The most frightening part of it all is that after the long and not surprisingly "half-chewed/partially digested" post, he still continues to prove us right when we insist that he does not even understand Evolution!!!

1.If Charles Darwin influenced Hitler, then why was his book(Origin of Species), banned in Nazi Germany?

2.Why do you keep insisting that you need to tell us that humans did not come from Apes? WE ALREADY KNOW THAT!!! INFACT, WE WERE THE FIRST ONES TO TELL YOU THAT, ONLY FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND CLAIM THAT YOU WANT TO DEBUNK SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER EVER WRITTEN IN THE ORIGINAL THEORY TO BEGIN WITH?!!!

3.There are billions of lines of evidence for Evolution in bacteria, insects, arachnids, fishes, birds, mammals and reptiles, but you claim that you can debunk millions of exhibits in a court, by presenting just 2 cases of fossils and a ? That is an extraordinary leap of faith into nothingness!!! I have never seen such aimless somersaulting in a debate before!!! How does the piltdown hoax disprove Evolution in fruit bats?!!!

4. How can a human being see polar bears with "webber feet" and grizzly bears with separated toes, and still claim he is searching for Evidence? Only a man who never understood Evolution in the first place will say that!!!

Niflheim:
The most frightening part of it all is that after the long and not surprisingly "half-chewed/partially digested" post, he still continues to prove us right when we insist that he does not even understand Evolution!!!

1.If Charles Darwin influenced Hitler, then why was his book(Origin of Species), banned in Nazi Germany?

2.Why do you keep insisting that you need to tell us that humans did not come from Apes? WE ALREADY KNOW THAT!!! INFACT, WE WERE THE FIRST ONES TO TELL YOU THAT, ONLY FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND CLAIM THAT YOU WANT TO DEBUNK SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER EVER WRITTEN IN THE ORIGINAL THEORY TO BEGIN WITH?!!!

3.There are billions of lines of evidence for Evolution in bacteria, insects, arachnids, fishes, birds, mammals and reptiles, but you claim that you can debunk millions of exhibits in a court, by presenting just 2 cases of fossils and a ? That is an extraordinary leap of faith into nothingness!!! I have never seen such aimless somersaulting in a debate before!!! How does the piltdown hoax disprove Evolution in fruit bats?!!!

4. How can a human being see polar bears with "webber feet" and grizzly bears with separated toes, and still claim he is searching for Evidence? Only a man who never understood Evolution in the first place will say that!!!

Ok let me ask you directly. We have seen men with 36 teeth as against 32.

We have seen siamese twins joined at the head or arm.

We have seen people with 12 fingers or 12 toes as against 10.

Why are these regarded as defects and not evolution?

You mentioned webbed footed bears and split toe grizzlys why are those animals regarded only as evolving but mans is called a deformity or a birth defect?


Afterall the law of natural selection teaches that the weaker dies off so naturally 36 teeth is better than 32 and 12 toes or fingers is better than 10 so why not call it evolution. Why a defect?

The male Dyak fruit bats can lactate(produce milk), yet other male fruit bats in the area cannot!!! And these same male lactating bats will continue to produce male kids who also lactate!!! But the other specie of fruit bat whose males do not lactate, will continue to produde male kids who do not lactate!!! DON'T THEY ALL SHARE A COMMON ANCESTOR?!!! TOMORROW YOU WILL SAY THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ANT WITH HUMAN HEAD!!!

naijadeyhia:



I see no relationship except on a genetic level which has been discovered not to be a 98% similarity but actually a 95% similarity when comparing their DNA.

Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes while chimpanzees have 24. Evolutionary scientists believe that one of the human chromosomes has been formed through the fusion of two small chromosomes in the chimp instead of an intrinsic difference resulting from a separate creation.

At the end of each chromosome is a string of repeating DNA sequences called a telomere. Chimpanzees and other apes have about 23 kilobases (a kilobase is 1,000 base pairs of DNA) of repeats. Humans are unique among primates with much shorter telomeres only 10 kilobases long.

While 18 pairs of chromosomes are ‘virtually identical’, chromosomes 4, 9 and 12 show evidence of being ‘remodeled.’5 In other words, the genes and markers on these chromosomes are not in the same order in the human and chimpanzee. Instead of ‘being remodeled’ as the evolutionists suggest, these could, logically, also be intrinsic differences because of a separate creation.

The Y chromosome in particular is of a different size and has many markers that do not line up between the human and chimpanzee.

why should any chromosomes be similar in the first place?

Why should anything line up between chimps and humans?

Teempakguy:
why should any chromosomes be similar in the first place?

Why should anything line up between chimps and humans?

You are supposed to tell me why and not ask me why.

If Apes and man share an Ancestor then Genetically this should be able to be traced but on Chromosome level it is impossible for this to happen as the differences are way too much and gene addition cannot even occur in the first place.

Teempakguy:
why should any chromosomes be similar in the first place?

Why should anything line up between chimps and humans?

Let me also ask you this.

Are Apes still evolving? Is man still evolving? Are other creatures still evolving?

Has evolution stopped? The evolved creatures we have today are they the perfection of evolution?

naijadeyhia:



You are supposed to tell me why and not ask me why.

If Apes and man share an Ancestor then Genetically this should be able to be traced but on Chromosome level it is impossible for this to happen as the differences are way too much and gene addition cannot even occur in the first place.

but there ARE similarities. Aren't there? You don't expect humans and apes to be completely similar, do you?

So what is so shocking here?

Teempakguy:
but there ARE similarities. Aren't there? You don't expect humans and apes to be completely similar, do you?

So what is so shocking here?

Considering that evolution supports that changes occur on a DNA level then physical similarities are false if such links cannot be proven or shown to be evolutionarily possible on a DNA level

naijadeyhia:



Let me also ask you this.

Are Apes still evolving? Is man still evolving? Are other creatures still evolving?

Has evolution stopped? The evolved creatures we have today are they the perfection of evolution?

yes, evolution is still in motion. But you have to realize that the rate of evolution differs from time to time for different species. For example, crocodiles and jelly fish haven't changed much since the time of the dinosaurs. But several distinct breeds of dog have emerged in just about a ten thousand years.

What determines this? Natural or artificial selection.

Teempakguy:
yes, evolution is still in motion. But you have to realize that the rate of evolution differs from time to time for different species. For example, crocodiles and jelly fish haven't changed much since the time of the dinosaurs. But several distinct breeds of dog have emerged in just about a ten thousand years.

What determines this? Natural or artificial selection.

Question: at what level does evolution occur?

This is just one of the areas where the dirty secrets of life abounds.

Science is so much asscociated with pride that many people over the years, would do anything to protect their image whenever their theories were proved wrong.

Evolution is one of those areas of science.

Thanks for shedding light on the genetic basis of the discrepancies. There are even so many more asides at the genetic level.
For example the eskimos who have been living in the artic regions in subzeros have not grown thick fur like animals to protect them from cold. If evolution was true, by now those people would be like hairy beasts and by now their DNA would have been different from ours.

Asides that, it is even admitted by evolutionists that evolution has stopped and nobody knows the reason why it has stopped. Yeah right.

Thanks for the post jare. It only confirms the extent some people can go to back up their pride.

naijadeyhia:



Considering that evolution supports that changes occur on a DNA level then physical similarities are false if such links cannot be proven or shown to be evolutionarily possible on a DNA level

and you have shown that it cannot be proven? Please point to where you did that.

felixomor:
This is just one of the areas where the dirty secrets of life abounds.

Science is so much asscociated with pride that many people over the years, would do anything to protect their image whenever their theories were proved wrong.

Evolution is one of those areas of science.

Thanks for shedding light on the genetic basis of the discrepancies. There are even so many more asides at the genetic level.
For example the eskimos who have been living in the artic regions in subzeros have not grown thick fur like animals to protect them from cold. If evolution was true, by now those people would be like hairy beasts and by now their DNA would have been different from ours.

Asides that, it is even admitted by evolutionists that evolution has stopped and nobody knows the reason why it has stopped. Yeah right.

Thanks for the post jare. It only confirms the extent some people can go to back up their pride.

Thats the whole irony of it. All of a sudden they claim evolution has stopped just like that.
Yet they claimed billions of years of evolution which nobody witnessed as nobody was alive ro document it but in just under 300 yrs they discovered evolution theory and it also stopped within the samd 300yrs after discovery. How quaint!

naijadeyhia:



Question: at what level does evolution occur?

i don't understand the question. By level, do you mean when, or where?

felixomor:
This is just one of the areas where the dirty secrets of life abounds.

Science is so much asscociated with pride that many people over the years, would do anything to protect their image whenever their theories were proved wrong.

Evolution is one of those areas of science.

Thanks for shedding light on the genetic basis of the discrepancies. There are even so many more asides at the genetic level.
For example the eskimos who have been living in the artic regions in subzeros have not grown thick fur like animals to protect them from cold. If evolution was true, by now those people would be like hairy beasts and by now their DNA would have been different from ours.

Asides that, it is even admitted by evolutionists that evolution has stopped and nobody knows the reason why it has stopped. Yeah right.

Thanks for the post jare. It only confirms the extent some people can go to back up their pride.

I'm sorry, what scientist has said evolution has stopped?

@Op,man did not come from modern apes.That is a mis-interpretation of Darwin's evolution theory.
Man actually mutated for about 8 million years from an original "APE-LIKE" species in south-eastern Africa called australopiticus africanus.Intermittent periods of evolution and perhaps mutation occured to transform the original creature,according to its specific adaptation,through a series of changes(homo habilis to homo erectus to homo sapiens).

Teempakguy:
and you have shown that it cannot be proven? Please point to where you did that.

Read my responses on this thread again. My proof is there and you are free to disprove it.

One of the strongest points for evolution was the discovery of Lucy but even that has been proven wrong.

Lucy had absolutely no DNA records just bone features and even these features disqualified her.

DNA addition can only occur artificially and not randomly. Read it up.
Mutations cannot add genes. Mutations can only give bad effects.

A frameshift mutation, an alteration in the normal reading frame of a gene, results if the number of inserted nucleotides is not divisible by three, i.e., the number of nucleotides per codon. Frameshift mutations will alter all the amino acids encoded by the gene following the mutation. Usually, insertions and the subsequent frameshift mutation will cause the active translation of the gene to encounter a premature stop codon, resulting in an end to translation and the production of a truncated protein.

Transcripts carrying the frameshift mutation may also be degraded through Nonsense-mediated decay during translation, thus not resulting in any protein product. If translated, the truncated proteins frequently are unable to function properly or at all and can possibly result in any number of genetic disorders depending on the gene in which the insertion occurs. Methods to detect DNA sequencing errors were developed.

In-frame insertions occur when the reading frame is not altered as a result of the insertion; the number of inserted nucleotides is divisible by three. The reading frame remains intact after the insertion and translation will most likely run to completion if the inserted nucleotides do not code for a stop codon. However, because of the inserted nucleotides, the finished protein will contain, depending on the size of the insertion, multiple new amino acids that may affect the function of the protein

EVarn:
@Op,man did not come from modern apes.That is a mis-interpretation of Darwin's evolution theory.
Man actually mutated for about 8 million years from an original "APE-LIKE" species in south-eastern Africa called australopiticus africanus.Intermittent periods of evolution and perhaps mutation occured to transform the original creature,according to its specific adaptation,through a series of changes(homo habilis to homo erectus to homo sapiens).

Man never mutated from any Ape like man because on a genetic level Mutation is destructive and detrimental to the DNA sequence and would result in a disadvantageous deformity so even that does not support evolution.

Teempakguy:
i don't understand the question. By level, do you mean when, or where?

I mean where does the evolutionary process take place?

naijadeyhia:



Considering that evolution supports that changes occur on a DNA level then physical similarities are false if such links cannot be proven or shown to be evolutionarily possible on a DNA level

A base pair IS NOT two amino acids joined together,a base pair means two nitrogenous bases joined together e.g Adenine bonds with Thymine with a double hydrogen bond,this makes the a BASE PAIR.
Furthermore,not all nitrogenous bases have double ring,pyrimidines like Cytosine,Thymine and Uracil(in RNA) are single ringd compounds,therefore,it would be prudent for you to revise your initial permutation of 150 000 000 base pairs.

naijadeyhia:



Man never mutated from any Ape like man because on a genetic level Mutation is destructive and detrimental to the DNA sequence and would result in a disadvantageous deformity so even that does not support evolution.

My God!,not all mutations are disadvantageous deformities,the type of mutation you are talking about is caused by radiation interferring with DNA sequence to alter or insert disjointed amino acid chains.
Evolutionary Mutation is a sudden departure from parental hereditary traits by an offspring due to a change in the sequence of pyrimidine bases in the DNA.
Mutation is actually one of the pillars of evolution.

naijadeyhia:



Thats the whole irony of it. All of a sudden they claim evolution has stopped just like that.
Yet they claimed billions of years of evolution which nobody witnessed as nobody was alive ro document it but in just under 300 yrs they discovered evolution theory and it also stopped within the samd 300yrs after discovery. How quaint!

Man has evolved intellectually within the last 300 years,and I think it is very obvious as we can now fly planes,launch space shuttles and manipulate electro-magnetic frequency to broadcast live audios and videos all over the globe simultaneously.
Genetic evolution does not take place on such a large scale within just 300 years.

EVarn:
Man has evolved intellectually within the last 300 years,and I think it is very obvious as we can now fly planes,launch space shuttles and manipulate electro-magnetic frequency to broadcast live audios and videos all over the globe simultaneously.
Genetic evolution does not take place on such a large scale within just 300 years.

I am talking about discovery and not actual evolution occuring over 300yrs. Read what I wrote again

EVarn:
A base pair IS NOT two amino acids joined together,a base pair means two nitrogenous bases joined together e.g Adenine bonds with Thymine with a double hydrogen bond,this makes the a BASE PAIR.
Furthermore,not all nitrogenous bases have double ring,pyrimidines like Cytosine,Thymine and Uracil(in RNA) are single ringd compounds,therefore,it would be prudent for you to revise your initial permutation of 150 000 000 base pairs.

I don't think you have any idea how the genetic code works. What are the codes for amino acids ?

naijadeyhia:



I see no relationship except on a genetic level which has been discovered not to be a 98% similarity but actually a 95% similarity when comparing their DNA.

Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes while chimpanzees have 24. Evolutionary scientists believe that one of the human chromosomes has been formed through the fusion of two small chromosomes in the chimp instead of an intrinsic difference resulting from a separate creation.

At the end of each chromosome is a string of repeating DNA sequences called a telomere. Chimpanzees and other apes have about 23 kilobases (a kilobase is 1,000 base pairs of DNA) of repeats. Humans are unique among primates with much shorter telomeres only 10 kilobases long.

While 18 pairs of chromosomes are ‘virtually identical’, chromosomes 4, 9 and 12 show evidence of being ‘remodeled.’5 In other words, the genes and markers on these chromosomes are not in the same order in the human and chimpanzee. Instead of ‘being remodeled’ as the evolutionists suggest, these could, logically, also be intrinsic differences because of a separate creation.

The Y chromosome in particular is of a different size and has many markers that do not line up between the human and chimpanzee.

i remember once telling u that the dna similarity is 95 %...which of course u said i was lying and stuck wit ur 98 percent..
And if u think ape like equates apes...dunno iffa shud start a kndergarten foundation for u...m sure i told u before..presently evolution is incomplete..ive proved current evidences of evolution to u..if u dnt understand a concept,take ur time and learn it..
P.s

EVarn:
Man has evolved intellectually within the last 300 years.

"Evolved" here is rather ambiguous . Do you mean biological evolution , or simply that man grew in knowledge ?

From the latter , I can say babies evolve intellectually too - you know from baby → toddler → child → teen → adult . You dig ?

naijadeyhia:



I don't think you have any idea how the genetic code works. What are the codes for amino acids ?

No sir,I think I said it before that i'm a student of microbiology and virology,so I know exactly how a DNA nucleotide and amino acid works down to the most elementary level.
An amino acid has an amino group on one side(N-terminal) and a carboxylic group on the other side(C-terminal),separated by a middle side chain which is variable.The side chain of any particular amino acid determines its structure,interraction with water and interraction with other amino acids.Amino acids are joined together with loss of water(dehydration synthesis) to form polypeptide chains.
There are different types of amino acid: alanine,valine,diamino pimelic acid,etc..

KingEbukaNaija:


"Evolved" here is rather ambiguous . Do you mean biological evolution , or simply that man grew in knowledge ?

Its the same thing,evolution itself occured when human precursors "grew in basic chordate characteristics" to transform into a superior and more enlightened species.
Biological evolution is a factor in minute quantity; that is why newer generation of human offsprings seem to mature more intelligently at increasingly younger ages than their predecessors.

Anatomical evolution,on the other hand,is basically at its end because the current human species has fulfilled all chordate adaptative requirements and we dont need to anatomically evolve anymore.

EVarn:
No sir,I think I said it before that i'm a student of microbiology and virology,so I know exactly how a DNA nucleotide and amino acid works down to the most elementary level.
An amino acid has an amino group on one side(N-terminal) and a carboxylic group on the other side(C-terminal),separated by a middle side chain which is variable.The side chain of any particular amino acid determines its structure,interraction with water and interraction with other amino acids.Amino acids are joined together with loss of water(dehydration synthesis) to form polypeptide chains.
There are different types of amino acid: alanine,valine,diamino pimelic acid,etc..

You are displaying text book school lessons (theory).

Let me help you out with the codon chart. If you can interpret it then you would understand.

EVarn:
Its the same thing,evolution itself occured when human precursors "grew in basic chordate characteristics" to transform into a superior and more enlightened species.
Biological evolution is a factor in minute quantity; that is why newer generation of human offsprings seem to mature more intelligently at increasingly younger ages than their predecessors.

Anatomical evolution,on the other hand,is basically at its end because the current human species has fulfilled all chordate adaptative requirements and we dont need to anatomically evolve anymore.

The theory of Evolution violates two laws of science. The Second Law of Thermodynamics (law of increasing entropy) says that things which start out concentrated together spread out over time. If you heat one room in a house, then open the door to that room, eventually the temperature in the whole house evens out (reaches equilibrium). Knowing how far this evening-out has progressed at any point in time tells you the entropy. Entropy can measure the loss of a system's ability to do work. Entropy is also a measure of disorder, and that is where evolution theory hits an impenetrable wall. Natural processes proceed in only one direction, toward equilibrium and disorder. Things fall apart over time, they do not get more organized. We can overcome this by making a machine and adding energy, but the Second Law prevents such a machine from assembling spontaneously from raw materials.

The Law of Biogenesis was established by Louis Pasteur three years after Darwin's book was published, and simply says that life only comes from life. Living cells divide to make new cells, and fertilized eggs and seeds develop into animals and plants, but chemicals never fall together and life appears. Evolutionists often call certain chemicals "the building blocks of life", giving people the false impression that you just stack the building blocks together and you get life. No one has ever done that, including the famous 1953 Miller/Urey experiment where all they got were clumps of amino acids. Many people mistakenly think scientists have made life from chemicals in the lab, but they have not (though many have tried very hard). If one were to succeed, you would know about it. He would get every science award there is, be all over the news, and have movies, books, buildings, statues, and schools dedicated to him, so desperate are evolutionists on this matter. For something to be a law of science, it can never be found to have been violated, even once, over thousands of trials. No exceptions. A theory that violates two laws of science is in big trouble.

When confronted with the Second Law of Thermodynamics, evolutionists usually use two tricks to try to escape. The first is to state that "it only applies to closed systems, and biological creatures are open systems, so it doesn't affect evolution" (they actually intend to say isolated, not closed, but we know what they mean). The fact is that the Second Law applies to all systems, open or closed, and to all actions and chemical reactions, from molecules to galaxies. The words "except for..." are not in this universal law. A thermodynamics system is simply any part of the universe we want to study. If we are doing an experiment in a bottle, the inside of the bottle is our system and the bottle itself is the "walls" of the system. There are only 3 kinds of systems: if no energy or matter can pass through the walls, it is an isolated system; if energy can pass through but matter cannot, it is a closed system; if both energy and matter can pass through the walls, it is an open system.

Now, it is true that the laws of thermodynamics and entropy are defined in terms of isolated systems, because that is the simplest way to express them. However, experts who write textbooks on the subject are quick to say that isolated systems do not occur in nature. For practical applications, a procedure called the Legendre Transform mathematically converts entropy to a variable called Gibbs free energy that is useful for working with real-world systems. Most natural systems are open, but it is convenient to model them as closed. For example, even though a bacterium is an open system, modeling it as a closed system makes it easier to understand chemical reactions in it.

You are an open system. You eat food (which comes from outside yourself) and your body survives and grows. Evolutionists believe that all we need is an open system with sufficient energy flowing into it for evolution to succeed. If that were so, you could just stand right behind a jet engine as the aircraft prepares for takeoff, absorb that blast of energy, and evolve to a higher life form. In reality, of course, you would be incinerated because absorbing energy without a mechanism to convert it to a useful form and employ it is destructive or useless. The mechanism must be very specific. Sticking food in your ear will not work; it must go into your mouth and through the digestive system. And the mechanism must be in place and functioning first, before energy is added, or the energy is wasted. The "closed system" ploy is just an attempt to avoid dealing with the Second Law because the Law prohibits any functioning biological mechanism from falling together by pure chance, without assistance or plan, using only the properties of matter.

The second trick they use is to say that "when you freeze water, the disordered molecules become beautifully ordered ice crystals or snowflakes. If water can bypass the Second Law and organize its molecules by a natural process, why not the chemicals of life?" At room temperature, water molecules are bouncing off each other and you have water. When you take away heat and they freeze, water molecules stick to each other with weak molecular bonds, forming ice crystals and snowflakes because of the shape of the H2O molecule. The same thing happens if you put a bunch of weak magnets in a jar and shake it. The magnets bounce around. When you stop, the magnets stick together. They are at a lower energy level. There is order, yet no complexity - just a simple repetitive structure that does not do anything. The Second Law is not bypassed or violated.

But guess what. Amino acid molecules that form proteins, and nucleotide molecules that form DNA and RNA resist combining at any temperature. To combine, they need the help of mechanisms in a living cell or a biochemist in an organic chemistry laboratory. It means that nothing happens in the primeval soup, the pond of chemicals where evolutionists believe life began.

DNA is made of only right-handed versions of nucleotides, while proteins are made of only left-handed versions of amino acids. Yet any random chemical reaction that produced nucleotides or amino acids would make an equal mix of left and right-handed versions of each. Even if the thousands of nucleotides needed to form a DNA molecule, or the hundreds of amino acids needed to form a protein molecule were able to combine from the mix, they would be a jumble of left and right-handed versions that could not function at all. This is the problem of "chirality", and evolutionists have never been able to solve it.

naijadeyhia:



You are displaying text book school lessons (theory).

Let me help you out with the codon chart. If you can interpret it then you would understand.

And you are displaying what?,knowledge from God?
A codon is NOT an "amino acid",it is a sequence of 61 amino groups and 3 stop signals that helps to harmonize and translate 4 DNA nucleotides and 20 amino acids into informational proteins.
Please dont just bandy around figures and chart to confuse the public.

EVarn:
And you are displaying what?,knowledge from God?
A codon is NOT an "amino acid",it is a sequence of 61 amino groups and 3 stop signals that helps to harmonize and translate 4 DNA nucleotides and 20 amino acids into informational proteins.
Please dont just bandy around figures and chart to confuse the public.

It shows you do not understand the chart. And again I repeat this thread is not holdinf brief for creationism but simply focused on evolution so if I do not mention God I don't think you should too