Alhajipablo:
Muslims have to be very careful when engaging in discussions with xtains,if you notice they are not serious and not ready to learn just as itz been observed in this thread just ignore them.

Do not wrestle with a pig,it will drag you to the mud and pigs love it.

WORDWORLD:


WHO IS HOLDING YOUR MOUTH TO PRAY IN THE NAME OF A COWARD THAT WAS CRYING LIKE A WOMAN WHILE BEING NAILED TO THE CROSS. DID HE FORGET THAT HE CAME TO DIED FOR OUR SINS. PRAY IN THE NAME OF THAT LUNATIC WHO WAS TOO HUNGRY AND HAD TO CURSE A FIG TREE. THE FACT REMAINS THAT LIARS DO NOT END WELL. I HAVE ASKED YOU SEVERAL TIMES TO PRODUCE YOUR EVIDENCE. TILL DATE YOU CANT. ALL YOU NEED DO IS GO TO YOUR POST AND SEARCH. MAY THE LIAR AND THEIR FAMILIES HAVE A HARD LIFE.

Alhajipablo:
Muslims have to be very careful when engaging in discussions with xtains,if you notice they are not serious and not ready to learn just as itz been observed in this thread just ignore them.

Do not wrestle with a pig,it will drag you to the mud and pigs love it.

alfarouq:

I realised long time ago that responding to this people is a waste of my time, so I just ignore them.
Ya Akhii worldword we shoukd not let there behavior make us lose focus, they may insult Muhammad pbuh which is painful, but we must not because of that offer the same treatment to Jesus because to a Muslim, all messengers of Allah deserve love and respect.
Instead you can use words such as your bible claimed Jesus did this and that, that way you will not be looking or mocking any of Allah's messengers.
May Allah increase us in eeman

blessedvisky:
Lol. Nice work 4everGod3. When I read Ali sina's book about Mohammed and Islam way back in 2014, I saw Islam for what it truly was and I realised the following

Mohammed was a charlatan all along. It's obvious from his "revelations" if you read the hadith and try and arrange his life chronologically.
So a trader who married a sugar mummy was appeared to by jibril, an angel with 600 wings. Lol

When Mohammed tried getting his tribesmen to accept him as a prophet, the "satanic verses" were revealed conveniently, but when this didn't solve d problem, they were removed from the quran with Muhammad claiming it was 'Satan' that was responsible and Allah comforting him that there was no "no prophet before him that satin didn't try to corrupt also" How lovely.

When the JEWS didn't accept him as a prophet like the real prophets d Jews know well, he stopped praying towards Jerusalem and faced Mecca instead. Talk about Rejection. One would wonder why there is so much hate for Jews in the quran. That's one of the reasons why.

When our ever gallant scammer wanted to marry little Aisha, her father refused @ first, only for Muhammad to dream
Sahih al-Bukhari 3895—Narrated Aishah that the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and someone said (to me), ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah it will be accomplished.’”
Can you imagine.?? He conveniently had a dream and that effectively shut up the father.


When Mohammed slept with the slave girl of his wife Hausa, she shouted and revealed this to the other wives though she promised not to coz he begged her. Then our ever benevolent and most merciful Allah revealed this to Muhammad

This is the text of the Surah Tahrim: 66:1-5.

1. O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allâh has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
2. Allâh has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths. And Allâh is your Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.) and He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise.
3. And (remember) when the Prophet (SAW) disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. 'Aishah), and Allâh made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said: "Who told you this?" He said: "The All-Knower, the All-Aware (Allâh) has told me".
4. If you two (wives of the Prophet SAW, namely 'Aishah and Hafsah turn in repentance to Allâh, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet SAW likes), but if you help one another against him (Muhammad SAW), then verily, Allâh is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers.
5. It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to Allâh), believers, obedient to Allâh, turning to Allâh in repentance, worshipping Allâh sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for Allâh's sake), previously married and virgins. “

Another case of manipulation

There is a story which particularly gets me worried. It's that of Safiyah. To cut long story short, Muhammad had killed her father, husband and relatives when he attacked their town. He saw this beautiful girl and took her into his tent on the night her husband, kinana, was killed by torture. He married her the next day. So much for a prophet of peace. Here is an article concerning this :
Safiyah was seventeen and very beautiful when Muslims killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. In the same day the Prophet of Allah wanted to sleep with her. Here is the exact text of the story.

“Safiyah was born in Medinah. She belonged to the Jewish tribe of Banu 'I-Nadir. When this tribe was expelled from Medinah in the year 4 A.H, Huyaiy was one of those who settled in the fertile colony of Khaibar together with Kinana ibn al-Rabi' to whom Safiyah was married a little before the Muslims attacked Khaibar. She was then seventeen. She had formerly been the wife of Sallam ibn Mishkam, who divorced her. One mile from Khaibar. Here the Prophet married Safiyah. She was groomed and made-up for the Prophet by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas09 ibn Malik. They spent the night there. Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of the Prophet the whole night. When, in the early dawn, the Prophet saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account". The Prophet prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (Ibn Hisham, p. 766) Safiyah had requested the Prophet to wait till he had gone a stage away from Khaibar. "Why?" asked the Prophet. "I was afraid for you on account of the Jews who still happened to be near at Khaibar!"

There is much more I could type, but I I'll stop here for tonight.

Nothing can change the fact that Muhammed was a charlatan who had revelations that suited him and his blood thirsty followers. The same deception is still in Islam today, their ways never change.

A man who did ZERO miracles, signs and wonders, who was killed by ordinary poisoning (Allah couldn't protect him) , who was known to be a fighter, who made claims to doing things nobody saw him do (travelling from mecca to Jerusalem and back in one night comes to mind), who claimed things happened when they did not(eg Abraham and Ishmael building the kabba) who abrogated verses of his own revelations is praised as the Very best of Men in the same quran. I can't imagine what the worst of men would do then.

To be continued

blessedvisky:
Lol. Nice work 4everGod3. When I read Ali sina's book about Mohammed and Islam way back in 2014, I saw Islam for what it truly was and I realised the following

1) Mohammed was a charlatan all along. It's obvious from his "revelations" if you read the hadith and try and arrange his life chronologically.
So a trader who married a sugar mummy was appeared to by jibril, an angel with 600 wings. Lol

When Mohammed tried getting his tribesmen to accept him as a prophet, the "satanic verses" were revealed conveniently, but when this didn't solve d problem, they were removed from the quran with Muhammad claiming it was 'Satan' that was responsible and Allah comforting him that there was no "no prophet before him that satin didn't try to corrupt also" How lovely.

When the JEWS didn't accept him as a prophet like the real prophets d Jews know well, he stopped praying towards Jerusalem and faced Mecca instead. Talk about Rejection. One would wonder why there is so much hate for Jews in the quran. That's one of the reasons why.

When our ever gallant scammer wanted to marry little Aisha, her father refused @ first, only for Muhammad to dream
Sahih al-Bukhari 3895—Narrated Aishah that the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and someone said (to me), ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah it will be accomplished.’”
Can you imagine.?? He conveniently had a dream and that effectively shut up the father.


When Mohammed slept with the slave girl of his wife Hausa, she shouted and revealed this to the other wives though she promised not to coz he begged her. Then our ever benevolent and most merciful Allah revealed this to Muhammad

This is the text of the Surah Tahrim: 66:1-5.

1. O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allâh has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
2. Allâh has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths. And Allâh is your Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.) and He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise.
3. And (remember) when the Prophet (SAW) disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. 'Aishah), and Allâh made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said: "Who told you this?" He said: "The All-Knower, the All-Aware (Allâh) has told me".
4. If you two (wives of the Prophet SAW, namely 'Aishah and Hafsah turn in repentance to Allâh, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet SAW likes), but if you help one another against him (Muhammad SAW), then verily, Allâh is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers.
5. It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to Allâh), believers, obedient to Allâh, turning to Allâh in repentance, worshipping Allâh sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for Allâh's sake), previously married and virgins. “

Another case of manipulation

There is a story which particularly gets me worried. It's that of Safiyah. To cut long story short, Muhammad had killed her father, husband and relatives when he attacked their town. He saw this beautiful girl and took her into his tent on the night her husband, kinana, was killed by torture. He married her the next day. So much for a prophet of peace. Here is an article concerning this :
Safiyah was seventeen and very beautiful when Muslims killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. In the same day the Prophet of Allah wanted to sleep with her. Here is the exact text of the story.

“Safiyah was born in Medinah. She belonged to the Jewish tribe of Banu 'I-Nadir. When this tribe was expelled from Medinah in the year 4 A.H, Huyaiy was one of those who settled in the fertile colony of Khaibar together with Kinana ibn al-Rabi' to whom Safiyah was married a little before the Muslims attacked Khaibar. She was then seventeen. She had formerly been the wife of Sallam ibn Mishkam, who divorced her. One mile from Khaibar. Here the Prophet married Safiyah. She was groomed and made-up for the Prophet by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik. They spent the night there. Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of the Prophet the whole night. When, in the early dawn, the Prophet saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account". The Prophet prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (Ibn Hisham, p. 766) Safiyah had requested the Prophet to wait till he had gone a stage away from Khaibar. "Why?" asked the Prophet. "I was afraid for you on account of the Jews who still happened to be near at Khaibar!"

There is much more I could type, but I I'll stop here for tonight.

Nothing can change the fact that Muhammed was a charlatan who had revelations that suited him and his blood thirsty followers. The same deception is still in Islam today, their ways never change.

A man who did ZERO miracles, signs and wonders, who was killed by ordinary poisoning (Allah couldn't protect him) , who was known to be a fighter, who made claims to doing things nobody saw him do (travelling from mecca to Jerusalem and back in one night comes to mind), who claimed things happened when they did not(eg Abraham and Ishmael building the kabba) who abrogated verses of his own revelations is praised as the Very best of Men in the same quran. I can't imagine what the worst of men would do then.

To be continued

Anas09:

Why not refute what the Op is saying? We here may not believe but have you considered hundreds of people reading it? Do it for them.

History is there to verify if what the Op is saying is false.

Anas09:

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Ah Muslims dont have an iota of shame. Cant you see no one in your community has attempted to answer any question posted at you guys?

You woozed in to pad their backs.
Oh idol worshippers.

Alhajipablo:
which history;something written by a xtain propagandist? Some of us are too busy to involve ourselves in baseless rumours. Wanna debate about Islam do it in the light of Quran and Sunnah and not just some cooked up stories by someone somewhere.

aminusanti:

See another lousy kafir. I laugh in hebrew after reading your childish post, you are seeing those copy n paste as serious questions while I am seeing it as complete trash n rubbish, can't u read and see how my other fellow friend trashed it without any waste of time yet you are here bragging without shame, the problem u pple are not even reading what u are coping on the net that's why u will never understand any simple explanation.

damogulxx:


Did muhammad not have a history? Does Islam not have a History? Was there no idol in Kaabah named Allah? Deny these and deny that muhammad had no history which nobody knew...Was he a ghost?

Alhajipablo:
Mtchew;If you want to know about Muhammad's history it has been documented by Islamic Scholars,should I recommend one of such to you?

damogulxx:


How convenient! So only Islamic scholars have access to Muhammads history. If you had read my opener you would have clearly seen where i said that most of my evidence are from Islamic scholars themselves ...

Your islamic scholars who are in possession of Muhammads history did they say he was not born into a Pagan family who worshipped Hubal and a god named Allah even before muhammad was born?
Mtchewww
Did they say that the Kaabah did not have 360 gods in it one of which was a god named Allah?

Did they say that Muhammad did not speak and recant in the name of abrogating certain statements in the Quran?

Did they say that Muhammad himself or Allah wrote the Quran?

Did the scholars know more than Muhammads child wife who had first hand witness and spoke by herself at certain times including when she said

"The verse of the stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the messenger of Allah expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."

damogulxx:


Of course you would see truth as trash why wouldnt you? I asked a question above please answer it if you can...if you cannot then the door is behind you.

aminusanti:

U lack common sense. truth indeed!
I would always comment and highlight your errors/lies when I see them and that's what u pple dislike but will never waste my time on lame questions like this which were already been trashed.

aminusanti:

U lack common sense. truth indeed!
I would always comment and highlight your errors/lies when I see them and that's what u pple dislike but will never waste my time on lame questions like this which were already been trashed.

damogulxx:


Oh wait before you leave....

@ the bolded since you feel all i am doing is lying then kindly open a thread and drop your own version of islam and muhammads history and tag me. Can you do that?

alfarouq:
Some people are so lazy to use their brains and they are do arrogant to accept the truth even if it has been made as clear as day and night. 4evergod, anas, demagolux, please how many of you have truly picked up the Qur'an yourselves and study it to validate some of this your copy and paste. I know most of you haven't because pastors always deceive their gullible followers that they must never go close to the Quran claiming its a book of hypnosis and no matter who you are, you become enchanted with it, they refuse to tell their followers that it is actually the truth therein that enchants people who study it with a sceptic but open mind. You know its going to cost them the thites they receive and they will not be able to afford private jets.
Somebody talked about history, so how does it feel to ask Hitler to write about the Jews or you ask hopeful landlord or eyegateGod or rancho to write about Jesus and approve and accept it as the absolute truth about Jesus.
Mind you I did not call any Muslim because Muslims rever Jesus and so you are bound to see many things favorable to Jesus if a Muslim was to write.
Peace be upon those who are worthy of it and deserve it.

mumels:


He can't. Cos most of them are liars. They calculatively select their prey and opponents just like Zaik Nair. He does not debate know christian debators. Instead he goes about renting halls and gathering Hindus and Muslims and some few christians saying he his debating.

Just leave these people, I for one I don't have issue with them but with the ideology behind their belief. Most of then are actually nice in person IF NOT FOR THEIR BELIEF.

Alhajipablo:
Muslims have to be very careful when engaging in discussions with xtains,if you notice they are not serious and not ready to learn just as itz been observed in this thread just ignore them.

Do not wrestle with a pig,it will drag you to the mud and pigs love it.

damogulxx:


Oh wait before you leave....

@ the bolded since you feel all i am doing is lying then kindly open a thread and drop your own version of islam and muhammads history and tag me. Can you do that?

aminusanti:

my guy carry on with ur blind debate and u will soon find no muslim responding to your idiologic foolishness without ref.
whenever u ready for rational n logical debate then u are welcome

"Woe to every sinful liar. Who hears the verses of Allah recited to him, then persists arrogantly as if he had not heard them. So give him tidings of a painful punishment.And when he knows anything of Our verses, he takes them in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment".
(Quran 45:7-10)