smallrincowis16:

why should suppose word of GOD be subjected to edition? can you even tell the biographies of those that write the manuscript?

Let me ask you a simple question. Who wrote the Koran?

Bible, still under the test of "Word Of God" 1 Chronicles 1:32:
"Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's
concubine: she bare Zimran, and
Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and
Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of
Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan. Which Abraham is the Bible referring to
here as having Concubine Is it the same Noble Prophet Abraham whom we all revered as the Father of Faith>? If yes, May Allah deal with those who
wrote the Bible and claim it's The Word of God! Woe unto them indeed! But if no, well, then it's up to the
generations of this Abraham to take legal
action against those who wrote; that their
great grandfather was busy having Concubine who even bore children for him.
As much as I would deem it fit to rubbish
this verse of blasphemy in a supposedly Word Of God tagged Bible, I'm very sure those who can reason well will surely
agree with me.
If it hadn't been applied to God All
Mighty's Prophet, no issue.
But since it is found in an acclaimed Word Of God, I say no! It's rubbish! Now, let's

IV. Scientific Inaccuracy of the Bible A. Earth is about 6000 years old, as calculated from the genealogies in Gen and Luke 3. (see the problem of a young earth later in the outline) B. Birds were created before land animals (Gen 1:20, 24). - Fossil record shows exact opposite C. Earth has four corners, and floats on water (Isa 11:12, Ps 24:2, 136:6, Rev 7:1). D. Earth is a circular disk (Isa 40:22). E. Earth is flat (these verses were used for centuries by the church to prove this: Ps 93:1, Jer 10:13, Dan 4:10-11, Zech 9:10, Matt 4:8, Rev 1:7) F. Earth does not move (Ps 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 1 Chr 16:30). G. Death or illness is caused by sin (Gen 2:17, Lev 26:16, 21, 25, Deut 7:15, 28:21, 27, James 1:15). H. God himself believes that a house or clothes can have leprosy and he details the remedy. Lev 13, 14. I. Seed must "die" before it grows (John 12:24, 1 Cor 15:36). J. Snakes eat dust (Gen 3:14, Isa 65:25). K. Every beast shall fear man (Gen 9:2). L. The ostrich abandons her eggs (Job 39:13-16). M. A river divides into four rivers and they flow in different directions (Gen 2:10). N. There was no rainbow before Noah's time (Gen 9:11-17). O. Thunder is God's voice (Ps 77:18). P. Earthquakes are caused by God's anger (Job 9:5, Ps 18:7, 77:18, 97:4, Isa 2:19, 24:20, 29:6, Jer 10:10, Ezek 38:20, Nah 1:5). Or by his voice (Heb 12:26). Or by Lucifer (Isa 14:16). Q. Earthquakes can occur in heaven (Heb 12:26). R. Rainwater does not return to the sky (Isa 55:10). S. Blood is "life" (Deut 12:23). Breath is "life" (Gen 2:7). T. Moon will turn to blood (Acts 2:20). U. The moon has a light of its own (Isa 13:10, Matt 24:29). V. The stars can be made to fall (Matt 24:29, Mark 13:25). W. The bat is a bird (Lev 11:13,19, Deut 14:11, 18). X. The whale is a fish (Jonah 1:17, Matt 12:40). Y. Whales were created before insects (Gen 1:21-24). Z. Jonah is able to survive three days and nights in the belly of the fish without oxygen and without being digested (Jonah1:17, 2:10). A1. The hare chews the cud (Lev 11:5-6). B1. Some fowl and insects have four legs (Lev 11:20-23). C1. Levi existed as a person in the loins of his great-grandfather (Heb 7:9-10).

Contradictions and internal errors in the Bible GE 1:14 God created lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night GE 1:4 God had already made this division earlier GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created. GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created. GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created. GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created. GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created. GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created. GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time. GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later. GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses. EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses. GE 2:5 There is no plant or shrubbery on the earth after god created it, before the fall because there was no one to "work the ground." GE 1:11-12 The land produced plants, trees and fruit on it's own without a worker. GE 3:17-18 Having to work the ground for food was a punishment for the fall GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil. HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil. GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god. EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire. EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god. LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing. NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce. 2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love. GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood. GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood. NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood. GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.

smallrincowis16:

i'm vindicated by your words. insertion and omition in the word of GOD? who are the writers of the manuscript? are they known and why do their words differ

Oh Lord. Don't you get it? The Bible is not just the Word of God. Have you even read it? It is a historical account, a guildline for Christians and the Word of God. The four gospels complements each other in the sense that what was omitted from one was recorded in another. Are your Hadiths complete? Are there not things omitted? Let's keep pretending like things weren't omitted from the Koran which you claim is the sole word of Allah. Like I said, Uthman burnt some. Aisha's sheep ate some. Abu Bakr sent people that had memorized some of it to war and they were killed. I don't see you complaining about that. At least we have manuscripts to back our Bible, what to you have to back your Koran

ilynem:

Let me ask you a simple question. Who wrote the Koran?

the prophet S.A.W and compiled by the students.
note the prophet had said that anything his companion do together is part of the religion

smallrincowis16:
Bible, still under the test of "Word Of God" 1 Chronicles 1:32:
"Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's
concubine: she bare Zimran, and
Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and
Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of
Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan. Which Abraham is the Bible referring to
here as having Concubine Is it the same Noble Prophet Abraham whom we all revered as the Father of Faith>? If yes, May Allah deal with those who
wrote the Bible and claim it's The Word of God! Woe unto them indeed! But if no, well, then it's up to the
generations of this Abraham to take legal
action against those who wrote; that their
great grandfather was busy having Concubine who even bore children for him.
As much as I would deem it fit to rubbish
this verse of blasphemy in a supposedly Word Of God tagged Bible, I'm very sure those who can reason well will surely
agree with me.
If it hadn't been applied to God All
Mighty's Prophet, no issue.
But since it is found in an acclaimed Word Of God, I say no! It's rubbish! Now, let's

It's really amusing a Muslim finds something wrong with a concubine being associated with Abraham in the bible whilst conveniently forgetting that even islamic sources confirm that hagar whose geanology Islam comes from was also a concubine. Not forgetting that mohammed also had multiple wives, sex slaves and concubines. Is it not the height of hypocrisy that you find it acceptable when mohammed's philandering is documented in islamic sources but when the bible records the issue of abraham's concubine you start ranting rubbish.

smallrincowis16:

the prophet S.A.W and compiled by the students.
note the prophet had said that anything his companion do together is part of the religion

So are you saying that the Koran is complete?

The Quran is not stable about the authenticity of the Bible. Allah told Muhammad to ask the Jews who read the Scriptures if he was in doubt about the islamic revelations he was receiving. If the Jews' Scriptures were corrupted, why would Muhammad be referred to it?

Several other.verses of the Quran say the Old and New Testament were authentic. But characteristic of allah's word, he contradicted himself in some other verses.

I don't trust the Quran a bit.

smallrincowis16:

you see you don't understand anything lols.
no one can change his word. but there is different between worker of ALLAH and bible. When a prophet leaves the surface of heart he leaves with his book and everything about him and leaves behind traces for the onew to emerge prophet

Are you from Pakistan?

smallrincowis16:

thats why i say you've never studies qur'an very well. whats mentioned in QUR'AN is injeel, which is quiet different from today's bible. Today's bible is not know to jesus himself. Bible was written by men not from instruction of jesus

And the Koran was not written by men? why do we keep seeing names like Anas bin malik and the rest as writers of the koran?

annunaki2:


Maybe you should ask him to produce the original injeel now. Remember mohaamed came 600 years after Jesus and he confirmed the injeel which was already in widespread circulation and canonised as part of the bible. Let him produce the injeel that mohamed confirmed or admit that he is a pathetic islamic liar.

Before Waraqa bin Nawal conferred the title of prophethood on Muhammed bin Abdullah, he (Waraqa) had already translated the New Testament from Greek to Arabic, so if Muslims claim the one we have today is corrupted, then the best they can do is produce the one Waraqa translated let's see.

smallrincowis16:

just answer this simple question. whats the name of bible according to bible to confirm its validity

Hahahahaha. What kind of a question is "What is the name of Bible according Bible?"

smallrincowis16:

i meant people just give the name bible to INJEEL. the today's bible is not known to ALLAH, nor his prophets

Okay, now the New Testament which Waraqa Bin Nawal, Kadijat's Uncle, translated to Arabic, What was the name?

Do you even know anything about Waraqa?

smallrincowis16:
A. Over 450 English versions of
the bible B. All are translated using
different methods and from
entirely different manuscripts C. Thousands of manuscripts
disagreeing with each other
wildly in what verses and even
books they contain, and how
those verses read. D. Different translations teach
entirely different things in places,
some often leaving out entire
chapters and verses or
containing footnotes warning of
possible error due to uncertainty about the reliability of the
numerous manuscripts. II. Availability - current
estimate is that 2,251 languages,
representing 193 million people,
lack a Bible translation III. Historical and Geographical
errors in the Bible A. River Gihon could not possibly
flow from Mesopotamia and
encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:13) B. The name Babel does not
come from the Hebrew word
'balbal' or 'confuse' but from the
babylonian 'babili' or 'gate of
God' which is a translation of the
original Sumerian name Ka- dimirra. (Gen 11:9) C. Ur was not a Chaldean city

But, Muslims fight and kill Christians who refuse to identify with Muhammed as a prophet mentioned in these corrupted versions of the Bibles. Or do you have a particular version which Muhammed is said to be a prophet in? I see imams quoting from this corrupted many versions of the Bibles to validate their points in arguments, why is that pls?

smallrincowis16:
please who can tell the biography of MARK, LUKE AND OTHERS

Why do you muslims quote from them if they are corrupted?

smallrincowis16:

the prophet S.A.W and compiled by the students.
note the prophet had said that anything his companion do together is part of the religion

According to the koran, who killed Muhammed?

analice107:
According to the koran, who killed Muhammed?

ALLAH kills and bring one to life

ilynem:
So are you saying that the Koran is complete?

very very sure of it. as in surest

analice107:

Why do you muslims quote from them if they are corrupted?

who quotes from them? laughing......... have you ever read any islamic jurisprudence text that quote anything to support anything is islam or what?
i yam nt undestanding

analice107:

Okay, now the New Testament which Waraqa Bin Nawal, Kadijat's Uncle, translated to Arabic, What was the name?

Do you even know anything about Waraqa?

lolsssssssssssss.
i'm bewildered. when we say something is corrupt does that means the thing in its entirety is useless. please read the verses i quoted above. you get to undertand better. QURAN emphasizes it that during the time of prophet S.A.W the truth of the past books were still much avialable but the jews and christian were either changing its judgement or refusing to follow it

analice107:

But, Muslims fight and kill Christians who refuse to identify with Muhammed as a prophet mentioned in these corrupted versions of the Bibles. Or do you have a particular version which Muhammed is said to be a prophet in? I see imams quoting from this corrupted many versions of the Bibles to validate their points in arguments, why is that pls?

your wordings are full of fallacies.
there are so many verses in the QURAAN even in history that proof to the messangership of the prophet S.A.W.
for your information there is no single verse in QURAAN that point to indescriminate killings of innocent lives.
islam is the only religion that gives everything its right

truthmans2012:
The Quran is not stable about the authenticity of the Bible. Allah told Muhammad to ask the Jews who read the Scriptures if he was in doubt about the islamic revelations he was receiving. If the Jews' Scriptures were corrupted, why would Muhammad be referred to it?

Several other.verses of the Quran say the Old and New Testament were authentic.

I don't trust the Quran a bit.

thats what made islam the only sure religion.
During the time of prophet S.A.W there are elements of truth in the books then. even they were correct and not corrupted by some of their monks. that was why the prophet was QUICKLY identified by jews then.
also, to get the point straight there is no single verse in QURAAN that contradicts itself, if you're sure of any bring it
the books sent to the past prophet are of course authentic but the problem was after the demise of isrealite's prophet they change or follow their desires

analice107:

Hahahahaha. What kind of a question is "What is the name of Bible according Bible?"

yes now, who give the purpose word of GOD name? no whose authority and why?
is bible ever known to JESUS P.B.H

analice107:

And the Koran was not written by men? why do we keep seeing names like Anas bin malik and the rest as writers of the koran?

they are the best student that learn QURAAN from the best teacher ( the source). prophet even order his companion to learn from four and those four were the ones with most knowledge of QURAAN after the prophet. including IBN ABASS

analice107:
Are you from Pakistan?

why asking ?

analice107:

Before Waraqa bin Nawal conferred the title of prophethood on Muhammed bin Abdullah, he (Waraqa) had already translated the New Testament from Greek to Arabic, so if Muslims claim the one we have today is corrupted, then the best they can do is produce the one Waraqa translated let's see.

did you belief in QURAAN THE PROPHET SINCE WARAQA A JEW BELIEF IN HIM?

annunaki2:


It's really amusing a Muslim finds something wrong with a concubine being associated with Abraham in the bible whilst conveniently forgetting that even islamic sources confirm that hagar whose geanology Islam comes from was also a concubine. Not forgetting that mohammed also had multiple wives, sex slaves and concubines. Is it not the height of hypocrisy that you find it acceptable when mohammed's philandering is documented in islamic sources but when the bible records the issue of abraham's concubine you start ranting rubbish.

ITS ONLY IN BIBLE THAT EVERY PROPHET IS TAINTED IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER . BUT IN ISLAM WE HOLD EVERY PROPHET IN HIGH ESTEEM. THE ACCOUNT I QUOTED IN BIBLE IS JUST TO POINT DISSILLUTION IN IT.
prophet S.A.W never transgressed. those he married was as a result of death of their husband and being the leader he must tako care of them. not even even one of them did he slept with &also he didn't have any concubine, all he did were legislated

smallrincowis16:

the prophet S.A.W and compiled by the students.
note the prophet had said that anything his companion do together is part of the religion

Sorry bro, the Koran pre-dates Mohammed and was never the word or work of any allahh.

www.breitbart.com/london/2015/08/31/oldest-koran-destabilises-islamic-history-carbon-dating-says-it-pre-dates-mohammed/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216627/Koran-Birmingham-thought-oldest-world-predate-Prophet-Muhammad-scholars-say.html

If we go with archaeological and scientific evidence, which you depended so much on, we can firmly conclude that the Koran has nothing to do with Mohammed.

However, going by Islamic claims, the Qur'an is still not the word or work of any allahh. The current version of the Koran was standardized and approved for global use in 1924 at alzar university Cairo, in Egypt, the oldest and the most important school in the Muslim world. All the earlier Quranic manuscript contradicted each other hence the recent standardization. Can you show we Nigerians the oldest manuscript of the Quran? Do you have any? From where do you then get the Quran if we cannot verify the source of the current koran circulation?

Again going by Islamic narrative, you guys said the sahabas memorized the Koran before each 'memorizer' wrote down what he memorized so that the Koran can be compiled, this is BS, to any reasonable person. How can an oral transmission serve as a basis for authenticating the original source of a document since oral transmission change from time to time, in its content? Guy you Koran is never divine and can never be divine going by how we come about the current koran in circulation.

smallrincowis16:

ALLAH kills and bring one to life

The question is how did Mohammed die? The evidence is in your hadith. He was poisoned by a Jewish woman at khaiber after Mohammed and his bandit killed her people. See the hadith below:

Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

The Koran told us how Mohammed will die if he is a fake and false prophet:

Qur’an 69:44-46 —And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), and then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta). (Hilali-Khan)

Qur’an 69:44-46 —And if he had invented false sayings concerning Us, We assuredly had taken him by the right hand and then severed his life-artery. (Pickthall)

The tasfir of Islamic scholars on how Mohammed died:

Tafsir Jalalayn on Qur’an 69:44-46 —And had he, namely, the Prophet (s), fabricated any lies against Us, by communicating from Us that which We have not said, We would have assuredly seized him, We would have exacted vengeance [against him], as punishment, by the Right Hand, by [Our] strength and power; then We would have assuredly severed his life-artery, the aorta of the heart, a vein that connects with it, and which if severed results in that person’s death.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Qur’an 69:46 —(And then We certainly would have cut off Al-Watin from him,) Ibn ‘Abbas said, “It (Al-Watin) refers to the artery of the heart, and it is the vein that is attached to the heart.” This has also been said by ‘Ikrimah, Sa’id bin Jubayr, Al-Hakim, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak, Muslim Al-Batin and Abu Sakhr Humayd bin Ziyad.

So going by the Koran and the hadith, Mohammed died of food poison. No prophet had died of food poison except the fake prophet Mohammed.

The Quran prophesied it and the hadith narrated it.

alBHAGDADI:
Those Quran verses didn't say the Jews corrupted the Bible. The verses only say that they distort words to mean something else. The Quran doesn't in anyway say that the Bible has been changed either in words or in its entirety.

But if you claim that Allah's words in the Bible were changed, then it means you are calling Allah a failure for allowing his words to be changed when he himself says in the Quran that his words can't be changed. It's either the words of the Bible are not his for them to have been "changed" or he is a failure to have allowed such.

Sura 6:115
The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: NONE CAN CHANGE HIS WORDS : for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all. (S. 6:115 Pickthall)

Sura 18:27
And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. THERE IS NONE WHO CAN CHANGE HIS WORDS , and thou wilt find no refuge beside Him. (S. 18:27 Pickthall)

it's not that the Quran said Bible it's not word of God but they have mixed it, look at the songs of Solomon (a whole prophet God) saying what what should not read, letter of Paul to so many places, those were only letters, look at d book of Deuteronomy claimed written by Moses after his death some people wrote the remaining parts eg where e was buried. so Bible is true word of God, word of prophets and human Beings

smallrincowis16:

very very sure of it. as in surest

Where you there when the Koran was compiled, or were you told? What are your indisputable evidences?