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Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Seun(m): 11:44pm On Jul 23, 2016
Thanks for your responses. Can we talk more about the solutions?

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Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by BetaThings: 12:47am On Jul 24, 2016
Iran is the originator of suicide bombing - ISIS and co just copied the methodology
Everywhere Iran has a foothold, there is always a parallel government
Lebanon - Shia terror group Hezbollah is stronger than the Lebanese Army
Iraq - various militias loyal to Iran must be appeased in the power equation. No Iraqi leader can defy them
Yemen - Iran-backed Houthi rebels control the country
Syria - Iran is supplying soldiers from other shia countries esp hezbollah from Lebanon to help Basahr Assad

In Nigeria, when Zakzaky was attacked, he called Iran
The following day, Nigerian Ambassador to Iran was summoned to the Foreign Ministry in Tehran
The President of Iran called President Buhari to protest and demand compensation for the Shias

Officially Zakzaky is not an Iranian, so why should we have Iran threatening Nigeria over this matter
We know that Kaduna state government claims that where the Shias built their Husseiniyat was not lawfully acquired and was not given approval
To date the Shias in Nigeria has neither produced a C of O or building permit/approval for the place
When Nigerian Shias were accused of running a parallel government, they did not deny; they justified it by saying every Chief (eg a king) is a state within a state : a King can declare curfew
But they did not say that the King relies on the policefor security while Shias rely on their own security

My point - Shias constitute a clear and present danger -a group excellent at propaganda brought up on a diet of hate and determination for revenge with loyalty to a foreign government cannot be easily defeated
Any conflict with Iran will trigger terror attack on Nigeria, should the Iranians desire - Iran has nothing to lose
Iran does not allow protest in its own country - no militias, no protest, but they sponsor same all over the world
Why? Iran wants to export their revolution of 1979 to every part of the world with overall head being the supreme leader of Iran, currently Ayatollah Khamenei

What about BH and ISIS - these are not government funded. They can be cut off with hardwork
BH is not so powerful as we have seen and ISIS is losing ground - they both need to be powerfully fought and their supply chain will be cut

However there is a caveat - Young Muslims must not be given any reason to feel aggrieved
IPOB and NDA are justifying violence citing oppression and neglect
Blacks are shooting soldiers in the US
The more Christians continue to push back on rights due Muslims (eg Hijab) and scorn them at every turn, the easier it is for them to become radicalised - BH has only a limited number of soldiers, we should not unwittingly help them recruit more

BTW this same topic has been raised repeatedly by Muslims on NL but typically the people who delight in bashing Islam never allowed meaningful suggestion to emerge because without terrorism they would not be able to indulge in their favourite pastime


How did terrorism begin in the Islamic World - see videos of how the Shias started it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMAu2B2Rz20



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvRRzkkPdsw

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Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by DevotedOne(m): 3:28pm On Jul 24, 2016
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. Terrorism exists in the Muslim community because some who identify as Muslim, have multiple agendas affixed to their lives. Unity between the various religions, and sects is seemingly unworkable, due mainly to infiltration. Greed, is difficult to deal with in the world that we live in. When I was attending grade school, there was a difference between a want, and a need. That has been changed to the point that there is barely any difference between the two words.

Terrorism is being passed down from the worlds war making killers. These war manufacturing murderers, have come full circle and are now preparing to capture the global population, body and soul. They have their proxies in place; ISIS, al qaeda, etcetera, terrorizing the masses. However, the larger problem is from the NWO. It is believed that the New World Order, NWO, has a six thousand year history, and it is in a now, or never predicament. It is a stupid situation where only the wealthy will rule. Trillionaires, billionaires, and (maybe) millionaires only. Hence, the present need for all of the senseless terrorism.


Seun:
Thanks for your responses. Can we talk more about the solutions?

Does anyone know how to rid the world of the New World Order?



Wassalaam. DevotedOne
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by DevotedOne(m): 3:54pm On Jul 24, 2016
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. BetaThings, I believe you missed the post by Akinkunmi0777; see below.


Akinkunmi0777:
In the HISTORY of the world, who
has KILLED maximum
INNOCENT
human beings
1) "Hitler"
Do you know who he was He was a Christian, but media will
never call Christians terrorists.
2) "Joseph Stalin called as Uncle
Joe".
He has killed 20 million human
beings including 14.5 million were starved to death.
Was he a Muslim
3) "Mao Tse Tsung (China)"
He has killed 14 to 20 million
human beings.
Was he a Muslim 4) "Benito Mussolini (Italy)"
He has killed 400 thousand human
beings.
Was he a Muslim
5) "Ashoka" In Kalinga Battle
He has killed 100 thousand human beings.
Was he a Muslim
6) Embargo put by George Bush in
Iraq,
1/2 million children
has been killed in Iraq alone!!! Imagine these people are never
called terrorists by the media.
Why
Today the majority of the non-
muslims are afraid by hearing the
words "JIHAD". Jihad is an Arabic word which
comes from root Arabic word
"JAHADA" which means "TO
STRIVE" or "TO STRUGGLE"
against evil and for justice. It does
not mean killing innocents.
The difference is we stand against
evil, not with evil".
You still think that ISLAM is the
problem
1. The First World War, 17 million dead
(caused by non-Muslim).
2. The Second World War, 50-55
million dead (caused by non-
Muslim).
3. Nagasaki atomic bombs 200000 dead
(caused by non-Muslim).
4. The War in Vietnam, over 5
million dead (caused by non-
Muslim).
5. The War in Bosnia/Kosovo, over 5,00,000 dead (caused by non-
Muslim).
6. The War in Iraq (so far)
12,000,000 deaths
(caused by non-Muslim).
7. Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Burma etc (caused by non-
Muslim).
8. In Cambodia 1975-1979, almost
3 million deaths (caused by non-
Muslim).
"MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS
AND
TERRORISTS ARE NOT
MUSLIMS."
Please remove first double
standards on Killings. Please share as much as you
can.....



Wassalaam. DevotedOne.
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by quickly: 5:11pm On Jul 24, 2016
BetaThings:

Who are you defending?


He who knows not and knows that he knows not is a .........
What did America do in Iraq - use youtube and search - Palin says Iraq war is a mission from God
American soldiers killed Muslims in the name of Jesus - Use google and search Jesus killed Mohammed
KKK kills blacks, IRA was terror organisation, Kony killed was a terrorist - all these kill for Christianity
Child witches are burnt daily by Nigerian Christians in the name of religion
And our own Rev King?
They may not do it everyday but when Christians kill, they do so in large numbers because it is their countries that carry out the attacks
So you don't need rag-tag terrorists
American soldiers and drones can do in 7 days what ISIS has been doing for years
Christians play in the really big league when they want to kill - millions


Don't take the word of a child born yesterday
Do analysis - it does not hurt to read but I know that Africans have real fear of reading. But I assure you that there is no harm in it
A study has been done - the Bible is more violent than the Qur'an


Alarming by number but minuscule by number of casualties compared to what Christians have done and are gearing to further do


we can wait - try it if you have the facts



You mentioned masquerade. Did you not?
So did you do a census to seek opinion of the Hijabites? No. typical Nigerian. Pronouncing on things they know nothing about
Some of them don't know the Geography and people of Nigeria and they post authoritatively
One was calling Udoh and Effiong Igbo
Yes the nuns need to ponder over a life of celibacy. A child cannot do that. But the dressing is what you brought up. Please stick to the issue


You are always attempting to speak for everybody when in truth you are hardly qualified to speak for yourself
What is worse, you are not even aware of that deficiency


You are always tying yourself up in knots
Sad to be a Nigerian when you too claim to be one

This is just an example of what your guys did to spread Christianity and influence


http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/pizarro-executes-last-inca-emperor

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/07/20-injured-houses-razed-assemblies-god-factions-clash-kaduna/
20 injured, houses razed as Assemblies of God factions clash in Kaduna

You need to read about the Wars of Religion, The Gunpowder plot and similar stuff

my friend u are myopic when i say defending arabs. obviously u do not understand the big picture that islam is Arab imperialism to subvert other people culture.

For example a calabar man goes to saudi arabia and says every body must eat 404 and edikaikong, pray only in Efik, dance etighi and ban consumption of chicken. directly disobedience means u have offended God and death is the punishment.

That is cultural imperialism which the arabs do to africans every second.


And also all males must bear Efik names.

Now
2nd point

u guys always like to look at other ppl problems and ignore the one in ur backyard.

Boko HAram killing innocent civilians and soldiders all in the name of religion texts inspired from the quran doesnt concern u but u aim to look at america fighting in iraq.

How do u explain a group of nigerians killing inspired from texts contained in quran and this is happening every where.

America fighting iraq was based on terrority and authority rather than christainity. Iraq invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia was too scared and invited America to push iraq back after iraq disobeyed every other country. The second war was a continuation of the first war.

But u will be lying to urself if u think it was about religion.


From the way u are sounding u obviously cannot differentatite between between criminality from poverty and criminality from religious instructions.

When a religion orders u to kill others to terrorise them then u have to question if that is truly god.

Normally when ppl commit crime they say na devil but some ppl are now saying they are commit crime to please God.

Even though those ppl may sound mad and delusional are u not going to dig deeper into their claims.


Listen to this words by former president of islamic youth of palestine for more solutions

LIKE I SAID IF WORDS START TO PEPPER UR BODY THEN KNOW IT HAS UNADULTERATED CONCENTRATED TRUTH IN IT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOXQFkpueJk

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Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by quickly: 5:25pm On Jul 24, 2016
DevotedOne:
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. Terrorism exists in the Muslim community because some who identify as Muslim, have multiple agendas affixed to their lives. Unity between the various religions, and sects is seemingly unworkable, due mainly to infiltration. Greed, is difficult to deal with in the world that we live in. When I was attending grade school, there was a difference between a want, and a need. That has been changed to the point that there is barely any difference between the two words.

Terrorism is being passed down from the worlds war making killers. These war manufacturing murders, have come full circle and are now preparing to capture the global population, body and soul. They have their proxies in place; ISIS, al qaeda, etcetera, terrorizing the masses. However, the larger problem is from the NWO. It is believed that the New World Order, NWO, has a six thousand year history, and it is a now or never predicament. It is a stupid situation where only the wealthy will rule. Trillionaires, billionaires, and millionaires only. Hence, the present need for all of the terrorism.




Does anyone know how to rid the world of the New World Order?



Wassalaam. DevotedOne

NWO is a term coined by journalists. There is no such organisation persay

the real new world order is instant communication between people thousands or millions of miles apart.

Faster travel

Digital money
Space travel

Driverless cars

Mass murdering weapons

Drones

Watch the movie minority report for idea of nwo

The world keeps changing every second
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by DevotedOne(m): 8:48pm On Jul 24, 2016
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. America seems to be trying to be the leader in this race.


Watch the movie minority report for idea of nwo

NWO is a term coined by journalists. There is no such organisation persay

the real new world order is instant communication between people thousands or millions of miles apart. ~Quickly



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film) According to this discourse, Minority Report is a science fiction movie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osVIzSdxguA NWO:Communism by the backdoor - Part 18 ~ You might want to watch a few other parts, of this continuing series.



Wassalaam. DevotedOne
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by ShiaMuslim: 10:39pm On Jul 24, 2016
BetaThings:


Be devoted to the truth!

You have your own sectarian agenda in this matter

When did ISIS come into being?

Shias, backed by Iran, started suicide bombing in the Muslim countries
I challenge you to deny it

foolishness with a loud mouth does not make you sound smart. you are just stupid. the challenge given to you from years still stands.

PLEASE PRESENT JUST ONE, ONLY, NEWS SOURCE FROM MAINSTREAM MEDIA, WHERE IT WAS REPORTED THAT A SHIA USED SUICIDE BOMBING TO KILL SUNNIS OR CHRISTIANS IN FAITH-BASED KILLING (TAKFIRI KILLING). JUST ONE! YOU WILL NOT FIND ONE!!!

the instance you are referring to is not "suicide bombing". and "suicide bombing" HAS NEVER BEEN used by Shia to bomb others from other faith in Takfiri or faith-based killings. can you deny that?

WHAT YOU HAVE ALWAYS PUBLICIZED: the Shia of Lebanon used "martyrdom operation" to target superior military target occupying their land through force. not to attack mosques, and churches to kill others or innocent people or non-combantants for their difference in faith as WAHHABISM promotes. targeting superior military occupation target through "martyrdom operation" is also used by Palestinian Sunnis against superior Israeli occupation forces occupying their land to inflict maximum damage on legitimate military enemy target. this means has been backed even by Sunni scholars like Sheikh Ahmad Yaseen who was assassinated by Israel. again, fighting occupiers of your land is way DIFFERENT from indiscriminately targeting others on faith-based killings (Takifir killings) which is promoted by the Wahhabi hatred and extremist terror ideology. RESISTANCE TO OCCUPATION is NOT TERRORISM even if Israel calls it terrorism. it is human right for every people under occupation to fight for their liberation using whatever means. even the US constitution gives right to the people to carry arms to fight for their freedom. this has nothing to do with Iran or Shia exclusively. it is not the means used that matters, but the target and purpose. but obviously, sectarianism has eaten into your skull.

that is the only point i will clarify so you do not end up with your sectarian illogical arguments. otherwise, you will fail to realize that only WAHHABISM teaches faith-based killings, a belief totally ALIEN TO ISLAM, and Muslims, be they Shia or mainstream Sunni.

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Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by ShiaMuslim: 11:05pm On Jul 24, 2016
Seun:
Thanks for your responses. Can we talk more about the solutions?

for the solutions, the Egyptians who are Sunnis have led by example. Egypt banned the literature, i.e. books and fatwas, by Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul-Wahab, the propagators of Wahhabism. they banned all extremist Wahhabi/Salafist publications which are mostly centered on Takfiri killings and kill and kill and kill.

ban their literature. do not allow them to have madrassas and teach innocent kids to hate and kill kuffar and other Muslims they pass takfir on. save the children from extremism!!!

starve the Wahhabis of cash. that is the tough part which must be decided by their masters, the western powers if they really are serious about eliminating terrorism which is transported by the Wahhabi ideology as a vehicle. saudi arabia should be divided into three or four countries, and the Wahhabis who are concentrated in Najd be cut off and the oil resources belonging to non-Wahhabis (i.e. the Shia of the Hijaz) should return to the rightful owners. that would be the only way to cut the petro-dollars.

then there is the hajj factor. the pilgrimage to the holy land gets the Wahhabis lots of cash annd avenue to impose their ideology on other Muslims. Makkah and Medina should be placed in the control of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) and the two cities should have the status of the Vatican City as holy lands for ALL MUSLIMS irrespective of sect/denomination/ideology or whatever doctrinal differences.

The Shia have a centralized scholars system through the marjaiyyah. in Shia Islam, not everyone with a beard and a cap can pass a fatwa calling to jihad. only the handful of ayatollahs who have reached a certain level of acquired knowledge can do that. the Sunni scholars should have a similar licensed based system to give permission on who can pass fatwas, especially to fight. presently, any riff raff can and that is why everyday there is a new Sunni terror group. that should be controlled. control the flow of fatwas and you will control the adrenaline of Sunni youths. i am not saying any foreign body should imposed on Sunnis. there are competent Sunni bodies like AL-AZHAR in Egypt that can handle this well.

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Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by DevotedOne(m): 12:54am On Jul 28, 2016
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. The news media is claiming that IS, is expanding its reach with alarming speed. But it appears that Islamic groups are trying to grab some headlines IMHO. This IS, type thing just seems senseless to me.



The Islamic State’s Bangladesh Attack: To Contain Terrorism, Build Institutions




Wassalaam. DevotedOne
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by ilovetheline: 1:00pm On Jul 29, 2016
on our own land, I call on northerners to recognize the legal democratic military occupation of the South East Islam is trut
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by DevotedOne(m): 12:21pm On Jul 31, 2016
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. As America's boogeyman (Islam), fades into the past, we are confronted (supposedly), with another newer and (supposedly), far more threatening, boogeyman; Russia.



In 1961 President Eisenhower warned the American people of the threat posed by the military-security complex. That was 55 years ago. This complex is so strong today that it is able to divert massive taxpayer resources to its coffers while the living standard and economic prospects of the American people decline.

The military/security complex requires an enemy. When the Cold War ended, the “Muslim Threat” was created. This “threat” has now been superceded by the “Russian Threat,” which is much more useful in keeping Europe in line and in scaring people with prospective invasions and nuclear attacks that are far beyond the power and reach of jihadists.

Superpower America required a more dangerous enemy than a few lightly armed jihadists, so the “Russian threat” was created. To drive home the threat, Russia and her president are constantly demonized. The conclusion is unavoidable that the insouciant American people are being prepared for war.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/02/18/are-americans-too-insouciant-to-survive/?goal=0_c99f77aa38-afd30adf9e-425303765 Are Americans Too Insouciant To Survive

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/insouciant carefree or unconcerned; light-hearted


http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.



[Warning]There is expletive language used in Part 1, of the following series! Some sexy scenes in "Hollywood & Music Industry" parts, such as Part 4.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcEYa48yfzo&list=PLoLytQk_WG5IjRnx6ikufsX9unhiNaVMc NWO: Communism by the Backdoor Official Trailer



Wassalaam. DevotedOne

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Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Seun(m): 12:52pm On Jul 31, 2016
Would you support the idea of making the teaching of hatred and intolerance and violence illegal under Nigerian law regardless of the religion or sect of the teacher? And making it obligatory for those who witness such teachings to report them to the authorities?
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by ilovetheline: 8:43pm On Aug 01, 2016
Seun:
Would you support the idea of making the teaching of hatred and intolerance and violence illegal under Nigerian law regardless of the religion or sect of the teacher? And making it obligatory for those who witness such teachings to report them to the authorities?
call it what you will. such a law will be good for mixed nigeria. in Biafra we will live by truth. Islam is dangerous and stagnating[preaches a hand off approach to life ie: do nothing than fend food on earth]. teaches western progress is absolutely evil[ask around]. your suggestions is simply anti Igbo because it is a grounded belief of Igbos you are proposing to make illegal [if someone came up with a stupid religion like an eat dung religion, people have their rights to say it is wrong] Ps worthy of reply. but of course... overlook wisdom if u wish
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Nobody: 10:53pm On Jan 01, 2017
What personality? I address those who genuinely wants to seek knowledgebith offline and online but I don't cherish time wasters who are already set in their ways.It would be an illogical thing to do. We are talking about a personality who doesn't think twice about blocking those who asked others to ignore him without using any derogatory terms. Haven't you heard that ‘he who comes to equity must come with clean hands'. He is not ready to learn, if and when he is, we will teach him. He is merely using this to further justify his hatred against Islam. By the way he isn't the first atheist I know, I know quite a few on a personal basis who respect themselves and whom I don't bother my head about whether they hate Islam or not. To each his own, life is not that deep manundecided


And it is not a trend among your Muslim brothers and sisters online/offline. Perhaps you need to change the type of people you move with because I know a lot of Muslims who sees educating people like him as a form of jihad cum charity. Please stop generalising, it is unfair and rude to Muslims who take this seriously.

Take care.

Talk2bryant:

you didn't address the topic, you attacked the personality instead which has been a trend among our muslim brothers offline/online.

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