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Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by menxer: 8:12am On Apr 18, 2017 |
2nioshine:This your analysis, how does it fit in with my comment in context of the post I quoted? |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by sunnyeinstein(m): 8:34am On Apr 18, 2017 |
Martinez19: That's me too. My heart is filled with questions but nobody to ask. Though i can approach a priest (i'm a catholic but these days i now understand that i act n tlk more like a quaker, pple have bastardized christianity) but its a hard call, d time is not even there! The major reason why i have called christianity to question is because of all these pastors and their gullible followers. No good interpretation of the bible again, pastors n dia pple just quote a part of a verse in d bible n leave out d crux of dat verse/chapter in order to defend dia selfish thinking n brainwash their congregation. Then u move away frm d church n see d pastor displayin wealth but unwilling to help the real people in need, they teach prosperity but forgot Jesus Christ their model gave out all he had, d only time he decided to flaunt was his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, and that one sef he borrowed ni and gave it back after. And their followers be praising the pastors n relegate God to the background, prophesy things. But wen dia prophesies go awol they still defend dem, sayin they r not God, but why play god in the first place! Until we see pastors as messengers, not authority we are on a long tin and d questions will only keep piling up! It is well with us by God's grace (but we need to use our will to do that which we think is the right thing, there's a reason why he gave us a will) |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by ScepticalPyrrho: 9:23am On Apr 18, 2017 |
Wilgrea7:What do you mean by "follower of Christ"? |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 9:25am On Apr 18, 2017 |
sunnyeinstein:well said. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 9:31am On Apr 18, 2017 |
luvmijeje:considering the content of the write up, the title is valid. Let me ask, are my observations not correct? Can't you relate? |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Wilgrea7(m): 9:32am On Apr 18, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho: follower of the teachings of Christ... the ways of Christ... i don't really understand your point |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by ScepticalPyrrho: 10:32am On Apr 18, 2017 |
Wilgrea7:Have you truly followed the teachings of christ? Have you turned the "right cheek" to those who offend you? Do you go about preaching the "gospel"? Do you help people without any favour? Do you have a wife? Do you want to be rich? Do you pray for those who offend you? I ask all this because Christians I see or meet are nothing like what was is expected of someone who wants to emulate the teachings of Christ as portrayed in the bible. You get my drift... You're all kidding yourselves. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 10:52am On Apr 18, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho:ironically, some christians happen to be the most wicked, deceptive, backstabbing, greedy and foolish people you might ever find. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by callmembj1(m): 11:02am On Apr 18, 2017 |
Op thumps up for your write up. It's enlighten and call for reflection. Over time I have asked the same questions you raised today and even caused an uproar in my school fellowship back then that I was labelled as an Antichrist. I want to just read the comments and pass by but I noticed that most of the so called Christians are still living in ignorance. You arrest an arm robber and you ask him was your religion and he says he is a Christian excuse is Peter or Paul a thief is JESUS an arm robber? I will like to clear some issues, and am sure more so called Christians will want to agree with me unless we just we just want to deceive ourselves. 1. Christianity is not a religion and going to church does not make you a Christian. 2. There is difference between church and sanctuary. 3. The role of the church was to cater for the needs of her members. Now on the issue of whether God is mighty. I can tell you that God is all powerful. But the problem we have is we don't know him. How can you understand someone you don't know. For me God is not as we see him. We believe every good things come from God and every bad things comes from the devil. But both the good and the bad comes from God. There is one thing that even the best scientists have not yet proven and that is time. According to Bible the only thing thing God did not create was time. "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED HEAVEN AND THE EARTH". God is time, that is why time controls events. OK let me ask you a question, do you know what will happen in 2020 am sure we can only guess but event of 2020 is already taking place. My point is events in 2017 Has already taken place, we only experiencing it, those who with survive till 2020,time already knows them, times knows what will happen in 2050 or 3000. So if you see miracles happening or weird things happening it because it was suppose to happen at that time. Babies were suppose to be born after nine month but you can't tell the date and time, but time knows it. Don't forget where am coming from; God is time. so every that happens afterwards is bases on that time. My problem with the so called Christian is they worship God blindly and believe until they see their pastor or he prophesy they will not make it. Most miracles that happens are not even in churches or mosques, We think because a certain pastor is performing miracles and other pastors are not means they are not called by God. We turn churches to miracle centers and praise our pastors for performing miracles like it was them who did it in the first place. It wasn't them,it was TIME. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Wilgrea7(m): 11:10am On Apr 18, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho:if you say so |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by luvmijeje(f): 11:53am On Apr 18, 2017 |
Martinez19: It's entirely wrong. Go to church una no go. For my church, in normal service people testify of God's healing talkless of special healing programme. Please you all should go to church and stop your lies against the church. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 11:55am On Apr 18, 2017 |
luvmijeje:I am a christian and I am not speaking from an atheistic point of view but from my experience in the pentecostal circle. God is my witness. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by ScepticalPyrrho: 11:59am On Apr 18, 2017 |
Martinez19:Trust me broda, I have experienced many in my short life time. I wonder what makes them christians or like Christ. It's just a matter of social identification this days. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by luvmijeje(f): 12:00pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Martinez19:What's the name of your church? |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Wilgrea7(m): 12:20pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Martinez19: taking your word for it, you're still a Christian... many people are eager to jump out of Christianity when they just find out something about their church... permit me to ask... but what made you or is still making you(at least for now) hover around Christianity... ? I'm curious to know |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 12:23pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho:hmmmmmm. I forgot to say that some can be very ill mannered. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 12:25pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
luvmijeje:recently, I have stopped attending church. I have been to many churches in my life. It's all virtually the same thing. What is the name of your church? |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by luvmijeje(f): 12:35pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Martinez19:Name the churches you have been to? |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 1:01pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Another thing that has been observed is that pastors are now turning the church and ministry into a lucrative business. Pastors live luxurious lives where as their members are struggling financially. The type of luxury these pastors enjoy are what their members can only dream of. Pastors are building universities that their members can't even afford yet these sheeples would never learn. As far as I know, the early church shared all their belongings and possession with one another and no one lacked anything. In those days, a leader in the church would never have a private jet or a mansion when there are members who are lacking. No leader of the church or a member of the church in biblical times would be worth millions and billions when there are people with lack in the church. Such is not the case today. Most pastors today cajole and persuade their members into sowing a seed or bringing out money to invest in the church so that a miracle or blessing from above will befall them in return. This practice is so rampant. Such pastors would say that the holy spirit told them that a particular number of people should bring maybe #50,000(the amount depends on the financial strength of the sheeples in general). While collecting offerings, they would ask you to honour God with the highest denomination and amount in your pocket What annoys me is that these hungry wolves would claim that it is not that they need money but they are speaking as the Lord spoke to them. They feast ravenously on the members money. Some, when they see that the amount they listed is not forth coming, they will say the holy spirit has "changed" that he now permits members to bring the highest amount in their pocket. Many collect money for prayers and the so called "deliverance." They also invent other schemes by which they would extort money from the sheeples. Johnydon22, HardMirror, HopefulLandlord, Otemanuduno, donffd and all christians in the house. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 1:09pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
luvmijeje:mfm, redeem christian church of God, deeper life, harvesters, diving chosen vine ministries, christ harmony church, real gospels believers ministry( this was a bit okay but the pastor started womanising and his great ministry folded up), bible believers fellowship e.t.c I have been around mehn Now tell me the name of your church? |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by HCpaul(m): 2:08pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
onyenze123: You are right bro. they are demons; the firstborn of the devil. I can't blame you cuz you became a Christian before you even know how to speak, write, talk, walk, question, decide and making accurate choices by yourself. You being a Christian is as a result of your childhood indoctrination and nothing more. Your parents captured you at infancy. They're pretty smart. Faith is real and that is why Oyedepo had to flew his wife abroad when she was sicked. That alone led to her sudden disappearance in the church that it was so obvious to the congregants. But what happened when she came back, she was given the microphone to anchor a sermon that cohere a healing caption. In religion, nobody question the whys and the hows. Religious authorities are unquestionable. One thing we atheist hate most is using intellectual dishonesty to refute mental defeat and religious indoctrination. Accepting to be wrong sometimes as a Christian is the best preaching and evangeligal message to the atheists cuz we love and cherish intellectual sincerity a lot. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 3:40pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
HCpaul:You see a sheeple is sheeple. You shall know them by their words and action. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by luvmijeje(f): 4:17pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Martinez19: In redeemed Christian Church where I was baptized, you didn't see healings in the local church. Which means you've never gone to their monthly camp? In Deeper life Church, where I was born into, you've not heard of testimonies of healings in the local church. Which means you've never been to christmas or Easter retreat. Bros, you are lying. If the people around you are faking healing, it doesn't mean millions of others are faking it. You are lying against God and that's the most dangerous thing to do. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 4:50pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
luvmijeje:chai, don't let testimonies and miracles on church pamphlet and the ones you hear fool you, most are staged miracles to fool the sheeples. If there is healing in the local church of deeper life as you said, why did Kumuyi's wife die of cancer? Where was the healing? Did you not observe that? If you did, why don't you ask questions? At least, we deserve an answer. Did Oyedepo not send his wife for treatment abroad? Where was faith? Why spend money on treatment if you could heal by faith? Did you not observe? Let me tell you something woman, if can't observe something an intelligent mind should, I am sorry for you. Don't be a sheeple. You still have not told me where you are worshipping at? |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by luvmijeje(f): 6:04pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Martinez19:So the one I witnessed of my mum was staged? If indeed, you have once been a Christian I'll leave you with this verse Matt 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which no other man did, they would not have had sin; but now they have both seen and hated both Me and My Father. Atheist that has not step foot in the church is still better than you. Please repent. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Martinez19(m): 6:30pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
luvmijeje:why are you avoiding my questions? Now answer my questions, are my observations not true? Where do you worship? What have I done wrong? Is it bad to be sincere and question authority? Brief me on the testimony of your mother's healing. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by HCpaul(m): 9:37pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Martinez19: Leave the Guy alone. How will a Christian have sickness (fever or malaria), use a medical pill and at the same time pray against the sickness. When such person is healed, (s)he will climb the alter and testifying of how God miraculously healed him/her of the sickness after applying the anointing oil, holy water or mantle. Those silly congregants that wasn't there will start celebrating God by saying that God is great. My question is that why using drugs and taking medication when the anointing oil alone can heal such person? The same occurrence is applicable to almost all human endeavour. Religious people find it difficult to fully depend (rely) on Gods power. Why taking medication when Gods power can heal directly and independent of medical interference like he did in the Bible? The Christians failed to provide a replica of most events that happened in the bible. Like when last did a donkey speak in real life? Those things only happened in the bible. The deception starts when Jesus said that there won't be any sign (evidence or re-occurrence of the Biblical events) given to this generation "the twenty-first century and beyond". It got me laughing whenever a Nigerian said that God spoke to him. I was like....... God! Speaking to a Nigerian?
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Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by ScepticalPyrrho: 10:08pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Wilgrea7:This joke has lasted too long... How many sick people have you healed? How many dead people have you raised? You need to start rethinking this joke called Christianity. |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Nobody: 11:05pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
HCpaul: You don't even recognize sarcasm when you see it? |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by obinna58(m): 12:02am On Apr 19, 2017 |
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Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by Wilgrea7(m): 7:06am On Apr 19, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho: I've done all the “rethinking"... maybe you take me for a mere ignorant Pentecostal... so I'll say it again... I'm non-denominational.. i don't use the word liberal because it seems like something ready to jump at atheism.. I'm more on the spiritual side... and i just started so no i can't heal anyone at least yet... you can mention o.aroloye... I'm sure he's willing to take up your healing challenge... I've asked myself tons of questions... I've found answers to a few so don't expect me to discard what i know for the one i don't know... although I'm a little bit sceptical about Paul whom one of you quoted saying “if you are sick meet the elders and be healed".... did you ever ask yourself why he said ELDERS?... why couldn't the mere Christians just heal themselves?... i have opinions i don't share because of some other Christians... you think i follow Christ just because of the things i read in the bible? I've read many books outside the ones in the Bible attributed somewhat to Christ .... i know his position in spirituality.. i know where i draw my conclusions from.. i agree Christianity has been turned into a joke ... and like i said earlier, even though I'm nondenominational there are still some denominations that uphold the ways of the early church... the OP of this thread has made points... but those points are largely concentrated at Pentecostalism... you guys are the ones that remind Christians of their 30,000 denominations... so how does attacking one disprove all? there are denominations attacking these doctrines you're attacking.. yet they are still under Christianity... hope you understand my point... peace |
Re: Why Do Christians Love Kidding Themselves? by ScepticalPyrrho: 10:47am On Apr 19, 2017 |
Wilgrea7:Empty talks... All this episodes about how you've been brain-washed by other books. When the chips are down, you know where to get your healing from. I need not say more... |
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