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Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Rossikki: 9:32pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
cumbak60: Sorry, who are you? I'm not your mate, little boy. Kindly get your bloviating dunce of a self out of this thread before I handle you. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Rossikki: 9:40pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Ngozi123: But there are millions of Igbos interacting and intermarrying with Yorubas and even Hausas right now as we speak. There are parts of Kano you will visit and you will wonder if you are in Aba or Umuahia. Same as Lagos. But I've never seen any Igbos in those places talking about forming a new country with those people there. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ngozi123(f): 9:40pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Abagworo: Thank you for saying this so succinctly. Rossikki Come and see what I was trying to tell you. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Rossikki: 9:44pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Ngozi123: Has he conducted the DNA tests? If he hasn't, then you've no leg to stand on. By the way, if you conducted those tests and the results showed that Igbos were more genetically related to Yorubas than to delta groups, will you invite Yorubas to form a new country? 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ngozi123(f): 9:45pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Rossikki: Those numbers are nowhere near what I'm talking about. How many Yorubas/Hausas have up to 40-50% Igbo blood in them? How many Igbos have up to to 40-50% Yoruba/Hausa blood in them? Despite the noise that so many of you make, the vast majority of Igbos prefer to marry themselves and, if not that, then they'll marry an Eastern minority. We don't marry Yorubas and Hausas in high numbers. 6 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ngozi123(f): 9:47pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Rossikki: He doesn't need to, it's oral tradition that many Igbo communities intermixed with these minorities. I even think that there was a DNA database that alluded to the high Efik admixture in many Igbo communities, and vice versa. We are most definitely not more genetically related to Yorubas than the aforementioned minorities. Stop trying to link us with Yoruba people. 4 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by derealj(m): 9:48pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
People of the so called "Niger Delta" are the most confused set of people in Nigeria, but am not even in the mood for their shenanigans. I have only one thing to beg you people, it is enough that some of you chose to answer Igbo names while claiming non Igbo. Fine but if you want to answer those names answer it correctly not the adulterated forms in your bid to transform our names into another thing. Answer Nwogbo not Wobo( it even sounds like zobo). It's Ezenwa not Ezenwo. Answer Nwanne not Wene( don't know if it's short for Wednesday ). That's all I want to say., if you people cannot do this please answer names from your tribe ( If it exists ) or you can go and adulterate Yoruba names and answer(Take a cue from one minister from that region ). 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Rossikki: 9:52pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Ngozi123: Igbos have intermixed with millions of people across Nigeria. We don't need oral tradition to see that. What makes the south south different, Madam Love Nwantiti? I even think that there was a DNA database that alluded to the high Efik admixture in many Igbo communities, and vice versa. You ''think''? Sorry, I prefer facts. We are most definitely not more genetically related to Yorubas than the aforementioned minorities. Stop trying to link us with Yoruba people. Until you conduct DNA tests, you are in no position to state that. Excerpts: "I was first given the idea that Yoruba and Igbo must be genetically related when a childhood friend, Ogbonna told me that words for some well known body parts are virtually the same in both languages. For instance, Yoruba Imu/ Igbo, imi which means nose. There is also Yoruba eti/Igbo nti which means ear. Also Yoruba enu/Igbo onu which stands for mouth. Other examples abound like Yoruba orun/Igbo onu meaning neck. And so on and so forth. Much later in life, at the university, I was to learn in Language class that Igbo and Yoruba and many other African languages are members of the same language family. Those are members of group languages which all developed out of a common ancestor or a parent. And in the very distant past, these languages were no more than mere dialects of the original language". https://www.nairaland.com/574377/how-yoruba-igbo-became-different More Igbo - Yoruba Language similarities Goat: Ewu(igb), Ewure(yor) Cat: nwologbo(igb), Ologbo(yor) Rock: Okwute(igb), Okwuta(yor) What: Gini(igb), Kini(yor) Where: Ebe(igb), ibi(yor) Pouch\bag: Apka(igb), Akpo(yor) Box: Apkati(igb), Apkoti(yor) Medicine: Ogwu(igb), Ogun(yor) Fever: iba(igb), iba(yor) Acrobatics: Nkpokiti(igb: i remember nkpokiti dancers), Gbokiti(yor) Dog Bark: gbor(igb), gbo(yor) Akara - akara(igb), akara(yor). I think this is modern word, can't say it's igbo or yoruba Moi moi - mai mai(igb), moi moi(yor). Also a modern word. 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Nwadiuto247: 10:01pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Rossikki: At least you ve agreed that your brother Jonathan called south east their brothers. I also told you that ipob did so too. Igbos are not interested in your south south as a whole rather we are interested in the Igbo speaking areas in the south south who agrees that they are Igbos. I ve said this several times here but your pretentious disposition keeps blinding you. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ngozi123(f): 10:01pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Rossikki: Oral tradition and cultural similarities are the basis for a lot of interrelationships in Africa; Nigeria is no different. How did our ancestors know those who they were close to despite not having DNA evidence? Igbos have mixed with millions of people in the whole of Africa, not just Nigeria. Now, pray tell, how many of those whole communities have oral traditions that narrate the widespread and ongoing mixing with Igbo communities. Note that I'm talking about entire communities here, not individuals- which is what you're alluding to. Had you just mentioned Bini people then you might've had a leg to stand on but your inclusion of Yoruba people in this renders your whole piece useless. As far as I'm concerned, Ndigbo do not share any borders with Ndi Yoruba, neither do we eat the same foods. We also share very few cultural similarities with the Yorubas or Hausas. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ngozi123(f): 10:04pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Rossikki: So just because a few words in Igbo and Yoruba sound similar, it must mean that we're genetically related? I've seen people do this with Ancient Egyptian - does that now mean that we're Ancient Egyptians? 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Rossikki: 10:08pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Ngozi123: Err... actually yes it does. We ARE descended from Ancient Egyptians and other groups from the north and the Levant. In remotest antiquity, West Africa was virtually deserted. Most groups here have a tradition of having migrated from elsewhere - from the Hausas to the Yorubas and the Igbos. As for Igbo/Yoruba, it is more than ''a few words sounding similar''. If one were to sit at it, one would find HUNDREDS of words shared by Igbos and Yorubas which point to a common and recent ancestry. Don't allow your silly ethnic hatred to blind you to what should be a fascinating revelation. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Dedetwo(m): 10:09pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Markfemi2: The real OYO Empire has little or nothing to do with today's so-called Yari.ba. Oyo Empire was destroyed by the slave raiders. The capital of Oyo Empire seated in Oyo ile, 30 miles north of Illroin, was sacked and all the leftovers embarked on a treacherous march southward toward the Atlantic. Yari.ba's enslavement is pitifully historic in nature. 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ngozi123(f): 10:21pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Rossikki: We're not descended from the Ancient Egyptians and we are not more related to Yoruba people than the aforementioned minorities. You wanted DNA evidence that proves that some Igbo communities intermixed with some of these minorities, here you go: "Therefore two groups from Igboland to the west of the Cross River region (IG-E and IG-N) were added to the inter-language group analysis to take into account the potentially unusually high levels of inter-ethnic admixture that may have taken place involving Igbo from Calabar." https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-10-92 This is just one example of the intermixing going on between these two groups. The Yoruba migration story is from Bini land so how is it that you're related to us when the Bini people, who's language belongs in an even more distant language group to us, separate us? Pray tell... 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by cumbak60: 11:53pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Rossikki:Go handle yourself old man. History revisionist. Not your fault, an anonymous forum gave your ape like mouth to talk nonsense. |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by naijaking1: 11:55pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
Rossikki: When you chose to play in the mud, you sure get what you deserve. Enjoy! 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Markfemi2: 2:16am On Jul 14, 2017 |
Dedetwo: Whether it was nothing is abother debate entirely We had one What did your savage have ...nothing ? 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Dedetwo(m): 2:41am On Jul 14, 2017 |
Markfemi2: Ndigbo had no use for such glorified village empire you claim to have embraced. Ndigbo were very complex and chose a system of government that did not align with the monarchical government prevalent in Europe. Today, the whole world has embraced the representative democracy Ndigbo practiced before the advent of European in Africa. I guess a person who does not know and do not know that he/she does not know is a marooned FF. |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Rossikki: 2:42am On Jul 14, 2017 |
Ngozi123: Young woman, please do not talk about things of which you know nothing. Can you describe the race of this Pharaoh below please? Statue of Pharaoh Tutunkhamun 1341 BC ............................ and we are not more related to Yoruba people than the aforementioned minorities. You wanted DNA evidence that proves that some Igbo communities intermixed with some of these minorities, here you go: This makes no sense. I could easily go to Alaba in Lagos and take DNA tests of all the young 'Igbo' boys running around there. Many of them will have Yoruba genes due to large scale admixture between the millions of Igbos in Lagos, and Yorubas. In fact in Lagos there are thousands of Igbos who can't even speak Igbo, but speak Yoruba like the indigenes. Face it, the south west don't have oil, and are your rivals, and that is why you do not consider them ''brothers''. Ditch all that DNA nonsense pls. The Yoruba migration story is from Bini land so how is it that you're related to us when the Bini people, who's language belongs in an even more distant language group to us, separate us? Pray tell... If Igbos and Yorubas don't have a common heritage, and a history of very ancient admixture, then how come they have so many words that mean the exact same thing in both languages? 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Rossikki: 2:58am On Jul 14, 2017 |
cumbak60: OIL THIEF... Frustration for other peoples' oil is no way to live your life.. Why don't you and your ilk use your famed entrepreneurial ability to transform your region, instead of looking for south-south oil to steal, under the guise of fake ''brotherhood''? Ole. God knows the south-south will never fall for your manipulation. They saw how you called Lagos 'no man's land', and they KNOW that if you can be so bold to do that hundreds of miles away from the SE, you will do much worse with the south-south, if you get your chance. They know you call them drunkards behind their backs. ''Special Brothers'' to drunkards by virtue of crude oil. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Markfemi2: 3:46am On Jul 14, 2017 |
Dedetwo: Ndi gbo were slaves to Benin and onitsha was founded to use igbos as local slaves Who dash una democracy Was it not Ajayi crowther that civilised this monkeys See the tiny oyo village today oyo spread our language to South America and Caribbean Vs your monkeys 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Amberon11: 4:25am On Jul 14, 2017 |
like i said before, Niger deltans are wiser now. We have seen the way they go about their agitation, telling us we are biafrans wether we like it or not. Some even say we are igbos. If they're doing this Now, imagine what they would do to us if we finally agree to secede with them. Any Niger Deltan who is sympathetic to Biafra will simply relocate to the east. Rossikki: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by naijaking1: 4:29am On Jul 14, 2017 |
Rossikki: Ok now, I know the motive behind the purposeful distortion about the so-called south-south. Igbos make a significant proportion of the so-called SS no matter how you compute it. To you and the lazy, down trodden minuscule minorities of 2000 population calling yourselves a nation, I have news! Our oyel will take you nowhere. Even if your Hausa fulani lords hand off the oil so that you poverty stricken folks may 'enjoy' the so-called oyel, guess what? You will never make it! You're too poor in mind and spirit to make it. After the civil was Oba Akenzua(who worked as a perm sec in Enugu for many years) and people like Mr. Asemota were the arrow heads of falsely prosecuting Igbos to satisfy Hausa Fulanis, last week I met the wretched old Asemota preaching as a member of the Elder christian council of Nigeria, appealing to and begging Igbos for forgiveness. I guess he doesn't want to die a liar like Akenzua! While you're at it, use your history tool to tell us which country, group, or tribe anywhere in the World has ever progressed with abundant oil? Is it Venezuela(where oil is called the devil's excrement), or Kuwait, Saudi Arabia(who believed that allah gave them oil oil in order to spread terrorism), or Libya, or where? Compare those no good oil states with non-oil states like Germany, Japan, France, Italy, and you'll understand why Biafra is not about oil, petty minority, or laziness. 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Markfemi2: 4:50am On Jul 14, 2017 |
naijaking1: It's not about oil this igbo man They don't want a nation where igbo will be a thr only dominant ethinic group what is hard to grasp In your Biafra Igbo will constitute at least 70% of population And the remaining 30% have the oil and sea while you don't 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by naijaking1: 5:17am On Jul 14, 2017 |
Markfemi2: You have a different take on it now. But let me ask you, why is the Igbo the only tribe not afraid of fair competition? How can our nation develop when we don't promote the best brains, talents, and skills, just because they're not 'our people'? Most of the loudest minority voices against Igbos are people how felt personal loss to an an Igbo person, at worker, with is girl friend, or even at school. They can't come out and tell you they have something against an Igbo man, because he snatched his girlfriend, instead, he will go to his tiny tribe and weep up and conjure a rather unbelievable story against Igbos as a whole. Name all of them: Adaka Boro, Ken Saro Wiwa, Mr. Clark, and even prince Akenzua. All of them schooled, worked, and lived in Igbo land without anybody giving a damn about them until they got home to their tiny huts, and all of a sudden, the Igbos became their enemies. Igbos compete amongst themselves too, and the looser don't go cry about Imo, Enugu, or Anambra man, instead he goes home to fine tune his game and come back another time. The loud minority can't have their cake and eat it. If you insist on equal share of the food, you must get an equal share of the work too. Oh, BTW, Igbos have sea and oil--another discussion, the Yorubas wil not like! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Markfemi2: 5:37am On Jul 14, 2017 |
naijaking1: Another fat lie Igbos are competing and like every other tribe in Nigeria are winning siem and losing some Anytime igbos are losing that's when they say field is not level And you start attacking the winners That's why you attack Yoruba banks industries churches Bitter losers 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ispiksdatroof20: 6:02am On Jul 14, 2017 |
Markfemi2:South West is a Nigerian creation that was promoted by (South) Eastern politicians led by Nnamdi Azikiwe (using Anthony Enahoro as a front) to break up the power of the Yorubas by dividing their land. That whole area was formerly known as the Western Region and included present day Delta state. The Western Region was broken up into two, and from that came the Mid-west which Biafran forces invaded on their way to capture Lagos during the start of the Nigeria-Biafra war; that invasion led to a full fledged Nigerian civil war. But for that invasion, the battle would've been solely between the North and East as the MidWest (and the West ) had declared themselves neutral. The invasion left a sour taste in the mouths of the Edos, Itshekiris, Urhobos and co because the invading Ibo forces slaughtered them without remorse, removed them from seats of Governement Authority and instead put ethnic Ibos in charge of administration and governance of the region. It is no surprise then why, when Federal forces came to their rescue, the locals turned against their Ibo conquerors and joined the Federal forces in chasing them out of the Region. The MidWest was further broken into Bendel State when states were created. Bendel state was later broken into Edo and Delta states. Hence why it is laughable when Nnamdi Kanu and Ipob try to lay claim to any part of Nigeria after Onitsha. Either they are not cognizant of their history or they're trying to be deceptive. But, either way, if there is to ever be a Biafra the best thing would be to stop thinking of even an inch of land across the Niger River. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Markfemi2: 6:13am On Jul 14, 2017 |
Ispiksdatroof20: Bitter truth served |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ispiksdatroof20: 6:15am On Jul 14, 2017 |
naijaking1:Why is it only you guys everyone begs for forgiveness before they go on to the great beyond? Even when they were wronged by your tribe, someone always claims they begged for forgiveness before they died. Saro-Wiwa supposedly begged. Allegedly also did Awolowo, Adaka-Boro, Benjamin Adekunle and even Mamman Vasta. I had a Ibo Nigerian man whom ---not knowing how vast my knowledge of/and connection to Nigeria was---once tell me that Sanni Abacha's recorded last words were a plea of forgiveness from the Ibo nation. I resisted with all my strength from laughing loudly because I didn't want to be a rude host. 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ispiksdatroof20: 6:31am On Jul 14, 2017 |
cumbak60:While Ibos might not specifically be the problem of Nigeria, there's no denying that they--- along with the North--- are the biggest reasons why Nigeria is the way it is today. All one has to do is go back to pre-independence Nigeria and study all the politicking that went on up until Jan.1966 to understand why blame squarely falls on those two groups. Not to say the other ethnicities haven't been at fault, but the overambitious desire to rule the whole country by politicians from those two areas has led to continual bickering that's usually left the Western Region stuck between the Devil, His Twin brother and the deep blue Atlantic Ocean. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ispiksdatroof20: 6:34am On Jul 14, 2017 |
attackgat:Will they pay to organize a referendum because it is such an expensive project? Why don't they use the money to build a second Niger bridge instead if they have access to such funds? 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbos Really 'Special Brothers' With The Delta Ethnicities? If So, How? by Ispiksdatroof20: 6:39am On Jul 14, 2017 |
attackgat:Why wasn't Phillip Effiong made President or co-president along with Ojukwu? Why did they give him the cross to bear only after Ojukwu had fled his well fortified bunker into a private jet headed for the Ivory Coast? 1 Like |
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