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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Weah96: 1:10pm On Aug 27, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: That's not a clarification. So sinners are Christians or not? Can you or can you not keep telling lies or committing murder while repeatedly seeking forgiveness after every offense? Choose your words carefully. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 11:41am On Aug 28, 2016 |
Kay17:smh |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:55pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
Kay17: You evaded my question dear . |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 10:41pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I dutifully answered all your questions even when they were directionless. Before we can begin to endlessly argue about the existence of God, it's best we lay the foundation. And answer the question who is God |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:57pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
Weah96: Just hold on . |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:08pm On Aug 29, 2016 |
Kay17: You didn't answer this question KingEbukasBlog: You are trying to evade this question . And a creator here means a supernatural being who is conscious, intelligent , powerful - see it from deism's perspective . |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 7:34am On Aug 30, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: My atheistic stance was well thought on my part. I considered the efficacy of faith and challenged its limits. The Gods most theists presented were metaphysical distant for a credible claim. Also I am aware of the limits of human reason, yet natural causes should enjoy a higher priority over supernatural causes. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:19am On Aug 30, 2016 |
Kay17: My acceptance of God's existence was well thought out on my part I considered the efficacy of faith and challenged its limits. Faith has no limits so I'm not sure what you challenged . The Gods most theists presented were metaphysical distant for a credible claim. Why do you have a problem with that ? Also I am aware of the limits of human reason, yet natural causes should enjoy a higher priority over supernatural causes. But supernatural causes gave rise to natural causes . Are you okay with the definition of God I gave ? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 3:50pm On Aug 30, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Where is the definition of God you provided? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:06pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
Kay17: Before I show you , give it a try , who do you think God is ? I want to know what comes to your mind when religious people say "God" |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 10:13am On Sep 01, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: To me, God is a special appellation granted to beings without an earthly origin. In other words it is an otherworldly being. My proof for this reasoning is all the Gods described by the various cultures in the world. The common thread amongst them all is that they are otherworldly. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:29pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Kay17: There are cultures that see animals , trees , even stones as gods . Ok lemme be clear , when I say God , what comes to your mind ? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 9:51pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Most cultures believe that the animation behind animals the trees and stones is what deserves worship. There is always that otherworldly element in Gods. For example most people think pagans worship idols but they worship the spirit through the idols qua representations of the spirit. So whenever God is mentioned i think an otherworldly concept |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:01pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Kay17: Good observation . God is an eternal supernatural being , the ultimate One , the source of all things that exist . God is the creator of the universe . So what's the problem here ? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 10:07pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: That's if you ignore the other Gods that people genuinely believe in. And besides there has to be a common thread binding all these Gods and its not their ultimate unity or unchanging eternity |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:18pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Kay17: See it from deism's perspective , what do you think ? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 10:28pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Why should the deist's narrow perspective be exclusive? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:33pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Kay17: Because they see the observation of nature and reason as sufficient evidence for the existence of a single creator . If I should try to deal with the religious concept of God , it might lead to presenting a convoluted argument for God's existence . |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 10:36pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: But being a creator doesn't make one a God. For example human inventors are not regarded as Gods despite their creations. Similarly Yahweh is not God because he is a Creator but because he is from outside the Universe |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:39pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Kay17: Since God made nature/universe , then he exists outside it . He couldn't have been in the universe and still be called its creator . |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 10:46pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Do you agree with me that it's Yahweh's otherworldly attribute makes him a God? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:55pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Kay17: Nope . Angels share the same attribute and they are not gods . |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 11:17pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Which is correct. So the question who is a God remains |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:23pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Kay17: No dear , the question should be who is a deity because God is a Supreme Being - its one person . You dig ? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 11:39pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: But Hindus say Krishna is a God |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:44pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Kay17: I tried to avoid discussing the religious concepts of God but you dragged me into it . Now what am I supposed say Let's go with deism's perspective , so the arguments will be perspicuous . Please |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 7:07am On Sep 02, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Do you remember the story or parable of the five blind men who wanted to know what an elephant was? If you remember the parable, you would see God as the elephant and the blind men are the various religious and deist perspectives. So before any proof can be made, a concrete definition of God must emerge 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:47pm On Sep 02, 2016 |
Kay17: There is no complete disagreement . God is seen as the Supreme Being by everyone , just that the deists reject religious concepts about Him - they see him as a non-interventionist . 1 Like |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 3:06pm On Sep 02, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I thought if pagans and Buddhists are regarded amongst those that consider God to mean a Supreme Being. Also God is a disguised term for Yahweh. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:32pm On Sep 02, 2016 |
Kay17: We are digressing dear . You asked for a definition for God , I gave you a generally accepted one . Let's stay on track so progress can be made. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 8:18pm On Sep 02, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: But the definition was clearly not adequate. We have to agree on who and who the term God can cover. I strongly believe pagans have Gods whom are allocated accordingly to a hierarchy therefore not all are supreme nor creators |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:52pm On Sep 02, 2016 |
Kay17: God is a supreme being , gods are the lesser ones - they are the ones who have ranks and control some aspects of nature . There is no such thing as "Gods" , its called gods . There is only one Supreme Being , God . |
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