Seun:
I believe that every muslim has unique and personal reasons for believing that Islam is the true religion. Can you share those reasons on this thread, and let's discuss them? This thread is not to insult Islam but to have an enjoyable and educative conversation about why we believe.

Seun:

Thanks for your response. Most of us came into religion that same way. How are you sure that the Quran is truly the word of God, though?

Seun:

How would you disprove the idea that the Prophet simply took the stories of those prophets from the bible and modified them for the Qur'an?

Seun:

Could your distaste for the Christian trinity doctrine be due to its condemnation by the religion you were brought up in, and nothing more?

sino:
You are welcome. How are we sure of anything in this life?! How do we perceive the truth?! What is the truth?! These are questions that I did ask myself, and still do,

I am open-minded, and I have studied the Qur'an based on my own limitations, and I arrived at the the believe that it is indeed the truth.

Seun:

What are the specific things you observed during your study of the Quran that caused you to become fully convinced that it's true? (Tnx)

MrOlai:
For a somebody like you who believe only on empirical facts, there are many empirical facts in the Qur'an. Qur'an was revealed over 1400 years ago when there were generally no scientific methods in the world. Take for instance:

The Quran and the Darkness of the Bottom Deep Sea.
Allah says:

Or (the unbelievers’ state) is like the darkness in a deep sea... (Quran, 24:40)

Today, it has been scientifically proved that, even during hot sunny day, the bottom of the deep sea is a complete darkness. Few aquatic lives that reside at that potion of the sea have their own source(s) of light for survival. How did Qur'an get to know this fact? 1400 years ago? This knowledge wouldn't have come anywhere at that time except from the Creator of the Universe Himself(SWT)!

There are many other empirical facts like that in the Qur'an.

Seun:

Thanks for this specific example. Skeptics could say that people had been sailing on the seas and swimming on beaches long before the Quran was written. Many people who swam in the sea, or fell into it, or dived into it to rescue someone who was drowning must have experienced the darkness under the sea and told other people about it. It should have been common knowledge that it's dark under the sea. This skeptical position is supported by the fact that the Quran was using the darkness in the deep sea in an analogy (it would not have made sense for the darkness under the deep sea to be used in an analogy if it wasn't common knowledge at that time that the deep sea is a dark place).

If skeptics could explain away all the facts in the Quran that the Prophet couldn't have known, would that shake your faith in the Quran?

Seun:

Thanks for this specific example. Skeptics could say that people had been sailing on the seas and swimming on beaches long before the Quran was written. Many people who swam in the sea, or fell into it, or dived into it to rescue someone who was drowning must have experienced the darkness under the sea and told other people about it. It should have been common knowledge that it's dark under the sea. This skeptical position is supported by the fact that the Quran was using the darkness in the deep sea in an analogy (it would not have made sense for the darkness under the deep sea to be used in an analogy if it wasn't common knowledge at that time that the deep sea is a dark place).
If skeptics could explain away all the facts in the Quran that the Prophet couldn't have known, would that shake your faith in the Quran?

DevotedOne:
The type darkness experienced by deep sea divers sixteen miles beneath the sea.
Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Seun:

Thanks for this specific example. Skeptics could say that people had been sailing on the seas and swimming on beaches long before the Quran was written. Many people who swam in the sea, or fell into it, or dived into it to rescue someone who was drowning must have experienced the darkness under the sea and told other people about it. It should have been common knowledge that it's dark under the sea. This skeptical position is supported by the fact that the Quran was using the darkness in the deep sea in an analogy (it would not have made sense for the darkness under the deep sea to be used in an analogy if it wasn't common knowledge at that time that the deep sea is a dark place).
If skeptics could explain away all the facts in the Quran that the Prophet couldn't have known, would that shake your faith in the Quran?

Seun:

Thanks for this specific example. Skeptics could say that people had been sailing on the seas and swimming on beaches long before the Quran was written. Many people who swam in the sea, or fell into it, or dived into it to rescue someone who was drowning must have experienced the darkness under the sea and told other people about it. It should have been common knowledge that it's dark under the sea. This skeptical position is supported by the fact that the Quran was using the darkness in the deep sea in an analogy (it would not have made sense for the darkness under the deep sea to be used in an analogy if it wasn't common knowledge at that time that the deep sea is a dark place).
If skeptics could explain away all the facts in the Quran that the Prophet couldn't have known, would that shake your faith in the Quran?

Seun:

Thanks for this specific example. Skeptics could say that people had been sailing on the seas and swimming on beaches long before the Quran was written. Many people who swam in the sea, or fell into it, or dived into it to rescue someone who was drowning must have experienced the darkness under the sea and told other people about it. It should have been common knowledge that it's dark under the sea. This skeptical position is supported by the fact that the Quran was using the darkness in the deep sea in an analogy (it would not have made sense for the darkness under the deep sea to be used in an analogy if it wasn't common knowledge at that time that the deep sea is a dark place).
If skeptics could explain away all the facts in the Quran that the Prophet couldn't have known, would that shake your faith in the Quran?

DevotedOne:
The type darkness experienced by deep sea divers sixteen miles beneath the sea.
Wassalaam. DevotedOne

MrOlai:
@bolded. By now, you should know where you got it wrong with the bolded words. During the day, there is no darkness anywhere in the sea except the Midnight/Darkness Zone only in the Deep Sea, not in the Continental Shelf. No human being would experience the darkness in the Deep Sea and would still be alive!

So, Oga Seun, do you believe Qur'an now?

16 miles is about 26km. No diver in the world can dive to a depth of 26km in the sea, even with diver's gadgets! The pressure at that depth is unbearable! The pressure there is synonymous with death!

The diver who holds the Guineas World Record for the greatest depth is Ahmad Gabr, an Egyptian. He dived to a depth of 1090 feet(About 332 metres).

332 metres is not up to 1km. 332m is within the Twilight Zone of the sea.

However, 26 miles(About 26km) lies within the Midnight/Darkness Zone of the sea. This is correct.

Seun:
What if another skeptic said that, even though people could not have dived safely to the darkest parts of the deep sea, they must have noticed that the ocean got darker the deeper they went, and thus inferred that the bottom of the deep sea must be dark? What if she challenged you to ask 10 uneducated people on the streets if the bottom of the deep sea was bright or dark and said he suspected that most of them would say it was dark? What if she said that regardless of the above, the context of that verse in the Quran suggests that the audience was familiar with the darkness of the bottom of the sea? That there was no point in comparing an unbeliever's heart to the darkness of the deep sea if the audience didn't already believe or know that the deep sea was dark?

DevotedOne:
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.
@MrOlai:
I can tell you, that since a child, I have seen Movies, TV documentaries, Magazine articles/pictures, of fully equipped divers walking on the very bottom of the sea, with some type of torch lights. And what of those divers that search for (treasure in) sunken ships, on the bottom of the ocean? Or, is that some kind of trick?? So, please double check your quoted post below. Thanks.
Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Seun:
What if another skeptic said that, even though people could not have dived safely to the darkest parts of the deep sea, they must have noticed that the ocean got darker the deeper they went, and thus inferred that the bottom of the deep sea must be dark? What if she challenged you to ask 10 uneducated people on the streets if the bottom of the deep sea was bright or dark and said she suspected that most of them would say it was dark? What if she said that regardless of the above, the context of that verse in the Quran suggests that the audience was familiar with the darkness of the bottom of the deep sea? That there was no point in comparing an unbeliever's heart to the darkness of the deep sea if the audience didn't already believe or know that the deep sea was dark?

Seun:

Would you trust a book comparing Islam and Christianity that was written by Pastor Adeboye, whose teachings are also practical and clear?


How would you convince a skeptic, who sees abrogation as simply a system for managing the contradictions in the Qur'an, that it's not so?

Interesting!


Can you share the bible verses that talk about the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad, and Hajj? I'm extremely interested because it's news to me!

Bnladan:
we will highly appreciate it if u add "prophet" before his name in ur subsequent comments. This will gv us some view dat u respect our religion and dat truly wat brought u here is 2 get informed bout Islam.