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Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by Joagbaje(m): 4:22pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
MiddleDimension: Not all . besides some things were copied from bible and perverted. Remember that the writings of the bible were thousands of years before islam. Yes, the bible foretold a day when "nations will fight against nations..." etc. But the fact remains that nations have always fought nations, and kingdoms against kingdoms even before Jesus was ever born! So it is not telling us anything new! Several prophecies of the bible were fulfilled right in the bible days.And many event of our modern day are fulfilment of prophecies in the bible. The bible foretold the ceasation of isreal as a nation. it came to pass. The name of isreal was no longer in the world map.The bible also foretold isreal would become a nation again. it came to pass. israel became a nation again. it foretold one currency. it foretold microchipping on the body. ift foretold the advent of a one world government. television and internet etc and etc 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by donnie(m): 5:02pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Maestro21: The problem with the guy Ever8054 is that he lacks basic intelligence. There are many of them on NL. Even though they try to use religion to cover up, it still shows. 2 Likes |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by Ever8054: 5:11pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
donnie:what's this one saying?... |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by Maestro21: 5:15pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
donnie: I could not have said it any better. 1 Like |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by Maestro21: 5:20pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Ever8054: Pastor Chris is not under trial. If you read through my previous posts I have addressed most of what you have above. I said most because you would need to look around the Pentecostal and Orthodox circles to find where miracle cloths were auctioned because that certainly did not occur in CEC. If you still don't get the answers you want from my posts then I may not be of help to you. I find it amusing how you have sidestepped the fact that you could not answer my questions to start throwing red herrings up and down. So funny. |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by MiddleDimension: 12:42am On Jul 14, 2017 |
Maestro21: but you guys said there is no such thing as pentecostal church. also, when you mention orthodox church, remember that that refers to those churches in eastern europe and the middleast ans north africa. as for the reply to my other post, i will respond when i have the time to. the same goes to joeagbaje and co. |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by Maestro21: 8:49pm On Jul 14, 2017 |
MiddleDimension: Some people call themselves that. Should I call them another name? |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by Eaugusta(f): 4:05am On Jul 15, 2017 |
Maestro21:You probably didn't get the message, focus more on being a Christian than being religious |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by Maestro21: 9:48am On Jul 15, 2017 |
Eaugusta: Practice what you preach. |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by MiddleDimension: 8:45pm On Jul 17, 2017 |
Joagbaje: not all what? Islam is the third of the abrahamic religions, hence it has to contain some aspects of the christian bible. Just as the christianity adopted the whole of the jewish holybook, the OT, into their bible. Now as for the quran perverting the bible, well, it is the same way the jews see the christian NT too. Have you ever sort the opinion of the jew on the NT? Have you ever sort the opinion of the typical jew on the person of Jesus? They call him an impostor! And all the teachings of particularly Paul? And also the whole idea of a resurection? Maybe you should find out. Just as you christians believe that though the jews are a people of god, they are missing certing things or getting certain things absolutely wrong, so too the muslims see you christians as being of god, but missing out and outrightly getting other things wrong. So you can't judge. Every single time the bible foretold the ceasation of Israel, it always tell you the people who would sack them. The babylonians, et al comes to mind here. The ceasation of isreal the bible foretold came about in the OT. The bible never foretold the invasion of isreal by Alexander the great, neither did it foretell the roman occupation at which time Jesus would be born. The bible also did not mention a Hitler. Mind you, not only the jews suffered at the hands of the NAZIs, the Gypsies and the Roma people did too. What would you say about that? The point is: there is nothing special about the Hebrews and by extension, the bible. So quit telling me about some prophesies of things that are normal things about the history of the human race. And about the microchips etc you talked about: well, i am sorry you are sounding like one of those conspiracy theorists who think everyone in the society is some frieghtful person. If you understand anything about the Human race, you would know that disagreement is an instrinsic part of us as human beings. Diversity is built into the very fabric of our existence. If you look into Quantum Physics, you will understand this, and also, if you look at the bible mythology of the tower of babel. I think that's what the mythical story of the tower of babel was trying to explain to us. So no, there will never be a one currency for the entire world. The UK just Brexited for crying out loud. And there will never be a micro chipping of all humans. |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by MiddleDimension: 10:36am On Aug 01, 2017 |
Maestro21: no, i won't leave the so-called exegesis to christians alone. 1. That point isn't correct! The other disciples also called Jesus "teacher". This can be found in the transfiguration of Jesus. Peter called Jesus "teacher". Being called "teacher", does not mean that one is debasing you. As a matter of fact, the word translated teacher is actually Rabbi. It is the same as the word "mallam" in northern Nigeria especially pre-colonial times. The person called mallam/Rabbi in the respective societies are highly placed people. They are people of authority! Judas calling Jesus teacher, means he identifies Jesus as someone of authority. Don't understand the teacher he called Jesus in the sense we unfortunately understand it today. 2. I think you are being unfair to the person Judas. He did not think Jesus was unworthy of the gift. The reason he said so was clearly stated in that same passage. "...for he was a theif...". Since he was the tressurer of the group, he was hoping that if they sold it, they would keep the money with him so that he could again "...help himself of the bag" like he always do. Judas in this case, is no different from the person who would say that instead of paying this huge money as tithe to an already rich church, why don't you go to motherless babies home and to the beggers on the street and give the money to them? They say this as if if they were given the go ahead, they would actually help the poor with the money. That's the sort of person Judas portrayed in that story. 3. Again you are being unfair to Judas here. You really cannot compare Judas' betrayal to Peter's denial of Jesus. Judas handed an innocent man from whom Judas had benefitted alot, to those who would kill him while peter was only too afraid to stand by his friend when he needed him the most. Judas' fuuk up was more massive than Peter's again, don't be too judgemental of Judas for the suicide he committed for he truely did that out of remorse. He rejected the money given to him cried and cried, and then became suicidal. That wasn't self-righteousness, that was remorse! Jesus himself doesn't even allow you to have any opinion on Judas' issue because he didn't give a straight answer when Peter asked him after his resurection what would happen to the one who was lost. Again, Judas is nothing near the likes of me who are atheist, agnostics etc. He had no doubts about Jesus. He was only not able to tame his greed, like some of your pastors can't tame theirs. I and many other atheists and agnostics have been put in charge of some amount of money before and we didn't steal them. |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by Maestro21: 4:37pm On Aug 01, 2017 |
MiddleDimension: There is a reason you were told to leave exegesis to spirit-led people. I said THAT WAS ALL Jesus was to Judas- a good teacher and nothing else. Jesus had already told them earlier that any man would be to you what you see in him (by revelation). Some only saw Jesus as a carpenter. To them, getting their furnitures delivered to them was all they benefitted from him. Some saw him as a prophet (Samaritan woman) and he prophesied to them. Some saw him as a teacher, he taught them. Some as a healer- he healed them. Others as a miracle worker- he performed miracles for them (Mary his mum at the Wedding in Cana). While some (like the criminal on the cross) saw him as the Messiah and they got salvation from him. When Jesus asked his disciples who he was to them, they kept mum. Only Peter spoke up. Did Jesus praise him for his wisdom? No. Instead Jesus told him that Peter only knew that by revelation. That is why the scriptures would look like a mere book to you, because it has not been revealed to you by the Holy Spirit. 2. I think you are being unfair to the person Judas. He did not think Jesus was unworthy of the gift. The reason he said so was clearly stated in same passage. "...for he was a theif...". Mary spent almost a year's wage on that perfume and did not even give it to Jesus to use. She poured it on his feet because that was the appreciation she had for Jesus. Someone else saw it and felt she wasted it. Question, if Judas felt she wasted it, was he not saying the person who received it- Jesus - did not deserve it? When 2 criminals were on the cross with Jesus. 1 of them said "son of God, free us and free yourself or else you are a scammer". The other said " don't talk like that. This man is who he claims to be". Is it not clear between the 2 of them that even though both called him "the Christ" only 1 of them truly saw him as that? The other one was like Judas. 3. Again you are being unfair to Judas here. You really cannot compare Judas' betrayal to Peter's denial of Jesus. Judas handed an innocent man from whom Judas had benefitted alot, to those who would kill him while peter was only too afraid to stand by his friend when he needed him the most. Judas' fuuk up was more massive than Peter's Uninitiated men look at things the way you described above- but not spiritual men. Jesus told us the implications of denying him: he said any man who denies him infront of men, his father in Heaven will deny in return. And if God denies you, it means you are not getting into heaven. So spiritually Peter's offense was heaven-depriving as much as you want to claim Judas' was. Both were being used by Satan at the time (Jesus said so). In fact, Peter was warned before hand and he boasted he would not fail (self-righteousness) yet he failed miserably. What differed between both men was their repentance. For while Judas felt remorseful he did not repent. Repentance does not equate to crying or confessing sins like some people believe. Genuine repentance or "Metanoia" means to change your mind about something and turn to something else (in this case God). Judas cried bitterly like Esau (Heb 12:17) but he did not repent because if he did he would not have committed suicide. In contrast, Peter wept bitterly and asked for forgiveness from God. That is genuine repentance because he translated from self-pity and penance to God's love and forgiveness. Again, Judas is nothing near the likes of me who are atheist, agnostics etc. He had no doubts about Jesus. He was only not able to tame his greed, like some of your pastors can't tame theirs. Au contraire he very much is. Most Agnostics and Atheists quote some teachings of Jesus and say how great a teacher he was but they don't see him as God that he is. Some feel those of us who put our monies in the gospel are fools (Just like Judas felt about Mary Magdalene). It is not enough to like Jesus. You have to believe in him as Lord and God or else you are like Judas. Receive Jesus today! |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by olumite2014(m): 8:09am On Feb 23, 2018 |
Thanks for this information. I was surprise with what Marchman posted earlier. Since I join Christ embassy, no one has ever force me to pay any money of a kind. I pay willingly and God has been blessing me. I voluntary join partnership because I've been a beneficiary for many years. Before I join Christ embassy I've been watching pastor Chris message free on TV, I've been reading rhapsody of reality free of charge,etc. All these are sponsored by some people and I can see the blessing of God in their life. now that am a member, am ready to do more. The only secret to God's blessing is by giving. jared007: 3 Likes |
Re: A Rejoinder On Why I Left Christ Embassy Church By Marchman by maxxy: 10:50am On Mar 25, 2018 |
Braveryy: What is the meaning of the word "pertain"? |
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