naijadeyhia:



It shows you do not understand the chart. And again I repeat this thread is not holdinf brief for creationism but simply focused on evolution so if I do not mention God I don't think you should too

EVarn:
Well,I cant convince you of my views anyway.
PS: I have nothing against God,I'm a christian myself.

naijadeyhia:



Sorry to disappoint you. I think you need to read up on the origin of the evolution theory and how man was linked to have evolved from Apes.

Are you a scientist? A biologist?

Man is said to have a common ancestor in a single celled organism which over billions of years evolved into man through various other evolutionary processes one of which was from Ape to neanderthal to man.

naijadeyhia:



Man never mutated from any Ape like man because on a genetic level Mutation is destructive and detrimental to the DNA sequence and would result in a disadvantageous deformity so even that does not support evolution.

Niflheim:
@felixomor,

You pasted an image that is false, wrong, misleading and shows a lack of basic knowledge in Evolution!!!

Evolution can be modelled after a tree with many branches!!! Why you are modelling it after a straight line, baffles me!!!

Many people on Nairaland have pasted it before in the past, and were eventually corrected on why it should not be pasted since it does not even represent Evolution in the first place!!! Why are you still going back to paste it and then unbelievably asking us to come and defend it?

ValentineMary:

I am wondering how u got 2 likes for this. Maybe the people that liked it have no knowledge of evolution.
Humans did not come from apes for crying out loud. We have a common ancestor then we diverged to different ways 7 million years ago.

ValentineMary:


This is not true in any way. U are clearly ignorant on evolution and genetics

Niflheim:
@felixomor

Remember one time when @Cloudgoddess chastised the OP for going to get Evolution material at a creationist website? This is what you are also guilty of doing!!! If you want a proper chart, you can easily google it!!! I honestly cannot do your own work for you!!!

@Felixomor, I am not a prophet, but one thing I can assure you is this!!! Any christian who comes to a debate on Evolution, with material that he got from a creationist website, WILL BE RESOUNSINGLY DISGRACED AND DEFEATED!!!......eg. I am searching for ants with human heads.

@felixomor, one more thing...........Did you make a "claim" that Eskimos are not Evolving? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Just because the Eskimos did not evolve in the exact way you were expecting it to happen, does that mean that it did not happen?!!!

MY INTERPRETATION OF YOUR POSTULATION ABOUT THE ESKIMOS:..............................."Why did Evolution give the polar bear webbed feet?!!! Couldn't Evolution have given the polar bear a fish tail?!!!"

naijadeyhia:



Let me humour you with this your direction of reasoning.
You say we have a common Ancestor right? What is the DNA composition of this common Ancestor? Can you show me so I can compare that with the Apes DNA and mans DNA since evolution actually occurs on a cellular level and those cells are composed of DNA.

ValentineMary:

Following SNP (single nucleotide polymorphism) we can deduce how far ago we divereged in the evolutionary tree. The closest to humans are the Neanderthals and Homo Nadalis which have 99.7% similarity with human DNA. But apes have 95% similarity.

naijadeyhia:


It is true that the majority of mutations fall into the categories of either nearly neutral or harmful. Silent (neutral) mutations alter the DNA sequence but do not alter the amino acids encoded by the DNA sequence. This is due to built-in redundancy in the code (also referred to as degeneracy). For example, CCC, CCT, CCA, and CCG in the DNA all code for the amino acid glycine. In a hypothetical DNA sequence that has the sequence CCC if the last base is changed to any of the remaining DNA bases (T, A, or G), it will still code for the amino acid glycine. (However, there is some evidence that indicates that even these changes may not be completely neutral and may alter the stability of the mRNA, which serves as the intermediate between DNA and proteins).

What this means is that mutation cannot alter DNA and even when it tries to do that it is detrimental to the organism as 100 out of 100 times something would go wrong with it. So in general mutation is harmful and destructive.

Thus, one mutation on a DNA will result in the human being blind (no eyes), deaf, albino, deficient immune systems, have no teeth, etc

U can't just pick one example and say mutation is wrong. Eg in the mutation of the heamoglobin a mutation can replace glycin with valin which leads tosickle cell but is also helpful in fighting against malaria. But as natural selection occurs, the adverse reactions of sickle cell would be removed as a result of need for survival. Also mutation could aid in boosting immune system. Also mutation aids micro organisms to be immune to drugs or why do u think we can't cure HIV they constantly mutate their gene thus it is advantageous to the viral cells.

ValentineMary:

U can't just pick one example and say mutation is wrong. Eg in the mutation of the heamoglobin a mutation can replace glycin with valin which leads tosickle cell but is also helpful in fighting against malaria. But as natural selection occurs, the adverse reactions of sickle cell would be removed as a result of need for survival. Also mutation could aid in boosting immune system. Also mutation aids micro organisms to be immune to drugs or why do u think we can't cure HIV they constantly mutate their gene thus it is advantageous to the viral cells.

naijadeyhia:



Ok so proof of mans evolution is found in Neanderthals ans Homo Nadalis right?

Ok can you show me the DNA coding of this Neanderthal and this Homo Nadalis if science has any. Why are we always being pointed to Apes for this DNA coding similarity but never to the Neanderthals or Homo Nadalis. Care to tell me why?

Note that Lucy is one of such and even that fossil has been debunked. So show me Lucy the Australopithecus's DNA.

Niflheim:
@felixomor

Remember one time when @Cloudgoddess chastised the OP for going to get Evolution material at a creationist website? This is what you are also guilty of doing!!! If you want a proper chart, you can easily google it!!! I honestly cannot do your own work for you!!!

@Felixomor, I am not a prophet, but one thing I can assure you is this!!! Any christian who comes to a debate on Evolution, with material that he got from a creationist website, WILL BE RESOUNSINGLY DISGRACED AND DEFEATED!!!......eg. I am searching for ants with human heads.

@felixomor, one more thing...........Did you make a "claim" that Eskimos are not Evolving? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Just because the Eskimos did not evolve in the exact way you were expecting it to happen, does that mean that it did not happen?!!!

MY INTERPRETATION OF YOUR POSTULATION ABOUT THE ESKIMOS:..............................."Why did Evolution give the polar bear webbed feet?!!! Couldn't Evolution have given the polar bear a fish tail?!!!"

naijadeyhia:



So besides adaptability has this mutation become a new organism or altered the DNA sequence so as to become a different organism or does the organism still remain itself but just with an adaptability advantage yet losing out on one of its functions?

Regarding HIV its this mutation ability that weakened it to the extent that we were able to engineer anti retroviral drugs specifically for it.

It lost something to gain something. Thats what I mean by mutation being detrimental to the organism.

ValentineMary:

Drop those ancient journals u are reading and pick recent stuffs. Of course we have gotten their DNA and analysed it. When I mentioned SNP, u ought to have known that.

ValentineMary:

These are examples of micro evolution. which over time would sum up to become macro evolution. Like Johnny said once it is like saying drops of water can come bit by bit into a bucket but can't fill it up no matter how long. Of course it can but u have to wait and observe. To observe a macro evolution u haveto wait a century or two.

What the retro viral druf does is that itinhibites the reverse transcriptase enzyme from forming DNA from RNA. it has nothing to do with evolution. It was a drug designed as a result of the normal mechanism of action.

naijadeyhia:


I ignored your SNP comment because its redundant. You need to upgrade.
STR DNA fingerprinting has replaced it.

SNP still talks about mutation and adaptability. So that is irrelevant to this discussion.

ValentineMary:

These are examples of micro evolution. which over time would sum up to become macro evolution. Like Johnny said once it is like saying drops of water can come bit by bit into a bucket but can't fill it up no matter how long. Of course it can but u have to wait and observe. To observe a macro evolution u haveto wait a century or two.

What the retro viral druf does is that itinhibites the reverse transcriptase enzyme from forming DNA from RNA. it has nothing to do with evolution. It was a drug designed as a result of the normal mechanism of action.

naijadeyhia:



Such as mutation. Or is mutation no longer normal to the HIV virus?

ValentineMary:

Do u know what SNP means (pls ans honestly)? In cases where we can't get the finger print DNA of extinct organism what do we do?? we take their DNA from any other source.

What SNP means is simply comparing the 2 DNA sequence and is not about mutation.

ValentineMary:

You have to understand gene conservation. Certain genes are conserved in organisms as "makers". The reverse transcriptase is an enzyme in all DNA viral cells. It is the inborn mechanism when I say mutation I don't mean the mechanism of transcription. Though translation might be affected but the gene for transcriptase and capsids are conserved.

naijadeyhia:



Micro evolution still goes back to DNA and we have already tackled how this cannot be possible on a DNA level.

Ltet me use this illustration to give you an example of what evolution talks about on DNA level.

They say life began from NO LIFE but we know that DNA isnt alive....its just chemicals so how can life begin from those chemicals?

If this were true and we have knowledge of these chemicals why not begin life by mixinf these chemicals in a lab? They cannot because its not possible.

Its like gathering everything you need to build a house with and putting all on the ground. The nails, blocks, roofing sheets, paint, tiles etc and then tying a hammer to a dogs tail and release the dog on the site hoping that as the dog runs around on the site it will somehow be able to lay the blocks, mix the sand and cement, pour the water in at just the right mixture, climb up and fix the roof to the house, put in the nails in all the right places and then tile and paint.

Now ask yourself this, under what probability can that happen?

1 in 6 billion attempts or never?

naijadeyhia:



And do they alter the organism physically?

Note that I am following your thought train. So do they alter the organism physically?

If u were a biologist u would know what inhibits means. Of course they. That's why the drug slows down the formation of aids but does not destroy the viral cells because of the mutation probably in the 3D confirmation of the reverse transcriptase. Why do u think they constantly modify these drugs

naijadeyhia:



What other source pls? Pls share! You do not know what DNA fingerprinting is do you?

ValentineMary:

That's not true as mutations in the DNA continue, it could lead to change in morphology as a result of certain proteins no longer being coded or new proteins coded



It has been proven that if these "chemicals" were randomly assembled into a nucleotide, they would constantly mutate. And is that not why we see constant mutation in viral cells which are d simplest organisms

ValentineMary:

If u were a biologist u would know what inhibits means. Of course they. That's why the drug slows down the formation of aids but does not destroy the viral cells because of the mutation probably in the 3D confirmation of the reverse transcriptase. Why do u think they constantly modify these drugs

ValentineMary:

Ever heard of fossils? and I know what DNAfinger priniting is man. [/i]