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Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Empiree: 6:27am On Feb 08, 2017 |
One Of the Many Reasons You Have To Protest few seconds GIF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0_4XhYN4s4 |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by tintingz(m): 6:44am On Feb 08, 2017 |
Empiree: 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by AlBaqir(m): 11:09am On Feb 08, 2017 |
Empiree: Abi o. However, my own question to them is were Talha, Zubair, Umm al-Mu'minin Aisha, Mu'awiyah and their Baghi groups excluded in that hadith? |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by abdulkabirO(m): 11:09am On Feb 10, 2017 |
AbuuBilaal:maa sha Allah,this the right believe of the muslim,unfortunately majority of Muslims dont know this..we ask Allah to assist Islam and the Muslims in obeying the leaders and been patient with them 5 Likes |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Lagusta(m): 11:09am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Empiree: Jazaakumullah khairan brother, now you have spoken the truth..... Comparing Saudi to Nigeria, I dey laugh for here...... 1 Like |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by mmsen: 11:13am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Islam is inherently anti-democratic and therefore incompatible with Nigeria or any modern nation. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by SeniorZato(m): 11:19am On Feb 10, 2017 |
This is indeed, an eye opener of a kind for those who believe 3 Likes |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by kabytexin: 11:47am On Feb 10, 2017 |
AbuuBilaal:may Allah reward abundantly but everything you have quoted is only applicable to a sharia leader and not a Democratic leader. All the Islamic leader during the time of the prophet operated under sharia. |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by kabytexin: 11:58am On Feb 10, 2017 |
AbuuBilaal:; pls lets be sincere to ourselves. Bro pls did you say thesame thing when there was a protest against gej regime? Or you are just saying this because buhari is a muslim? Are you talking about thesame democracy that is fully against islam in all ramification? Bro pls stop this all you quoted is not for Democratic leader but sharia. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by AbuuBilaal(m): 12:05pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
kabytexin: Okay, I'll be perfectly honest with myself and you, I never supported the protest against GEJ. Some Muslim clerics joined the protest against GEJ I remember, I and my colleagues rebuked their deviation. Satisfied?! Yes, democracy is a system disapproved in Islam, but once he becomes the leader even through it, we accept our fate by obedience and advice. Even if he got to the post through rebellion (which is even greater a crime than protest) we will obey him because not doing so will lead to spilling of blood which is one of the five basic things Islam has come to safeguard. So, he will account for his leadership (how he got there and how he used it) with Allah, so also we will account for our obedience to him 4 Likes |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by seguntijan(m): 12:07pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
OH MY BROTHERS WHO CLAIM THERE IS NO BENEFIT IN PROTEST. HOPE YOU SEE THE EFFECT OF PROTEST ON THE TRAVEL BAN IN U.S? -The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Verily, you will have leaders after me: they will say what they don't do, they will do what they are not commanded. Whoever fights against them with his tongue is a believer, whoever fights against them with his heart is a believer, their is no belief beyond this." Narrator: Ibn Mas'ud Source: Saheeh al-Mawaarid, No. 1298 -Imam Ash-Sha'bi At-Taabi ( ﺭﺣﻤﻪ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ) said, " What an excellent thing it is for the mob to block the road, extinguish every burning things to create serious disturbances for bad leaders. [Narrated by Abu-Nuaim in Hilyatul- Awliyaa(4/324) and Adh-dhahabi in Ta'rikhul-Islam(3/75)]. |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by kabytexin: 12:07pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
AbdelKabir:just the way the system of govt democracy was copied from the mushriks also |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by tintingz(m): 1:11pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
AbuuBilaal:Hypocrisy everywhere. Yes, democracy is a system disapproved in Islam, but once he becomes the leader even through it, we accept our fate by obedience and advice.What system is approved in Islam? Is it totalitarian, autocratic system? You guys are really confused, is Nigeria an Islamic nation, is Nigeria under sharia law? I argued with a Muslim brother who share same ideology with you people, he believes humans shouldn't have freedom, democracy is not right that a dictator leader is the right leader, I was like WTF! Can he mention any country with a dictator ruler that's not in crisis, or the people are not complaining about his dictatorship or didn't experience civil war? His respond was there are good dictator ruler and I told him to define dictatorship. Even if he got to the post through rebellion (which is even greater a crime than protest) we will obey him because not doing so will lead to spilling of blood which is one of the five basic things Islam has come to safeguard.You will obey a bad, evil leader? Stoic syndrome. Even Prophet Muhammad (SA) fought and spill blood for his people, Islam and Allah. So, he will account for his leadership (how he got there and how he used it) with Allah, so also we will account for our obedience to himSMH... You should have being living in the time of Adolf Hitler. Keep waiting for imaginary miracle. 4 Likes |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Nobody: 2:00pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
AbuuBilaal: In Islam the way of correcting leaders is by calling them privately and admonishing them. This can be done by sending religious leaders and other respected peronalities to them to admonish them and counsel them. This is what Islam preaches, this is the methodology of Islam in dealing with rulers. The reality is that no one likes his mistakes being mentioned in public, no one likes being admonished and corrected in the presence of multitudes, the same thing applies to rulers, if you advise them privately, in shaa Allah they are more likely to yield. But ranting in the public is a very wrong methodology. Imagine if you are the head of a department and you are being protested against, how would you feel. Unfortunately, this method of protest that has been inspired by Shaitan to his friends among the disbelievers is the only way many people including many Muslims see as the right way. In Saudi, for instance, what I said is what is being practiced, many people think the people of the country are stupid or something, but their religious leaders continuously admonish their leaders in private to take care of the masses, so also they admonish the masses to obey their leaders even if they see some faults in them. Nobody is perfect, and anyone who has ever held a post of authority will know how difficult it is. Lastly, this protest is not free from political influences, the people sponsoring it are only trying to turn the people against their government so as to attract them to their political party. Any wise person will see it. Though I'm not a politician but the plots and deception of politicians is too obvious to be hidden. People shouldn't make themselves pawn pieces for political swines. May Allah increase us in steadfastness upon the sunnah. 1 Like |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by olaitan9291(m): 2:33pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Jazakumu Allah khaeran shaykh.
May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala increase you
in knowledge and understanding of the Deen. 2 Likes |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by AminuRano87(m): 2:54pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
AbuuBilaal:That is why majority of the Muslim countries are ruled by Dictators. Islam promotes Zombiesm 2 Likes |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by EazyMoh(m): 2:57pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Empiree:Assalamu alaiykum, I've been following your discussion, but can't help to disagree with you. You see of every command the prophet gave, it must have been the very best solution for such a problem. Ironically the Syrian example you gave and any other upraising and insurgency in Muslim countries can be traced to the so called "PEACEFUL PROTEST" it may give a temporary solution like the OP admitted and like you pointed out, but it's never the best solution. Mind you even Shi'a started as a peaceful protest and today the Muslim world is devastated from Iraq to Syria to Turkey to Libya all because a people were instigated to go out on the street and protest against their leaders. Today what would you prefer they do? Be patient and try to keep sending delegations to give Nasiha to leaders like Gaddafi, Al Assad and Saddam (notwithstanding their faults) or trooped the streets like they did? They chose the former and am sure they are now regretting it. And no matter how you try to keep a protest peaceful, it's highly likely that it gets hijacked by criminals, and as a participant you carry some degree of responsibility. And at the end it's the out come that matters. 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by tintingz(m): 3:17pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
EazyMoh:Ignorant is a disease. Most of these countries that fought wars are under a dictatorship ruler. They practice an autocratic, totalitarian system of government. Dictators don't hear the people's cries instead they attack the people that's what causes most of these civil wars. Check out all the wars in history, it happens under military rulers.(dictators). If not for the people's voice and UN intervened that made most of these countries to be democratic, there will be series of world wars. Next time know the different between PROTEST and REBELLION. 3 Likes |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by EazyMoh(m): 3:53pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
tintingz:Oh so now the only government that is capable of maltreating it's people is only a DICTORTORSHIP? what a joke! You are telling us as long as it's a democracy then all is well. But what happen to Muhammad Morsi's government? Wasn't he democratically elected? All of these REBELLIONS as you called them started as a peaceful protest even world war II! The wisdom behind discouraging the protest is that will most certainly escalate to chaos and disorderliness and at the end it's the same impatient masses that will suffer it more than the leaders. I don't know whether you are a Muslim, But obedience to constituted authority in Islam can never be over emphasized. And the worst thing followers could do is to rebel against a government, and the first step to rebellion is open protest. 3 Likes |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Rilwayne001: 4:17pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
tintingz: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by uvalued(m): 5:33pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
AbuuBilaal:okay |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by uvalued(m): 5:35pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
AbuHammaad: hmm the arab spring uprising comes to mind..such a wrong move to dethrone their leaders. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by tintingz(m): 5:37pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
EazyMoh:A democratic government can maltreat the people but the difference is you can sue the government for Justice which can never happen under a dictator ruler. You are telling us as long as it's a democracy then all is well.It is not about all is well it is about freedom. But what happen to Muhammad Morsi's government? Wasn't he democratically elected?Morsi was a military man before he became a civilian just like Obasanjo. Morsi used his military influence to implement a totalitarian law. Read As president, Morsi issued a temporary constitutional declaration in late November that in effect granted him unlimited powers and the power to legislate without judicial oversight or review of his acts. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Morsi Morsi was acting like a dictator and this led to the protest. A military man overthrown and crisis started, you can see how dictatorship is the cause of most wars? All of these REBELLIONS as you called them started as a peaceful protest even world war II!I've given you how wars started above, protest are hijacked by terrorists, militants just like how the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt hijacked the protest, fighting against the military ruler in Egypt. Again there are different between protest and rebellion. You can protest for anything, the blacks and women got thier right and freedom through protest, We shouldn't be stoic. The wisdom behind discouraging the protest is that will most certainly escalate to chaos and disorderliness and at the end it's the same impatient masses that will suffer it more than the leaders.Correction, not all protest lead to chaos, in fact protest has done good to the people. I don't know whether you are a Muslim, But obedience to constituted authority in Islam can never be over emphasized. And the worst thing followers could do is to rebel against a government, and the first step to rebellion is open protest.First, is Nigeria a Muslim country? Did boko haram started as an open protest? Are they not rebelling against the government because of an imaginary Islamic state? Did U.S court not suspend the travel ban raised by trump through protest? Where does the Quran go against protesting? |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by AbuHammaad: 5:57pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
uvalued: So called dictators are usually arrogant and like all arrogant people, they hate being challenged. It starts as a mere protest, the dictator reacts with the big hammer--- the people rebel and boom! It becomes a full scale war Some of these people here hate being lectured with evidence from the Quran and Sunnah but even if you use common sense, you'd still come to the conclusion that it makes sense but hey common sense they say is not so common. 1 Like |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by EazyMoh(m): 6:08pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
tintingz:I suspected you weren't a Muslim in the first place. Well this is an Islamic topic not a political opinion. The OP has given many ahadith and there are many more which command a great deal of patience and restrain in the part of followers. Muslims are not allowed to carry out any form civil disobedience. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by tintingz(m): 6:11pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
EazyMoh:Shut up I'm a Muslim, not a stoic one. |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Empiree: 6:12pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
EazyMoh: Walsikum salaam Why did Qatar bombed Gadafi and his men on behalf of protesters and why middle east country like Saudi and the West support the move?. Are they not aware of the hadith quoted by the op?. Why did Saudi bomb Yemen which resulted to protests and lost of lives that you claimed the hadith would prevent? . Is Saudi not aware of the ahadith?. Finally, is it HARAM for the Palestinians to protest Israeli occupation, slavery and bombings? . Can you protest minimum wage and price increase on food? When you answer these questions, i can determine how you think. And by the way, did you see hadith quoted by me and others in reference to this issue or you chose to ignore? 3 Likes |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by tintingz(m): 6:22pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Rilwayne001:These people don't know that they are enjoying the protest and fight our fathers did to get freedom. They think it was an imaginary miracle. How i wish I have time machine, I will just teleport these yeye stoic people back to Adolf Hitler era, not even Abacha era. 1 Like |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by EazyMoh(m): 6:24pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Empiree:All the crisis in the middle east are politically motivated. There thousands of the prophet's commands are not observed by Muslims and their countries Saudi inclusive. Israel state isn't the leader of Palestinians, so they don't deserve any form of obedience. What we have been saying is there is a better way to pass your grievances to the government than storming the street for a civil disobedience. Lastly protest is the least of the problems facing the Muslim ummah today. What I'd want you to understand is that the prophet encourages extreme patience and obedience to constituted authority, I rest my case. 1 Like |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Empiree: 6:32pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
EazyMoh:And mind you, taking to street to protest is LAST OPTION. It is not like you have a concern and your start protesting. tiler Won't understand you. There has to be talks going on like delegating people to talk to them private which is what it is in most cases. If this doesn't work, then next option follows. In many cases it doesn't work but it prolongs public outcry. Another question for you is, if you live in non-Muslim majority country and govt decides to demolish your masjid are you telling me you would not protest it?. If protest would lead to violence, this can happen two ways. Either from within protesters or government's agent provocatouers to discredit protesters. |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by EazyMoh(m): 6:48pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Empiree:Dialogue is always the best option. The first thing is try to find out what did the mosque violated to deserve demolition and then try to fix it from there. |
Re: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Empiree: 6:57pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
EazyMoh:kindly ignore POLITICS in this discourse. I'm talking about PROTEST itself. Everything is political no matter where you look at it. There thousands of the prophet's commands are not observed by Muslims and their countries Saudi inclusive.At least you are sincere to say this. Israel state isn't the leader of Palestinians, so they don't deserve any form of obedience.Well, they used to be under israel control until 2005 when hamas fought its way out. This was done through ptotests and rebellion against israel and they succeeded. That's why they have Gaza today ruled by them. Again, at least you seem sincere. But a Saudi scholar denounced Palestinians protests which had many Muslims call them hypocrite. What we have been saying is there is a better way to pass your grievances to the government than storming the street for a civil disobedience.brother, taking to the streets is never first option in many protests. It is always last option. Talks always preceed until it colapse. Before you take to str to protest minimum wage, you first talk to your boss for as long as it takes. You just don't protest outright. That makes no sense. Lastly protest is the least of the problems facing the Muslim ummah today. What I'd want you to understand is that the prophet encourages extreme patience and obedience to constituted authority, I rest my case.you all mixing things up. Your problem is you brothers are not exposed yet. Few yrs from now when you travel more, most likely your view will change and you will understand the hadith better. Now do you care to ponder over the hadith I quoted in support of my argument??. Also if protests are forbidden, why would Quran have zero tolerance for oppression? . Why would Quran say "Why would you not fight when men, women and children cry for help " ^^ The above is not quoted. It is paraphrased. You can look it up in the quran yourself. This one is not even talking about "peaceful protests". It is talking about fighting back those who oppress you. But you brothers are saying even if your leader beat you, take your right you should be subservient to them no matter what. Quran trashes that. Your problem is you brothers turn to hadith first. You gave hadith preference over Quran. That's wrong methodology. 2 Likes |
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