Shocking right? Maybe it is correct or wrong - but that is what I can make out from reading the blog post below.

Considering the fact that I don't like criticizing any language - but let's not forget that I grew up from microsoft vb6/asp/.NET background but i migrated to PHP/JAVA for some reasons, and this article below outlines some of those reasons and others very carefully - and that is why I don't have any single project in .NET except a few windows apps.

Read it here and share your views: https://blog.expensify.com/2011/03/25/ceo-friday-why-we-dont-hire-net-programmers/

Meanwhile, since I am not an active .NET programmer, let the real .NET programmers come and defend themselves.

Disclaimer: I did not write the article mind you, and I shall not claim responsible for any .NET programmer that commit suicide as a result of reading this post.

dhtml18:
Shocking right? Maybe it is correct or wrong - but that is what I can make out from reading the blog post below.

Considering the fact that I don't like criticizing any language - but let's not forget that I grew up from microsoft vb6/asp/.NET background but i migrated to PHP/JAVA for some reasons, and this article below outlines some of those reasons and others very carefully - and that is why I don't have any single project in .NET except a few windows apps.

Read it here and share your views: https://blog.expensify.com/2011/03/25/ceo-friday-why-we-dont-hire-net-programmers/

Meanwhile, since I am not an active .NET programmer, let the real .NET programmers come and defend themselves.

Disclaimer: I did not write the article mind you, and I shall not claim responsible for any .NET programmer that commit suicide as a result of reading this post.

Lol, this warning is really necessary

2O11, stale blog post! just keep wondering how oga dhtml reads irrelevant blog post!

^^that post might seem old, but the TRUTH of the matter still carries a STING. And you know what, most of my .NET programmers have migrated to PYTHON, JAVA and PHP, only ONE is still standing, but even he is developing cold feet.

Let the WAR continue. . . .this board is getting too damn boring.

KINGinVAHALA:

Lol, this warning is really necessary

How you take know, well, I am preparing for taking collateral damage all the same - because this kind of thread is very inflammatory - so i don wear my bullet-proof vest.

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if(WhatISayIsTrue)
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<h2>Then I am a great guy</h2>

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else
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Response.Redirect("http://Nairaland.net");
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dhtml18:

How you take know, well, I am preparing for taking collateral damage all the same - because this kind of thread is very inflammatory - so i don wear my bullet-proof vest.

Its good you planed ahead because we have seen these things before and the end always wasn't pleasant except of course, you had a vest on.

Would visit the site on your siggy later!

Take Parallel Processing with Thread-Local Variables for example, see the ease of doing so with C# .Net. now show how you would accomplish this in the other languages you claim to be better:

{
int[] nums = Enumerable.Range(0, 1000000).ToArray();
long total = 0;
int x = 0;

Stopwatch stopwatch = Stopwatch.StartNew();

Parallel.ForEach<int, long>(nums,
() => 0,
(j, loop, subtotal) =>
{
subtotal += j;
Interlocked.Increment(ref x);
Console.WriteLine(x);
return subtotal;
},

(finalResult) => Interlocked.Add(ref total, finalResult)
);

Console.WriteLine("The total from Parallel.ForEach is {0:N0}", total);

stopwatch.Stop();
Console.WriteLine("Time taken = {0}", stopwatch.Elapsed);
Console.ReadLine();
}

source: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd997393(v=vs.110).aspx

^^^yeah right, the end always ends in an e-death 99% of the times. But this is not an e-battle mind you, it is just a sort of challenge to see how the .NET people respond, we are interested in practicing .NET developers telling us how they manage to scale their applications.
Which reminds me, we use to have one Abidemi here, an expert .NET programmer of international standards, I wonder if he is still on this board. He is one of the best Nigerian programmers that I know (but he has taken his practice outside naija sha), and he specializes in .NET. He is very quiet on this board most of the time (and not a noise maker like some of us e-trolls here), but he has crossed boundaries in programming that I have not yet achieved, of course he has been practicing longer than myself (see my lame excuse).

^^^
Okay lets put our beloved languages to the test with Parallel Processing and Thread-Local Variables.

To each his own. If you like, say .net is the most useless and dead platform on earth. People would still be writing .net code till tomorrow

Febup:
Take Parallel Processing with Thread-Local Variables for example, see the ease of doing so with C# .Net. now show how you would accomplish this in the other languages you claim to be better:
{
int[] nums = Enumerable.Range(0, 1000000).ToArray();
long total = 0;
Parallel.ForEach<int, long>(nums,
() => 0,
(j, loop, subtotal) =>
{
subtotal = j;
return subtotal;
},

(finalResult) => Interlocked.Add(ref total, finalResult)
);

Console.WriteLine("The total from Parallel.ForEach is {0:N0}", total);
Console.ReadLine();

source: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd997393(v=vs.110).aspx

Well, this is a call-out to the various 'alleged' experts chest-thumping all over the board to come and show themselves.

I am just a pilgrim (or umpire) on this thread to be quite honest. . . . .

KINGinVAHALA:

Its good you planed ahead because we have seen these things before and the end always wasn't pleasant except of course, you had a vest on.
Would visit the site on your siggy later!

That is the demo version, the full version will soon come out

Updated:
This computation below using Parallel Processing with Thread-Local Variables took just 1 min 42 secs and see the ease of coding in C# .Net, now lets see how any other language you claim is better than .Net, is going to beat this record. .Net The Undisputed King Loading..................

{
int[] nums = Enumerable.Range(0, 1000000).ToArray();
long total = 0;
int x = 0;

Stopwatch stopwatch = Stopwatch.StartNew();

Parallel.ForEach<int, long>(nums,
() => 0,
(j, loop, subtotal) =>
{
subtotal += j;
Interlocked.Increment(ref x);
Console.WriteLine(x);
return subtotal;
},

(finalResult) => Interlocked.Add(ref total, finalResult)
);

Console.WriteLine("The total from Parallel.ForEach is {0:N0}", total);

stopwatch.Stop();
Console.WriteLine("Time taken = {0}", stopwatch.Elapsed);
Console.ReadLine();
}

gaddamnit, a .NET programmer taking over my thread? where are all those PHP 7 trolls to come to the rescue

Warning: failure of the PHP dudes, Python and other developers to allow this GREAT, MONUMENTAL INSULT (PLUS INGREDIENS) go just like that means only one thing - namely - .NET is King

Hmn, lets still wait for them to show up. Where is ehm Larisoft sef?

All my .NET knowledge is solely for unity3d games.

But Baba dhtml, why is it that no engines exist for your trending modern languages?

Till this point, I have not mentioned any trending language. Because I make use of so many languages, and see all of them as tools.
I use .NET as well for some projects. But come, what kind of engine are you talking about? Is it engines like EXPRESSION Engine, Eclipse Engine or Motorcycle Engine?

oga dhtml18 i saw the post and labelled it STALE, u know why? c# has greatly moved from what it was 2O11 till now, like your code up there, ur its asp.net web forms MS has no support for that anymore, we are talking of ASP.NET MVC 6, which is very similar to Golang in rendering html, ie no @html tags that generates heat, probably u will be running with raw sql or ORM, maybe ADO.NET meanwhile we talk of Nhibernate That has second level caching system or Entity Framework(manually implenting caching), then from what am seing u'll still pull database context, using ado.net mean while we use services(diff from api) ie Service Oriented Architecture, then writing it with vb.net meanwhile it c#, thats why i said its STALE

Multithreding in c#, which make do of asynchronous programming, with some keywords "Task<>" which works with "Run", which primarily tells c# continue other processes if the server overloaded while it waits for the server to be free ie kind of queue..
others Async", await

You guys don't understand something... If you let the rate at which frameworks, programming languages etc are hitting the software development arena move you too much, you'll be a Jack of all trade and master of none.
I know a big bros of mine that still code vb6 but believe me this person has developed huge softwares like academic results processing system etc..that most of you here can't even attempt with your "so called favourite tools".
Master whichever technology you choose to go with...

about the c# code, this is its equivalent in python (i guess) and its runtime is attached below:

import locale
locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '')
from datetime import datetime
from joblib import *

class Test(object):
def Main():
with Parallel(n_jobs=2) as parallel:
nums = range(0,1000000)
total = 0
x = 0
startTime = datetime.now()

for one in nums:
total += one
x=x+1
print x

print("The total from Parallel.ForEach is "+ str(locale.format("%d", total, grouping=True)))

print("Time taken = "+str(datetime.now() - startTime))
Main()
test = Test()

This thread is getting more interesting. My code above is ordinary asp and not aspx or mv anything.
I know a dude too who develops banking softwares for the past 10 yrs with vb 6. I learnt coding partially from him.

So this shows that .NET is not dead at all. But wait o, where are the pho dudes to come and write a multi threaded code here with posix, pthread, pnct or whatever.

Funny, php is one of the languages that suck when it comes to multi threading. Even the so called persistent database connection fails if you are using fcgi configuration. The libraries needed to run multi threading don't even come with php by default.

As far as multi threading is concerned, .net, Java, Python, node.js, and some few others will top that list.

even if we use pythread, it wont complete as fast as it did in python using 5 seconds.
This was why i shifted my base to python for this solution.
and to think .net used a min plus, what else was that processor doing?

Interesting. . . .

sleepingdemon:
about the c# code, this is its equivalent in python (i guess) and its runtime is attached below:

import locale
locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '')
from datetime import datetime
from joblib import *

class Test(object):
def Main():
with Parallel(n_jobs=2) as parallel:
nums = range(0,1000000)
total = 0
x = 0
startTime = datetime.now()

for one in nums:
total += one
x=x+1
print x

print("The total from Parallel.ForEach is "+ str(locale.format("%d", total, grouping=True)))

print("Time taken = "+str(datetime.now() - startTime))
Main()
test = Test()

The code I posted is incrementing x and printing x from 1 to 1,000,000 inside a Multi-Processing foreach loop as well as doing the same with the total variable and it is Thread Safe.

But your code is not using a for loop or foreach loop and there is no thread safety in your code.

dhtml18:
Interesting. . . .

err, to deviate a little, sent you a message on fb.

Febup:


The code I posted is incrementing x and printing x from 1 to 1,000,000 inside a Multi-Processing foreach loop as well as doing the same with the total variable and it is Thread Safe.

But your code is not using a for loop or foreach loop and there is no thread safety in your code.

it uses a for loop which is placed inside the parallel block
the parallel block starts from with Parallel(n_jobs=2) as parallel:, then inside it is the for loop i.e for one in nums.
the increment of x is done inside the for loop too i.e x=x+1. the total variable is also added in the for loop i.e total +=one.
i guess its because nairaland isnt code friendly and python dosent use curly braces you werent able to notice them

^^^

But how about this Phyton code below, it is using a for loop

>>> from math import sqrt
>>> from joblib import Parallel
>>> Parallel(n_jobs=1)((sqrt)(i**2) for i in range(10))

https://pythonhosted.org/joblib/generated/joblib.Parallel.html

Febup:
^^^

But how about this Phyton code below, it is using a for loop

>>> from math import sqrt
>>> from joblib import Parallel
>>> Parallel(n_jobs=1)((sqrt)(i**2) for i in range(10))

https://pythonhosted.org/joblib/generated/joblib.Parallel.html

i was also using a for loop.
only difference is they kept thier range of numbers directly in the loop, while i used a variable to hold my range. Then they were doing square roots and raised to power off together which wasnt part of what either you or i did.

(sqrt)(i**2) meant the value of the i should be raised to power 2, then the square root should be returned.
which wasnt part of our own scope

sleepingdemon:

err, to deviate a little, sent you a message on fb.

I am expecting your message, not seen it yet. Hope you are not the dude talking nonsense with me on Fb just now?

sleepingdemon:

i was also using a for loop.
only difference is they kept thier range of numbers directly in the loop, while i used a variable to hold my range. Then they were doing square roots and raised to power off together which wasnt part of what either you or i did.

(sqrt)(i**2) meant the value of the i should be raised to power 2, then the square root should be returned.
which wasnt part of our own scope

I only used that code sample to show for loop in Python.

But still your code does not show Thread Safety when updating a local variable outside a Multi-Threaded loop so I cannot compare yours with mine.

dhtml18:

Well, this is a call-out to the various 'alleged' experts chest-thumping all over the board to come and show themselves.

I am just a pilgrim (or umpire) on this thread to be quite honest. . . . .


That is the demo version, the full version will soon come out

That's OK, feel free to inform me when the full version is out, wouldnt mind supporting a fellow any little way I can.
Between, kindly check my signature, would be needing your vote bro, I'm the one contesting. Can I count on you?

With new dot net core ?

Dot net was never dead and will not die anytime soon.

Most arguments about limitations of dot net in 2011 are now as stale as the article you referred to here.

Nobody argues about programming language any longer.

A programmer's bias will simply be as a result of his or her understanding and exposure.

Febup:
Take Parallel Processing with Thread-Local Variables for example, see the ease of doing so with C# .Net. now show how you would accomplish this in the other languages you claim to be better:

{
int[] nums = Enumerable.Range(0, 1000000).ToArray();
long total = 0;
int x = 0;

Stopwatch stopwatch = Stopwatch.StartNew();

Parallel.ForEach<int, long>(nums,
() => 0,
(j, loop, subtotal) =>
{
subtotal += j;
Interlocked.Increment(ref x);
Console.WriteLine(x);
return subtotal;
},

(finalResult) => Interlocked.Add(ref total, finalResult)
);

Console.WriteLine("The total from Parallel.ForEach is {0:N0}", total);

stopwatch.Stop();
Console.WriteLine("Time taken = {0}", stopwatch.Elapsed);
Console.ReadLine();
}

source: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd997393(v=vs.110).aspx

Nice attempt.

The power of 'for parallel' in parallel processing can not be over stated

I have used it to reduce a task (not counting 1 -1 billion but a mission critical task) that takes 2 days to 6 hours and like u said, pretty easy to implement.

dhtml18:
^^that post might seem old, but the TRUTH of the matter still carries a STING. And you know what, most of my .NET programmers have migrated to PYTHON, JAVA and PHP, only ONE is still standing, but even he is developing cold feet.

Let the WAR continue. . . .this board is getting too damn boring.

Your Dot.Net programmers were just unlucky to be in an environment where their dot net skill is probably not appreciated or needed by people they look up to.

I can count over 9 friends that we have done over 10 years on .net together and they are 'balling'