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Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DeepSight(m): 12:11pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
raphieMontella: That is a given, but what is even more evident and certain is an existence beyond the material and physical reality we see in our waking hours. That intangible reality is far more real than the physical reality which we see daily and which will doubtless dissipate for one and all at physical death. 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DoctorAlien(m): 12:40pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
ValentineMary: I'm pleased to inform you that nobody has ever observed dark matter. They only speculate about its properties. Suffice it to say that the whole notion of dark matter and dark energy was invented to explain certain phenomena which the whole matter-energy in the universe could not account for. Religion is different from science, and religion ceases to be religion when you decided to apply skeptical empiricism to it. 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DoctorAlien(m): 12:43pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
ValentineMary: Can you show me a reaction that does not have a cause? 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by akintom(m): 12:49pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
ValentineMary: Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined. In a wider definition, reality includes everything that is and has been , whether or not it is observable or comprehensible . A still broader definition includes everything that has existed, exists, or will exist. - dictionary. Science: imagination, abstractions and assumptions are subjected to experiment, if the result confirms the assumption in an overwhelming and reproducible pattern, the ASSUMPTION becomes REALITY (truth, logical and exist). Religion: imagination, abstractions and assumptions NEVER subjected to EXPERIMENT but CLAIMED to be REALITY (yes it's REALITY IN BROADER DEFINITION, because it finds existence in the mental processes of religious folks. This is possible because human brain functions that way). Being humanist, conscious watchman (God) is illogical to the extent of scientific realities. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by 4kings: 2:01pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
raphieMontella:Of course |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by ValentineMary(m): 5:31pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
akintom:But is this logical to humans to believe this based on religious concept that are not open to scrutiny ? |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by ValentineMary(m): 5:32pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:There are effects in the quantum world with no known cause. Eg quantum entanglement, quantum tunneling, etc. They just happen. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by ValentineMary(m): 5:35pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:No body has observed dark matter but we can tell it's density by how much it bends space time around it and it's gravitational influence on ordinary matter. But if we are not to be skeptic about it, how can we deduce its authenticity? and if it is not to be empirically deduced, on what basis is it true? |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Seun(m): 5:40pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Etesam:Just call yourself an atheist and be done with it. 99% of atheists including all the popular names are "agnostic atheists" so it's largely redundant. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by ValentineMary(m): 5:42pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
DeepSight:We can call it a reaction because every reaction produces an effect caused by an action. But when there is an effect without any initial action, can we still can it a reaction? yes an automated reaction. Like in the quantum world, certain things happen that are beyond our normal understanding of physics and the natural world. For example entangled particles both having opposite spins. Is this effect caused by any initial reaction, no they just behave that way. What about the value c, that is possesed by gravitational waves and electromagnetic waves, what can we actually say caused that, that's just how it is. It is an effect that caused itself. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by iomoge2(f): 5:54pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Seun: Am sure your full name is Oluwaseun. Dunno if you know what the name means or what the Oluwa in front means... May God give you reasons to believe he exists in Jesus name. Amen. Even if its extreme reasons. 1 Like
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Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by missnawty(f): 6:48pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Seun:uncle seun seun |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Etesam(m): 6:52pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Thank you. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by akintom(m): 7:00pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
ValentineMary: Don't get your question |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Etesam(m): 7:02pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Having been steeped in religion for 3 decades, how am I to be able to unentangle myself from religious mentality. Say 'just dont believe' is not enough. I need tutorial. Seun: |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Seun(m): 7:03pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
iomoge2:By extreme reasons you mean if God appears at my gate in a pillar of fire and refuses to let anyone enter or leave the compound until he speaks to me, right? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Nobody: 7:31pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Etesam:You can get help buy reading books like 'The God delusion' Or try this free blog http://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm The blog above really helped me move away from agnotism into full blown atheism. 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by raphieMontella: 7:32pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Seun:exactly.. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Nobody: 7:41pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Seun:Quiet funny. The theist's wants you to go back to the shackles of religion. They don't know that its nearly impossible for an ex-theist atheist to go back to religion. And even if they do it will be a far different version of theism. What's also funny is how they think they can judge us, their stringent belief that they are right and we are wrong. They think they know everything about atheism. But the truth is that only does of them that were ex atheist really understand atheism, and there aren't many of those around. But most atheist were once religious they know all that goes through the religious mind, only we can rightfully criticize. 2 Likes |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by hopefulLandlord: 7:44pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Etesam: why do you want to leave "religious mentality"? are you questioning your faith? if yes, what prompted the questioning? |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Etesam(m): 7:51pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:So you want to enjoy freedom to disbelieve all alone? 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Etesam(m): 7:54pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
I know I am derailing the thread.
I only wanted a place to obtain credible information. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Seun(m): 8:06pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Etesam:I certainly want to help but we need to know more about you and your current situation. Could you create a new thread for this? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Nobody: 8:12pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Etesam:Nice one. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Mimzyy(f): 8:20pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live as if there isn't and to die to find out that there is. Albert Camus Cc Seun 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Nobody: 8:28pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Mimzyy:If he's not there you wasted your life and you won't even realize it because you're dead. If he is there he has a lot to answer to. 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by byteHead(m): 8:36pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Etesam: If you want to be free from the bondage of religion, start by studying the bible. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DoctorAlien(m): 9:10pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
ValentineMary: That the cause is not known does not mean it doesn't have a cause. Ancient people once thought that many diseases which are caused by microorganisms didn't have a cause. We know better today. To hold that a phenomenon such as an uncaused action is true, which not only violates logic, but also nauseates any rational mind, will be to acknowledge reason-contradicting claims: the same crime of which you accuse religious people. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DoctorAlien(m): 9:17pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
ValentineMary: My brother, this is the same argument religious people present; just with the terms changed viz: You cannot see GOD but you can tell whether or not He is present in a life by observing what fruits the person yields. You accuse religious people of having faith in an unseen GOD? You are guilty of having faith in an unseen phenomenon too. I would tell you to rather sift everything you hear from "scientists" and reason with your own head. A lot faith is exercised today even in the camp of those who label themselves as empiricists. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DoctorAlien(m): 9:44pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
ValentineMary, A whole lot is wrong with modern science. The whole idea of dark matter exists because it is assumed that the spacetime is a geniune proposition. Please follow this link to find out that the idea of spacetime is a hoax that not only needs to be immediately retired, but also raises questions about the veracity of what most people hold as "truth" today, supposedly from the stables of science. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by Nobody: 10:26pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Continue in your delusion but leave science alone. How easily you doubt the procedures that led to the device you now use to campaign for your non existent God, that led to most of the basic amenities you enjoy today. |
Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DoctorAlien(m): 11:21pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
Lennycool: I spotted about two logical fallacies in your post: 1. Argumentum ad hominem 2. Argumentum ad verecundiam There could be more. I wonder why you think that Christians are anti-science. For the records, I'm a scientist. There is a difference between science and speculation! Let me shock you: most of the things you know about science might actually be fairytales enshrouded in a cacophony of grandiloquence. And oh, brother, the idea behind ICT today is not that nothing exploded 13.8 billion years ago, neither is it that a bacterium suddenly became a dog and then dinosaurs! nor is it that spacetime became curved by dark matter which nobody has seen! The idea behind ICT is science. |
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