-And certainly did we create man from and extract of clay


-then we placed him as sperm-drop in a firm lodging


-then we made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and we made the clot into lump(of flesh), and we made(from) the lump, bones, and we covered the bones with flesh; then we developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators Qur'an 23:12-14

How could someone who can neither read nor write known all this 1,400 years ago when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microspoes which did not exist 1,400 years ago?

Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells using and improved microscope in 1677.

DeAvenger:
The verses below are speaking about the stages man's embryonic development, more than 1000 years before modern day scientists discovered it.

"then we developed him into another creation.

DeAvenger:
The verses below are speaking about the stages man's embryonic development, more than 1000 years before modern day scientists discovered it.

Emusan:


Your book says BONE formed first before being COVERED by FLESH.

The sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and we made the clot into a lump (of flesh), and we made (from) the lump, bones, and we covered the bones with flesh

annunaki2:


The thrash you posted above does not even begin to describe embryonic development. It did not even mention the female egg which becomes the embryo neither did it describe the fertilisation process. It is obviously the writing of a stark illiterate doing guess work on how babies are formed. Infact this verse you quoted provides further evidence that mohammed was a fake charlatan.

DeAvenger:


This is what happen when you skip biology class

DeAvenger:
@AgentofAllah
The first verse is talking about Adam. Adam was created from clay.

annunaki2:


Is that why your Allah does not know that the egg has to be fertilised before the embryo develops?

DeAvenger:
The verses below are speaking about the stages man's embryonic development, more than 1000 years before modern day scientists discovered it.

DeAvenger:
@AgentofAllah
The first verse is talking about Adam. Adam was created from clay.

alBHAGDADI:
So adam was a sperm before he bacame man? Whose manhood produced the sperm?

AgentOfAllah:

Good question! So a question for you alBhagdadi. How old was Adam when he was "created"?

Emusan:


Atheist won't cease to amaze us.

How can you ask this funny question.

Sorry, you don't ask how old was the universe before the Big Bang (as you believe) but how old was the universe after the Big Bang?

So the day Adam was created begins his life count.

AgentOfAllah:
Not sure what you're on about. I didn't use the word "before" in my question.

Emusan:

I know you didn't but I just used that as an illustration.

Adam was created which means Adam was brought into EXISTENCE at a particular time.

Does it make sense to say you want know the age of something that was just brought into existence?

Lemme use this as an illustration, my phone was manufactured on 10th Jan, 2016
Now, does it make sense to ask, how old was my phone when it was manufactured on 10th Jan, 2016?

AgentOfAllah:
Good, so your illustration was not well thought through

Yes it does, when the size and functionality of every organ in the human body is directly correlated with their age. Ergo, it makes perfect sense to ask about Adam's age when he was created since he seemed to already have fully functional organs at "creation".

Manufacturing of mobiles is a demonstrable phenomenon which requires no leap of faith. Creating a fully functional human though, from clay...that's something else! So my friend, your illustration is manifestly a misapprehension of the import of my question!

DeAvenger:
The verses below are speaking about the stages man's embryonic development, more than 1000 years before modern day scientists discovered it.

-And certainly did we create man from and extract of clay
-then we placed him as sperm-drop in a firm lodging
-then we made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and we made the clot into lump(of flesh), and we made(from) the lump, bones, and we covered the bones with flesh; then we developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators Qur'an 23:12-14

Emusan:

You're still proving I too know and adamant to correction.

Asking how old was Adam when he was created is not just out of sense but pure lack of knowledge.

Age is THE WHOLE DURATION OF A BEING, whether animal, vegetable, or other kind; LIFETIME.

The best question you can ask is, in what form Adam was created?

Very simple but using DURATION to ask about first appearance of something is out of it.

Who ask you about FAITH? Your obsession about faith has beclouded you beyond reason.

I'm only here telling you that your reason is faulty, instead of you to learn you keep exposing your Atheistic behavior.

Simple, you don't use DURATION to ask about the CREATION of something.

otemanuduno:
So what you're trying to say is that "sperms" don't drop during sex 1,400years ago? Abeg don't let Socrates of more than 2000 years ago hear this ignorant utterance of yours abeg I'm sure Plato, Aristotle, Julius Ceaser and millions of GREAT THINKERS of more than 2000 years ago will be laughing out loud at this ignorant confession of a 21st century human being. Ask Solmani of the homo erectus period and he'll tell you how sperm has been known since millions of years back.

Realmindz, Hahn, Pls come and see this

AgentOfAllah:
The claim in the verses you quoted is exactly the kind of garbage an illiterate man would say!

It claims man was "created from clay". If that were the case, clay and man should share the same chemical compositions, but man and clay couldn't be any more chemically distinct than they are.

The important elemental make up of clay include: Aluminium, Silicon and Oxygen; whereas the important elemental make up of humans include: Oxygen, Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Calcium, Phosphorus and Potasium (99%) and inconsequential traces of a few other elements forming the remaining (1%)

Now, you tell me, how is the claim that man came from clay scientifically accurate?

Proudlyngwa:

Because when man dies hecwill return to dust.

Clay was the general name for most minerals then

as we just recently discovered the periodic table.

AgentOfAllah:
this is a false assertion. When man dies, he doesn't "return to dust", he is devoured by bacteria, fauna and flora!
Another falsehood! At no point has clay ever been the general name for minerals, most or few. Clay has had a specific meaning historically. It is a substance that has always been known for its molding and maleable properties, especially for use in sculpting. This probably explains why it was tempting for the illiterate to assume humans were molded from clay. Not anything to do with minerals.
Oh so you mean to say the creator of man and everything else was learning about the periodic table at the same pace as mankind? That's rich!

AgentOfAllah:
this is a false assertion. When man dies, he doesn't "return to dust", he is devoured by bacteria, fauna and flora!
Another falsehood! At no point has clay ever been the general name for minerals, most or few. Clay has had a specific meaning historically. It is a substance that has always been known for its molding and maleable properties, especially for use in sculpting. This probably explains why it was tempting for the illiterate to assume humans were molded from clay. Not anything to do with minerals.
Oh so you mean to say the creator of man and everything else was learning about the periodic table at the same pace as mankind? That's rich!

Proudlyngwa:


In 200 years people will ask what is Fax.

We keep on evolving, and discovering new things and new uses of things known before.
The creator could only communicate with people of then at their level of understanding

God is a God of orderliness, and does things in stages.

LordofNairaland:


Nawa o. So the God in Genesis who made mention of a solid firmament knew that the firmament was not solid but was only communicating with people at their level of understanding?

So if you were a teacher, you will communicate with your students at their level of understanding even if their level of understanding of your subject is stupid and laughable