Demmzy15:
Being an atheist is not terrorism is an Islamic State, please get your facts right. The moment you kill or influence other people to kill, you become a criminal in an Islamic State. Those guys would be executed for killing, shikena!

JackBizzle:


lie mohammed!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-declares-all-atheists-are-terrorists-in-new-law-to-crack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html

OK, I said lynching people is not allowed and those who perpetuated that crime would executed.

So don't complicate any issue here! True2god continue dey flex muscles, I no get ya time!

hesupamo:
If God is real, HE DOES NOT NEED YOUR FUCKING HELP TO KILL PEOPLE.

Holy books are full of supposed examples of God lashing out with plagues, snakes, earthquakes, angels, and demons against those that make him cranky or look at him funny or breathe the wrong way.

If God hates atheists that much, he could incinerate them all with fire from heaven in one stroke.

If God requires you to kill for him, he's not a very powerful God.

gabe:
I just knew it would be muslims that killed him. So insecure about their religion. If u want to die, just go to kano and start arguing that mohammed was not sent by God. Pakistan, a muslim country has blasphemy laws. So stupid they asked facebook to punish blasphemers! In saudi arabia, u cant even go to church not to talk of being atheist. Saying you are atheist publicly will just kill you in any muslim community. Maybe because islam is so full of bullshit a little examining will expose its lies.

Pastafarian:

Hehehehehehehehe

there are churches in Saudi Arabia, what they don't want is evangelism

gabe:
I just knew it would be muslims that killed him. So insecure about their religion. If u want to die, just go to kano and start arguing that mohammed was not sent by God. Pakistan, a muslim country has blasphemy laws. So stupid they asked facebook to punish blasphemers! In saudi arabia, u cant even go to church not to talk of being atheist. Saying you are atheist publicly will just kill you in any muslim community. Maybe because islam is so full of bullshit a little examining will expose its lies.

Demmzy15:
OK, I said lynching people is not allowed and those who perpetuated that crime would executed.

So don't complicate any issue here! True2god continue dey flex muscles, I no get ya time!

true2god:
What's the name of the church and where is it located in Saudi Arabia?

Pastafarian:


you're allowed to practise your faith in a private manner, Christians gather but they are not allowed to do it openly or have buildings dedicated to their faith; the Government guarantees and protects the right to private worship for all, including non-Muslims

something similar but a bit more relaxed applies to the country "Vatican City"

Papist:

Are you seriously comparing Vatican City to Saudi Arabia?

Pastafarian:


you're allowed to practise your faith in a private manner, Christians gather but they are not allowed to do it openly or have buildings dedicated to their faith; the Government guarantees and protects the right to private worship for all, including non-Muslims
infact, Ahamadiyya Muslims are even much more persecuted in Saudi Arabia than Christians cuz they're not even allowed into the country at all

something similar but a bit more relaxed applies to the country "Vatican City"

Papist:

Are you seriously comparing Vatican City to Saudi Arabia?

true2god:
That's not the answer to my question. You said there are churches in Saudi Arabia and I asked you to mention the name of the church and the place it is located but you couldn't because no single church in Saudi Arabia. If you wear a crucifix you will be arrested in Saudi Arabia. If you carry a Bible you will be arrested, so where is the religious freedom?

I am not talking about the ahmadiya, don't divert please. Saudi Arabia is the land of Mohammed and the most hostile country to the Jews and the Christians. Almost every Friday, Christians and Jews are cursed in their mosques, so why are you technically defending Islamic apartheid and evil orchestrated by Mohammed?

true2god:
Like 90% of Muslims, the guy is deceptive for comparing the Vatican city (which is the largest church inside Rome, in Italy) to Saudi Arabia. Even the Qur'an had been read, many times, inside the Vatican city, though most Christians do not like the Catholic approach to the interfaith dialogue which is almost the easiest way of meeting Islamic demands in Europe and America.

Pastafarian:


ha!

see loads of nonsense and strawman with so much aggressiveness; your campaign against Islam has turned you to something worse that you can't see the forest for trees

"church" I was referring to is the gathering of Christians not physical buildings, they allow it they just don't want you doing it publicly; that's why I made mention of Vatican city; show me a mosque in Vatican city

the problem humans generally have is that we always rely on the news 100% which is usually given to us with agenda in mind, this leads to painting certain places the way they want people to see it; you read extreme exaggerations of events and swallow it hook line and sinker BECAUSE you desperately want to believe its so

I have a Christian friend who WORKS in Saudi Arabia so I know what I'm talking about first hand and not some Google of anti Islamic blogs things people do; I learn about the country from the horse's mouth and he told me they're allowed to gather in privacy

You're allowed to bring bible into Saudi Arabia for your Personal use, you're allowed to walk holding it, you're allowed to read it (not read it out)

However, importing a quantity of bibles with the intent of converting Muslims away from Islam is against the law and may warrant harsh penalties; going about preaching any other religion is totally illegal

as for crucifix, I don't know but its safe to say you're totally wrong about that too since you failed woefully in the bible part; I'll ask him when we communicate next

like I said, you're allowed to gather and pray to your god but you need to make it as private as possible and you can't build cathedrals and buildings meant for other religions

and my point about Ahammadiyya is still valid! they're not even allowed into the country; they're more persecuted than Christians and that's a fact!



let me reiterate that I got these information firsthand

true2god:
A typical Muslim denying his faith to appear 'neutral' in public space but spend his energy attacking Christianity while defending Islam. You are not the first person nor the last to engage in this 'business'.

As at 1920, the Vatican was part and parcel of Rome but attain autonomy (inside the city of Rome) in order to avoid the conflict of interest between the Italian govt and the Catholic church. The Vatican city is roughly the size of Lagos island, here in Nigeria and 100% church buildings and church offices where catholic churches are controlled worldwide.

Saudi Arabia is a county roughly as big as Nigeria with no single church. Historically, Christianity was in Saudi Arabia before Islam. Mohammed and his bandits expelled the Jews and Christians from Saudi Arabia (I can provide the hadith that sanctioned this religious cleansing action).

And your argument that Saudi Arabia allowed private Christian worship is an attempt by you to legitimize injustice and evil, which an average Arab-muslim is known for and they justified their actions using the Koran and the hadith. And fya, since Saudi Arabia do not allow a single church building, why do they spend billion of dollars for the construction of mosques in non-muslim lands? You will criminally spin it as usual.

SirWere:
Religion strikes again

Pastafarian:


ha!

see loads of nonsense and strawman with so much aggressiveness; your campaign against Islam has turned you to something worse that you can't see the forest for trees

"church" I was referring to is the gathering of Christians not physical buildings, they allow it they just don't want you doing it publicly; that's why I made mention of Vatican city; show me a mosque in Vatican city

the problem humans generally have is that we always rely on the news 100% which is usually given to us with agenda in mind, this leads to painting certain places the way they want people to see it; you read extreme exaggerations of events and swallow it hook line and sinker BECAUSE you desperately want to believe its so

I have a Christian friend who WORKS in Saudi Arabia so I know what I'm talking about first hand and not some Google of anti Islamic blogs things people do; I learn about the country from the horse's mouth and he told me they're allowed to gather in privacy

You're allowed to bring bible into Saudi Arabia for your Personal use, you're allowed to walk holding it, you're allowed to read it (not read it out)

However, importing a quantity of bibles with the intent of converting Muslims away from Islam is against the law and may warrant harsh penalties; going about preaching any other religion is totally illegal

as for crucifix, I don't know but its safe to say you're totally wrong about that too since you failed woefully in the bible part; I'll ask him when we communicate next

like I said, you're allowed to gather and pray to your god but you need to make it as private as possible and you can't build cathedrals and buildings meant for other religions

and my point about Ahammadiyya is still valid! they're not even allowed into the country; they're more persecuted than Christians and that's a fact!



let me reiterate that I got these information firsthand

JackBizzle:



true2god was telling the truth.

bibles and crucifix aint allowed in saudi. religious police will get you.


from a fellow atheist, bros stop the lies

true2god:
Islamic lies are indefensible and the only way to prevent critical examination of Islam is crude violence by the radicals, while the so-called moderate Muslims pay lip service to the terrors of Islamic radicals.

Mohammed, the founder of Islam, had 100% knowledge of the modus operandi of Islam. He said and I quote: I have been made victorious by means of terror (sahih Bukhari 4:52:220).

jonbellion:
the funny thing about that stupid religion is that in countries that are the minority the Muslims shout for minority rights
But in countries that they are the majority there are no minority rights
Very barbaric religion

Pastafarian:


http://www.snopes.com/punishment-reading-bible-saudi-arabia/

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/saudi-arabia/local-laws-and-customs

digest

most of those stories you hear about Saudi Arabia are exaggerations


NB, I made it clear that I have a Nigerian friend living in Saudi Arabia and he's a Christian; unless he's lying to me which he has no reason to

JackBizzle:


Muslims or non-Muslims wearing religious symbols of any kind in public risk confrontation with the Mutawwa'in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_Arabia


The Government has stated publicly, including before the U.N. Committee on Human Rights in Geneva, that its policy is to protect the right of non-Muslims to worship privately. However, non-Muslim organizations have claimed that there are no explicit guidelines for distinguishing between public and private worship,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_Arabia

Pastafarian:


your first point is that bibles and crucifix are not allowed; apparently you've now known the bible part at least to be totally false

difference between my point and yours? you're quoting Wikipedia while I gave you a UK government owned website giving instructions to English citizens that might be travelling to Saudi Arabia and I also gave you a website that challenges misconceptions to also buttress that

despite my link being more credible than yours, I still won't wave away your point; what distinguishes private from public are simply

1. not to be so loud that people asides those worshipping with you can hear you

2. not to go around preaching

3. not to attempt to convert anyone that's a Muslim away from Islam

once you don't violate any of these three conditions, you're okay, you can bring bible into Saudi Arabia so long it's ONLY for your private use, you can move around with your bible, you can read it in public so long you don't read it out

the above are what I know from a Christian living and working in Saudi Arabia


let me add the same disclaimer, I'm not in any way saying Saudi Arabia encourages religious freedom, NO!; What I'm saying is that its not as bad as mainstream media portrays them and that's a fact!

Pastafarian:


your first point is that bibles and crucifix are not allowed; apparently you've now known the bible part at least to be totally false

difference between my point and yours? you're quoting Wikipedia while I gave you a UK government owned website giving instructions to English citizens that might be travelling to Saudi Arabia and I also gave you a website that challenges misconceptions to also buttress that

despite my link being more credible than yours, I still won't wave away your point; what distinguishes private from public are simply

1. not to be so loud that people asides those worshipping with you can hear you

2. not to go around preaching

3. not to attempt to convert anyone that's a Muslim away from Islam

once you don't violate any of these three conditions, you're okay, you can bring bible into Saudi Arabia so long it's ONLY for your private use, you can move around with your bible, you can read it in public so long you don't read it out

the above are what I know from a Christian living and working in Saudi Arabia


let me add the same disclaimer, I'm not in any way saying Saudi Arabia encourages religious freedom, NO!; What I'm saying is that its not as bad as mainstream media portrays them and that's a fact!

JackBizzle:





You talk (write) too much.

Furthermore, an official from the Saudi Consulate in New York, who declined to identify herself, said that foreigners wanting to bring a Bible or wearing a crucifix or Star of David around their neck would face problems with Saudi authorities.

"You are not allowed to bring that stuff into the kingdom," she said, according to the Post Wednesday. "If you do, they will take it away," she warned.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/bibles.crucifixes.not.allowed.into.saudi.arabia/12310.htm



And please, don't be that kind of liberal that bends over to defend islam. You say that the media exaggerates the intolerance in saudi arabia. FALSE! The media under-reports it actually. Saudi Arabia is actually one of the worst places to be a religious minority and they get away with it due to Americas need for Saudi oil deals and contracts.

Pastafarian:


And you just talked (wrote) a lot without saying anything

So opinion of someone who did not identify herself (anonymous) and whose story is on a Christian owned website is somehow to be taken as fact and not the UK government telling its citizens that its okay to take Personal Bibles to UK? Maybe the UK government is okay with their citizens being punished in foreign countries for doing things they said its okay for citizens to do; this anonymous opinion on a Christian website it's somehow also more valid than that of a Christian friend I have working in Saudi Arabia right now; I hope you're not having an extreme case of confirmation bias cuz that's what it looks like judging by your googling and presenting biased facts that seems to buttress your already held prejudice

You're one of the people being corrected here http://www.snopes.com/punishment-reading-bible-saudi-arabia/


Can you tell me in what way I've defended Islam here? Did any of my points so far show that I am somehow claiming Islam is okay or that Saudi Arabia is very conducive to Christians? Sounds like strawman; Saudi Arabia is one of the countries with horrible religious freedom, fact! I've made this clear on this thread time and again; I'm only correcting this trend of generalisations, exaggerations flowing around and no one has been able to give me credible fact that contradicts that and not just Wikipedia and hearsay from Christian websites