dalaman:


You have not told me how random forces can build houses in a desert. I can logically explain to you how random forces can plant a tree. But you can not logically explain to me how random forces can build a human house in the desert. A human house needs a consious force with sma sense of direction and purpose to build it. That alone has already disqualified desert wind since they ate directionless, random and without not consious.

DoctorAlien:


That is like saying "GOD exists. It is impossible that He does not exist. If you disagree, prove that GOD does not exist."

I seriously don't want to believe that you're this uninformed.

dalaman:


You have not told me how random forces can build houses in a desert. I can logically explain to you how random forces can plant a tree. But you can not logically explain to me how random forces can build a human house in the desert. [s]A human house needs a consious force with sma sense of direction and purpose to build it. That alone has already disqualified desert wind since they ate directionless, random and without not consious.[/s]

DoctorAlien:


That is like saying "GOD exists. It is impossible that He does not exist. If you disagree, prove that GOD does not exist."

I seriously don't want to believe that you're this uninformed.

hopefulLandlord:


what else can I say to make it clearer that "answering for it" has nothing to do with this discussion?

all infants that die get saved 100%!

if I kill hundreds thousands of infants whether from command of god or not they get saved anyways

therefore Herod unwittingly saved the infants, Yates unwittingly saved those kids

imagine if someone had killed all atheists before we grew out of infancy, we would've been "heavenbound" not grow up to be "hellbound" like we are now, don't you think?

basically allowing any child grow up cuts his/her chances of salvation from 100% to something lower

hopefulLandlord:


I already showed the "right" argument has no bearing here

DoctorAlien:
4everGod,

Don't mind me bro. Sometimes it's very tedious to educate grossly ignorant people.

I'm tired, anyways. I cannot withstand his level of ignorance and dishonesty.

DoctorAlien:


Stop constructing Strawman arguments. Winds, as mindless as they are, accomplish things which man with a conscious mind can accomplish. Don't bring in purpose. I can do a thing without any purpose in mind.

4everGod:


Its a theorem that is now being tested on a computer simulation...Look it up

dalaman:


I have already explained why it is impossible for desert winds to build a human house. Let me state it again. A human house needs purpose, direction and a consious mind to build it. Desert storm are random, directionless and without not consious. As such it is impossible for it to build a human house . Of you disagree then explain how it can.

ScepticalPyrrho:
It's just common sense now...

How can I be all-knowing, omniscience and all, but still get angry like didn't see it coming?

How do I kill 70,000 people yet be called merciful.

Think about it.

Do you sincerely not see the contradictions in statement "God is angry"?

This is one perspective.

The word "God" implies perfection. It doesn't allow for frustration, ferocity, anger, detest, etc

How would I create something that I happen to know would get me frustrated?

dalaman:


You areare a ridiculous sophist. There are some things that humans accomplish that winds can because random acts can accomplish them, example planting of trees. Trees have been planted by winds long before humans came into the earth. The mechanism involve in tree plantin makes it possible for random winds to accomplish them. The mechanism in constructing houses makes it impossible for winds to construct them. End of story. You have failed.

4everGod:



At this point its pretty obvious you are so deeply ignorant it hurts. So with the Easterly winds and the westerly winds the desert winds are directionless? I wonder how you think the sand dunes in the desert formed? Perhaps they emerged from under the ground randomly.

DoctorAlien if you wish to continue going back and forth with Dalaman na u sabi. His ignorance is blocking my thought process.

DoctorAlien:


What mechanism involved in constructing houses makes it impossible for desert winds to build a house?

DoctorAlien:


Stop constructing Strawman arguments. Winds, as mindless as they are, accomplish things which man with a conscious mind can accomplish. Don't bring in purpose. I can do a thing without any purpose in mind.

dalaman:


A house needs to be designed by a conscious mind with purpose and direction. Something that is completely absent in the desert winds. Desert winds are random as such they can not construct a human house.

dalaman:


Sand dunes can be formed by random processes. Human houses can not. End of story.

DoctorAlien:


1. I can build a house without any purpose at all. Maybe I have too much money.

2. What exactly is direction? Placing one block on another? Can you prove that a mighty wind cannot place a block on top of another?

3. So to what part of building a house is consciousness essential?

Can you prove that desert winds in synergy with desert house cannot build a house?

4everGod:


Do you realize that caves are formed due to weathering processes of which wind is involved. If wind can be involved (like DoactorAlien used the word Synergy) in the formation of Caves which are hollows or cavities in rocks which humans can live in then how can it now build a house in synergy with the sand when the sand contains iron ore as Ironsand?

Do you know that once you put a lot of sand in a wind tunnel and set up the process of wind blowing the sand around, once one grain of sand gets stuck then another grain can get stuck to the first and so begins a mass of sand collection and depending on how its positioned can form a dune or an enclave.

Now if this can occur experimentally then how do you think a house cannot be built the same way especially if the grains of sand somehow get stuck at just the right positions for sand accumulation to occur.

You said something without complexity as a house cannot be formed or built without human involvement or purpose but you seem to think a house must be something that has all the trappings of the houses you see today.

Dalaman your ignorance is on another level today. I give that to you and salute your ignorance[/b]

dalaman:


A house by definition is something that can be constructed without a purpose. If you know a house that was constructed without a purpose then show me. It's not about having money. You need a purposeful design to build a house.

A house is not just placing one block ontop of another. You will need to make windows, lintel, roofing, doors, thw rooms have to be made. Toilets etc. These things need consious , intentional purpose and directions. Something a desert wind can never do because it is random.

In all parts of building a house consious direction and purpose is needed with intentions as well. Something completely absent in desert winds.

I have already proven that beyondany reasonable doubt. Desert wind can not build a human house because it lacks direction, intentions and purpose. It is impossible for desert wind to build a human house because it is random.

dalaman:


A house by definition is something that can be constructed without a purpose. If you know a house that was constructed without a purpose then show me. It's not about having money. You need a purposeful design to build a house.

A house is not just placing one block ontop of another. You will need to make windows, lintel, roofing, doors, thw rooms have to be made. Toilets etc. These things need consious , intentional purpose and directions. Something a desert wind can never do because it is random.

In all parts of building a house consious direction and purpose is needed with intentions as well. Something completely absent in desert winds.

I have already proven that beyondany reasonable doubt. Desert wind can not build a human house because it lacks direction, intentions and purpose. It is impossible for desert wind to build a human house because it is random.

dalaman:
A house by definition is something that can be constructed without a purpose. If you know a house that was constructed without a purpose then show me. It's not about having money. You need a purposeful design to build a house.

A house is not just placing one block ontop of another. You will need to make windows, lintel, roofing, doors, thw rooms have to be made. Toilets etc. These things need consious , intentional purpose and directions. Something a desert wind can never do because it is random.

In all parts of building a house consious direction and purpose is needed with intentions as well. Something completely absent in desert winds.

I have already proven that beyondany reasonable doubt. Desert wind can not build a human house because it lacks direction, intentions and purpose. It is impossible for desert wind to build a human house because it is random.

4kings:

This ends the argument.
Dalaman is talking about "human house" not just any shelter.

DoctorAlien:


Can a confusion of strong desert winds not strive against each other and upon such materials as sand, water, stones and cement found in the same desert for an arbitrary number of hours, at the end of which you have a perfect bungalow with 12 by 12 rooms in it?

dalaman:


A house by definition is something that can be constructed without a purpose. If you know a house that was constructed without a purpose then show me. It's not about having money. You need a purposeful design to build a house.

A house is not just placing one block ontop of another. You will need to make windows, lintel, roofing, doors, thw rooms have to be made. Toilets etc. These things need consious , intentional purpose and directions. Something a desert wind can never do because it is random.

In all parts of building a house consious direction and purpose is needed with intentions as well. Something completely absent in desert winds.

I have already proven that beyondany reasonable doubt. Desert wind can not build a human house because it lacks direction, intentions and purpose. It is impossible for desert wind to build a human house because it is random.

4kings:

This ends the argument.
Dalaman is talking about "human house" not just any shelter.

4kings:

This ends the argument.
Dalaman is talking about "human house" not just any shelter.

DoctorAlien:


Good. Could the house not have been built by chimpanzees? Why must it be man?

KingEbukasBlog:


The atheists' asslicker is here

dalaman:


This clown 4everGod has been jumping from pillar to post. From cave to whatever. I just dey laugh.

4everGod:



In your village those days how many houses were constructed with doors or lintel or the roofing you know today? How many of them had toilets within?

Like i said , you are myopically seeing a house as the one you know today and that explains your ignorant argument. If you say man evolved which is your position then how was the first "house" that the early men lived in built? What did they know as their "house" way back then? Is it the one you know today?

Did they even build houses since you mentioned purpose.