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Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by folem: 4:33am On Nov 08, 2009 |
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Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by proudly9ja(m): 12:26pm On Nov 08, 2009 |
^^^ So that we do not spend too much time on this issue arguing and also so that it doesn't seem like I am against the person of Fortune Chukwudi, a player I do not know and Ive never met in my life, Ild like to make this my rounding up post on this thread. First and foremost, the question we have to ask ourselves is, what is the U17 and other age grade competition for? The competition was started by FIFA to help member nations develop their youth system and thus have 'feeder' teams into their senior teams which compete for the senior world cup every four years. It is also meant to promote and expose YOUNG footballers to football at the global level from a very young age. Unfortunately, as a country (and I am not limiting the cheating syndrome to Nigeria alone, I am only using Nigeria as it is my constituency), we have rubbished the aims just so we could enjoy immediate glory. For those who keep harping on the MRI scan, I think we need to sit back and think a bit. We all know, at least most of us know that the MRI scan is not a definitive method of knowing someone's true age. Infact, the machine only gives a range and even at that, it is prone to errors. However, it can tell if you are still 'young' or not. But even that is not always true for all individuals. In a society like ours where record keeping is a problem and we are always interested in deceiving ourselves, if the NFF body was truly interested in using real young players for these competitions, then there are checks it could use to guard against cheating. For one, primary, secondary school certificates are easy ways of checking. A player can never be an U17 player in Nigeria if he/she finished secondary school over 2 or 3 years back. Don't get me wrong, people finish secondary school at early ages, but to be in secondary school and be involved actively in football is a hard task for anyone. Thus that is one way of checking. Another way and I think though this may be a bit stressful but should help us in the long run is to make the names and pictures of the players public months before the competition. The coach chooses his team from a pool of over 40 players. This list should be on National TV and Newspaper for the whole nation to see. Therefore, if there's anyone there who went to secondary school with you and is claiming U17, he would easily be fished out. Ofcourse, you do not base your decisions on every thing someone says but at least, that player is flagged for investigation and once people know that there is such a system in place, it would be hard for them to try cheating in future especially if there is a punishment attached to potential cheats. In my submission, I personally think the NFF body is not serious about detecting age cheats. They are also not serious about using real young players for these competitions. What they are interested in is their pocket (some of these players are being managed by NFF execs) and also in immediate glory all to the detriment of the Nation. If they were, there are loads of genuine academies all around the Nation that a coach can choose his players from. When you choose a player who has been playing for a professional side in Nigeria for years for the U17 competition, we are only courting trouble. I hope FIFA does not find us out (I doubt it if they will) but its not because of the present players but only because of future players who will miss out of competitions because of our mistakes now. Nigeria lost so much when we were banned for the 1991 edition. I hope it doesnt happen again. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by proudly9ja(m): 7:45pm On Nov 08, 2009 |
I thought the last post would be my rounding up post on this thread but I just saw this response from Adokie on kickoffnigeria.com and thought some of us will like to read. Adokiye: I have documentary evidence |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 11:31am On Nov 09, 2009 |
Well. NFF over to you. And would someone please tell me the Job Description or WOrk of the NFF Technical Consultant. because we also have a white dude performing some technical consultancy for the NFF and as this competition progresses, What is Mr. FESTUS ONIGBINDE doing and what has he done as NFF Technical Consultant |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by komekn(m): 7:00pm On Nov 09, 2009 |
What are the implications for Nigeria if it is established that we fielded a number of over age players in a tournament that we have hosted as well as participated in and may possibly win We can all agree that corruption is the prevalent and overriding ingredient in all things governmental in Nigeria. So we are not in doubt that the NFF is corrupt, I don’t think we know the extent of vested interest by agents and NFF officials in our sports management of football. If a player gets signed up abroad do you know how much some NFF individuals stand to gain? Now you can see where greed will negate national interest, truth, honesty, integrity, etc,etc. The issue of overage players is the tip of the iceberg, to ask the question about the validity of their ages is to insult the intelligence of all Nigerians, the true culprits are the NFF. Now I am in a dilemma to hope that we should not get caught or expect righteousness and therefore desire for us to get caught. As we should know righteousness exalts a nation. Adokiye I really do not have any issue with his approach I am sure that he would have told a number of NFF officials, what would be there consideration, truth or dishonest gain Finally this soup called corruption, stealing and deceit is served regularly in the NFF. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by centrica: 11:19pm On Nov 10, 2009 |
Hello everyone in the house, can some one tell me how much Adokiye The ex Nigerian international have collected for this job, he has taken upon his shoulder, by destroying this young man.He is telling us in one of his publicaton that he has evidence to support his claim, why now, he suppose to have come up with this allegation at least few weeks before the event, why now, or is it the boys are doing well, he should remember that who ever destroy others in other to make it in life should know that destruction await him at the edge of his own breakthrough. To me he should keep the evidence his having to himself and his family , and he should leave the young man alone, nobody is interested in his evidence, i mean he suppose to have let the cat out of the bag long ago not now, that the boys are doing well. The under 20 boys that perform badly the other day no body complaint about them. To me the man has interior motive about all these, is not about been a patrotic nigerian. That man should shot up , he should stop playing to the gallery,if is looking for position this is not the best way to go about it. One love naija, wishing the boys all the best in their semi final match. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by Sagamite(m): 11:45pm On Nov 10, 2009 |
centrica: I am sure there is lack of Omega 3 fatty acids in your diet. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by FBS: 8:55am On Nov 11, 2009 |
Initially I wanted to ignore some very nonsense posts here but nah. . . I will take y'all on! Where are those acting like Voltron - The defender of the universe? Fighting for what is just. Fighting for fairness and balance? Need I remind you that Voltron is an American animated television series adaptation? How many of you can boldly say he is upright and just in his/her daily lives. I can bet that most of you are cheats and that is the main reason why it is easy for you to detect one. Let’s assume for a second that these boys are U-45! Fine, no wahala. . . My questions are: a) What do we do about it? Recall the boys back? If you cannot answer that question, abeg, forever hold your peace! b) Allow the boys to continue what they are doing and once the tourney is over, we should take the cup from them (assuming they emerge victorious) and give it to the second placed team? - If you cannot answer this one too, please forever hold your peace! c) Recall the boys, write to FIFA, NFF, PDP, UNICEF, WHO, CNN, BBC and demand that Nigeria be banned from further competition until we get our acts right? Again, if you cannot answer this, this time, do yourself a favor, GET LOST! It is easy for most of you to sit behind the comfort of your home and type simple because you have a keyboard but what REAL people do is bring about CHANGE. Ok, these boys are over 17 and you want us to believe this? Where is the proof? Facially or Amiesimaka's locked up evidence? Or because one western[i]omically[/i] brainwashed element so? In defense of my own case, I have 2 authentic proofs. The MRI Scan approved by FIFA (I don't give a bleeding heck what you think but it is proven to be accurate at least to a very high percentage) and their BCs. Those that failed were dropped. (Read this) http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Sport/Football/5449538-147/At_last_NFF_admits_15_failed.csp or http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Sport/Football/5446845-147/Flying_Eagles_ready_for_MRI_Scan-Siasia.csp What you should all do is carry out investigative journalism and show us that indeed NFF is a hoax. Believe me I, will accept my gullibility if it turns out so. Anything short of that is NOT acceptable. It is not enough to keep on rambling about how old the boys are if you don't intend to show us the basis of your argument. Heck, I'm ready to foot the bill (flight tickets, hotel, cars etc) but guess what; I don't trust any of you because you are all worse than these boys. I will rather support them than listen to any of you. Y'all is a fraud. The case of Amiesimaka is pathetic. He had/have evidence before the tourney started but decided to ONLY talk (not actually providing the evidence) about it mid-way through the tourney and you expect us to take him serious? So because he served as a justice commissioner means he is the truth? (Aaadonka -AG and he is FRAUD NO 1) What were his achievements as the chairman/coach (I've never heard of that before) of Sharks? You can bleat all day about the age of these boys but that is really not my concern. Those boys are playing footie like it should be played with grit and passion. They have answered the call of their Motherland and have responded in the right and proper way something most of you only talk about but fail to show. As for me, I have nothing against them. They make me happy with the way they play. They play like their lives depends on it and actually I, think it does. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by Sagamite(m): 11:00am On Nov 11, 2009 |
@ FBS, I would gladly answer your questions if you can tell me you are basically saying you believe that a 12 year old played in the NPL and scored 25 goals in 50 matches. Are you saying that is not better proof than your MRI scan? |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by Sagamite(m): 11:08am On Nov 11, 2009 |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 11:19am On Nov 11, 2009 |
@all. Let us consider these scenarios for one fleeting moment (since we are all in the high-spirits of football) 1: The MRI scan was performed by the NFF/FIFA on our players, FIFA performs random spot tests they do not target an entire team for her scan. 2: Let us assume that we come tops in this competition and carry the trophy, and protests from other countries start to reek in and FIFA decides to perform an MRI Test and Adokiyie presents his evidence (beyond reasonable doubt), what then 3: is FIFA fully aware of the Nigerian Captains status and simply want this competition to carry on to the end before slamming us with a ban and retrieving the trophy our boys fought hard to win (albeit with suspected over-aged players). The question here is not whether Adokiyie is evil, pathetic and cruel bastard! rather it is why we fielded an over-aged player against the FIFA rules, whether or not we knew about it and how he passed MRI scan won't be the focus at the end of the day. I fear the day CNN will rush to headline the news. Today on breaking news, Nigeria became the first nation to return a FIFA WorldCup trophy for allegedly fielding over-aged players. then it would not matter whether Adokiyie was the cause of our global shame-fest or whether chukwudi passed MRI or whether FIFA should be blamed for waiting uptill the end of the competition. Our words here would not matter either. Everytime we step out to any under 16-21 competitions, the age of our players will be in doubt |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by switch47(m): 11:28am On Nov 11, 2009 |
@FBS I totally Nigerians are here vomitting the right thing in a wrong way in what seems to be in bad faith. the people we are competing against knows exactly what to do, if they feel strongly that there was serious cheating. they will do so intelligently and not make noise during the tournament. the competition is still on and any speculative urttrances backed or not with more speculative gist gotten or read from the pages of newspapers can as well wait till the end of the competition. Right now- i dey enjoy the games and nothing can stop that!! |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by Sagamite(m): 11:34am On Nov 11, 2009 |
lagerwhenindoubt: No, the higher level question for me is how some Nigerians can have a mentality where the truth is obvious to them but they would rather protect a lie for the sake of glory won fraudulently and then complain about similar in their society. These are the same people that would complain about how bad things are when a building collapses in Lagos and kills tens because it was built poorly. Not realising the engineer behind it is a product of their mentality as his parents bought him the exam question papers days before the exam just to achieve glory fraudulently and celebrate with owambe party at their childs graduation and say "at least everyone else is doing it, so why shouldn't we do it for our child. Do you want him to fail?". Who are you to prove he is not qualified to build a house or bridge? Why are you hating on him and trying to pour water in his garri? |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by FBS: 11:52am On Nov 11, 2009 |
Sagamite:Sagamite, be kind enough to answer the questions first. Then we can take it from there. You yourself wrote somewhere that Adokiyie's utterances made you to stop supporting the boys. i.e you was indeed supporting them before that. Yes or true? Do you mean to tell me that your belief changed in that second/minute you read his article? My friend go and sit down somewhere if you have nothing to say. With such a mentality, you are even more gullible than I thought. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by switch47(m): 11:54am On Nov 11, 2009 |
If the truth is so obvious, why isnt FIFA, New zLand, Korea, Argentina, Germany , complaining During the competition anddisturbing those who are interested in the games? they know there are better timing and ways to do things if they will. their citizens are not even making a mountain out of it on the sites i have visited. they talkabout the games like humans. wetin dem for pour for garri before? petrol? what most people are even saying here are hear say!! |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by Sagamite(m): 12:10pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
FBS: You have to answer that my simple question for me to see whether you have enough reasoning for me to be engaging in a likely long debate with. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by FBS: 12:12pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
Sagamite:You may call me whatever that comes to your mind. It's a public forum and anyone and everyone is entitled to be stupid (It's not a crime to be) so no shakes. I asked the questions first and if you cannot answer them, forever hold your peace. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by Sagamite(m): 12:39pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
FBS: My time is very precious. I would need to test an individual that is stupid enough to defend a criminal with record, wanted in London for ongoing investigations into unexplained millions of pounds whilst he was governor and has refused to set foot in UK since then, and whose accomplices have been jailed for money laundering. I wouldn't engage in senseless "without doubt" arguments [note the omission of "reasonable" in the quote] with such a person. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by FBS: 12:54pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
Sagamite:This is to say the least disgraceful. Is this the politics section? I made it a point of duty not to derail this thread. Could you be kind enough to do same? If not because you are how should I say this, obtuse in nature, why do you have to make reference to that? Mind you, I NEVER defended him. My stand was, Ribadu is NOT a saint. (Heck, why I dey waste my time explain to someone who cannot see past his nose or maybe you should learn to read peoples post properly?) You were asked a very simple question with 3 options and you are here telling us the reason why the next day after Wednesday is Thursday. If your time is precious, take it and jump together with it into the lagoon. Who are you? And we all wonder why the the world is in such a state? Pathetic to say the least. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by harmeenut: 2:51pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
Well Well, he has come up with a photo evidence [img][/img] As far as I'm concerned, you dont need any proof to discover 99% of players are over-aged. But my problem is why coming out at this time & not before the tournament when the list has been released. It massively points to something of a vendetta especially if we can investigate the manner the guy left Sharks & the relationship between him the Adokiye. Will he had done the same thing if he is a member of the LOC? Although he has come up a defense that he actually wrote NFF but was ignored. This is where the blame goes to to NFF. Also I think Chukwudi himself should have shut up instead of running his mouth against Amaesiamaka. http://www.saharareporters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4211:nigeria-golden-eaglets-captain-7-years-ago&catid=58:football&Itemid=182 I maintain that apart from the captain almost if not all the players (as it had been from the past & most African Players) are over-aged but everybody should remember we all got skeletons in our cupboards. Adokiye should remember he's not only disgracing the guy but the nation as a whole before the international community. He should remember that people can also dig out his past either as football administrator or as commisioner for Justice in river state. I bet he cant come to say he didnt steal a kobo in either of these positions. When you point a finger to a fellow human being, the rest are pointing back at you.
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Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by centrica: 2:52pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
FBS don't mind sagamite, he is a very engocentric mind, as for me i still maintain my stand that the Ex nigeria international is only executing a paid job, or better still is looking for self recongnition at the expense of destroying others to leave. otherwise he supoose to have come out with is evidence long ago, not now that the young man is at the edge of his breakthrough in football carrier. Brothers, let forget about that old man idealogy and enjoy the Game of football. To me each time i watch those boys playing, i do really enjoy it. Let's keep the flag flying one love naija. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by proudly9ja(m): 2:57pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
Now that we have seen photo evidence, do we need another proof? |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by Sagamite(m): 3:08pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
@ harmeenut What is your point? You want to tell me those guys in that pix are not all U-10? Come off it, son! Get me and FBS real proof that they are not 10 year olds that look 24 because of suffering. Your pix is not even proof they did not take that pix yesterday and they misled Chukwudi to join so they can set him up like Ibori. FBS awaits quality proof from you. You are just a useless soul they have paid to destroy Chukwudi! Bloody garri spoiler. Carry your sand dey go jor. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by centrica: 3:12pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
Harmeenut, don't worry your self, initially, i knew it that , The old man is playing to a script or executing a paid job, why is he coming up with the photo now, i mean he suppose to have shown this photo to support is claim to the NFF, why now at the mid of the event, He want to prove that he is Mr clean, he has forgotten that any man that destroy others to leave, destruction shall surely be his portion at his own door. Let the old man keep on playing to the gallery, surely he will meet his own waterloo. Why is the man so wicked, you see a young man succeding, and you are trying every means to pull him down. Did he want to say that through out his carrier he did not have any skeleton in his cupboard, let see what he want to achieve in doing this paid job he has collected. I wish the eaglet all the best, more grease to their elbow, one love naija. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by Sagamite(m): 3:16pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
centrica: Fool, you mean the way Abacha was succeeding and you all wanted to destroy him? Or Tafa Balogun and Alams? |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by proudly9ja(m): 3:55pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
Sagamite, honestly, you must be very wicked. It is people like you that are destroying Nigeria. Can't you see someone suceeding and leave him alone? Ibori is suceeding buying Jets, you people want to pull him down. Fortune and his mates are suceeding and you people want to bring them down. So what if he is overaged? He can be 40 for we care, as long as we win the cup playing with our younger brothers. And what do you mean calling them agbayas? Is it a crime to use overaged players? Afterall, other countries are doing it too and we have been doing it since 1985 and won 3 cups. Never mind that we never fulfill our potentials at senior level but it doesn't matter. What matters is immediate glory. So sagamite, mind your business o. Same thing to Adokie. All of you people should keep quiet. When the boys sorry men win the competition, we will welcome them in Abuja with smiles on our faces. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by Sagamite(m): 4:11pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
^^^^ And this is the most irritating thing for me. http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/matches/round=253807/match=300102247/photolist.html#1124349 http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/teams/team=1888317/photolist.html#1131364 http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/teams/team=1888317/photolist.html#1131139 http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/teams/team=1888317/photolist.html#1129453 They somehow are the most religious. Holy ghost power and Allahu akbar everywhere like their crooked politicians. Result is this http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/photo/photolist.html#1131142 http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/photo/photolist.html#1131099 http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/photo/photolist.html#1130983 Hard working genuine schoolboys worked to the bone by old men. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by centrica: 5:08pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
Hello sagamite, you have shown clearly that you are one of the bastard nigerian that use left hand to describe his father's house, all you just want is to pull this young man down, surely you can not achieve that you and that old man. You should try and pull everyone in your family down first before coming out to that young man, i know you and the old man have been paid to carry out this evil act, otherwise, what did you stand to gain by doing so, surely, you have your own past which you are keeping as a secret. Remeber that,the young man have been destined to make it in life through that carrer, their is nothing you and the old man can do about it. harmenut, don't bother your self any more about sagamite, surely, is one of the bad element in the society, only God knows how many people he has destroy in the society. I rest my case. one love naija, surely i will watch those boys life @ Teslim balogun tommorrow. One love naija. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by Sagamite(m): 5:17pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
centrica: My God!!! The retardation the poor education system in Nigeria has created. I am sure this fool is one of the ones left without a benefactor since Adedibu died. Gutter reasoning! |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by TEEZERO(m): 5:24pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
This is the moment for President Yaradua to forcibly drag this country from the abyss we have by our own actions and inactions have sank it. First, he should ask FIFA to disqualify the team. Second, he should sack the Sports Minister. Third, he should set up a JUDICIAL Commission of Inquiry to probe this rot. Fourth, ensure that the findings are implemented to the core. Rawlings will look like child's play. |
Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by MrCrackles(m): 5:25pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
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Re: Fortune Chukwudi (Under-17 Captain) Is At Least 25 Years Old by DrKitaun(m): 6:37pm On Nov 11, 2009 |
seriously I am going to be forced to declare this publicly ; anyone that doesnt understand what footie politics is about doesnt have any business wasting his cafe credits here . . .LOL to think the same Adokiye the traitor of the Ogoi people, the same one that is government was never bereft of controversy, the same one who was accused of usurping other people's duties as a Chairman of Sharks, the same one who is seeking cheap publicity in the midst of a FIFA competition decides it proper to bring up a photo of Fortune at Sharks . . .what does that mean ? does this same picture reveal what time it was taken ? abeg make Adokiye go sit down somewhere jare . . . FBS . . .no just mind alll these holier than thou people . . . .do they even know where the ANTICHRIST will emanate from ? I guess some of them will say NIGERIA |
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