moshuur:

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You are talking to a guy whose brain is suspended btw heaven and earth.

Empiree:
You are talking to a guy whose brain is suspended btw heaven and earth.

Am just trying to let him know he should be careful calling people t(hat believed in d shahadah,face d qibla to perform solat,fast in d month of Ramadan, give zakat/sodaqoh,going to hajj/umra)kafir just because of some action we may not av full understanding of.
Islam is very wide,Ibi ti aba riran mon lo ye Ka soro mon

moshuur:

Am just trying to let him know he should be careful calling people t(hat believed in d shahadah,face d qibla to perform solat,fast in d month of Ramadan, give zakat/sodaqoh,going to hajj/umram)kafir just because of some action we may not av full understanding of.
Islam is very wide,Ibi ti aba riran mon lo ye Ka soro mon

Doesn't matter what u say he's never gonna reason with you. He has zero knowledge of Islam and zero wisdom.

Jabata once said imam Nawawi is a kafir/faasiq(I can't remember d actual word he use).He later said that he made a mistake.Scholars do make a lot of research before calling a person(observing Islamic rules) a kafir.but Jabata did not do that in d case of nawawi.
He even said that we should not read one of d four imam books(either imam shafi/Abu hanifa...I can't remember also cuz av stopped listening to him a long time ago). He also adviced us against using spoon saying it is bidha

moshuur:

Am talking about those people that understand almost/everything about Islam.people like u and I can easily make mistake by calling people that are not kafir kafir due to some actions they may be doing that are bad but does not remove one from d fold of Islam...I hope u understand my point?
Pls sir tell me some rubbish u heard from Amubieya

LIKE I SAID, U KN0W N0THING ABOUT KAFIR ISSUE. DO U EVEN KNOW THERE IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMEONE THAT DO KUFRU ACT OR WORDS AND MAKING TAKFIR OF THAT PERSON? THERE ARE CONDITIONS PERSON THAT DO KUFRU ACT OR SAYINGS MUST FUFIL BEFORE BECOMING A KAFIR. . . DO U KN0W THOSE CONDITIONS?

moshuur:
Jabata once said imam Nawawi is a kafir/faasiq(I can't remember d actual word he use).He later said that he made a mistake.Scholars do make a lot of research before calling a person(observing Islamic rules) a kafir.but Jabata did not do that in d case of nawawi.
He even said that we should not read one of d four imam books(either imam shafi/Abu hanifa...I can't remember also cuz av stopped listening to him a long time ago). He also adviced us against using spoon saying it is bidha

What proof did he bring b4 making takfir of nawawi? what proof did he bring to support his claim of us n0t reading those imam book? and what proof did he bring to support dat eating with sp0on is bida? ISLAM DEALS WITH PROOF not the subject matter. n0wing

moshuur:
Jabata once said imam Nawawi is a kafir/faasiq(I can't remember d actual word he use).He later said that he made a mistake.Scholars do make a lot of research before calling a person(observing Islamic rules) a kafir.but Jabata did not do that in d case of nawawi.
He even said that we should not read one of d four imam books(either imam shafi/Abu hanifa...I can't remember also cuz av stopped listening to him a long time ago). He also adviced us against using spoon saying it is bidha

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U PEOPLE KEEP SAYING JABATA SAID THIS, HE SAY THAT, what u av to tackle is the proof he bring to support his claim

How I wish I understand yoruba to be able to listen to this jabata that everyone is talking about.

Empiree:
Doesn't matter what u say he's never gonna reason with you. He has zero knowledge of Islam and zero wisdom.

oga empiree you quoted me on the other thread and said something in yoruba hope no be insult oo. Because I can't remember insulting you. As for albaqir he is a kafir and I want anybody to prove to me that he is not.

Kaytixy:
oga empiree you quoted me on the other thread and said something in yoruba hope no be insult oo. Because I can't remember insulting you. As for albaqir he is a kafir and I want anybody to prove to me that he is not.

# Oh! You are not a Yoruba man.

# Why anybody, and not albaqir himself? Have you forgotten Nabi engaged Kuffar (Mushriqun, and those from Jew and Christian) in dialogue? So, why are you afraid of engaging kafir albaqir in a debate?

# Why is albaqir a kafir?

NB: If you accept this offer, we don't need to derail this thread or any other. You can open a new thread or go to general thread.

# If you don't, then you only prove yourself to be a coward.

AhluSunnah:
LIKE I KNEW.. U SAID TO FOLLOW KITAB WA SUNNAH AND YOU DO NOT FOLLOW IT. Allah call people kafir, rasul did, sahabahs did. . .and you say to leave calling people kafir to scholars. . ehn ehn. . so na scholars will make law into islam abi scholars na kitab wa sunnah? TSHEW . .Calling kafir a kafir is a pillar in islam.. denying it or rejecting it is also kufru..because u are simply against kitab wa sunnah

Now, the Islam pillars become six; THE PILLAR OF TAKFEER? This is a serious Fitna to this Ummah oo!!!