DoctorAlien:


It takes a conscious mind to plant a tree. Wind can also deposit a seed in an arbitrary place and a tree grows there.

So what are you saying?

dalaman:


Demonstrate how desert winds can build a house. We are NOT talking about trees here. How can a desert wind construct a human house? I said it's impossible you said it's possible then explain how.

Wilgrea7:


if its about scriptures, I've read a few... the biblical canon is just a set of books to establish a system of beliefs... i don't in any way mean to offend the opinions of people who believe the bible to be the word of God but it contains a set of writings you call “revelations"... these books as you claim, reveal God's message to humans but have been translated over and over again ... that is true.. the problem is... how many people are ready to hear from God?? and how many of those hearings are not expectations?... most Christians nowadays seem to want to hear from God in the area of something they desire not what God desires... most prayer points are concentrated on us... prayer is more of a one way... cuz you're doing the talking... God is ever ready to reveal to people... we just need to clear our minds of everything and anything... and just be ready to hear from him as if you dont know anything and experience him like a baby.. another problem is that we claim to know... when we ask for revelations we tend to expect something similar to what we were taught/already knew.. that's why i said to clear the mind of anything and everything... claim not to know... then you will hear... that's why i like the eckists(although I'm not one)... they believe more in experience than letter... what I'm trying to say is.... there is no message that was said only to people in the old times and not nowadays... the thing is that we just have to listen... we have to be ready to get our firsthand experience... thanks

dalaman:


Demonstrate how desert winds can build a house. We are NOT talking about trees here. How can a desert wind construct a human house? I said it's impossible you said it's possible then explain how.

4everGod:




Can you define the origin of evolution again for me?

So you agree that it takes a conscious mind to bring a non complex house to existence yet it does not take the same conscious mind to bring your complexity and all the earths complexity to existence.... I hear you

dalaman:
It is impossible for desert wind to construct a human house

4kings:
Dalaman, this issue can be likened to the "infinite monkey theorem".
Which states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

dalaman:


A human house does not exist in nature. It is a creation of humans. Rivers, mountains, deserts, landscapes etc all exist in nature. We have seen them all being formed without any creator.

Heck even planets have been clearly explained to form without any creator. Things that exist in nature are different from things that are man made.

dalaman:


A human house does not exist in nature. It is a creation of humans. Rivers, mountains, deserts, landscapes etc all exist in nature. We have seen them all being formed without any creator.

Heck even planets have been clearly explained to form without any creator. Things that exist in nature are different from things that are man made.

4everGod:


chai Dalaman

Yet you know all about how evolution works yet;

1. You cannot explain to yourself how desert winds and sand could possibly construct a house

2; You do not believe it could ever be possible

ok na

4everGod:



You do know that theory is a stupid one and can only work when the correct words are saved and others allowed to correctly fit into them.

Can rondomness store itself for later use or later correction?

dalaman:


Desert winds are natural phenomenon. A house is not. A desert wind can not construct a human house because it is random. A house needs a consious and purposeful intention and action.
If you believe that a desert sand can build a human house then explain it and the mechanism involved. I said it is impossible.

DoctorAlien:
You said this:

Please prove it. Just prove it.

Don't ask me to "prove how wind can construct house" because this is the same crime of which you accuse Christians: asking you to prove that their assertion is not true, instead of going ahead to prove what they themselves have asserted.

dalaman:
Demonstrate how desert winds can build a house. We are NOT talking about trees here. How can a desert wind construct a human house? I said it's impossible you said it's possible then explain how.

dalaman:
It is impossible for desert wind to construct a human house

4everGod:


At the bolded if i am to agree with you, If a non complex house would need purposeful intention and conscious desire to produce, How then did your complexity as a man come about?

dalaman:


I have already told you why it is impossible. A human house needs a consious mind with a sense of purpose, intention and direction to build it. Desert wind isn't consious and is random as such it can never build a human house. Of you disagree then explain to me in details how desert winds can build a human house.

4kings:

I don't get why are you bringing correction.
Didn't you see the word "infinite"
It is a mathematical possibility

dalaman:


I don't know. But we have observed complex things in nature form without any creator.

So what are the complex things you have observed form without a beginning aka a creator?

DoctorAlien:


And I told you that wind which you described as not conscious can also accomplish a task which man who is conscious accomplishes i.e. planting a tree.

So, prove that it is impossible for desert wind to construct a house in synergy with desert sand.

4everGod:


Let me explain... the infinite monkey theorem saves correct sections of text while discarding future wrong guesses. its a computer simulation which stores data that is correct and checks it off the list. Where is the storage in randomness in actual life scenario?

dalaman:
Random actions and forcws in nature can not build human houses. So you have failed.

4everGod:



Indeed ignorance is bliss!

So what are the complex things you have observed form without a beginning aka a creator?

DoctorAlien:


The burden to prove the above rests on you. And if you're not gonna prove the above, but are only intent on running around, then don't mention me again.

Thank you.

dalaman:


I have already done that. Random forces do not build human houses, it is impossible. If you disagree then show us how. You have nothing so you can run away. It's allowed.

Profkenny1:


Thanks bro, so you mean we shouldn't "fully" rely on the bible, rather we should seek for the raw voice of God? Don't you think that is the reason we have ~ 40,000 denominations of Christianity? each claiming to be inspired by the holy spirit of God. I really wish God would come down and reveal Himself to the whole world.

dalaman:


That's because random actions and forces of naturecan plant trees. Random actions and forcws in nature can not build human houses. So you have failed. It is impossible for desert winds to build houses if you disagree then show how.

4kings:

I think we are talking about different things, or you are just making assumptions.

This is a theorem not a computer simulation.

DoctorAlien:


How can you tell me "random forces cannot build a house in the desert because it is impossible for random forces to build a house?"

You need to go and pick up your handbook of basic logic.

dalaman:


Everything.

dalaman:


I have already done that. Random forces do not build human houses, it is impossible. If you disagree then show us how. You have nothing so you can run away. It's allowed.