achorladey:

The nation of Israel were warned of human sacrifice and was also clearly stated in the mosaic law as Deut 18:10.. Do not allow your sons or daughters pass through the fire. Did the Israelites obey? Ask King Manasseh in 2 Kings 21:6. The possibilities for using human as sacrifice had always exist with the nations surrounding the Israelites. Now you see why the laws in Leviticus said ''blood of any sort of flesh''. Oga ponder over that.
Yes, Thank God you said Jesus did not call for reckless abandon of the law. Yes the JWs don't want to abandon the part that says ''abstain from blood''. Please don't tell me it is that of animals alone or only.
For the records, the JWs will never blame God for the consequences of their actions, those are your own assumptions.
Have they(Jws) ''ever'' blamed God for not bringing this world to an end around some time in the past century as stated in their magazines or books or whatever? Questions for you to ponder!!!!!!

Peacefullove:



Put down your pride man, No one manufacture grave, am only asking a question . dont u see question mark (?)
and if you don't understand something ask for clarification.

AGAIN

Hear the verse again.

" And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. " says Mark 9:43


emphasis on " two hands " mentioned there. people die everyday and you wont hear that a man dies and his two hands disappeared into hell , do you ?
do you ? SO DID JESUS LIE HERE ?

so lets be objective and logical. Do a dead man two hands go to an imaginary hell As stated in the above verse or its buried in the grave ?

Hairyrapunzel:


Jesus preached about hell fire to you. Jesus never mentioned grave. Abeg in grave is there unquenchable fire? Is your grave that is imaginary not the hell cos hell is mentioned in that verse. You change hell to mean grave in your head and call hell with unquenchable fire . Is there an unquenchable fire in your grave.

Thank God the phrase before two hands said crippled. Do people go on to afterlife with certain parts of their body?

Hairyrapunzel:


See you die for a law made in 1945 don't say it is God's that made the law. You are lying on God's head. You have been predicting your sky daddy will end this world since 1879. Like I said stop saying you are upholding the law of God so you must kill yourself if necessary. You still not shown me where early christians choose to die over upholding a mosaic law. So it is a good thing they made false prediction that their new system will come in 1975 right? You cant blame God when your organisation was founded by psychopaths and schizophrenics and saying God told you to die rather than accept blood transfusion is false cos the president of your organisation told you at that time to do dat.

They blamed the rank and file for the prediction after writing it in their magazines and books not the People that wrote those magazines Mtcheewww

The verses before and after those verses talk about animals for food and sacrifice. So those verses cannot be used as a yardstick or an excuse for murder of people. OK now is menassehs story but the humans sacrificed at the end of the day died and dey didn't write anything on drinking blood. Infact menasseh was killing humans and God said thou shall not commit murder. That law was specific for animals meant for food and sacrifice. Manasseh and leveticus don't relate it is not because of him God made the law on eating blood of animals sacrificed or for food. Why do you people mix scriptures? Why do you people pick just one verse in a chapter discarding other verses not in line with your doctrine using this single verses out of the context? Say no to bible distortion

Why will jws choose blood fractions donated by wordly donors and autologous blood transfusion.? Why the double speak?

Hairyrapunzel:


It is watchtower standpoint that states that abstaining from blood including blood transfusion is unacceptable. There is nowhere in the bible that says abstaining from blood transfusion is unacceptable so saying abstaining from blood including blood transfusion is Gods standpoint is a misnomer.

paulGrundy:


Which adjustments? Back and forth adjusts? Like the adjustments on the teachings of how witnesses should behave towards superior authorities?



At a time in history your watchtower was sold from door to door, not until the US made a law that forced Religious groups to pay Taxes on the sale of religious literature, that was when they stopped selling Awake! And watchtower.
the Watchtower Society then initiated the 'voluntary donation' arrangement. A letter to elders in the United States was sent on February 21st 1990, changing the distribution of magazines to a donation arrangement, effective from March 1st 1990. This was rolled out to other countries over coming months. Information explaining the arrangement to congregations was provided in the Our Kingdom Ministry,1991 March pp.3,4 titled "Our Simplified Literature Distribution Arrangement". To ensure that the Watchtower would not be disadvantaged by the new arrangement, Witnesses were told to donate for the literature they pick up at the kingdom hall, and then also donate any money received from householders, something akin to double-dipping. A further letter to congregations followed January 24th 1991, with the following explanation for why the double donation was not to be considered donating twice.





In 2010, the valuation of Watchtower real-estate in Brooklyn alone exceeded a billion dollars. By claiming religious or charity status, the billions earned over the last century have been largely tax free.

The Watchtower Society has used stocks, bonds and trusts as investment vehicles. One such trust was the H M Riley Trust, from the deceased estate of Henrietta Riley.


This trust trades in a wide spread of bonds and shares in companies such as Exxon Mobil, Coca Cola, Proctor & Gamble, Phillip Morris (one of the world's largest cigarette manufacturers) and Cardinal Health (who supply medical equipment including for blood transfusions.)


In 2007, Watchtower had an SEC filing for a $40 million dollar hedge fund through K2 STB Fund Ltd, located in the Cayman Islands. For a full description see watchtowerlies.org.

Shares have also been held in Rand, a supplier to the U.S. Department of Defence, as shown at this SEC filing as of 20th Feb 2015.

Watchtower was an attendee at the Goldman Sachs 2012 Growth Markets Summit, Growth Markets Insights: Shaping Global Investment Themes (link active as of 2 Jan 2016).

Techcontrol:

THIS IS BETTER THAN YOUR FRAUDULENT LEADERS WHO EXTORT MONEY FROM THE POOR IN THE NAME OF "TITHES" . WHO BUY PRIVATE JETS WITH THE MONEY FROM THOSE WHO CANNOT AFFORD 3SQUARE MEALS A DAY. THOSE WHO WISH YOU WELL SO THAT WHEN YOU PROGRESS IN LIFE ( HALLELUJAH, MY PASTOR SAID IT) THEN YOU BRING HIS OWN SHARE IN FORM OF OFFERING AND TITHES.
ARE YOU IN PAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE FUNDS? IF ITS BECAUSE OF THE TOKEN (VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION) PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE FOR THE WORLDWIDE WORK DID YOU THINK THE "WORLD WIDE WORK CAN BE DONE" ?YOUR OWN HATRED FOR JEHOVAH'S PEOPLE HAS CONSUMED YOU!
JUST COMPARE AND LOOK FOR THE TRUTH, YOU ARE LOST!

Drehilton:


Jesus did not preach hell fire.Yes in that context on most bible translation you might see "HELL FIRE"in some,this is a deliberate misinformation and misinterpretation of bible translation.
Jesus mention HELL in that context.
Hell,Haides(Greek word),sheol(Hebrew word) all mean the same thing---GRAVE
When did the teaching of hell fire started?
Do good people go to hell fire?
Don't you think that it is unfare and cruel that God did not warn the first couple ADAM and EVE that their disobedience would cause their death and they would be thrown in HELLFIRE?

ANSWER

1[i])Depiction of hell portrayed in Catholic churches in italy has ETRUSCAN ROOTS-
google up--LA CIVILLA ETRUSCA(MILAN 1979),WERNER KELLER,PAGES 389.
ALSO read the ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA (1957,vol.xiv,pages 81). . .PLEASE READ UP.[/i]
TRANSLATORS HAVE ALLOWED THEIR PERSONAL BELIEF TO COLOR THEIR WORK
2)Hell and NOT Hellfire means GRAVE,and righteous people to go there.no wonder job stated that he wants to go to hell(job 14:13)
At Acts 2:25-27...David spoke about Jesus..(Please Read up as he also mention hell)You can as well read REV 20:13,14(he'll delivered those dead before they were judged.
3)God told Adam,not to eat the forbidden fruit..he said they would die...for dust they were and to dust they would return...
Don't you think he ought to have said that they would go to hell fire and they would burn for eternity?for them to know how serious their disobeying would be?HE MUST BE A CRUEL GOD,DON'T YOU THINK?
SEE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS FURTHER ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD...
READ--ECCLESIASTICS 9:5,10
PSALM--146:4
EZEKIEL--18:4..etc.
There is hell but there's no HELLFIRE.
AT DEATH,MAN RETURNS TO DUST

Techcontrol:

THIS IS BETTER THAN YOUR FRAUDULENT LEADERS WHO EXTORT MONEY FROM THE POOR IN THE NAME OF "TITHES" . WHO BUY PRIVATE JETS WITH THE MONEY FROM THOSE WHO CANNOT AFFORD 3SQUARE MEALS A DAY. THOSE WHO WISH YOU WELL SO THAT WHEN YOU PROGRESS IN LIFE ( HALLELUJAH, MY PASTOR SAID IT) THEN YOU BRING HIS OWN SHARE IN FORM OF OFFERING AND TITHES.
ARE YOU IN PAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE FUNDS? IF ITS BECAUSE OF THE TOKEN (VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION) PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE FOR THE WORLDWIDE WORK DID YOU THINK THE "WORLD WIDE WORK CAN BE DONE" ?YOUR OWN HATRED FOR JEHOVAH'S PEOPLE HAS CONSUMED YOU!
JUST COMPARE AND LOOK FOR THE TRUTH, YOU ARE LOST!

Drehilton:


You've didn't answer any of the questions.
you just dodged ALL the questions.

I didn't dodge any question if God can okay wars if he is the God of war, and if he will end the world with war why shouldn't he ok wars after all I He is thesame God yesterday today and forever.


FYI,in his dealings with the Israelite David the last human king to fight war for Jehovah and that was why he was not allowed to build the temple which his son Solomon later built.
THERE IS A PURPOSE THAT THOSE WARS SERVED=Remember,the israelite are CHOSEN

So now only the chosen can fight wars like your governing body members killing non jws alongside Jesus during the holy war. So much hypocrisy in your religion. You wish for holy war to enter your new system but you say war is not good


Can same be said of today's man made wars?
Please,sincerely answer the questions and stop beating around the Bush.

Somebody can claim he is gods chosen and start a war to wipe out others he feels are not gods chosen. War is never the answer. Causes loss of life, property, emotional trauma etc. Peace is all we need. But when I know I am in danger because theysay they will kill me because of the God I believe or because of my race or tribe I will support my army in whatever decision it makes. I know my army will not fight an unjust war. War in middle east. People killing others for their religious beliefs does it sound fair to you? If the ones that are killing others are not ready to stop then they deserve a taste of their own medicine. I will support war against people who kill people unjustly. I support war against Isis. You cant just come out and say you will kill somebody because you are different in race, gender, religion, ethnicity, status etc



HONESTLY:I can see that you're just finding excuses,but I keep replying you not because of you...But,perhaps someone might be following our discussion and critically analyse what we have been discussing.
Am not debating with you and am not here to win any argument.

I am no avoiding anything I am trying to make you see the hypocrisy in your religion. You hate wars but you will fight in the war during armageddon. To kill humans is still in your head too.

achorladey:

Manasseh was killing humans, I thought you were looking for cited scriptures on human sacrifice. Smh for. You will still comeback and tell its distorted.
Yes, they didn't write g on drinking of blood. In your Bible, did they write anything on blood transfusion is acceptable in line with keep Abstaining from blood.
Why double speak? Check your opening statements in your third paragraph.

achorladey:

Good for you. Enjoy your life.

Hairyrapunzel:


God said thou shall not kill. Do you think he was talking about animals here?
If your doctrine kills people it is a false doctrine and false religion
Don't make excuse saying you are upholding God's law. Killing is killing. When you try to justify your not going to war not to kill people because God said you should not kill. Then you try to justify your killing due to blood transfusion ban saying you are upholding God's law. So what if the people going to war are upholding their God's will then they are right. So Isis may be right after all.

You see how you twist scriptures now to say that people used to do human sacrifice that is why leveticus 17 vs 10 and 14 where written. when they were 14 verses before and after verses 10 and 11 clearly stated that it was for animals. My point is you are not to kill any human being.

The isrealites don't even practice the blood transfusion ban sef. Life is of utmost importance to God don't let anyone tell you your life on earth has no meaning. Life of every human being is significant.

We are not under the Law but under grace. “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink” (Colossians 2:16). So, eating a rare steak, blood sausage, blood pancakes, blood soup, or blood tofu or pork or bacon may not be palatable to all Christians, but it is allowable.

Where there is God there is freedom. Don't tell me a medical procedure is against God's will when He didn't say so. STOP LYING ON GOD'S HEAD

achorladey:

One thing am sure about all the things highlighted is in your definition of ''grace'' is, there is reckless abandon of God's law.
Good you cite Colossians 2:16, it simply means you had no right to question the JWs stance on not accepting blood(keep abstaining, Acts 15:29) in the first instance, the reply you got in the course of this conversation were because you were bent judging there stance isn't it, or you are trying to say the watchtower have bloodguilt on there hands. Oga leave the JWs, the Watchtower or the rank and file as you call them alone, you are not expected to judge them in the first instance because according to the last line before your last paragraph you said ''abstaining from blood is ALLOWABLE''.
I hope abstaining from blood of all sort of flesh is God's will. Right or wrong?
Don't tell the JWs too that, keep abstaining from blood is against God's will. The bible did not say so as well.

Drehilton:


That is where the misconception and misinterpretation comes from.
I do not and would never take up Arms FOR any season.
Please note that the war of Arrmagedon would not be fought by humans.
its between angels led by Jesus VS Satan and bis demone and his supporters on earth.
I dont Know where you heard that the war would be fought by witnesses.

Hairyrapunzel:


They are thesame thing no difference. So you mean they tell people to give offering tithe etc by force. Hmm ignorance. That progress by giving you still preach it. Doesn't jehovah love a cheerful giver?

Your cartoons that say children should put their ice cream money in donation boxes. Infact your organisation steals from children. How is it voluntary telling children to put their ice cream money in donation box?

Hairyrapunzel:


Jesus preached about hell fire to you. Jesus never mentioned grave. Abeg in grave is there unquenchable fire? Is your grave that is imaginary not the hell cos hell is mentioned in that verse. You change hell to mean grave in your head and call hell with unquenchable fire . Is there an unquenchable fire in your grave.

Thank God the phrase before two hands said crippled. Do people go on to afterlife with certain parts of their body?

Hairyrapunzel:



At least you agree there will be a war of armaggedon before your new system comes. But your governing body member said he will be beside Jesus killing the non jws and satan during armageddon. Or he will he be an angel too? That means he will go to heaven and become an angel. I thought all of you were to wake up in paradise?

Jesus and angels versus satan and demons and Satan's supporters on earth. What of Jesus supporters on earth? Dis war field is even bias. Satan, demons, and Satan's supporters on earth on one side then on the other side only Jesus and angels. What of Jesus supporters? You people even want Jesus to do the dirty job of killing satan, demons and his supporters

Always tell people that the Satan's supporters are non jws even children of non jws, people who are considered apostates by jws and people who have never heard of jws in their life.

When you tell people hellfire is a bad teaching and how God is a loving God imagine children and people burning always let them know that your jehovah will commit mass genocide in armageddon. Tell them that he will kill non jws and their children just because even people who have never heard about him they refused to pay allegiance to watchtower organisation.

Don't throw stones if you live in glass houses.

Hairyrapunzel:


There is nothing like reckless abandon of God's law if you accept blood transfusion it is not in the bible in the first place. It is a medical procedure aimed at saving lives here on earth.
People cannot question jw stand on blood transfusion yet they can judge other christian religions especially catholics calling their religion false. And judging them for celebrating Christmas, easter, birthdays, thanksgiving, saluting to their country's flag saying because of these acts they will die in armaggedon aren't you judging them already? No human being is born with a belief. Beliefs are learned so is religion. Parent ending their Childrens life because of a doctrine children you don't even know what their religion will be until when they become old enough to think on their own.

Killing is killing, murder is murder irrespective of the act and motives behind it. One of the greatest invention in medicine so far is blood transfusion. It has helped so many people. God will not have a problem with a medical procedure meant to save life here on earth. Infact it gives people time to get to know Jesus better also to repent of their evil ways. You don't cut your lives or your children's life because of man made doctrine made in 1945.

Don't tell the JWs too that, keep abstaining from blood is against God's will. The bible did not say so as well


You see this your statement it shows how deceitful you are. Now you say keep abstaining from blood is against God's will.

Let me make it clear to you this is what I said. God did not say keep abstaining from blood including blood transfusion. God did not say abstain from blood transfusion. God did not say abstain from autologous blood transfusion or abstain from blood fractions it was a man called nathan knorr that said so in 1945.

achorladey:

But God said we should abstain from blood or what was the message passed across by God through the older men as recorded in Acts 15:29

Hairyrapunzel:


And God didn't say abstain from blood transfusion

Techcontrol:

FUNNY YOU, CHILDREN! YES! GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER, WE ARE TEACHING THEM TO GIVE CHEERFULLY. WHEN I WAS YOUNG, MY PARENTS TAUGHT ME, AND NOW I GIVE WHEN MY HEART MOVE ME, WE DON'T PREACH MONEY YOU SEE. WE PREACH HOW TO BE A GOOD FATHER, CHILDREN, WIVES AND ALSO HOW WE CAN DRAW CLOSER TO GOD, HOW WE CAN BEST PREACH THE GOOD NEWS OF GODS KINGDOM, HOW WE CAN LOVE OURSELVES AS CHRISTIANS AND AS A FAMILY, HOW WE REACT WHEN WE ARE HURT ETC------ETC-----ETC WHAT TIME DO WE HAVE TO PREACH MONEY OUT OF THE POCKETS OF THE "CONGREGATION MEMBERS". WHAT WE WILL PREACH FOR THE NEXT ONE YEAR IS READYYYYYYYY. ARE YOU SAD? THEN JOIN THEM, MAYBE OUR GOD JEHOVAH WOULD HAVE MERCY ON YOU.

achorladey:

If the primary concern of the JWs first is, abstaining from the blood even before drawing near its transfusion why chasten them? Even the medical practitioner that know there onions sees it as a last resort. A kind of last resort that comes with it's own baggage. Please forget that part that says saving the life allows the person to know Jesus, it will equally allow the person to know the Devil and commit more atrocities as well. Cutting it short would have even given the individual opportunity to rest early and forget about the troubles of the world.

Peacefullove:


The only sensible question in your post @ bold which is a question I should ask you, according Mark 9:43 you quoted.. didnt Jesus say people go to hell with their two hands ? answer that, then lets face reality

Hairyrapunzel:



So because there is a chance the child will know devil in the future parents should just kill their kids instead. Are you kidding me cutting someone's life short voluntarily. Interesting wow. Well like I said murder is murder killing is killing irrespective of the motive behind it. Is it not thesame as shooting someone or yourself to make you or them rest early and forget about the troubles of the world.

Mehn you people need help. Psychopaths think similarly they end peoples life cutting it short so they can rest early and forget the troubles of this world without any conscience not even remorse.

Where is the love you people say you even have? For religion created by a schizophrenic from America in 1879 you kill yourself or your kids because there is a chance they or you will watchtower organisation and you want them to rest early and forget about the troubles of the world.

Goodluck in preaching about the end of the world where Jesus will kill all non jws. At least you guys hav preaching it for 138 years. Kudos

Hairyrapunzel:


Answer my own first. Well it doesn't change the fact that hell fire is in the bible you cannot erase it. Deal with it. Hellfire is real that's where the bad guys go.
Why are you afraid of it?
Do people go on to afterlife with certain parts of their bodies?
Does your grave have unquenchable fire in it?
Don't expect me to answer your question when you can't answer my own

You say hellfire is bad and God is loving yet God will Kill non jws at Armageddon it's the same message to me stop saying your jehovah is loving.

And by the way the discussion was about Russia jws ban and classification as extremist.

Drehilton:

Your the one throwing stones...Just look at my reply and compare it with what you replied.
It appears that youre confused.Am not the one to determine who are satans followers...AM NOT GOD.
To answer your question,when a war is fought there are usually survivors...Similary Those counted as righteous by GOD would Survive.AM NOT and NOBODY can decide those that would be destroyed or saved.

The aim of the war is to make all things new.
RIGHTEOUSNESS IN VIEW..
.......ponder on this
When the flood happened in Noahs day,did it spare any class even children eccepito those counted righteous?....
When Sodom and Gomorah was destroyed,did it spare any one except those counted as righteous?
...Based on what your supposed theory is,are you saying that children would be excempted from hellfire.

Youre in no position to be a moral judge.

When a cloth is dirty.You wash the dirt out and not throw away the cloth....SAME THING WOULD HAPPEN TO THIS EARTH.
DONT PLAY GOD,HE KNOWS HOW TO HANDLE ALL THINGS.

Peacefullove:
to kill people and let them rest for eternity is far better than torturing them for infinity of years , its horrible to think about that nonsense.

now to your questions.

1. am not afraid of it, it doesnt exist!

2. I dont belive in afterlife, so you that belive in it should explain how come peoples hand follow them to hell according to your bible ?

3. Grave is filled with sand, So am wondering how ur bible arrive at two hands in hell.



Hahahahahaha, Now I know u are a seriously confused person.

Flashback: I raised an objection against the religious teaching on hellfire , Only for you to throw up Mark 9:43 as proof .



in my examination of your proof, I saw that the verse mentions HAND a body part as going to hell , thus arise the question : Do body parts like the hand actually go to hell ?

instead of answering, u rant about substituting grave in the verse , something I never do , I only asked that do body parts go to hell as stated in Mark 9:43 or Body parts go to the grave where they are buried , only an analysis of facts arising from what u gave as evidence. IF U ARE REALLY SURE OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE , answer that question at Underlined .

achorladey:

Your point of view not mine(your second, third paragraph). You are entitled to it. Don't know when I became Jesus that decides who survive this system of things.

Hairyrapunzel:



Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12

During the final period of the ancient world that perished in the Flood, Noah was a faithful preacher of righteousness. (2 Peter 2:5) In these last days of the present system of things, Jehovah's people are making known Gods righteous standards and are declaring good news about the possibility of surviving into the new world. (2 Peter 3:9-13) Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization." Watchtower 2006 May 15 p.22 "Are You Prepared for Survival?"

"There are billions of people who do not know Jehovah. Many of them in ignorance practice things that God's Word shows to be wicked. If they persist in this course, they will be among those who perish during the great tribulation." Watchtower 1993 Oct 1 p.19
"
Yes, the destruction of the gross sinners in those cities was eternal, as will be the destruction of the wicked at the end of the
present system of things." Watchtower 1990 Apr 15 p.20
"
The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those that are destroyed then." Kingdom Ministry 1968 Mar p.4

From the above statements watchtower says billions will die because they are not part of your organisation and they have no hope of resurrection.


"An even greater mistake would be to allow the faults of others to stumble us and cause us to leave Jehovah's organisation. Were that to happen, we would lose not only the privilege of doing God's will but also the hope of life in God's new world." Watchtower 2016 Jun study ed pp.25-26

"Really, our survival involves being devoted to Jehovah God and learning about the kind of conduct and deeds that please him. (Zephaniah 2:3) Rather than following the majority today and ignoring the clear signals that we are living in such important times, we need to “keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.” Jehovah’s Witnesses can show you from the Bible how you can be a survivor of this upcoming day." Watchtower 2015 May 1 p.8
"If we stop actively supporting Jehovah's work, then we start following Satan. There is no middle ground." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.18

"But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things." Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14

"They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah's organization is essential to their salvation." Kingdom Ministry 1990 Nov p.1

Saying only God knows who will be saved or destroyed in armageddon is being deceitful. You just want to maintain a good face value. From the look of things only association with your organisation can guarantee your being saved in armageddon. You don't have to lie.

"What will happen to young children at Armageddon? The Bible does not directly answer that question, and we are not the judges. However, the Bible does show that God views the young children of true Christians as "holy." (1 Cor. 7:14) It also reveals that in times past when God destroyed the wicked he likewise destroyed their little ones." Reasoning from the Scriptures pp.47-48

"Children are affected by the course of their parents, and parents are warned that their iniquity is visited on their offspring unto the third and fourth generation. (Ex. 20:5, 6) Parents are commanded to instruct their children in God's way, and if in these last days parents refuse to heed the divine instruction and warning they bring destruction upon themselves and their small children at Armageddon. (Deut. 6:6, 7; Eph. 6:4) According to justice God can leave such children dead, for, as Ezekiel showed, all die in their iniquity." Watchtower 1950 Nov 15 p.463 Questions From Readers

"By all the evidences this system of things is hastening to its final confrontation with the God of justice at Armageddon. Parents and children who fail to gain the "mark on their foreheads," that is, an adequate appreciation of God's moral standard, are sure to suffer. Parents will be held accountable for their children, and children will suffer for the failure of their parents." Watchtower 1968 Feb 1 pp.83-84


From the above statements it shows that even children will die because theirparents refused to join your organisation

"As for humans upon earth, on the side of Jehovah will be all those fully dedicated to him and who are faithfully following Jesus Christ; compared with earth's billions these are indeed few.... On Satan's side will be all the rest of mankind, more than 99.9 percent, even as we read: "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." That includes all the governments of the world together with their supporters, the commercial, religious and social institutions.... Armageddon will be the worst thing ever to hit this earth in the history of man." Watchtower 1958 Oct 15 pp.614-615


From the above watchtower is say 99.9% of the earth's population will be destroyed.

From the look of things your magazines say otherwise. They know who will be destroyed and saved.

Hairyrapunzel:


Thank God you said your grave is filled with sand not unquenchable fire. So in hell there is an unquenchable fire. If you have a problem with mark 9:43 take it to jesus. I am not the person who made the statement in the bible. The grave is filled with sand like you believe and hell is filled with unquenchable fire like I believe they said hell in the passage not grave. And I believe the bible not you.

Do human beings have hands? Do human beings have body parts? Jesus Christ in the bible made that statement and in it he made no mention of grave. Ask Jesus Christ if body parts go to hell where there is unquenchable fire