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Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by cuteboy2: 7:24pm On Oct 20, 2016
BornStunner1:




FACTS ABOUT THE YORUBAS AKA AFONJAS
( 1 ) . Their story of
kingship began with Edo
prince and the Benin
recorded History .
( 2 ) . Ayayi crawder said,
little were know about
yoruba existence,
meaning they were not
part of Nigeria of today
boarder or were in small
settlement close to
dahomy. yoruba are half
muslims and those with
African traditions copied or got them from Benin
civilization . I doubt if they not immigrants from dahomy
mix with Benins or other fulani- hausa from Niger
. Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c . 1809 – 31
December 1891 ) Was the first African Anglican bishop
in Nigeria . Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local
Government, Oyo State , Nigeria ) . His grandson was
Herbert Macaulay
( 3 ) . Yoruba have dublicity of kingship with the process
highly politized to being traditional . A system they try
copy from Benin but can 't get it real like the Benin
Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered
institutions in the world because of the way it has
sustained its awesome prestige with strict and
meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour ,
discipline and integrity . Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be
bought or conferred on non- indigenes or frivolously .
Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty
and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make
sense , therefore , to think that a people who would not
and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-
indigenes, would voluntarily invite , accept, or surrender
to non- indigenes as their kings . Due to celestial
origins , the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle
for contracts .
( 4 ) . Most of today
yoruba religion are
Benin Origin , Olokun ,
Ogun , Iha oguega (ifa ) ,
oronmila, Esago
(shango ) , Ayelala etc .
Many Benin traditions
and spirituality are
stillfully documented by
yorubas in high places
as YORUBA ? (Never mind the Edo man ' s christian
mindset quickly dening Edo have niothing to do with
African traditional religion , agreeing they are foriegn to
Edoland . . . LIE ) .
Although the Great Edo ( Benin ) Kingdom were not major
participants in the trans- Atlantic slave trade , because
the Obas (Kings ) believed that their subjects were too
valuable to sell away , and their noblemen had need of
war captives on their own farms , the influence of Edo
religion and medicine has still been substantial upon
the people of the Americas .
According to Mason (1996 ) , it has been widely
accepted that Olokun ( god of the sea ) worship
originated with the Edo and spread to the Yoruba ( p. 2) .
In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural
traditions that has made its mark in the New World is
Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters ) worship
originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent
at Ughoton around the Ethiope ( Olokun) River . The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time . Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period , trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders . Prior to the
Oba Period , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into
Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton ,
before his moving westward with his followers to
establish Ilefe ( Ero , 1999 , p . 108- 109) .
Once he arrived , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe , which could be what yoruba call
IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa ’ s loins , the Yoruba
dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that
Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the
outlying Yoruba areas.

Very classic. Very well researched.
However on your point nr 2 the name of the Anglican priest is Rev Ajayi Crowther
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 7:28pm On Oct 20, 2016
Lilimax:
This Oba may likely take Benin kingdom to a primitive era judging by what transpired during the
coronation festival yesterday embarassed

Amusu's were flying in broad daylight shocked


What's Amusu?
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by delishpot: 7:32pm On Oct 20, 2016
Barney11:
that is good. but why didn't the man marry from his age group(if na Muslim now, yawa for don gas here) why did they cover their nose, is benin people smelling?

What are you saying? Do they look like babies that are taken as brides in the north? These are mature women capable of reasoning. Can you compare them to the 8-14 year old kids men in the north are marrying? Una sabi make comment wey go make person miss yarn.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by ogbonti: 7:35pm On Oct 20, 2016
aleshmotors:
whether u like it or not Yoruba not only control Benin but also heart of Delta warri .DAT is why we av Olu of warri as Oba of warrior. Olu is a Yoruba name


[b]I can see you are very ignorant. The name Olu of Warri was derived from Oba Olua of Benin, whose first son Prince Iginuwa (I guess you want to say Iginuwa is also yoruba name, LOL) was sent out of the palace because he was despised by the palace chiefs. His Father, Oba Olua was worried Prince Iginuwa may have problems ascending the throne after his demise, OR worse, he may be killed. So to settle the issue, while he was still alive, he had to send him away as the oracle (iha) commanded, to a distant land by the sea. He later became the first Ogiame.. (King of the Sea) Ogie (king) ame (water) because he journeyed to the present day warri via a sea route and the people of Iwere (nor Warri) did not know him, but were mesmerized by his presence and the princely entourage that came with him. So, when he was crowned, he assumed the title of Olua, (His father's name) of Iwere, which was later corrupted to Olu. AFONJAS, PLEASE, DO ME A FAVOR...... FIRSTLY, LEARN HOW TO READ, AND SECONDLY...... SECURE THE RESOURCES TO BUY HISTORY BOOKS AND THIRDLY.... HAVE THE DISCIPLINE TO READ IT AND LASTLY, .... BEG ORISA TO GIVE YOU THE BRAINS TO UNDERSTAND IT... [/b]


your Eko, Lagos that you all celebrate today, the center of yoruba civilization was created by Oba Oguola... he called it Ako (camp) which was later corrupted to Eko. where was your Ooni then when Oba Oguola dominated Lagos? please. At least the geographical evidence of today proves that Lagos is closer to Ife than Benin... DONT BE LAZY, READ YOUR HISTORY BOOK AND PRAY YOU UNDERSTAND AND HAVE THE HUMILITY TO ACCEPT ESTABLISHED TRUTHS ABOUT AFONJA NATION

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Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by ChappyChase: 7:36pm On Oct 20, 2016
Kirinwa:


Wrong answer. There was a mess. embarassed
Seriously.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 7:37pm On Oct 20, 2016
aleshmotors:
whether u like it or not Yoruba not only control Benin but also heart of Delta warri .DAT is why we av Olu of warri as Oba of warrior. Olu is a Yoruba name

Your problem is dat u dnt read, nt only are you ignorant you are also naive, so olu is a yoruba name therefore it is controlled by the yorubas....do you know the history of the title olu?
Instead of displaying your nativity, get a gud book about the history of these three kingdom, read and stop been ignorant

Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 7:44pm On Oct 20, 2016
ogbonti:



I can see you are very ignorant. The name Olu of Warri was derived from Oba Olua of Benin, whose first son Prince Iginuwa (I guess you want to say Iginuwa is also yoruba name, LOL) was sent out of the palace because he was despised by the palace chiefs his Father, Oba Olua was worried he may have problems ascending the throne after his demise. He later became the first Ogiame.. (King of the Sea) Ogie (king) ame (water) because he journeyed to the present day warri via a sea route and the people of Iwere (nor Warri) did not know him, but were mesmerized by his presence and the princely entourage that came with him. So, when he was crowned, he assumed the title of Olua, (His father's name) of Iwere, which was later corrupted to Olu. AFONJAS, PLEASE, DO ME A FAVOR...... FIRSTLY, LEARN HOW TO READ, AND SECONDLY...... SECURE THE RESOURCES TO BUY HISTORY BOOKS AND THIRDLY.... HAVE THE DISCIPLINE TO READ IT AND LASTLY, .... BEG ORISA TO GIVE YOU THE BRAINS TO UNDERSTAND IT...
dude i didn't even knw u have lectured the ignoramus......tell them benin is supreme, greater than all other kingdoms in Nigeria and Africa......

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Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by coded06(m): 7:46pm On Oct 20, 2016
ihimiray:
craze dey ur head, which bloody yoruba man... U people can think so stupidly

Thank you bro. for given that senseless boy a brain. stupidity is all over him already.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by DjAduba(m): 7:46pm On Oct 20, 2016
Millz404:
Calm down and don't be self centered
No mind her.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by olisaEze(m): 7:50pm On Oct 20, 2016
winj3:
This fool should be setting example for next generation by marrying ONE wife (1 man, 1 wife), instead he is living like his 6th century ancestors sleeping with the entire village and producing uncountable number of children!

these useless backward customs need to be abolished!

Have u heard of any sensible person referring 2d queen of England as "a fool"? This man's empire was once larger than the country u currently reside in.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 7:54pm On Oct 20, 2016
Wait i thought christians no dey marry morethan one wife, abi there are two laws one for the masses and the othe one for the kings?
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 7:56pm On Oct 20, 2016
ogbonti:



[b]I can see you are very ignorant. The name Olu of Warri was derived from Oba Olua of Benin, whose first son Prince Iginuwa (I guess you want to say Iginuwa is also yoruba name, LOL) was sent out of the palace because he was despised by the palace chiefs. His Father, Oba Olua was worried Prince Iginuwa may have problems ascending the throne after his demise, OR worse, he may be killed. So to settle the issue, while he was still alive, he had to send him away as the oracle (iha) commanded, to a distant land by the sea. He later became the first Ogiame.. (King of the Sea) Ogie (king) ame (water) because he journeyed to the present day warri via a sea route and the people of Iwere (nor Warri) did not know him, but were mesmerized by his presence and the princely entourage that came with him. So, when he was crowned, he assumed the title of Olua, (His father's name) of Iwere, which was later corrupted to Olu. AFONJAS, PLEASE, DO ME A FAVOR...... FIRSTLY, LEARN HOW TO READ, AND SECONDLY...... SECURE THE RESOURCES TO BUY HISTORY BOOKS AND THIRDLY.... HAVE THE DISCIPLINE TO READ IT AND LASTLY, .... BEG ORISA TO GIVE YOU THE BRAINS TO UNDERSTAND IT... [/b]


your Eko, Lagos that you all celebrate today, the center of yoruba civilization was created by Oba Oguola... he called it Ako (camp) which was later corrupted to Eko. where was your Ooni then when Oba Oguola dominated Lagos? please. At least the geographical evidence of today proves that Lagos is closer to Ife than Benin... DONT BE LAZY, READ YOUR HISTORY BOOK AND PRAY YOU UNDERSTAND AND HAVE THE HUMILITY TO ACCEPT ESTABLISHED TRUTHS ABOUT AFONJA NATION

Oba Oguola was a descendant of oranmiyan anyway, both the oba and Eko are still Yoruba. These are facts, I did not make it up.

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Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 7:58pm On Oct 20, 2016
gevisaf:


A jobless soul
and you? A useless soul
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by solpat(m): 8:02pm On Oct 20, 2016
bcomputer101:
A yoruba man ruling the great Edo people.



God bless the new King and his queens.
son of ODUDUWA

Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Moahmed: 8:02pm On Oct 20, 2016
[quote author=nwasinachi post=50367271] those women dey try o. I cant even imagine sharing my man with another woman, and nothing will ever make me sleep with a married man biko, theirs are theirs, while mine is mine [/quo

'si don there make pant dey wear you' if you know the number of ladies your man has sampled this month,you wull prefer polygamy to monogamy.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Moahmed: 8:03pm On Oct 20, 2016
[quote author=nwasinachi post=50367271] those women dey try o. I cant even imagine sharing my man with another woman, and nothing will ever make me sleep with a married man biko, theirs are theirs, while mine is mine [/quo

'si don there make pant dey wear you' if you know the number of ladies your man has sampled this month,you will prefer polygamy to monogamy.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by onward4life(m): 8:03pm On Oct 20, 2016
TrapQueen77:
Why they need to cover their mouth? lipsrsealed

OK just like Islam and Christianity encourages women to cover with veils.

You aren't suppose to see their teeth when they talk, when they out for functions and all.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by balosunky(m): 8:08pm On Oct 20, 2016
Pebcak:
grin
[size=18pt]This is really SAD going through comments on this thread why are people so bitter and going across board no he's Yoruba oh he's Igbo who fvcking cares. I am sorry to say Nigerian youths have really missed it and I see people's comment about the king and his queen covering their mouth this is a strong cultural event and its really sad to see people from Benin playing in the mud with tribalism here where this a chance to showcase your culture and teach us what this is all about. Please why are they covering their lips? this is to a real person from Benin that knows and understand their culture not some idiot that just want to score cheap points [/size]
it is a taboo to see the queen smiling or frowning so they have to covering the lips to part of their cheeks
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Chiderad(m): 8:11pm On Oct 20, 2016
TrapQueen77:
Why they need to cover their mouth? lipsrsealed

There is nothing the devil cannot use to confuse mankind.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by shaggyosas(m): 8:15pm On Oct 20, 2016
bcomputer101:
A yoruba man ruling the great Edo people.



God bless the new King and his queens.
son of ODUDUWA
Have you ever asked yourself where the so called Oduduwa came from. In case you don't know Oduduwa was the exiled prince of the Oba of Benin. That was why when the Edo people needed a King, they came to him. And because he felt a King does not leave the people he ruled over (which at that time was the yorubas), he decided to give them one of his sons. The Edo people have always ruled the yorubas.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 8:17pm On Oct 20, 2016
Aigbofa:


Oba Oguola was a descendant of oranmiyan anyway, both the oba and Eko are still Yoruba. These are facts, I did not make it up.
Get a book and read, if u do u will knw dat oranmiyan is a benin prince whose father brought civilisation and art to ife and was sent by his father izoduwa (corrupted to oduduwa) who left benin on exile....

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Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 8:19pm On Oct 20, 2016
It seems Hillary Clinton has been representing Death Row Records at all 3 debates?

Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by kolaish(m): 8:21pm On Oct 20, 2016
shaggyosas:

I'm sorry to say but your statement shows you are lost in your culture. Have you ever asked yourself where the so called Oduduwa came from. In case you don't know Oduduwa was the exiled prince of the Oba of Benin. That was why when the Edo people needed a King, they came to him. And because he felt a King does not leave the people he ruled over (which at that time was the yorubas), he decided to give them one of his sons. The Edo people have always ruled the yorubas.
Benins' and Yorubas' are the same. I am a Yoruba man but most of my best friend are benins. I like benin culture very well and regarded them as my tribe. One of my best music even up till now is Benita's music (Weose, Weose), not to talk of late Sunny Okosun. Please no need to abuse each other, we are one.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 8:26pm On Oct 20, 2016
peterpen:

Get a book and read, if u do u will knw dat oranmiyan is a benin prince whose father brought civilisation and art to ife and was sent by his father izoduwa (corrupted to oduduwa) who left benin on exile....

Oranmiyan was the last child of Oduduwa, the Ife king, he was sent to Benin to become the first Oba of Benin after the Ogiso dynasty. He left his son Eweka to ascend the throne and returned to start the Oyo dynasty. This bit of history is accepted by both Yoruba and the Benins.

The only contention is the Ekalederhan story. So, my question is; if the Ekalederhan story is true why did the Benins have to return the head of their dead obas to Ife.

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Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by jossy4joseph(m): 8:29pm On Oct 20, 2016
bcomputer101:
A yoruba man ruling the great Edo people.



God bless the new King and his queens.
son of ODUDUWA

Ur craze just dey start...who know yoruba? Useless pple wey hausa pple take dey play ball
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by kolaish(m): 8:33pm On Oct 20, 2016
Aigbofa:


Oranmiyan was the last child of Oduduwa, the Ife king, he was sent to Benin to become the first Oba of Benin after the Ogiso dynasty. He left his son Eweka to ascend the throne and returned to start the Oyo dynasty. This bit of history is accepted by both Yoruba and the Benins.

The only contention is the Ekalederhan story. So, my question is; if the Ekalederhan story is true why did the Benins have to return the head of their dead obas to Ife.
My good brother, don't waste your time. I am proud of Benin people, we need not start differentiating ourselves. all the benin people I have met have been good people, even my best friend wife is a benin woman. we are one.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Pebcak: 8:33pm On Oct 20, 2016
balosunky:
it is a taboo to see the queen smiling or frowning so they have to covering the lips to part of their cheeks

Thanks, do they have to do that all the time or it's just for the duration of the coronation? also if you have any other information about the process of crowning the King pls share
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by agoodman(m): 8:35pm On Oct 20, 2016
BALLOSKI:
grin grin royal foursome.
chai...royal enjoyment. grin
BALLOSKI:
grin grin royal foursome.
chai...royal enjoyment.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by kolaish(m): 8:35pm On Oct 20, 2016
jossy4joseph:


Ur craze just dey start...who know yoruba? Useless pple wey hausa pple take dey play ball
Easy. This is just a comment from someone who want to start what he cannot finish. Yoruba and benin are all one. You need not because of him start insulting the whole yoruba race.
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 8:39pm On Oct 20, 2016
BornStunner1:




FACTS ABOUT THE YORUBAS AKA AFONJAS
( 1 ) . Their story of
kingship began with Edo
prince and the Benin
recorded History .
( 2 ) . Ayayi crawder said,
little were know about
yoruba existence,
meaning they were not
part of Nigeria of today
boarder or were in small
settlement close to
dahomy. yoruba are half
muslims and those with
African traditions copied or got them from Benin
civilization . I doubt if they not immigrants from dahomy
mix with Benins or other fulani- hausa from Niger
. Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c . 1809 – 31
December 1891 ) Was the first African Anglican bishop
in Nigeria . Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local
Government, Oyo State , Nigeria ) . His grandson was
Herbert Macaulay
( 3 ) . Yoruba have dublicity of kingship with the process
highly politized to being traditional . A system they try
copy from Benin but can 't get it real like the Benin
Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered
institutions in the world because of the way it has
sustained its awesome prestige with strict and
meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour ,
discipline and integrity . Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be
bought or conferred on non- indigenes or frivolously .
Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty
and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make
sense , therefore , to think that a people who would not
and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-
indigenes, would voluntarily invite , accept, or surrender
to non- indigenes as their kings . Due to celestial
origins , the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle
for contracts .
( 4 ) . Most of today
yoruba religion are
Benin Origin , Olokun ,
Ogun , Iha oguega (ifa ) ,
oronmila, Esago
(shango ) , Ayelala etc .
Many Benin traditions
and spirituality are
stillfully documented by
yorubas in high places
as YORUBA ? (Never mind the Edo man ' s christian
mindset quickly dening Edo have niothing to do with
African traditional religion , agreeing they are foriegn to
Edoland . . . LIE ) .
Although the Great Edo ( Benin ) Kingdom were not major
participants in the trans- Atlantic slave trade , because
the Obas (Kings ) believed that their subjects were too
valuable to sell away , and their noblemen had need of
war captives on their own farms , the influence of Edo
religion and medicine has still been substantial upon
the people of the Americas .
According to Mason (1996 ) , it has been widely
accepted that Olokun ( god of the sea ) worship
originated with the Edo and spread to the Yoruba ( p. 2) .
In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural
traditions that has made its mark in the New World is
Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters ) worship
originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent
at Ughoton around the Ethiope ( Olokun) River . The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time . Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period , trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders . Prior to the
Oba Period , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into
Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton ,
before his moving westward with his followers to
establish Ilefe ( Ero , 1999 , p . 108- 109) .
Once he arrived , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe , which could be what yoruba call
IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa ’ s loins , the Yoruba
dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that
Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the
outlying Yoruba areas.

It's a mere idol, satanic link, Olokun this man is seriously coveting, And fighting over like this. Na wa o.

You guys can come over to Yoruba land and pack all the other idols in the land, like Sango, osun, oya, yemoja, etc.

Imagine how many lines this guy wrote to buttress non-existent facts! Come to The National Archive, in the Premier University, University of Ibadan, And see the true history, with artifacts, of every tribe, kingdom and culture, in Nigeria.

Most of the rituals, festivals, initiation, And other satanic entanglements you guys are celebrating, will certainly take you away from God, now on earth and in his coming kingdom.

Who Satan pep
Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by Nobody: 8:39pm On Oct 20, 2016
kolaish:
My good brother, don't waste your time. I am proud of Benin people, we need not start differentiating ourselves. all the benin people I have met have been good people, even my best friend wife is a benin woman. we are one.


I agree completely with you, they are good people and I have nothing against them. I'm just interested in facts.

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Re: 3 Wives Of Oba Of Benin, Eheneden Erediauwa (Photos) by andyanders: 8:41pm On Oct 20, 2016
Don't think they are all that beautiful per say.Just normal ladies or women per say.

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