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Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by 9jakool: 6:29am On Jun 10, 2017 |
Zoolezoo:Just beautiful! You know your stuff. It's almost as if I'm staring at myself in a mirror. I wanted you to keep rambling because your words are just spot on. I've familiarize myself with every corner of Yorubaland including dialects and traditions. Yes you are right about Owo and Oyo. Do you know the Ologho regalia is different from that of many Yorubas. His regalia is very similar to that of Benin's. The chieftaincy titles are also different from that of Oyo and very similar to Benin's. Owo like other Eastern Yorubas like Ijebu, Ilaje, Ondo, Owe, Oworo, Bunu, etc have so many kinds of local/regional traditional garments and fabrics that are different from the general Yoruba garments and fabrics. Eastern Yoruba dialects are also very intriguing. In ondo state, some names of towns have been standardized in the Oyo/Ibadan variant of Yoruba. For example Owo- Ogho Idanre- Udanrhe Ile Oluji- Ule Oluji Other names of towns like Ugbo, Ugbonla, etc have remained unchanged. I just hope these dialects can continuously be spoken. You are so right about the variations. Do you know that some Yoruba subgroups don't even have the obaship system or believe in oduduwa? 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by macof(m): 9:57am On Jun 10, 2017 |
9jakool: Which Yoruba groups don't have obaship system or believe in oduduwa? 2 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Zoolezoo(m): 11:04am On Jun 10, 2017 |
9jakool: Yes, the Eastern Yoruba dialects are way older than the Western ones. Oyo even seems to be probably the newest. So many innovations and consonant simplifications. Gh to W Gw to W Ch to S U to I (At word beginnings) Nasal ON to UN Nasal EN to IN NE to NI All these might look minor, but when they all come together and manifest in a long sentence , it convulates things a bit. A word like palace (Oghofen in original form) becomes just Afin in Oyo. Person (One) becomes Eni. Money (Egho) becomes Owo. Etc An untrained Yoruba ear from Ibadan or Lagos can't understand these dialects, even though they are actually more authentic. You should visit traditional events in Ondo town, Owo, Or any Ondo state town and see how heavily they bead. Almost like the Benins in many regards. But then, that is not really surprising. Even their music is different. Listen to these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_N4itjiS7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l-FwFNuNTM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnh3OwvhyIA Oyo was a savannah state and was actually part of a zone of active cultural diffusions between the Sudano-Sahelian and savannah West African states. And so, with them came the Agbada which would later spread all over Yorubaland. I just laugh when I hear some Yorubas saying today that Yoruba men don't tie cloth around their torsos. Yes they did tie wrappers, and still do. Infact it used to be general clothing, but these days, any male who dorns a wrapper-esque clothing is looked upon like some kinf of conc traditionalist/medicine man. 2 Likes
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Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by 9jakool: 5:01pm On Jun 10, 2017 |
macof:Yeah I almost didn't want to believe it but some Yorubas on the westernmost frontier near the border of Togo and Benin do not have the obaship system or believe in Oduduwa. Local priests locally known as Nàná serve as the overarching religious authority among Áná, Ishá and Mànígrí. Oduduwa is unknown in their pantheon of orishas and there are no crowned rulers. There were some attempts of some sort of centralization among the Áná with a council of kings, but they did not materialize much. Among the Ishá, the role of Nàná is more recognized than the head of town in their principal town of Bante. The Manigri attained some sort of centralization with the olú ìlú title, however the role was nominal as the priest retained more authority. All these three groups do claim they originate from Ife, but the idea of Oduduwa is not really known to them. This isn't to suggest that there aren't other Yorubas in the region who believe in Oduduwa or use the obaship system. The Shábę, Kétu, Ìdáshà, and Ánàgó have Obas and recognize Oduduwa. 3 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Olu317(m): 5:26pm On Jun 10, 2017 |
Zoolezoo:You people have started. It is obvious you are BINI or their apologist, if not, why comparison? Didn't BINI learn everything from ILE IFE? Kindly save that stuff about pride from someone like me from that egocentrism about BINI this, BINI that. This is Urhobo thread and it is quite fascinating reading all these postulation. Don't bring in Yoruba issue into it because it will become messy. 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by 9jakool: 5:55pm On Jun 10, 2017 |
Zoolezoo:Yes, Yoruba in the Western parts wore Agbada and other clothing styles, Yorubas in the Eastern parts have their unique styles as well as Agbada. Men wearing wrapper is a sign of honor at least traditionally. In Owo, when men are initiated from ugbama into Ero which is made up of elderly men, on the day of the Ero festival, they wear an outfit known as igbero which is a wrapper tied from the shoulder. It's honorary for the daughter of the graduating man to give the outfit to her father. Other clothing worn during the festival are girijo, ipan meru, and iketa. If you come to Owo in September, you can witness the Igogo festival to see some cultural aspects. Yes Ondo men tie wrapper either around the shoulder or waist. In one of the video up there by Princess Ajanaku, the stripped blue wrapper worn by the women is locally known as gege. It's the most common local wear among women. The Ipele worn on the shoulder by women is also very significant and symbolic in meaning. The blue and white ipele is known as ebolo worn for the funeral of special figures like the King. There is another one called the Ashigbo. The Ijebu in Ogun state have more in common with the Yorubas in Ondo state honestly. In Ijebuland there are many fabrics that are prescribed solely for special occasions. There is a clothing specifically ascribed for the Ogboni/Oshugbo called aso olona. There is another one used for burial purposes, I forgot the name. I can go on and on about clothing and the purposes they serve, but I'm just going to go on forever. 4 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by 9jakool: 6:06pm On Jun 10, 2017 |
Olu317: I don't know his/her ethnicity, but I don't think he/she is displaying Bini egocentrism, but it's a posibility nonetheless. Those names of the clothing styles that I just mentioned up there are native to Yorubas of Ondo-Ijebu area and they are not Edo in origin. Lol, thanks for reminding me. I forgot that this is an Urhobo thread, I might create another thread about this. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Olu317(m): 7:15pm On Jun 10, 2017 |
9jakool:I understand clearly the pronunciation pattern in which the eastern Yoruba differ from the Savannah region which OYO was based at first. Oyo was a later form of Yoruba language based on Yoruba development. I don't have problem with that with him or her even or torso because indeed Yoruba dressed like that in the ancient times although it was mostly when at home either during the set time to bed or early morning of the day after waking up from bed and not going to farm . But as a mode of dressing as he tried to reinvent Yoruba history isn't true. Where it got irritating was when he or she mentioned that, It wasn't a surprise as to where they got to know how they dress like that. That showed he or she isn't Yoruba. I know he or she isn't Yoruba but to provoke. No matter what there are aspects he or she won't know. Ogho as postulated isn't true but as Èwho is the accurate pronunciation for money in Eastern Yoruba . No offense to you bro because I know you mean no harm but the egocentric personality because he or she has read some books and we won't have a piece of mind. You can check the line where he or she mentioned “torso " and read his or her conclusion on it. And yes, let's learn from Urhobo history postulation. After all, no knowledge Learnt Cum acquire is lost. 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Zoolezoo(m): 9:58pm On Jun 10, 2017 |
Olu317: I won't respond to you here in full, because like you said, it is an Urhobo thread. We should let the Urhobos enjoy their thread. First I am not Benin, nor am I a Benin apologist.... But your insecurity and close mindedness to discussing the natural diversity within Yoruba has has exposed you as a close minded person. dialect is not the only difference between Eastern and Western Yorubas in case you dont know. There are many others. Oyo Yoruba rely havily on the talking drum in their music for example. Drums drums and more drums everywhere, usually the strap around shoulder ones. If you go to places like Ekiti/Akure, Okitipupa/Ode Idepe/Ode Irele, Idanre etc, you would notice that it isn't all about drums. They have different tempos and genres of music, more Agogos, more diverse drum types, and many instruments I don't even know their English names. In Oyo music, all these are absent. Like 9jakool also pointed out, their chieftancy and some traditional practices also differs to some extent. In Owo, we have the Ugbama, Ughare, Igharo (men over 50), Olisagho, Edibo, Ogwamodu. The first place the owos settled after leaving Ife is called Ugbo Ogwata, also known as Okiti Asegbo (Asegbo Hill).\All these are veery different from what is obtainable in standard Yoruba. Infact, even Ufe (Ife) dialect is closer to what is obtainable in Ekiti/Ondo/Ijebu/Ijesha/Owe(Kabba)/Ijumu etc, than what it is in Oyo. A traditional square/hall is called an Ugha....... similar to Iga Iduganran in Lagos (standardized Oyo version). Look at the Olowo, his hands are placed on two white pieces of clothing and supported by two stewards (odibo), left and right. Does anywhere in the Western Yoruba sphere of culture do that with their Obas? 9jakool, open a thread about the diversity in the customs and traditions of Yoruba clans, and I will join you there. 3 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Olu317(m): 10:29pm On Jun 10, 2017 |
[quote author=Zoolezoo post=57397676] I won't respond to you here in full, because like you said, it is an Urhobo thread. We should let the Urhobos enjoy their thread. First I am not Benin, nor am I a Benin apologist.... But your insecurity and close mindedness to discussing the natural diversity within Yoruba has has exposed you as a close minded person. dialect is not the only difference between Eastern and Western Yorubas in case you dont know. There are many others. Oyo Yoruba rely havily on the talking drum in their music for example. Drums drums and more drums everywhere, usually the strap around shoulder ones. If you go to places like Ekiti/Akure, Okitipupa/Ode Idepe/Ode Irele, Idanre etc, you would notice that it isn't all about drums. They have different tempos and genres of music, more Agogos, more diverse drum types, and many instruments I don't even know their English names. In Oyo music, all these are absent. Like 9jakool also pointed out, their chieftancy and some traditional practices also differs to some extent. In Owo, we have the Ugbama, Ughare, Igharo (men over 50), Olisagho, Edibo, Ogwamodu. The first place the owos settled after leaving Ife is called Ugbo Ogwata, also known as Okiti Asegbo (Asegbo Hill).\All these are veery different from what is obtainable in standard Yoruba. Infact, even Ufe (Ife) dialect is closer to what is obtainable in Ekiti/Ondo/Ijebu/Ijesha/Owe(Kabba)/Ijumu etc, than what it is in Oyo. A traditional square/hall is called an Ugha....... similar to Iga Iduganran in Lagos (standardized Oyo version). Look at the Olowo, his hands are placed on two white pieces of clothing and supported by two stewards (odibo), left and right. Does anywhere in the Western Yoruba sphere of culture do that with their Obas? 9jakool, open a thread about the diversity in the customs and traditions of Yoruba clans, and I will join you |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Olu317(m): 10:30pm On Jun 10, 2017 |
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Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by fatiaforreal: 1:03am On Jun 11, 2017 |
No research is easy, hence I commend your effort. However, all these idea of Egypt and dates as recent as 2000BC as origin of any tribe around here is laughable. I know for certainty, for instance, Egypt is not older than the Yoruba race and the dates are much more advance, more than 10,000BC. Sudan and Nupe area I.e Niger confluence were populated about the same period from Congo area , which informs why the group of tribes is referred to as Niger-Congo group. Make no mistake about it, the earliest settlers of Babylon , Arabia, India, China, Japan etc were from here. There seems to be a problem every tribe limits its history to these places ignorantly. Igbos say they're from Israel, this is the height of ignorance because the reverse is the case. Jews came from Africa . 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by GooseBaba: 3:34pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
scionofurhobo: I'm an Urhobo...and this your hamitic write up is rubbish.tufiakwa!! You want to bring a book to challenge the REAL actions of your ancestors that rejected such teaching when it was brought to their shores by Anglo saxon savages. Even the original Anglo savages that peddled this rubbish , they themselves got to a point and agreed that it was rubbish and discarded it. 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by GooseBaba: 4:07pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
scionofurhobo: Bros ! Stop deceiving yourself. You did not unlock anything. You read a book and believed, finish..! |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by GooseBaba: 4:17pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
anthney87: Fa Fa fa FOWL...our true wetin? Those before you knew they migrated from the bini empire. You are here making a bold statement with Egyptian connection. Before the advent of Christianity within our shore there were no oral teaching, songs or folklore that links Urhobos with Egypt. Have you asked yourself that question? |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by daxlasaint(m): 7:23pm On Jun 28, 2017 |
I got the mention really really late but i would like to think its not too late to put in my two cents. While i appreciate the op for his effort to compile an history of our people, i find this history lesson to- in my opinion- be bogus and full of delusions of grandeur and most importantly lacking in solid proof. I may not know where al urhobos came from but i know where my clan Udu came from and that piece of history is as accurate as oral history can get... I prefer the little history that is known to the far bigger history that is guessed. That said i once again wish to thank the op for his efforts though bogus i believe his story to be. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by OyinO: 11:52pm On Jan 10, 2018 |
OP, you're 99% on Point. Great post. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by scionofurhobo(m): 1:51pm On Apr 27, 2018 |
OyinO: Thank you. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Joebie: 10:21pm On Sep 16, 2018 |
Komekn pls see this Sanchez01: |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by gregyboy(m): 4:27am On Sep 17, 2018 |
JackBizzle: Very true everyone wants to attach to glory.....they are great empire in east africa north nd southern africa that had solid history like egyptian ...the white pple only took egypt esteem because they believe they were white now they having second thought on it due to Afrocentric view...but we here who re mentally slaved attach every history with no prove to egypt....or isreal,abi mecca this show how mentally slaved we re |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by gregyboy(m): 4:50am On Sep 17, 2018 |
scionofurhobo: O.p the moment i saw Egypt i stoped reading...no reaserch no prove no genealogy link....ure mentally slaved ur closest neigbour edo which u could easily trace ur genealogy to u decided to trace it to Egypt which is a battle ground for white nd blacks on d origin of egypt ...if enough evidence was done u would see urohobo is even older than egypt but ur fada was to weak to build a good civilization now thier children is attaching to a better race if ur ancestors were to be brought alive they would give u a slap for mental disorder if u cant trace ur origin to east africa,west africa or south africa forget it....the words u try to link to egypt could better be linked to edos nd even the edos cant trace origin to egypt ...this Egypt everyone trace their history with no prove also trace their origin to sudan .... Modified... Edo and japan is the recent study in terms of linguistic they have similar names but language cnt be linked alone to ascertain |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by gregyboy(m): 4:56am On Sep 17, 2018 |
Efewestern: Wow i respect u from today keep on saying d truth 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Konquest: 10:43am On Sep 18, 2018 |
fratermathy: 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Konquest: 10:51am On Sep 18, 2018 |
fratermathy:^^^^ ^^^^ @fratermathy Thanks for this info... "straight to the point and beautifully worded." About the Okpe people/clan... did they directly come from Ife or did they first settle in Benin before migrating to their current location with their Urhobo kith-and-kin? It is good to have people like you on NL who are helping to set the historical records straight. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Efewestern: 11:50am On Sep 18, 2018 |
Konquest: According to Oral tradition, the Okpe's believed they migrated from ile-ife and passed through Benin, before reaching their present destination. 4 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by goalernestman: 10:54pm On Feb 05, 2019 |
Efewestern:European account of west Africa from 12th century to 19th century
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Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by sylve11: 8:35am On Jun 03, 2019 |
QuitNotice: This got me laughing 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by petersomond: 5:52am On Mar 01, 2020 |
Ignorance is a disease! Who did this to Nigerians.? Hello Nairalanders!!! This story of sonofanisoko ... icould be true..... It may sound funny, but it may somehow be true.Are you speaking Isoko or Kwale language? Its like you can understand ancient hebrew language? How I wish I can meet this author so that we reason together..... "Scion of an Isoko Man" try contact me asap. I have something great for you!!!!! Seriously Contact me , Thx |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by AreaFada2: 12:23pm On Mar 01, 2020 |
JackBizzle: Nor mind them. East & West to central Africa have the oldest mankind. Colonial mentality wants them to be from Israel or Arabia. Very funny people. 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by nlPoster: 1:41pm On Mar 01, 2020 |
I'd say central Africa. |
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