2nioshine:


I Made a complete analysis of this topic, never knew it wasn't sent but here is a summary.

Words From the angry mob/thief during Christ crucification
"You save others From death,why can't you save yourself " guess you would have asked same question

Modified
His ways are not ours. Even his disciples all died painful death when they themselves saved others From it.

I am not really the so pious guy but i will rather tie millstones round my neck and jump into the sea. Than make one these little ones loose faith in their creator. See the scriptures

A lot of things i do not understand, may you reveal them to me as i age in you........ St Augustine of old

Martinez19:
a christian with questions.

Wilgrea7:


I'm a follower of Christ... so i guess i can pass as a Christian... or is there any other definition?

sunnyeinstein:


That's me too. My heart is filled with questions but nobody to ask. Though i can approach a priest (i'm a catholic but these days i now understand that i act n tlk more like a quaker, pple have bastardized christianity) but its a hard call, d time is not even there!
The major reason why i have called christianity to question is because of all these pastors and their gullible followers. No good interpretation of the bible again, pastors n dia pple just quote a part of a verse in d bible n leave out d crux of dat verse/chapter in order to defend dia selfish thinking n brainwash their congregation.
Then u move away frm d church n see d pastor displayin wealth but unwilling to help the real people in need, they teach prosperity but forgot Jesus Christ their model gave out all he had, d only time he decided to flaunt was his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, and that one sef he borrowed ni and gave it back after. And their followers be praising the pastors n relegate God to the background, prophesy things. But wen dia prophesies go awol they still defend dem, sayin they r not God, but why play god in the first place!
Until we see pastors as messengers, not authority we are on a long tin and d questions will only keep piling up!
It is well with us by God's grace (but we need to use our will to do that which we think is the right thing, there's a reason why he gave us a will)

luvmijeje:


The title of the thread should be why do Atheists love kidding themselves?

ScepticalPyrrho:
What do you mean by "follower of Christ"?

Wilgrea7:


follower of the teachings of Christ... the ways of Christ... i don't really understand your point

ScepticalPyrrho:
Have you truly followed the teachings of christ?

Have you turned the "right cheek" to those who offend you?

Do you go about preaching the "gospel"?

Do you help people without any favour?

Do you have a wife?

Do you want to be rich?

Do you pray for those who offend you?

I ask all this because Christians I see or meet are nothing like what was is expected of someone who wants to emulate the teachings of Christ as portrayed in the bible.

You get my drift...

You're all kidding yourselves.

ScepticalPyrrho:
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You're all kidding yourselves.

Martinez19:
considering the content of the write up, the title is valid. Let me ask, are my observations not correct? Can't you relate?

luvmijeje:


It's entirely wrong. Go to church una no go.

For my church, in normal service people testify of God's healing talkless of special healing programme.

Please you all should go to church and stop your lies against the church.

Martinez19:
ironically, some christians happen to be the most wicked, deceptive, backstabbing, greedy and foolish people you might ever find.

Martinez19:
I am a christian and I am not speaking from an atheistic point of view but from my experience in the pentecostal circle. God is my witness.

Martinez19:
I am a christian and I am not speaking from an atheistic point of view but from my experience in the pentecostal circle. God is my witness.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Trust me broda, I have experienced many in my short life time.

I wonder what makes them christians or like Christ. It's just a matter of social identification this days.

luvmijeje:

What's the name of your church?

Martinez19:
recently, I have stopped attending church. I have been to many churches in my life. It's all virtually the same thing. What is the name of your church?

luvmijeje:

Name the churches you have been to?

onyenze123:
All I see are demons rooming around this thread looking for who to devour. OP repent!!!! for the kingdom of God is near.

HCpaul:


You are right bro. they are demons; the firstborn of the devil.
I can't blame you cuz you became a Christian before you even know how to speak, write, talk, walk, question, decide and making accurate choices by yourself. You being a Christian is as a result of your childhood indoctrination and nothing more. Your parents captured you at infancy. They're pretty smart.

Faith is real and that is why Oyedepo had to flew his wife abroad when she was sicked. That alone led to her sudden disappearance in the church that it was so obvious to the congregants. But what happened when she came back, she was given the microphone to anchor a sermon that cohere a healing caption.

In religion, nobody question the whys and the hows. Religious authorities are unquestionable.

One thing we atheist hate most is using intellectual dishonesty to refute mental defeat and religious indoctrination. Accepting to be wrong sometimes as a Christian is the best preaching and evangeligal message to the atheists cuz we love and cherish intellectual sincerity a lot.

Martinez19:
mfm, redeem christian church of God, deeper life, harvesters, diving chosen vine ministries, christ harmony church, real gospels believers ministry( this was a bit okay but the pastor started womanising and his great ministry folded up), bible believers fellowship e.t.c

I have been around mehn Now tell me the name of your church?

luvmijeje:


In redeemed Christian Church where I was baptized, you didn't see healings in the local church. Which means you've never gone to their monthly camp?

In Deeper life Church, where I was born into, you've not heard of testimonies of healings in the local church. Which means you've never been to christmas or Easter retreat.
Bros, you are lying. If the people around you are faking healing, it doesn't mean millions of others are faking it.

You are lying against God and that's the most dangerous thing to do.

Martinez19:
chai, don't let testimonies and miracles on church pamphlet and the ones you hear fool you, most are staged miracles to fool the sheeples. If there is healing in the local church of deeper life as you said, why did Kumuyi's wife die of cancer? Where was the healing? Did you not observe that? If you did, why don't you ask questions? At least, we deserve an answer.

Did Oyedepo not send his wife for treatment abroad? Where was faith? Why spend money on treatment if you could heal by faith? Did you not observe? Let me tell you something woman, if can't observe something an intelligent mind should, I am sorry for you. Don't be a sheeple. You still have not told me where you are worshipping at?

luvmijeje:

So the one I witnessed of my mum was staged? If indeed, you have once been a Christian I'll leave you with this verse Matt 15:24

If I had not done among them the works which no other man did, they would not have had sin; but now they have both seen and hated both Me and My Father.


Atheist that has not step foot in the church is still better than you. Please repent.

Martinez19:
why are you avoiding my questions? Now answer my questions, are my observations not true? Where do you worship? What have I done wrong? Is it bad to be sincere and question authority?

Brief me on the testimony of your mother's healing.

Wilgrea7:


I've been following this thread from the beginning... it seems you've made your choice for atheism and i respect people's choices...there is a gap somewhat between Christianity of those days and Christianity of now... only few denominations try to uphold the early church ways... i just want you to avoid limiting Christianity to the churches... especially the stunt loving ones in Nigeria... cheers

HCpaul:


You are right bro. they are demons; the firstborn of the devil.
I can't blame you cuz you became a Christian before you even know how to speak, write, talk, walk, question, decide and making accurate choices by yourself. You being a Christian is as a result of your childhood indoctrination and nothing more. Your parents captured you at infancy. They're pretty smart.

Faith is real and that is why Oyedepo had to flew his wife abroad when she was sicked. That alone led to her sudden disappearance in the church that it was so obvious to the congregants. But what happened when she came back, she was given the microphone to anchor a sermon that cohere a healing caption.

In religion, nobody question the whys and the hows. Religious authorities are unquestionable.

One thing we atheist hate most is using intellectual dishonesty to refute mental defeat and religious indoctrination. Accepting to be wrong sometimes as a Christian is the best preaching and evangeligal message to the atheists cuz we love and cherish intellectual sincerity a lot.

otemanuduno:


1. There is only one thing that exists and that is the Almighty God. The Universe is like a matrix of souls. We are all connected. There is no God anywhere else, but us. We can only manifest our godly power according to the role we play in the framework called the Universe. We are all members of God.
Now some parts of God are already conscious of whom they are while the others are still not conscious of it. Whoever is conscious of his godhead, that is the day he/she stops fearing anything. But now it depends on how such person wants to manifest the power of God.

For some, they intentionally want to use their God-power to keep others ignorant and cheat them of their goods and resources. But no conscious part of God can cheat another conscious part. That's why denominations and religions come into existence. I know I am a part of God and you also know, then I decide to start another denomination where I can enjoy the resources of those who are still ignorant of whom they are rather than remaining under you to pay you tithe and offering. That's too bad.
When atheists say There is no God, they are only saying that God isn't separate from human and they are somehow right and their lives get better for it.

2. We can feel, speak and empathise. God is us manifesting in every ways possible.

3. Our collective power, including the ones we have not discovered yet + the power of the sun, the moon, the ocean currents, tides, gravity, magnetic forces and all energies of the universe sum up to be the power of God.

4. The afterlife, irrespective of your belief, is very very peaceful such that you will not even remember to question and fight back the religious leaders who indoctrinated you. You won't even fight back those who killed you while you were here on earth. You will just be feeling a kind of LOVE. That is where God is concentrated in. When I found myself in one of the afterlives, I lost my fear of death. And if today I don't finish my mission on earth before I die, it's going to be a win-win situation for me, but those who are on earth especially in Africa will have to suffer being enslaved in their minds while on earth as they are already suffering. But then, when they die too, they will smile. But NO, I AM HERE TO MAKE A 'HEAVEN ON EARTH' BY REMOVING FEAR FROM THE MINDS OF THE FEARFUL. Then death and worry will be reduced.

ScepticalPyrrho:
This joke has lasted too long...

How many sick people have you healed?

How many dead people have you raised?

You need to start rethinking this joke called Christianity.

Wilgrea7:


I've done all the “rethinking"... maybe you take me for a mere ignorant Pentecostal... so I'll say it again... I'm non-denominational.. i don't use the word liberal because it seems like something ready to jump at atheism.. I'm more on the spiritual side... and i just started so no i can't heal anyone at least yet... you can mention o.aroloye... I'm sure he's willing to take up your healing challenge... I've asked myself tons of questions... I've found answers to a few so don't expect me to discard what i know for the one i don't know... although I'm a little bit sceptical about Paul whom one of you quoted saying “if you are sick meet the elders and be healed".... did you ever ask yourself why he said ELDERS?... why couldn't the mere Christians just heal themselves?... i have opinions i don't share because of some other Christians... you think i follow Christ just because of the things i read in the bible? I've read many books outside the ones in the Bible attributed somewhat to Christ .... i know his position in spirituality.. i know where i draw my conclusions from.. i agree Christianity has been turned into a joke ... and like i said earlier, even though I'm nondenominational there are still some denominations that uphold the ways of the early church... the OP of this thread has made points... but those points are largely concentrated at Pentecostalism... you guys are the ones that remind Christians of their 30,000 denominations... so how does attacking one disprove all? there are denominations attacking these doctrines you're attacking.. yet they are still under Christianity... hope you understand my point... peace