greetings:
Errr! Truthfully, It was on a second thought that I decided to drop a comment on this thread.... you asked me to share my personal reasons and I have.

I honestly don't want to dwell into comparisms and the likes.....

gensteejay:
I liked the author's approach in his book. I have no concerns, none whatsoever. Islamic teachings are always practical, commonsensical.

About the so-called contradictions and errors in the Qur'an, I know a number of those websites mainly sponsored by Jews. Their claims are entirely bogus; they interpreted some verses out of context and the ones they claim are contradictory merely abrogate each other. This is a normal practice in Islam. Certain Hadiths of the prophet would reveal their lack of understanding in interpreting Qur'anic verses. They are only spreading lies and fallacies.

when a Christian says demons bow to the power of Jesus, they are not really doing that. Rather they are fearful of Jesus because he was a great prophet of God. .

The aforementioned Mr. Adegunwa's book presents a good treatise on this issue. He stated several verses in the Bible that clearly talks about the five pillars of Islam, namely belief in oneness of Allah and in the prophetood of Muhammad (peace be on him); sallah; zakat; etc.

balash:
Yes, the Prophet was a Man,
Yes, all men make mistakes and he made human mistakes too BUT these mistakes are just his day to day human mistakes and have nothing to do with what's divinely revealed.

Seun:
I think I understand. You mean he didn't make mistakes with the Qu'ran, but some of his actions which Allah did not command him to do could have been wrong. Not intentionally, but by mistake. I'd really like to know which 3 actions you would pick as the Prophet's top 3 mistakes.

Seun:

Would you trust a book comparing Islam and Christianity that was written by Pastor Adeboye, whose teachings are also practical and clear?


How would you convince a skeptic, who sees abrogation as simply a system for managing the contradictions in the Qur'an, that it's not so?

Interesting!


Can you share the bible verses that talk about the prophethood of Muhammad, and Hajj? I'm extremely interested because it's news to me!

balash:
Yes, the Prophet was a Man,
Yes, all men make mistakes and he made human mistakes too BUT these mistakes are just his day to day human mistakes and have nothing to do with what's divinely revealed.

balash:



First you need to know that mistakes doesn't necessarily mean sin or wrongdoing.

What we are referring to as mistake isn't a sin or a reprehensible wrong, Allah has protected his Prophets from such.

Bringing it closer to us,
If you are fasting and you unintentionally ate something, that's a mistake but it's not a sin.

That's exactly what the errors of the Prophets were.


All of the Prophets of Allah don't commit sins, they have been protected from such.

In some cases mistakes could be sinful, but that's not the way it is for the Prophets.

Seun:

Apologies for not asking the right question. What I'm trying to find out is whether you'd agree with the proposition that it's possible for the holy books of religions that are not from Allah, such as the Christian bible, to vibrate through the readers' marrow the way the Qur'an vibrates through your marrow. And whether you'd agree with the proposition that religions that are not from Allah, such as Christianity, Buddhism, and Mormonism, can gladden the heart of their followers and give them strength in difficult situations in the same way that Islam does for you.

If your answer is yes, I'd like to know what this means for your faith. If the experiences that make you believe Islam is true can be found outside Islam, how can you be sure that Islam is true? If your answer is no, I'd like to know what assures you that your experience is unique.

AlBaqir:


Even @underlined, Nabi never make such. That is gafla - forgetfulness. And it is usually caused by loss of concentration, hopelessness, shaytan etc.

Listen to what shaytan says:
He said: My Lord! because Thou hast made life evil to me, I will certainly make (evil) fair-seeming to them on earth, and I will certainly cause them all to deviate

Except Thy servants from among them, the devoted ones

He said: This is a right way with Me:

Surely. as regards My servants, you have no authority, over them except those who follow you of the deviators. {Surah Hijr: 39-42}

# Shaytan has no way whatsoever near the Prophet. Unfortunately, you will see some crazy so-called ahadith which indicate for example that shaytan came to disturb and confuse the Prophet in his prayers whereas he used to run away from Umar ibn al-Khattab. Such ahadith are discarded by this strong infallible evidence of the Quran.

balash:


This is so wrong? Why would you describe an hadith as 'Crazy' that's unislamic my brother, this thread author is a Christian and their so trust is based on the fact that we Muslims get all our beliefs and guidance from the holy qur'an it's so wrong for me quoting hadith to him, I needed to quote something he can actually surf the Internet and get the same meanings so I can at least be crisp in reasoning and dealings

In as much as the Prophet is a noble man we can't say as human he won't forget somethings as human naturally, we don't need to describe the Prophet like immortal human to christians, it's more appropriate to say he is Noble and would never sin against Allah and his beliefs not saying he can't merely say, Oh I forgot my toothbrush, that's cool not like he forget to pray and we be like it's a mistake that can't happen to the Prophet but he surely would forget things as human normally even if there ain't no written evidence based on such but as human, he is bound to forget things in a split secs

balash:


This is so wrong? Why would you describe an hadith as 'Crazy' that's unislamic my brother, this thread author is a Christian and their so trust is based on the fact that we Muslims get all our beliefs and guidance from the holy qur'an it's so wrong for me quoting hadith to him, I needed to quote something he can actually surf the Internet and get the same meanings so I can at least be crisp in reasoning and dealings

balash:


In as much as the Prophet is a noble man we can't say as human he won't forget somethings as human naturally, we don't need to describe the Prophet like immortal human to christians, it's more appropriate to say he is Noble and would never sin against Allah and his beliefs not saying he can't merely say, Oh I forgot my toothbrush, that's cool not like he forget to pray and we be like it's a mistake that can't happen to the Prophet but he surely would forget things as human normally even if there ain't no written evidence based on such but as human, he is bound to forget things in a split secs

AlBaqir:


# Any lies attributed to the holy Prophet can easily be exposed by the holy Quran. I tag those lies as "crazy". Quran says Shaitan can never ever sway or near the devoted ones. A lie called hadith says Shaitan once disturbed the salat of the Prophet to the extent of getting physical, and other times Shaitan used to be present with the Prophet whereas another lie called hadith says Shaitan can never even stand Umar's voice let alone his person. Why won't I refer to such lies as crazy? A true hadith from the Prophet is hadith Nabi!

# Why are you shy quoting authentic ahadih to butress Quranic argument? You might be doing more harm than good faah. The fact that the author of this thread is a Christian does not mean you cannot quote ahadith of the Prophet. This is Islam forum.

Ahadith are even more surf on the internet. It seems to me you are scared to get battered by some "crazy lies" called hadith, about the Prophet.



# To forget something in a blip is not issue here, brother. We talk about mistakes and sins in all matters - Religious, social, moral etc.

# Nabi salallahu alayhi wa Ahli's perfection and infallibility is nothing other than perfection of faith. Quran verse of purification testified to Nabi and his household's absolute purification from whatever you can ever think of.

AlBaqir:


# Any lies attributed to the holy Prophet can easily be exposed by the holy Quran. I tag those lies as "crazy". Quran says Shaitan can never ever sway or near the devoted ones. A lie called hadith says Shaitan once disturbed the salat of the Prophet to the extent of getting physical, and other times Shaitan used to be present with the Prophet whereas another lie called hadith says Shaitan can never even stand Umar's voice let alone his person. Why won't I refer to such lies as crazy? A true hadith from the Prophet is hadith Nabi!

# Why are you shy quoting authentic ahadih to butress Quranic argument? You might be doing more harm than good faah. The fact that the author of this thread is a Christian does not mean you cannot quote ahadith of the Prophet. This is Islam forum.

Ahadith are even more surf on the internet. It seems to me you are scared to get battered by some "crazy lies" called hadith, about the Prophet.



# To forget something in a blip is not issue here, brother. We talk about mistakes and sins in all matters - Religious, social, moral etc.

# Nabi salallahu alayhi wa Ahli's perfection and infallibility is nothing other than perfection of faith. Quran verse of purification testified to Nabi and his household's absolute purification from whatever you can ever think of.

daretodiffer:
This thread was going on smoothly into you started your nonsense again. This is not about you and in case you have forgotten, most Muslims in this thread will never agree to what you have to say. Stop trolling !

AlBaqir:


# Will you be kind enough to spell out my nonsense?!

# Do I ever claim or pose as if this thread is about me?!

So many accusations from you guys. Courtesy demands that you discuss or argue with wisdom, good manners and sound exhortations. A christian opened this thread obviously with a motive not known to anybody. You can only guess. However when I see errors in some replies from my brethren (which the Christian author will definitely use against you), then I find it right to correct. You or anyone do not need to embrace my opinion(s), even if it is dished out from Quran or sahih hadith. "There is no force in deen, for truth stands out clear from error"

# For the record, Albaqir doesn't seek audience or followership as you people do which make you tensed up when other opinions different from yours are stated. People are not stupid to analyse various views.

gensteejay:

You are right. There are haadith that talk about few mistakes of the noble prophet while observing prayers and how Allah revealed steps to correct them. This is what brought about the concept of prostration of forgetfulness in Islam.

gensteejay:


To butress my point, the prophet stated "I am a human being and forget like you forget. If I forget, remind me."

gensteejay:


So the prophet was not perfect that he wouldn't forget, but was of excellent character. He never made mistakes that a typical man makes for he was always divinely guided by Allah through Angel Gabriel.

gensteejay:


Allah, in his Infinite Wisdom, never sent an angel as a prophet to teach humans his laws; He always sent a man so that the followers of such a prophet will be guided gradually and practically.

gensteejay:


We, as followers of prophet Muhammad, learn from the weaknesses that Allah permitted in him and the means of correcting them. Through our noble prophet, we know the prayers to recite when in times of fear, of hunger, of sickness, of afflictions by evil jinns and sorcery.

gensteejay:


An example: when a wicked Jew gave the prophet a poisoned food causing him to fall sick and forget things strangely. To cut this story short, Allah revealed two surahs (chapters) which are Falaq and Nas to cancel all the effects of sihr (black magic) on him.

From that happening, we Muslims know the power of those Quranic verses and several others against witchcraft and black magic.

gensteejay:


The Qur'an and prophet's Sunnah were never affected by the human nature of the prophet as regards making mistakes and forgetfullness. During his lifetime, Allah used to revise the revealed parts of the Qur'an for prophet Muhammad through angel Gabriel. This occurred during Ramadhan. So the Holy Qur'an, just like Islam, is a perfect book of Allah.
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daretodiffer:
Who doesnt know S.eun's motives? I have been watching how they are trying so hard to impress the op. Na their business

daretodiffer:

The ‘errors' are errors to you and your cohorts and but not to the majority of Muslim (Sunni Muslims) Nigeria and on Nairaland. It is either you keep your superior knowledge to yourself or quote the op directly, Let the other guy be please?
.

AlBaqir:


So, how is that my business that you are expressing your frustrations at me?



# Majority? Sunni?! Majority in what? Aqeedah or fiqh?

Observe: My comments so far on this thread is centered around the personality of the Prophet. Mistakes, sins and inequalities are ascribed to him. This is what I reject. My presentations are not ambiguous or hidden from view. And I have never begged or force anybody to accept my view. So, again I am baffled how different opinion continue to trouble your spirit. You can only keep my mouth shut by counter my submissions.

# "Superior knowledge"? Where does that come from? Sister, hatred, anger, envy torn up peaceful heart and turn senses to insensible. Do you think Islam section of Nairaland is meant for you "the Majority?" You "the majority" can easily open a blog where only your Aqeedah will be preached. This is an open blog!

Kindly avoid mentioning Albaqir if you have nothing better to say.

Seun:

Your stories about how Prophet Muhammed reacted to the death of his children, and how he was nice to the guy who threw broken bottles unto his road, are inspiring. I can see how one would want to follow the religion of a man with such strength and maturity. One thing I've noticed about the muslim view of the Prophet Muhammed is that, while you respect him as the last Prophet, you recognize that he is a man, just like Jesus. Being a man, I'm thinking that he could not have been completely perfect. He must have made some mistakes, though not many.

As someone who has studied the life and character of Prophet Muhammed, and whose belief in Islam rests on this, you must have come across not only his great deeds but also his mistakes. Some things which he did that he should not have done, and which you would not emulate if you found yourself in the same situation. Can you describe 3 of them to us and tell us how it affected your faith when you came across them?

sino:
First I must state that my being Muslim is as a result of Allah’s Mercies. As a Muslim, I must first acknowledge this profound blessing on me, for if Allah (SWT) had willed differently, I could have been anything except being a Muslim.

Be that as it may, I do have personal reasons for sticking with Islam. I haven’t studied all other religions in the world, but studying the Qur’an has helped me to understand what I need do to attain salvation.

Not only that, if we look at the Abrahamic faith, Judaism and Christianity to be precise, they claim to be followers of Moses and Jesus respectively, fortunately, Islam talks about these religions, as well as the personalities they revere, this alone helps me understand that indeed, the religious personalities of these aforementioned religions were from the one true God who had also sent the last messenger to guide mankind to attain proper relationship with Him through the Qur’an and his teachings of the Qur’an.

Other forms of religion that I had come across, especially traditionally, acknowledges the existence of GOD, but they have constituted partnership with this one true God, this is counterintuitive, for even in our worldly dispositions, we detest sharing authority, so how can associating partnership with the Creator be what the Creator intends especially in terms of worship?!

Not only that, these other religions happen to be as a result of a man, and therefore such religions are usually named after such men and in most cases such men are worshiped, instead of the Creator. Islam is distinct, and it is all encompassing. It deals with both worldly and spiritual affairs of man, Islam teaches how to recognize God as the one true God with no partners, He is self-sufficient, He begets not nor was He begotten, and there is none like unto Him (Q114:1-4).

Seun:

Your stories about how Prophet Muhammed reacted to the death of his children, and how he was nice to the guy who threw broken bottles unto his road, are inspiring. I can see how one would want to follow the religion of a man with such strength and maturity. One thing I've noticed about the muslim view of the Prophet Muhammed is that, while you respect him as the last Prophet, you recognize that he is a man, just like Jesus. Being a man, I'm thinking that he could not have been completely perfect. He must have made some mistakes, though not many.

As someone who has studied the life and character of Prophet Muhammed, and whose belief in Islam rests on this, you must have come across not only his great deeds but also his mistakes. Some things which he did that he should not have done, and which you would not emulate if you found yourself in the same situation. Can you describe 3 of them to us and tell us how it affected your faith when you came across them?

Seun:
I think I understand. You mean he didn't make mistakes with the Qu'ran, but some of his actions which Allah did not command him to do could have been wrong. Not intentionally, but by mistake. I'd really like to know which 3 actions you would pick as the Prophet's top 3 mistakes.

Seun:

Would you trust a book comparing Islam and Christianity that was written by Pastor Adeboye, whose teachings are also practical and clear?


How would you convince a skeptic, who sees abrogation as simply a system for managing the contradictions in the Qur'an, that it's not so?

Interesting!


Can you share the bible verses that talk about the prophethood of Muhammad, and Hajj? I'm extremely interested because it's news to me!

balash:


This is so wrong? Why would you describe an hadith as 'Crazy' that's unislamic my brother, this thread author is a Christian and their so trust is based on the fact that we Muslims get all our beliefs and guidance from the holy qur'an it's so wrong for me quoting hadith to him, I needed to quote something he can actually surf the Internet and get the same meanings so I can at least be crisp in reasoning and dealings

In as much as the Prophet is a noble man we can't say as human he won't forget somethings as human naturally, we don't need to describe the Prophet like immortal human to christians, it's more appropriate to say he is Noble and would never sin against Allah and his beliefs not saying he can't merely say, Oh I forgot my toothbrush, that's cool not like he forget to pray and we be like it's a mistake that can't happen to the Prophet but he surely would forget things as human normally even if there ain't no written evidence based on such but as human, he is bound to forget things in a split secs

daretodiffer:
This thread was going on smoothly into you started your nonsense again. This is not about you and in case you have forgotten, most Muslims in this thread will never agree to what you have to say. Stop trolling !

U dey mind this Albaqir(shia), ur hate for the sunnaah of rasul wil destroy u, and ur kind. Seek allaah's guidance man! He's always antiIslaam. Thank God u r taking less serious by the day.

Seun:

Thanks for your response. Most of us came into religion that same way. How are you sure that the Quran is truly the word of God, though?

How would you disprove the idea that the Prophet simply took the stories of those prophets from the bible and modified them for the Qur'an?

Could your distaste for the Christian trinity doctrine be due to its condemnation by the religion you were brought up in, and nothing more?