ainaabbey:
Science doesn't claim to be omnipotent and all perfect, It makes researches to get objective results that are testable. It is open to critical analysis by not just one but great scientist around the world. So far, Scientific theories are still the best to go by for any rationale human... Even the stupidity of science is more profitable than religion

ainaabbey:
My question to you, saying Evolution is wrong, then what theory is right by you... or better still what theory is better than that of science(Evolution)?

naijadeyhia:


Read my responses on this thread again. My proof is there and you are free to disprove it.

One of the strongest points for evolution was the discovery of Lucy but even that has been proven wrong.

Lucy had absolutely no DNA records just bone features and even these features disqualified her.

DNA addition can only occur artificially and not randomly. Read it up.
Mutations cannot add genes. Mutations can only give bad effects.

A frameshift mutation, an alteration in the normal reading frame of a gene, results if the number of inserted nucleotides is not divisible by three, i.e., the number of nucleotides per codon. Frameshift mutations will alter all the amino acids encoded by the gene following the mutation. Usually, insertions and the subsequent frameshift mutation will cause the active translation of the gene to encounter a premature stop codon, resulting in an end to translation and the production of a truncated protein.

Transcripts carrying the frameshift mutation may also be degraded through Nonsense-mediated decay during translation, thus not resulting in any protein product. If translated, the truncated proteins frequently are unable to function properly or at all and can possibly result in any number of genetic disorders depending on the gene in which the insertion occurs. Methods to detect DNA sequencing errors were developed.

In-frame insertions occur when the reading frame is not altered as a result of the insertion; the number of inserted nucleotides is divisible by three. The reading frame remains intact after the insertion and translation will most likely run to completion if the inserted nucleotides do not code for a stop codon. However, because of the inserted nucleotides, the finished protein will contain, depending on the size of the insertion, multiple new amino acids that may affect the function of the protein

Teempakguy:
this turned out to be a bold faced lie.

It turns out the majority of mutations are neutral and even the ones that are harmful are usually just the ones that are harmful in that specific environment but would beneficial in other places.

Even little things such as breeding and adaptation are impossible without mutations.

And if mutations can't add genes, explain how gene duplication, a scientifically observed phenomenon, is possible.

naijadeyhia:



How were they observed? In chaotic nature or in a precisely ordered lab experiment?

naijadeyhia:


Thank you for confirming that mutation leaves the virus vulnerable. As it adapts it loses another value so it has to keep mutating to stay alive but each time it mutates it still loses another value. So weakens in another area. Eventually it will expose how it can be killed without even knowing it.

Follow my drift?

naijadeyhia:



Matthias Meyer of Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, carried out the latest DNA research this year 2016 on the oldest neanderthal fossil DNA and in his own words he said, " this was the most wasteful genome sequencing project because the DNA was degraded and contaminated".

So where did you say your Neanderthal DNA proof came from again?

naijadeyhia:



You say it has been proven randomly or in a lab? Evolution is about order coming from Chaos and there has been no order from Chaos in any lab. What we have is convenient mixtures of what we already know ro give a desired assessment or result.

2nd law of thermodynamics speaks for itself.

Let us assume I can get ammonia, hydrogen, water, and CO2 and mix it under high temperature, we have amino acid. So much for order not coming from chaos

Of course these nucleotides can be manipulated and re produced in the lab and randomly arranged. Ever heard of XNA (xeno nucleic acid)? u can google it out. The first artificial nucleotide.

The 2nd law of thermodynamics. Hmmm I guess mountain formation and rock formation does not also follow these laws else how can there be arrangment in a universe disintegrating simple. Just like the case of rock formation energy is being input.

naijadeyhia:


Thank you for confirming that mutation leaves the virus vulnerable. As it adapts it loses another value so it has to keep mutating to stay alive but each time it mutates it still loses another value. So weakens in another area. Eventually it will expose how it can be killed without even knowing it.

Follow my drift?

ValentineMary:

Pls can u provide link from a reliable site on what u just said

DNA from the bones of a
Neanderthal baby who died 29,000 years ago
offers further evidence that Neanderthals are
cousins rather than ancestors of modern
humans.
Writing in Thursday’s issue of the journal Nature ,
William Goodwin of the University of Glasgow in
Scotland, along with collaborators from Russia
and Sweden, report that the baby’s DNA is
much more similar to another Neanderthal DNA
sequence reported in 1997 than to that of
modern humans.

cogweb.ucla.edu/Abstracts/Goodwin_00.html

ValentineMary:


Let us assume I can get ammonia, hydrogen, water, and CO2 and mix it under high temperature, we have amino acid. So much for order not coming from chaos

Of course these nucleotides can be manipulated and re produced in the lab and randomly arranged. Ever heard of XNA (xeno nucleic acid)? u can google it out. The first artificial nucleotide.

The 2nd law of thermodynamics. Hmmm I guess mountain formation and rock formation does not also follow these laws else how can there be arrangment in a universe disintegrating simple. Just like the case of rock formation energy is being input.

naijadeyhia:



His sample is a 430,000 year old fossil as against your 29,000 year old fossil. So whixh should be more relevant and accurate?

http://www.nature.com/news/oldest-ancient-human-dna-details-dawn-of-neanderthals-1.19557

naijadeyhia:



So you want to say DNA was created by chance? Do you even know what you are saying?

How can chance and chaotic randomness create something that super computers have not been able to decipher? Something that even all science still find baffling?

Do you know how statistically improbable it is?

So one day ammonia, co2, water and the right amount of energy was just conveniently available and when they merged they formed the right kind of DNA which then doctored life? When the amino acid itself has no life in it?

If you say the key ingredient is the energy, at what strenght? Surely science wold have genetically engineered a baby from that and cloning would be the new Robot.

How many animals have been reanimated using this high temperature theory?

ValentineMary:


This is what the link says:

ValentineMary:


That's how amazing nature can be. At least my statement about the proof of the randomness of DNA has been proven.


That's why it took about a billion years to happen.



Amino acid don't form DNA bro. They form protein which is essential to life



At the early stage of earth, the earth was very hot thus these was the energy source also they (cells) mostly survived at hydrothermal vent because of the supply of minerals. And certain organisms like hyperthermophile can survive these hot conditions. The field of evolutionary biology is still young so wait till we get the info in details then u would see ur baby.

naijadeyhia:



The billions of years time frame being declared around by science is the issue. Will you alive to witness another evolutionary process? Absolutely not!

Was anyone around to witness rhe first evolutionary process? Absolutely not as well.

Even science declares that evolution "probably happened" as the very theory has been declared as inconclusive by science and scientists.

So let me apply the same probability here;

Calculations on the probability of life forming by chance do take into account the possibility of multiple events, put the probability for the formation of the most basic of cells by natural processes at (at best) 1 in 1040,000 — that’s a number one with 40,000 zeros after it! Even this assumes all the ingredients are present, which is impossible! Now, if every atom in the universe were an experiment repeated every millisecond for the 15 billion years age of the universe commonly claimed by evolutionists, how does that affect the probability? It is now about 1 in 103900. So, when such improbable events are being discussed, the number of conceivable experiments has little effect on the matter. It is usually agreed that something with odds of less than 1 in 1050 will never happen. In other words, the origin of life without an intelligent designer is as impossible as it is impossible to be!

Also, there are no actual experiments to show that non-living matter can overcome the many chemical hurdles to form a self-reproducing cell That’s why no-one has claimed the $1.35 Million (USD) Origin-of-Life Prize.

We don't need to be there 3 billion years earlier. The traces are there for us to observe.

Another mistake we very often make is the God of the gaps. Because we don't know now, we never will thus God did it. That's the height of slot in science. 500 years ago we did not know that bacteria caused infection. We could have easily said demons caused infection. but the problem is that we might never know what bacteris is because we filled our ignorance with demons.

Fom ur analogy because we don't know how all bio molecules are formed even though we know how some like amino acid (having in mind that earth was highly densed with ammonia, methane, CO2, and hydrogen at it's initial stage) are formed, we call God to fill our ignorance.

Have u asked urself why the most abundant elements in the universe is also the most abundant in living things

naijadeyhia:


And what does that tell u?

ValentineMary:


We don't need to be there 3 billion years earlier. The traces are there for us to observe.

Another mistake we very often make is the God of the gaps. Because we don't know now, we never will thus God did it. That's the height of slot in science. 500 years ago we did not know that bacteria caused infection. We could have easily said demons caused infection. but the problem is that we might never know what bacteris is because we filled our ignorance with demons.

Fom ur analogy because we don't know how all bio molecules are formed even though we know how some like amino acid (having in mind that earth was highly densed with ammonia, methane, CO2, and hydrogen at it's initial stage) are formed, we call God to fill our ignorance.

Have u asked urself why the most abundant elements in the universe is also the most abundant in living things

ValentineMary:


We don't need to be there 3 billion years earlier. The traces are there for us to observe.

Another mistake we very often make is the God of the gaps. Because we don't know now, we never will thus God did it. That's the height of slot in science. 500 years ago we did not know that bacteria caused infection. We could have easily said demons caused infection. but the problem is that we might never know what bacteris is because we filled our ignorance with demons.

Fom ur analogy because we don't know how all bio molecules are formed even though we know how some like amino acid (having in mind that earth was highly densed with ammonia, methane, CO2, and hydrogen at it's initial stage) are formed, we call God to fill our ignorance.

Have u asked urself why the most abundant elements in the universe is also the most abundant in living things

naijadeyhia:



You do realise that evolution is mostly preconceived ideas and not all real data.

According to evolution life began from a single celled organism and the entire process tleading to us happened over billions of years. They say we began from bacteria.

The entire surface of the earth is covered by bacteria and we say life is still evolving yet we cannot stroll outside and scrape off bacteria from the ground to see it in a different stage of evolution naturally.

Billions of years of evolution yet we have no specie or bacteria becoming a different bacteria as something inbetween the evolutionary process as science expects us to believe that everything evolved at the same time at the same pace and under the same conditions so we cannot see any inbetween evolutionary process today because of the Billions of years process it takes.

Evolution theory is a bonafide con job and its working for you. Cheers!

naijadeyhia:



You do realise that evolution is mostly preconceived ideas and not all real data.

According to evolution life began from a single celled organism and the entire process tleading to us happened over billions of years. They say we began from bacteria.

The entire surface of the earth is covered by bacteria and we say life is still evolving yet we cannot stroll outside and scrape off bacteria from the ground to see it in a different stage of evolution naturally.

Billions of years of evolution yet we have no specie or bacteria becoming a different bacteria as something inbetween the evolutionary process as science expects us to believe that everything evolved at the same time at the same pace and under the same conditions so we cannot see any inbetween evolutionary process today because of the Billions of years process it takes.

Who said bacteria are the first organisms bacteria are far too complex na. Ever heard of prokaryotic cells? Study the Linn theory on how eukaryotic cells like bacteria evolved from prokaryotic cells. And yes scientist have made cells . Be current in ur search for knowledge. And actually we have seen smaller evolving eg plasmodium falciparium has evolved it's DNA thus it no longer produce the enzyme for the prev cell wall. Thats why penicilin can't be used against malaria again. Instead it evolved producing a new cell wall.

Evolution theory is a bonafide con job and its working for you. Cheers!

naijadeyhia:


I never mentioned God. You did! I started this thread by saying this is not about Creationism and even as a theist I have refrained from bringing God into this convo but you an Atheist couldnt help it could you?

See ur life who first called intelligent designer? read it up. And u would know who first brought God into this discussion.

ValentineMary:


See ur life who first called intelligent designer? read it up. And u would know who first brought God into this discussion.

felixomor:
This is just one of the areas where the dirty secrets of life abounds.

Science is so much asscociated with pride that many people over the years, would do anything to protect their image whenever their theories were proved wrong.

Evolution is one of those areas of science.

Thanks for shedding light on the genetic basis of the discrepancies. There are even so many more asides at the genetic level.
For example the eskimos who have been living in the artic regions in subzeros have not grown thick fur like animals to protect them from cold. If evolution was true, by now those people would be like hairy beasts and by now their DNA would have been different from ours.

Asides that, it is even admitted by evolutionists that evolution has stopped and nobody knows the reason why it has stopped. Yeah right.

Thanks for the post jare. It only confirms the extent some people can go to back up their pride.

raphieMontella:

u do not wear clothes ryt?..u walk arnd the streets nak*d like a two year old ryt?
U have no idea of what evolution is...ffrm the pic u posted...clearly..u dnt have an idea of it...

ValentineMary:


See ur life who first called intelligent designer? read it up. And u would know who first brought God into this discussion.

ValentineMary:


See ur life who first called intelligent designer? read it up. And u would know who first brought God into this discussion.

naijadeyhia:



So to you intelligent designer translates to God?. Why did yu single out God as what I meant by intelligent designer? Why not Sango or Buddha or Krishna why God? Quit being mischievous. .....you know why you chose God. Let me just ignore you for now.

ValentineMary:

See what I mean. When I say God the average xtian means I am taking specifically of their God. But u forgot Sango, Krishna, etc are also called God.

And Oh Buddha was not a God and he never claimed to be.

raphieMontella:

u do not wear clothes ryt?..u walk arnd the streets nak*d like a two year old ryt?
U have no idea of what evolution is...ffrm the pic u posted...clearly..u dnt have an idea of it...

naijadeyhia:



You that knows all about evolution explain it to him na. Lol
Suddenly clothes are also part of the big bang evolution theory.

Smh