[quote author=Qualer post=48822222] gay mofo I can see how educated you are with your knowledge of history without facts and you are yet to know history of your own insanity.check yourself dear and stop getting worked up over something you know nothing about.I can see you in pains ,bring it on

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Jewish are follower of Judaism and not a race of people...
I am not looking at the issue from religious point because I have no business with Christianity, I am looking at it purely from historical point of view.

The people that lives in that region are dark skin to brown skin people, the weather, architecture is pointer to this fact.

European in a bid to prove superiority over every race whitewashed history, dehumanized Africans for their selfish interest.

Civilization like this had been used by u Europeans to enslave others, formulate racist IQ test to prove that Africans (black) are sub human not capable of any notable civilization.

That is the reason why they whitewash all known civilization to fit into their racist view of the black race

ChikezieU:
please any book you can recommend for me.

there are books but mostly found in old school libraries like the Smithsonian in Washington DC - The hundreds of years of research material in that library will keep you busy (if you are an efiko ) for years. Some other libraries in the UK - like Oxford University and the Harvard Libraries in Boston. The closer ones are in some ancient conservatories in Mali (that one i'm yet to conquer ).

But see where you can get these ones though...

W.Y. Adams: Nubia Corridor to Africa. London.1977

A.J. Arkell: A History of the Sudan. London.1955

Before Color Prejudice: The Ancient View of Blacks. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, Snowden, 1983,

K. Baer: The Libyan and Nubian Kings of Egypt: Notes
on the Chronology of Dynasties XXII to XXVI 1973

Emberling, Geoff (2011). Nubia: Ancient Kingdoms of Africa. New York: Institute for the Study of the Ancient World.

F.Ll. Griffith: Oxford Excavations in Nubia VIII-XVII,
Napata, Sanam Temple, Treasury and Town 1922

T. Kendall: The Origin of the Napatan State I. The
Evidence for the Royal Ancestors at el Kurru. Prepublication
of main paper delivered at the Seventh
International Conference for Meroitic Studies Berlin 1992

D.B. Redford: Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient
Times. Princeton 1993

Dows Dunham and M. F. Laming Macadam, "Names and Relationships of the Royal Family of Napata",1949


Clayton, Peter A.- Chronicle of the Pharaohs:
The Reign-by-Reign Record of the Rulers and Dynasties of Ancient Egypt. Thames & Hudson. 2006.

Bonnet, Charles (2006). The Nubian Pharaohs. The American University in Cairo Press.

Diop, Cheikh Anta (1974). The African Origin of Civilization. Illinois: Lawrence Hill Books.

F.L. Griffith, Stories of the High Priests of Memphis: The Sethon of Herodotus and the Demotic Tales of Khamuas (1900)

These are just a few, like i said - it is research material and texts from decades of academic and individual research, there is no singular book where you will get all the answers you need.

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i have no room for charlatans.. deuces!

Thanks

Qualer:



there are books but mostly found in old school libraries like the Smithsonian in Washington DC - The hundreds of years of research material in that library will keep you busy (if you are an efiko ) for years. Some other libraries in the UK - like Oxford University and the Harvard Libraries in Boston. The closer ones are in some ancient conservatories in Mali (that one i'm yet to conquer ).

But see where you can get these ones though...

W.Y. Adams: Nubia Corridor to Africa. London.1977

A.J. Arkell: A History of the Sudan. London.1955

Before Color Prejudice: The Ancient View of Blacks. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, Snowden, 1983,

K. Baer: The Libyan and Nubian Kings of Egypt: Notes
on the Chronology of Dynasties XXII to XXVI 1973

Emberling, Geoff (2011). Nubia: Ancient Kingdoms of Africa. New York: Institute for the Study of the Ancient World.

F.Ll. Griffith: Oxford Excavations in Nubia VIII-XVII,
Napata, Sanam Temple, Treasury and Town 1922

T. Kendall: The Origin of the Napatan State I. The
Evidence for the Royal Ancestors at el Kurru. Prepublication
of main paper delivered at the Seventh
International Conference for Meroitic Studies Berlin 1992

D.B. Redford: Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient
Times. Princeton 1993

Dows Dunham and M. F. Laming Macadam, "Names and Relationships of the Royal Family of Napata",1949


Clayton, Peter A.- Chronicle of the Pharaohs:
The Reign-by-Reign Record of the Rulers and Dynasties of Ancient Egypt. Thames & Hudson. 2006.

Bonnet, Charles (2006). The Nubian Pharaohs. The American University in Cairo Press.

Diop, Cheikh Anta (1974). The African Origin of Civilization. Illinois: Lawrence Hill Books.

F.L. Griffith, Stories of the High Priests of Memphis: The Sethon of Herodotus and the Demotic Tales of Khamuas (1900)

These are just a few, like i said - it is research material and texts from decades of academic and individual research, there is no singular book where you will get all the answers you need.

Qualer:



i have no room for charlatans.. deuces!

look for the definition of that word cos you if you are who claim to be,I mean educated you shouldn't start attacking people for airing their own views it simply shows you lack confidence in your own side of argument. look for ur level next time mofo

lyricalpontiff:
Critical thinking  session:  Egyptians are a dark skinned people. Or were dark skinned people in the past, if u visit there museums and see ancient pictures and paintings you will understand. Yahushua and His family hid in Egypt from Herod.  If Yahushua ,Yoseph, and Miriam(Mary) was white could they possibly hide out in Egypt amongst a black race?  They would have to blend in right.  Yahshua, Yoseph and Miriam are from the tribe of Yahudah of the twelve tribes of Israel.  Yoseph, Moses, and Paul are from the twelve tribes.  All either hid in Egypt or was mistaken for an Egyptian. The only conclusion to this is that our Messiah did not have blond or brown hair and white skin.   Yahushua was and is a dark skinned non-Egyptian,non-African Hebrew Israelite. 

The birth or history of the Israel nation started in the Land of Ham/Mizraim or modern day Egypt.  When Ya'aqob(Jacob) entered Egypt with his people their number was around 70 souls and when they departed during the Exodus they numbered in over 3 million Hebrew souls.  If you truly study scripture, you can find what race of people the ancient Hebrews actually are and who they are today.

First off, several times in scripture the ancient Hebrews were compared to the ancient Egyptians in physical appearance.  Lets look at Yoseph(Joseph) when he was second-in-command in Egypt under the Pharaoh. Read the following verse about when Yoseph sees his brothers for the first time many years after they put him in a hole and sold him to the Midianites.

Bereshith(Genesis) 42:7-8-(v7)And Yoseph saw his brothers and recognized them, but he acted as a stranger to them and spoke to them harshly, and said to them,"Where do you come from?"  And they said, "From the land of Kena'an to buy food."(v8)So Yoseph recognized his brothers, but they did not recognize him.

KJV Ch.42:7-8-(v7)And Joseph saw his brethren, and he knew them, but made himself strange unto them, and spake roughly unto them; and he said unto them, Whence come ye? And they said, From the land of Canaan to buy food.(v8)And Joseph knew his brethren, but they knew not him.

1611 KJV ch. 42:7-8(v7)And Ioseph saw his brethren, and he knew them, but made himselfe strange vnto them, and spake roughly vnto them; and hee saide vnto them, Whence come ye? And they said, From the land of Canaan, to buy food.(v8) And Ioseph knew his brethren, but they knew not him.

Okay, so If the Egyptians are a dark skinned people and Yoseph was white, would not his brothers recognized him even with Egyptian garb on?  The answer to that is yes, they would have recognized him whether they would have recognized him as their blood brother or someone of the same nationality.  If you place a white person in a room full of blacks or a black person in a room full of whites they would stand out like a sore thumb.  So if the Egyptians are black and Yoseph's brothers thought he was an Egyptian and not a Hebrew, that means that the Hebrew people were and are a dark skinned people and not the lighter color skinned people we see playing these patriarch Hebrew roles in movies and on t.v. or the people that are occupying Israel right now.

This next verse explains how the Canaanites described the physical appearance of the Hebrews compared to the Egyptians.  This is after the death of Ya'acob in Egypt and his burial in the land of Canaan. 

Bereshith(Genesis)50:7-11(v7)And Yoseph went up to bury his father.  And with him went up all the servants of Pharoah, the elders of his house, and all the elders of the land of Mitsrayiam.(v8)and all the house of Yoseph, and his brothers, and his father's house.  Only their little ones, and their flocks, and their herds they left in the land of Goshen.(v9)And there went up with him both chariots and horsemen, and it was a very great company.(v10)And they came to the threshing floor of Atad, which is beyond the Yarden, and they lamented there with a great and very heavy lamentation.  And he observe seven days of morning for his father.(v11)And when the inhabitants of the land, the Kena'anites, saw the mourning at the threshing-floor of Atad, they said,"This is a greviousmourning for the Mitsrites."  That is why its name was called Abel Mitsrayim, which is beyond the Yarden".

KJV Ch. 50:7-11(v7)And Joseph went up to bury his father: and with him went up all the servants of Pharaoh, the elders of his house, and all the elders of the land of Egypt,(V8)And all the house of Joseph, and his brethren, and his father's house: only their little ones, and their flocks, and their herds, they left in the land of Goshen.(V9)And there went up with him both chariots and horsemen: and it was a very great company.(v10)And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation: and he made a mourning for his father seven days.(v11)And when the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, saw the mourning in the floor of Atad, they said, This is a grievous mourning to the Egyptians: wherefore the name of it was called Abelmizraim, which is beyond Jordan.

KJV 1611 ch.50:7-11(7)  And Ioseph went vp to bury his father: and with him went vp all the seruants of Pharaoh, the elders of his house, and all the elders of the land of Egypt,( And all the house of Ioseph, and his brethren, and his fathers house: onely their litle ones, and their flockes, and their heards, they left in the land of Goshen.(9) And there went vp with him both charets and horsemen: and it was a very great company.(10) And they came to the threshing floore of Atad, which is beyond Iordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation: and he made a mourning for his father seuen dayes.(11) And when the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites sawe the mourning in the floore of Atad, they saide, This is a grieuous mourning to the Egyptians: wherfore the name of it was called, Abel Mizraim, which is beyond Iordan‎
Mosheh (Moses) Mistaken for an Egyptian
Mosheh (Moses) was birthed from the house of Levi.  His father and mother are of the tribe of Levi.
Exodus 2:1-2(v1)And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi.(v2)And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months.

During this time the Israelite's were still in Egyptian captivity and multiplying at a rapid rate.  The Pharaoh(believed to be Seti I) recognized and feared the great population boost of the Israelite's because he feared his slaves would become greater than them and join their enemies in war against Egypt. 

Exodus 1:7-10(v7)And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them.(v8)Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.(v9)And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than wev10)Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land.

At the time of the birth of Moses, Pharaoh placed an order out that every male Hebrew newborn be killed.

Exodus 1: 22-And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying, Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.

OK to sum things up Moses' mother placed him in a basket and put it in the river, Pharaoh's daughter retrieves him from the river and raised him as her own son.  The Pharaoh believed for many many years that Moses was his blood grandson and raised him as so.  He never thought for one moment that Moses was Hebrew.  So if Moses was white, would not he had been killed on the spot.  There is no way that a dark skinned Pharaoh could possibly think that a white skinned Moses was his grandson.  When Pharaoh found out, well into Moses' adulthood, he ordered Moses to be killed.  Here is a quick critical thinking session:  The Egyptians are a dark skinned people.  Pharaoh thought Moses was His blood grandson.  When you put these two facts together you get that Moses was a dark skinned non-Egyptian man.  There is no way around it.  The proof is in the pudding.  POINT, BLANK, PERIOD!  Moses is a black Hebrew Israelite from the tribe of Levi of the twelve tribes of Israel.

After Moses fled from Egypt, he ended up in the land of Midian.  While in Midian he helped seven dauthers of a Midian priest by chasing away oncoming shepherds and helped water the flock.  When the daughters told their father about Moses, they thought he was an Egyptian.

Exodus 2:16-19- (16) Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they came and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock.(17) And the shepherds came and drove them away: but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock.(18)And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?(19)And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the floc
Paul was Mistaken for an Egyptian

The Apostle Paul, who is from the tribe of Benjamin and is a "Jew" which meant that he dwelt in the land of the tribe of Yahudah(Judah) of the 12 twelve tribes of Israel, was mistaken for an Egyptian.
Acts 21:37-39(v37)And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?(v38)Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?(v39)But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

OK it's time for another critical thinking session:  Egyptians are a dark skinned people.  Paul was mistaken for an Egyptian by a Greek speaking Chief Captain who was most likely a European because Rome had control of Israel at that time.  Paul could not possibly be white and be mistaken for a black Egyptian by a European guard.  Paul has to be a dark skinned Hebrew man.
Yahushua is Black
Our savior Yahushua the Messiah was birthed out of the tribe of Yahudah(Judah) from the twelve tribes of Israel.  When Yahushua was just a young child, Him, His father and mother fled to Egypt because Herod ordered all male children 2 years and under to be killed for the fear of the prophecy of a future reigning King.

Matthew 2:13-And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Yahuah appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
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The Ancient Hebrew Israelites were compared with and mistaken for Egyptians many many times as far as physical appearance goes.See the pictures of the real Ancient Hebrews Israelites; 
real tangible proof and see the real Ancient Egyptians. ‎
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the premise upon which your entire arguement is based is false. Ancient Egypt was a melting point of different civilisation so it would prove to be the perfect place for anybody to hide or lay low. Abram, Isaac, Jacob, and ultimately Joseph were Arameans (Ex. 31:24) also recall that Esau founded a couple of arabic nations during this period. Joseph was referred distinctly to as an Hebrew by Potiphar's wife and Pharaoh's Butler showing a distinction in race, this was after he has spent years in Egypt running his masters business and entire household. Moses was first raised by his mother under Pharaoh's daughters protection till he reached a certain age Ex.2: 9-10. He was mistaken for an Egyptian by the way he dressed not for his skin colour remember his people still recognised him as one of them showing a distinction in physical looks. Now to the question was Jesus black? NO! Was he white? NO! Jesus was hebrew. And the Hebrews are semites the closest description one can have of Jesus in this modern time will be the arabs. Using his father's hiding in Egypt as a confirmation to him being black is like saying Obanikoro is white because he is hiding in a whitemans land.

The ancient Egyptians were black Africans. Here are over 1700 pictures to prove that fact. https://www.pinterest.com/garygarrett353/ancient-egypt/

As for the ancient Israelites, here are another 1700 pictures to show that they were black as well. https://www.pinterest.com/garygarrett353/blacked-out-through-whitewash/

I cried my eyes out for a very long time when I found this truth! Praise Yahuah the MOST HIGH Elohim that HIS truth is being revealed and the evil of this world is being shone in the light! When I stand before my Yahusha I will know who I am looking at! AND when the hour comes that HE parts the firmament I will know what I am looking for and I will not be deceived by the evil of this world. ALL PRAISES to our Messiah Yahusha!