OLAADEGBU:

Yes, I will "show you" when you quote from scriptures what you alleged as the nativity story.

I will accept this as you tacitly admitting that you can not show it. . .

mazaje and ignorance. Are you too shy or too proud to quote the portions asked?
"mary gave birth to Jesus in the house and placed him in the manger". Something is playing on your imaginations mr

mazaje:

I will accept this a your tacitly admitting that you can not show it. . .

Christians who paid attention in Sunday school know the truth of Jesus Nativity its only those who paid no attention or slept through church services that have to depend on hear say as their evidence.  Does that mean that you cannot quote where it is (your allegation) from the Bible?

Image123:

mazaje and ignorance. Are you too shy or too proud to quote the portions asked?
"mary gave birth to Jesus in the house and placed him in the manger". Something is playing on your imaginations mr

Luk 2:6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born,
Luk 2:7[b] and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger[/b], because there was no room for them in the inn.

Are trying to say that mary gave birth to Jesus outside? It is my understanding that she gave birth to him in a house where animals were kept no?

OLAADEGBU:

Christians who paid attention in Sunday school know the truth of Jesus Nativity it only those who paid no attention or slept through church service that have to depend on hear say as their evidence. Does that mean that you cannot quote where it is (your allegation) from the Bible?

I asked you a simple question and you are just all over the place dancing. . . Can you show me where it is written that jesus was 2 years old when the magi visited him?

he is being cornered. he made an assertion and on being called to prove it, he can't.

Kay 17:

he is being cornered. he made an assertion and on being called to prove it, he can't.

A simple I made a mistake will do instead of all these dancing around. . . . . We are not talking about billions of years Vs 6000 years here OLAADEGBU

mazaje:

Luk 2:6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born,
Luk 2:7[b] and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger[/b], because there was no room for them in the inn.

Are trying to say that mary gave birth to Jesus outside? It is my understanding that she gave birth to him in a house where animals were kept no?

With what you have quoted where did it say that Jesus was born in a house?  Can you differentiate between a house and a manger?  Do I need to distinguish between the two?  Where did it say that Mary gave birth in a house and then placed it in a manger? Remember that there was no room for them in the inn.

OLAADEGBU:

With what you have quoted where did it say that Jesus was born in a house? Can you differentiate between a house and a manger? Do I need to distinguish between the two? Where did it say that Mary gave birth in a house and then placed it in a manger?

OK I concede that Mary gave birth to jesus outside and placed him in a manger(outside). . . .Will you show me where it is written that Jesus was 2 years old when the magi visited him?

Kay 17:

he is being cornered. he made an assertion and on being called to prove it, he can't.

You wished.

mazaje:

OK I concede that Mary gave birth to jesus outside and placed him in a manger(outside). . . .Will you show me where it is written that Jesus was 2 years old when the magi visited him?

Do you now agree and admit that you are ignorant when it comes to the Nativity story?

OLAADEGBU:

Do you now agree and admit that you are ignorant when it comes to the Nativity story?

. I will accept this as you tacitly admitting that you can not show it. . .

i'm expecting the verse! olaadegbu

Ignorant mazaje?
So it's now 'mary gave birth to Jesus in a house + where animals are kept. and then put Him in a manger. You go still add to that manger mr.

@Image123, let's spare them the suspense and give them a teaser.

@Mazaje and other atheists, check out the link below and if you are not satisfied do some Bible reading.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0293/0293_01.asp

OLAADEGBU:

@Image123, let's spare them the suspense and give them a teaser.

@Mazaje and other atheists, check out the link below and if you are not satisfied do some Bible reading.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0293/0293_01.asp

Will you stop your propaganda and show me where it is written that the magi visited jesus when he was 2 years old?

its amazing, almost two pages gone and olaadegbu, hasn't still provided the verse because no such verse exists. he lied in order to retreat. do not worry, there are thousands more religions like yours that have existed fro years but still can't give concrete evidence for their faith.

mazaje:

Will you stop your propaganda and show me where it is written that the magi visited jesus when he was 2 years old?

Propaganda? What of conspiracy theory? You have to do your own research and come up with the answer, no more spoon feeding. If you have any Christian friends ask them.

Kay 17:

its amazing, almost two pages gone and olaadegbu, hasn't still provided the verse because no such verse exists. he lied in order to retreat. do not worry, there are thousands more religions like yours that have existed fro years but still can't give concrete evidence for their faith.

Blackmailing me in order to give you the answer will not work. The link has given you enough information find out the rest.

you are TRAPPED! you made the assertion and now back it up simple. only you has seen it and then show it.

Kay 17:

you are TRAPPED! you made the assertion and now back it up simple. only you has seen it and then show it.

I gave you clues and even pictoral representation to you guys who only believe when they see, and after all that you still cannot see what the answer was in that link.  They say as blind as a bat from hell but I believe you guys still have hope, at least you've admitted that you cannot see.  Let me give you another clue.  Why did king Herod order the execution of children that were two years old and under?  Let's see whether you can work this out.

please, just give us the verse please,

Kay 17:

please, just give us the verse please,

Nah.  No more handouts or spoon feeding.  You've got to get your Bibles out and do some digging, that way you will appreciate the truth when you find it.  For starters, read the nativity accounts in the Gospel according to Matthew and Luke.

its simply because you do not have any verses or answers. prior to this moment, you were freely dishing verses suddenly you ve run short.

Kay 17:

its simply because you do not have any verses or answers. prior to this moment, you were freely dishing verses suddenly you ve run short.

Have you ever read the nativity account in the Bible before now? I don't recollect "freely dishing verses" on this thread except the link and the suggestion that you should read up on Matthew and Luke, it seems that you are the only one who hasn't done his homework as others (wirinet, mazaje et al) seem to have found out the truth which explains why they are no longer asking questions. Go through the link below and read up on the scriptures quoted there and you will be home and dry.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0293/0293_01.asp

OLAADEGBU:

Have you ever read the nativity account in the Bible before now? I don't recollect "freely dishing verses" on this thread except the link and the suggestion that you should read up on Matthew and Luke, it seems that you are the only one who hasn't done his homework as others (wirinet, mazaje et al) seem to have found out the truth which explains why they are no longer asking questions. Go through the link below and read up on the scriptures quoted there and you will be home and dry.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0293/0293_01.asp

Still finding it difficult to show me where it is written in the bible that the Magi visited jesus when he was 2 years old?

Arguing with Mr Olaadegbu is like arguing with a man who watched part one of a story and then went blind and  deaf but not dumb immediately. It is impossible to explain to such a person that there is part 1, part two and even part3 of the story. So you will find out that most people do not want to engage in a fruitless exercise of arguing with Mr Olaadegbu on his  preconceived notions no matter how absurd they are.

Let me waste some time analyzing your statements

Before you begin to sniff for holes in the nativity story I will suggest that you look at your own backside that has been exposed by your assumptions.

    * Who told you that their were three wise men from the east?

Matthew 2:1-2

1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

About the number 3. In my opening post, i said the popular nativity story said there were three wise men, not that the bible specified the number 3. But it is logical to assume that since the wise men brought 3 separate gifts, they would have to be 3, meaning each person brought one gift. But if you say the wise men were ten as against popular belief, you will have to provide the reason why. Maybe 3 people brought one gift with one wise man not bringing anything.

    * Where did you get the idea that the wise men came to the manger where Jesus was born?

Luke 2:7

and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

Luke 2:12

12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

Luke2:16

16 And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.

Are you saying that Jesus was born in a inn ( since we are told that all the inns were full), and then brought to the manger for the wise men to look at?


    * Who told you that Jesus was a baby when the wise men came to the house?
see the above bible verses especially the bolded "babe"

This is not evolution theory were you are allowed to speculate and assume, these historical facts.

Please whip out your dictionary to differentiate between historical facts and folktale

Get your facts together before you send people on a wild goose chase.

Why don't you do us a big favour and present the facts

A lot of people have been taking the nativity story forgranted assuming what is not accurate.  The fact that shepherds visited Jesus in the manger has been confused with the wise men (how many was not stated) who visited Jesus in the house when Jesus was about two years of age.  Folks just take it forgranted that they know the story and go on to make spurious claims that they have found holes in the story.  The earlier we read the scriptures meditatively the better it will be for us and our generation.

Mr Olaadegu, you make me laugh. So you have split the story into two. You set Matthew's nativity story two years after Luke's. But does the bible support your theory? lets examine it a bit further;

Reread Matthew 2:1-2 again as quoted above, and tell me if the verse says the wise men from the east visited Jesus two years after seeing the star.

Now for other matters arising from your two years theory;
1. Are you implying that Jesus was born in a manger in Bethlehem ( as there are no room in the inn), and the family stayed two full years in the manger or were able to get an inn, still in Bethlehem, so that the wise men could visit them before they fled to Egypt (as written in Matthew) OR went  back to Nazareth (as written in Luke) ?

2. Luke said that After Jesus was born, he underwent all Jewish rituals of circumcision and all before going back to Nazareth. Meanwhile Matthew said Jesus and his family fled to Egypt to escape Herod

3. Is it possible for the King of Israel under roman rule to carry out such genocide of killing babies 2 years and under without the knowledge and permission of Rome? Because there no record whatsoever of the genocide outside the bible.

4. Are you implying that the wise men saw the star at Jesus's birth and followed the star two years to find him or that the star did not appear until two years after Jesus was born.


My personal opinion is that the Jesus story was modeled after Moses story, maybe to ensure acceptance by the Jews.  They even placed Jesus in Egypt, when we are not told Joseph or Mary has any root in Egypt.

@wirinet,

You can now see that the seeming 'errors' that you think you see in the Bible are there for a reason.  God has deliberately included these seeming 'errors or contradictions' in His Word to "snare" the proud.  He has "hidden" things from the "wise and prudent" and "revealed them to babes" (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Cor.1:27).

You can now see that with all your investigative skills you could not decipher the truth about Jesus' nativity and deduct how old He was when the wise men came visiting.  Since you specialise in the religion of speculation and assumption (TOE), let's do some fanciful imagination of the fertile mind.

Let's talk about the wise men who spent many months on their journey to Bethlehem from the east.  What do you think would be the topic of their conversations?

The top 7 things overheard on the Wise men's journey to Bethlehem:

7.  Man, I'm starting to get a rush from this frankincense!
6.  You guys ever eat camel meat? I hear it tastes like goat.
5.  You know, I used to go school with a girl called Beth Lehem.
4.  What kind of name is Balthazar anyhow? Phoenician?
3.  Hey, do any of you know why MYRRH is spelt with a Y instead of a U?
2.  OK, whose camel just spat?

And the NUMBER ONE thing overheard on the Wise Men's journey to Bethlehem was:

1.  All this staring at a star while riding a camel is making me woozy.

^^^ I'm rolling on the floor . . . i think i'm going to read this thread from start to finish . . .

OLAADEGBU:

@wirinet,

You can now see that the seeming 'errors' that you think you see in the Bible are there for a reason.  God has deliberately included these seeming 'errors or contradictions' in His Word to "snare" the proud.  He has "hidden" things from the "wise and prudent" and "revealed them to babes" (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Cor.1:27).

More deluded apologetics. . .so your god delibrately included errors and contradictions is his word whom you claim is infallable to "snare" the wise eh? How can something that is infallable contain errors and contradictions? . . . .I know you need to believe in this "snaring the wise" hypothesis so that you can diffuse the many many contradictions and errors that abound in your so called infallable word of god. . . . .I laugh in greek. . . .

mazaje:

More deluded apologetics. . .so your god delibrately included errors and contradictions is his word whom you claim is infallable to "snare" the wise eh? How can something that is infallable contain errors and contradictions? . . . .I know you need to believe in this "snaring the wise" hypothesis so that you can diffuse the many many contradictions and errors that abound in your so called infallable word of god. . . . .I laugh in greek. . . .

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men . . . That no flesh should glory in His presence. -- 1 Cor. 1:25, 29

In a world where the rich get richer and the poor get stomped on, we are informed that God has gone to the other end of the line with the message of everlasting life.  How has He done that you may ask.  He has done that by simply choosing that which is weak, base and despised.  You can see this by the kind of questions and conclusions these skeptics made on this thread. Do they believe that Jesus' nativity historical account actually happened?  Of course they don't believe.  To say that they believed the greatest story ever told would mean that they would have to surrender their intellectual dignity.  Who in their right minds will ever do that?  The answer is simply that God has chosen foolish, base, weak and despised things of the world to confound those who think they are wise.

The detailed circumstances that surrounds jesus birth was not reported in the bible but common sense tells us that Jesus was born with the help of nurses in a hospital located in a manger and not the exaggerated biblical context we are made to believe.