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Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:16pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
4kings: Now Its apparent you don't know what an appeal to authority is . Here's a quick example 4kings : My dad said the earth is flat King Ebuka : Is he a cosmologist , geophysicist ? 4kings : No , he is a businessman King Ebuka : But .. Business has nothing to do with the shape of the earth 4kings : He is my dad so he is right Here you appealing to authority ( your dad) who is not an expert in the field concerned with the topic of discussion . Scholars are experts here , so we pay attention to them to guide us to the truth . 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:19pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
4kings: Abeg go and sit down You are the trying to evade your shitty logic Since Mark didn't mention the virgin birth therefore its not true ; then since all Gospel indited the resurrection event , therefore it is true Next time you think before you type 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 11:23pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I have ALWAYS been open to the Gnostic point of view, and you know this. So you know what I would go for already, stop being sly.. |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:24pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
4kings: The point remains that people just 40 years after the death of Christ -in the first century - accepted the virgin birth . Whatever you think of them is of no importance . Case closed . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:27pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
4kings: Lol , mi good bro Relax No slying here You didn't even mention the Gnostic whatever when you talked of virgin birth in the first place The simple truth is that you felt that since Mark didn't mention the virgin birth therefore such never happened ; the same logic has to be applied in the resurrection event in Christ's life : since all four gospels noted it , therefore such did happen . End of story Case closed . 1 Like |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:37pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
So done and dusted . More contributions on the topic please May Christ who was born through the virgin birth , died , resurrected and ascended to Heaven bless you Amen 2 Likes |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 12:46pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Nope, the only record of their existence was quoted by Eusebius the liar, however the Ebionites were in existence for a 1000 years. The movement of Nazarene who belived in a virgin birth, started in the late 2nd century then to the 3rd century. Consider this: The ebionites(who were mostly Gnostics) lived for about a 1000 years, were followers of John the baptist and Jesus. For this group of people to have existed during the lifetime of Jesus, and still denied the virgin birth, simply means it was not heard of before. The virgin birth was first mentioned by Eusebius(as usual) and some of the Romans Leaders, who were trying to form a religion with Constantine, for decorum in the Roman era. When Constantine brought up the idea of forming a Religion, the council of nicea actually took a vote, to elect the "new universally accepted God" for the romans to worship, amongst the ones that were existing in those days, this includes Jupiter, Neptune, Mithra and many more. Constantine instructed Eusebius to compile a uniform collection of new writings developed from primary aspects of the religious texts submitted at the council. His instructions were: "Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake." Constantine believed in the Sun God called "Mithras", 5 gods were chosen out of the rest that was brouht forward, then Constantine decided on the name to give this new God and he chose to combine Hesus and Krishna(meaning Christ in Sanskrit) and thus the name was formed Hesus Krishna, which later developed to jesus Christ as time went by The virgin birth was a concept popularly known amongst Krishna followers, centuries before Paul There was never a mention or prophecy of the virgin birth as popularly believed in the old scriptures, Isaiah was refering to a young woman in that passage that would give birth during his time. The word "almah" was used in that verse(Isaiah 7) which means "young woman", "betulah" means virgin and was a commonly understood term for referring to a woman who had not met with a man. As written in the Gospel, Jesus was so popular, then how come this miraculous news was not known by his followers or recorded in the very first books of the new Gospel or is it not worthy of attention. Gnosticism was most likely what Paul was preaching as i've told you before, Ebionites were mostly Gnostics and existed for years even during the time of Mohammed. Cheers 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 12:55pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Nope, i never based my belief on mark, I dont just believe in Fairy tales anyhow. Gnostics on the other hand, which i talk about regularly, have been in existence for centuries and they don't believe in a virgin birth. The Ebionites and Paul were MOST LIKELY Gnostic, i've told you this before even on other threads, so whenever i talk about the bible i also consider the Gnostics too. Case not Closed |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 12:55pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:You wish |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 12:57pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Yikes! |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by hahn(m): 1:01pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
4kings: Unfortunately, kingebukasblog is anti-commonsense 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 1:03pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
hahn:No mind that boy... |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:18pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
4kings: This is a blatant red herring and has absolutely nothing to do with the argument . I provided evidence from multiple sources to prove my point . Stop regurgitating bullshiit you read somewhere in order to force a false conclusion , stay in line with the argument next time. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:20pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
hahn: That young man needs to start being logical . Presuppositions , red herrings , and fallacies are really bad . |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:21pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
4kings: Seriously you don't know what an appeal to authority is? Surprised ? Yes Shocked ? No Because its 4kings 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:25pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
4kings: This guy and his foolish talk . Paul was not a Gnostic neither were all the Ebionites . Stop making idiotic assumptions to sustain your delusion . I'm tired of repeating myself honestly . Its obvious you are deluded because I have provided cogent evidence that refutes your claims . 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by jonbellion(m): 2:44pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Shut up You're lucky I've not been around your idiocy and love for asshole has been exposed here https://www.nairaland.com/3570678/kissing-hanks-ass-look-religious |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:50pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
jonbellion: Your nairaland account , your opinion . By the way , it's shallow and insipid Try something intellectual by responding to the question I asked you about the expansion of the space here :https://www.nairaland.com/3553021/conclusion-atheism-illogical-atheist-delusion 1 Like |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 11:28pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:What "multiple sources" are you talking about? All their claims(if you are talking about Nazarene & Ebionites) were from Eusebius. I just gave you reasons why it might be false(coming from Eusebius), and you are hear talking trash... If you can't defend your delusion, just say this simple words "I believe by Faith" and stop talking trash. |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 11:30pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Why was Paul not a Gnostic? |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:44pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
4kings: He talked about the Preeminence of Christ , the Incarnation of Christ and He experienced Christophanies . No paucity of evidence shows He is a Gnostic . Its an outlandish claim 1 Like |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:45pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
4kings: Eusebius came 200 years after the Ebionites and Nazarenes . Go back to bed . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 11:48pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I don't think you understand basic Gnosticism very well... A Gnostic can also come up with those same argument. Let me ask you, what do you think Gnosticism is about? |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 11:51pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Just like he came years after Josephus but was the first to quote a non-existing paragraph. You better stop posting silly rebuttals |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:54pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
4kings: Gnosticism is a dualistic movement . Just like Zoroastrianism . The dualism in Gnosticism has already rejected Paul he does not even need to reject it . And Gnosticism is kind of mystical . Almost like Esoteric Christianity |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:56pm On Jan 13, 2017 |
4kings: You are the one making silly presuppositions - obviously what you read somewhere without being skeptical as usual since it seems to discredit Christianity , gorged on it and regurgitating here . Trying to fit non existent evidence into what you believe . Go and prepare for school bro |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 12:02am On Jan 14, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:You are being dishonest. Gnostic reference Paul in most of their teachings, I don't know what Zoroastrianism is? Stop being dishonest. |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:05am On Jan 14, 2017 |
4kings: Lol . Remember when you said that you don't know much about the labels you give yourself . This is one of it . You don't even know what Gnosticism is . Na wa oo Dishonest ko 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 12:21am On Jan 14, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I wonder what you are referring to as Gnosticism. Maybe this link would help you : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism_and_the_New_Testament?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C9040498400 |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 12:21am On Jan 14, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:What makes them silly, replying you is actually stressing me right now. |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:42am On Jan 14, 2017 |
4kings: There were gnostic interpretations of Paul's teachings not that Paul Himself was a Gnostic . Just like Pauline Christianity who also took teachings of Paul and made different conflations with it and the Gnostic teachings of the Gospel . Like I earlier said , Gnosticism was dualistic . The existing realm is agathokakological - composed of good and evil . The spirit realm is good and the physical realm is evil (dualistic : opposite in nature ) . Gnostics believe that salvation is gotten through divine knowledge and Paul Himself said it was through faith by grace not by our works Ephesians 2:8–9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Now , if the physical is evil that means Christ who came to the world is evil ? Now they circumvented this problem by saying that Christ was physical but not actually real . Then how did Christ die and resurrect if He wasn't real in the first place ? Romans 4: 23-25 23 But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, 24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, 25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification. Paul's teachings were obviously interpreted the Gnostic way just like the Gospels not that Paul himself was a Gnostic . The above verse shows clearly that Paul supported the death and resurrection of Christ that permitted the possibility of salvation not through any form of knowledge like the Gnostics believe that will save you from darkness Last bullet : 1 Gnosticism predated Christianity and Paul warned Christians that they should not be inveigled with philosophy and empty deceit according to the elemental spirits of the world . Colossians 2:6-8 6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving. 8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ. 2. Gnostics believe in a lesser diety (sort of ) while Paul himself said : Colossians 2:9 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Godhead is Theotes in Greek and it means deity - this shows Christ is the personal and bodily manifestation of all the fullness of Deity . He is God incarnate . Paul never mentioned any lesser deity who ruled any particular realm . He saw Christ as Yahweh's equal / 2 Likes |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 5:45am On Jan 14, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:So Gnosticism does not reject Paul again abi. this boy & his wahala sef....
You're getting it wrong as usual. Gnosticism does not subscribe to the concept of "Salvation from sin", but that through Gnosis one is free from Ignorance. There is no Hell or Heaven here.
**Good and Evil planes** You don't even understand the Gnostic Demiurge. SMH
The death and resurrection of Jesus to Gnostics, simply explain the evolution of the soul(or consciousness), from denial or death of Ego to a rising consciousness.
Oh Pneumatic learn to reason properly. Really?
One of the core beliefs of Mainstream Christianity is that Jesus Christ was qualified to be the saviour of the world because he became fully human, as shown in Hebrews2:7 “ Therefore , it was necessary for him [ Christ] to be made in every respect like us , his brothers and sisters…” But this presents a silly Contradiction, when reading the scripture you posted(Col2:9), because if we are not God then Christ was not made in every respect like me, because he is God. Comprende? You might bring up silly argument that Jesus was both fully divine and fully human. This does not make any sense because you would also be saying Jesus had an infinite divine mind and a finite divine mind. This is in itself contradictory again, because Flying Spaghetti Monster cannot be real and unreal at the same time. Now let's dive in to the Gnostic interpretation of that scripture by a Gnostic Paul In order to make sense of what that scripture was talking about==> Jesus could not be God and be like everyone else(Heb2:7), unless we are gods too. Lets look at that scripture again from another angle. “ For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily . ” The Greek word used for the word "him" is "autos", also a reflective pronoun for the word "self" If you put the word "the self", then you would see clearly that Paul was talking about us(the Godhead). But wait..., Paul was obviously referring to Jesus in that verse, right? In Gnosticism Jesus represents the Divine self in Esoteric thought. I gave you a link where you can learn true Gnosticism, you refused to even check it out, that's why you are coming up with this silly argument. Well if that was your last bullet then this case is closed. See you in another thread. |
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