lagostokd:


The problem with people like you is not being open to knowledge different from what you believe.

I pointed out in my previous post that Giants were the one occupying the land and not Arabs as you claimed but you never responded in that line

You know me, or people like me? I honestly believed I was unique.

Be that as it may be. I quote a list of the inhabitants of the land according to Genesis 15.

On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaite, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."


The Rephaites, known as Phoenicians by the Greeks, were one of the groups of people who occupied the land that is described as "either a people of greater-than-average height and stature (possibly giants), or to dead ancestors who are residents of the Netherworld".

The point however is that the land the Israelites eventually stole belonged to some people whom they stole it from.

harbjar:

Another nonsense about islam....

What is nonsense about the FACT that God, whose name is Yahweh is different from the Islamic God whose name is Allah?

Firstly, since you re comparing, yoy shouldn't have used the name God's book for bible.. Its bias
Secondly, i need you to show me a verse in the boble where it was stated that one must marry one, most of the prophets mentioned in the bible practised polygamy.. Same bible said solomon had 700wives and 300 concubines...
The Holy Quran says..
Surah An-Nisa, Verse 3:
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا

And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four *[b]but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one* [/b]or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.
The only religious book that had the expression "marry only one is the Quran.. Not even the bible has such..

The Bible is very clear on monogamy! The standard for marriages was set in Genesis 2: 22-24

The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

God, in Malachi 2: 13 - 15 sanctioned monogamy because it produces godly offsprings

And this is the second thing you do:
You cover the altar of the Lord with tears,
With weeping and crying;
So He does not regard the offering anymore,
Nor receive it with goodwill from your hands.
Yet you say, “For what reason?”
Because the Lord has been witness
Between you and the wife of your youth,
With whom you have dealt treacherously;
Yet she is your companion
And your wife by covenant.
But did He not make them one,
Having a remnant of the Spirit?
And why one?
He seeks godly offspring.
Therefore take heed to your spirit,
And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth.

In 1 Timothy 3:2, the Bible is clear on monogamy expected of a Christian leader

Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

There are numerous verses in the Bible that teaches polygamy of which I only pointed out few just to counter your lies.

Are you really in agreement with the Quranic verse that you qouted?

'And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four *but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one* or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.'

It's obvious Islam sanctioned sex slaves and forceful marriages; no wonder, boko-haram could religiously boast about marrying captured Chibok girls, and an Emir could forceful marry Christian girls in Nigeria's north without any backlash from the security agents.

Thirdly. You said women re not respected in islam.... Pls het the quran and read pls and authentic hadiths to learn about what is said about women.. The quran also says;
Surah An-Nisa, Verse 1:
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمُ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُم مِّن نَّفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ وَخَلَقَ مِنْهَا زَوْجَهَا وَبَثَّ مِنْهُمَا رِجَالًا كَثِيرًا وَنِسَاءً وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ الَّذِي تَسَاءَلُونَ بِهِ وَالْأَرْحَامَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلَيْكُمْ رَقِيبًا

O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), [b]and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): [/b]for Allah ever watches over you.
(English - Yusuf Ali)

via iQuran
That womb that bore you means women... I dont jave all the time to treat ur nonsense but u need to learn more and seek the truth about islam

This question should address the place of women in Islam if you can think objectively. The reward for muslims who dies in the cause of Jihad is 72 Houris in Aljana; what is the reward of muslim women in aljana?

budaatum:

You know me, or people like me? I honestly believed I was unique.

Be that as it may be. I quote a list of the inhabitants of the land according to Genesis 15.

On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaite, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."


The Rephaites, known as Phoenicians by the Greeks, were one of the groups of people who occupied the land that is described as "either a people of greater-than-average height and stature (possibly giants), or to dead ancestors who are residents of the Netherworld".

The point however is that the land the Israelites eventually stole belonged to some people whom they stole it from.

Your response is clear enough. Now, you claimed they 'stole' it; who should they return it back to since the giants are all dead?

menxer:


What is dribbling that you don't understand? That Yahweh and Allah are both tribal Gods? So if Allah commanded his followers to fight, and Yahweh commanded his followers to fight, are they not the same in that? how is the essence of the fighting different?

Its obvious your mind is already made up and not open to knowledge. The rubbish you posted have already been addressed in my previous posts

lagostokd:

Your response is clear enough. Now, you claimed they 'stole' it; who should they return it back to since the giants are all dead?

I said they stole it from the very beginning. I'm sorry, but how can you claim to "know people like me" when you can't bother to read the only evidence you have for my existence? I even accepted your "giant" claim, but you refused to read it and make allegations about knowing me!

I haven't said it should be returned, least not to "giants" of some 2000 years ago plus. However another theft occurred in 1947, and this time, from the Palestinians. So, if you're thinking of giving it back, give it to them thank you very much.

The Balfour Declaration

budaatum:

I said they stole it from the very beginning. I'm sorry, but how can you claim to "know people like me" when you can't bother to read the only evidence you have for my existence? I even accepted your "giant" claim, but you refused to read it and make allegations about knowing me!

So it's now MY giant claim? Isn't that your 'claim' too in your previous post? Like I mentioned earlier, the major problem here is your inability to accept knowledge outside your believe system.

Read history; read books and be enlightened!

I haven't said it should be returned, least not to "giants" of some 2000 years ago plus. However another theft occurred in 1947, and this time, from the Palestinians. So, if you're thinking of giving it back, give it to them thank you very much.

The Balfour Declaration

So you mean they shouldn't return the land to the 'original owners' but to the Palestinians. Where were the 'Palestinians' when the Israelites 'stole' the land from the giants thousands of years ago?

Only lazy history students will even mention 'Palestinians' in the first place

Oh, I get it. You want me to go prove that Yahweh and Allah are the same thing? Oh sorry. What do I know except they both hold on to Abraham, both created the world, and Adam and Eve, and Mary, and Jesus, and the angel Gabriel, and both refer to the same areas and talk about the same god and lots more that's pretty the same in both books that describe them. The later book even claims the first book is one of its texts, albeit they claim its current version has been corrupted. But, I guess different folks make up the gods that suit them. It sure would explain the differences.

P.s. I don't have to read slowly, specially not what I write.

lagostokd:


I want you to read your post again, this time read it slowly

Yet, you are wrong! First Yahweh is not Jesus. Second Yahweh has the same values as Allah. And third, a Muslim and Christian who does not have the value called love of God and his fellow beings is worse than a dog (no insult to the dog is intended)

I will like to ask you some questions from your post

1. Who is Yahweh?

2. Who is Jesus?

3. What are the values of Yahweh?

4. What are the values of Allah?

5. Where was it written that 'a Muslim who does not have the value called love of God and is fellow beings is worse than a dog'?

6. Where was it written that 'a Christian who does not have the value called love of God and is fellow beings is worse than a dog'?

Your answers will address your initial post

budaatum:



The Balfour Declaration

I'll like you read this link https://www.newswithviews.com/israel/israel14.htm

lagostokd:

Only lazy history students will even mention 'Palestinians' in the first place

You know very well that your only history book is your bible so stop trying to shove it down other peoples throat as if you're being objective! Giants my ass! You read that in a history book?!

You're trying to hide your ineptitude and ignorance in condescension and insults, but you need to go learn some. You're rather poor at it!

budaatum:

You know very well that your only history book is your bible so stop trying to shove it down other peoples throat as if you're being objective! Giants my ass! You read that in a history book?!

Why can't you stop being lazy and read about giants who once lived on this earth? The internet is an open library!

You're trying to hide your ineptitude and ignorance in condescension and insults, but you need to go learn some. You're rather poor at it!

Don't take it personal, just be open minded; study and get knowledge

lagostokd:


Why can't you stop being lazy and read about giants who once lived on this earth? The internet is an open library!



Don't take it personal, just be open minded; study and get knowledge

Next you'd be telling me to go read about unicorns with golden horns!

If you really want to know about the conflict between the Jews and the Palestinians, you would have to dig much deeper than a few links to a website. There's a lot of proper books out there, but ensure you read widely so you don't just feed yourself one side of the story.

And please, do yourself some credit. Any book that mentions "giants" and literally means "giants", I advise you drop it in a dustbin.

the Muslim jesus cn never b d jesus in d corrupt book wit plenty contradictions, lies, unfulfilled prophesies, porn, a book edited many times to suit d reader,
jus a few contradictions for u to fix for me, many bibles have tried damage control on some verses, but it didn't work

1) ezra 2;2-63 and Nehemiah 7;7-65
same names, different numbers
ezra 2:64, if u add up, the sum is 29,818 and not 42,360 as d bible said.
nehemiah 7:66. the sum is 31,089 and not 42,360

2) ezra 2:65, it says 200 singing men n women
Nehimiah 7:67, it says 245

3) 2kings 24:8, joachin ws 18 wen he began to reign, n reigned for 3mths 10 days
2chronicles 36:9 he ws 8yrs and ruled for 3 months

4)1kings 7:26.. 2000 baths
2cronicles 4:5 3000 baths

5)2kings 8:26 ahesia ws 22 yrs wen he began to reign
2chronicles 22:2 he ws 42 wen he began to reign

6)In 1 Kings 16:6-8, Baasha dies and his throne is given to his son Elah in the
"twenty and sixth year of Asa" . However, in 2 Chronicles 16:1, Baasha comes up against Judah in the "six and thirtieth year of the reign of Asa" . How can Baasha die in the 26th year of Asa and be alive in the 36th year of Asa?

7)2 Chronicles 22:2 Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he became king,
2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king,

people involved in the battlefield
2samuels 24:9 In Israel there were 800k able-bodied men who could handle a sword, and in Judah 500k
1chronicles 21:5 ..1,100,000 warriors in Israel who could handle a sword, and 470,000 in Judah.
same reporter dictating to d two writers different figures on the same thing.

2samuels 6:23 Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
2samuels 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul,

9) 1 Corinthians 14:33, God s not the author of confusion.. therefore, God cannot be illogical..

genesis 1: 3-5 light ws created on d first day
u cnt have day or night without d rotation of the earth, so if light ws created on the first day, without a source , and without earth, then day and night is illogical in this case and God is not illogical..

genesis 1: 14-19, cause of light, sun , stars etc, wer created on the 4th day

genesis 1:9-13, earth was created on the third day

lagostokd:


What is nonsense about the FACT that God, whose name is Yahweh is different from the Islamic God whose name is Allah?



The Bible is very clear on monogamy! The standard for marriages was set in Genesis 2: 22-24

The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

God, in Malachi 2: 13 - 15 sanctioned monogamy because it produces godly offsprings

And this is the second thing you do:
You cover the altar of the Lord with tears,
With weeping and crying;
So He does not regard the offering anymore,
Nor receive it with goodwill from your hands.
Yet you say, “For what reason?”
Because the Lord has been witness
Between you and the wife of your youth,
With whom you have dealt treacherously;
Yet she is your companion
And your wife by covenant.
But did He not make them one,
Having a remnant of the Spirit?
And why one?
He seeks godly offspring.
Therefore take heed to your spirit,
And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth.

In 1 Timothy 3:2, the Bible is clear on monogamy expected of a Christian leader

Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

There are numerous verses in the Bible that teaches polygamy of which I only pointed out few just to counter your lies.

Are you really in agreement with the Quranic verse that you qouted?

'And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four *but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one* or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.'

It's obvious Islam sanctioned sex slaves and forceful marriages; no wonder, boko-haram could religiously boast about marrying captured Chibok girls, and an Emir could forceful marry Christian girls in Nigeria's north without any backlash from the security agents.



This question should address the place of women in Islam if you can think objectively. The reward for muslims who dies in the cause of Jihad is 72 Houris in Aljana; what is the reward of muslim women in aljana?

In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

In Deuteronomy 21:15 "If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons...."

There are a lot more verses from the Old Testament that allow polygamy, but I think that the above are sufficient enough to prove my point.
So basically what you just said is abraham who had two wives, moses who had three wives, david, solomon etc all Great men of God in the bible committed adultery.....
Then on ur last point that if a man dies during jihad amd, he would be given 72virgins in the heaven
Pls quote me an ayah in the Quran that shows this ..thank you

lagostokd:


Its obvious your mind is already made up and not open to knowledge. The rubbish you posted have already been addressed in my previous posts

Never be the first to descend to the underworld of name calling, it's like multiplying any thing with zero.

lagostokd:

study and get knowledge

Here's one for you. It might help you understand how your giants came about. But I'd advise you read Jack and the beanstalk instead. I suspect it would do you much more good.

Ioseph:
I'm no muslim nor am I a Christian - I am a complete Atheist through and through, but JihadWatch is a sensationalist claptrap filled with pathetically obvious anti-Islamic and pro-US Foreign Policy political motivations and a cherry-picking attitude with regards to history in order to paint Islam as the big bad bad and Christianity as moderate good good, creating the illusion that they have revealed something scandalous about the West's attitudes to the Islamic World. I don't suggest copy-pasting from their pages because it shows the impression that you are not willing nor capable of holding a mature discussion on the subject yourself.

Here's a post you should have heeded op.

And the lesson is, those who live in glass houses should beware of stone throwing.

Or, taking from a book many seem to have read, "Judge not least ye be judged"

Oh, "and puny people should beware of intellectual giants!"

harbjar:

In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

In Deuteronomy 21:15 "If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons...."

There are a lot more verses from the Old Testament that allow polygamy, but I think that the above are sufficient enough to prove my point.
So basically what you just said is abraham who had two wives, moses who had three wives, david, solomon etc all Great men of God in the bible committed adultery.....
Then on ur last point that if a man dies during jihad amd, he would be given 72virgins in the heaven
Pls quote me an ayah in the Quran that shows this ..thank you

Your statement "There are a lot more verses from the Old Testament that allow polygamy"is very wrong because God never permitted any of them to marry more than one wife.

God wants monogamy for the purpose of raising godly children. Read Malachi 2: 15 - 16

Didn’t the Lord make you one with your wife? In body and spirit you are his. And what does he want? Godly children from your union. So guard your heart; remain loyal to the wife of your youth. “For I hate divorce!” says the Lord, the God of Israel. “To divorce your wife is to overwhelm her with cruelty,” says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. “So guard your heart; do not be unfaithful to your wife.”

Your Allah commanded otherwise
Quran 4:3
"Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess."

Your Allah approved of marriage to two, three, or four. In fact, your Allah approves marrying captive girls. (Chibok girls come to mind). Isn't your Allah the inspiration for boko haram marrying off some Chibok girls?

onlyTheTruth:
the Muslim jesus cn never b d jesus in d corrupt book wit plenty contradictions, lies, unfulfilled prophesies, porn, a book edited many times to suit d reader,

It's good we're on the same page that Jesus Christ whose purpose was to die for the sins of the world and resurrected on the third day - ascended to heaven and given a name that is above every other name, that at the mention of the name of Jesus, every knee must bow and every tongue confess that he is the Lord is totally different from the Isah jesus version of Islamic prophet Mohammed: the Isah jesus that was a prophet of the allah.

The falsehood of claiming to be Jesus didn't start with Islam, it started many years before Islam in Acts 13:6 when a false prophet called Bar-Jesus was operating. Islam also created their own version of Jesus called Isah to deceive many just like Bar-Jesus of old. Even in recent times, a lot of people have been claiming to be Jesus e.g Jesus of Oyingbo, Jesus of Mushin

See more people in history claiming to be Jesus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus

They would have had more 'believers' like Islam if they had used sword and war to propagate their falsehood like Islam

Don't be in this falsehood,come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ today

lagostokd:


Your statement "There are a lot more verses from the Old Testament that allow polygamy"is very wrong because God never permitted any of them to marry more than one wife.

God wants monogamy for the purpose of raising godly children. Read Malachi 2: 15 - 16

Didn’t the Lord make you one with your wife? In body and spirit you are his. And what does he want? Godly children from your union. So guard your heart; remain loyal to the wife of your youth. “For I hate divorce!” says the Lord, the God of Israel. “To divorce your wife is to overwhelm her with cruelty,” says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. “So guard your heart; do not be unfaithful to your wife.”

Your Allah commanded otherwise
Quran 4:3
"Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess."

Your Allah approved of marriage to two, three, or four. In fact, your Allah approves marrying captive girls. (Chibok girls come to mind). Isn't your Allah the inspiration for boko haram marrying off some Chibok girls?

you still haven't answered my questions.... Did moses, abraham, David, Solomon etc that all married more than one wife commit adultery.... Because God said do not commit adultery.... And if they did why didn't God raise a single verse to condemn them for adultery

harbjar:

you still haven't answered my questions.... Did moses, abraham, David, Solomon etc that all married more than one wife commit adultery.... Because God said do not commit adultery.... And if they did why didn't God raise a single verse to condemn them for adultery

They all suffered the consequences of marrying multiple wives

Abraham's own through Hagar produced Ishmael, whose spiritual descendants are Muslims - the troublemakers of the world

David's wives were humiliated before all Israel 2 Sam 16:22. David suffered other consequences of adultery

Solomon's multiple wives turned him to worship idols which was detestable in the sight of God

God's perfect plan for mankind is one man to one wife. He created Adam and Eve; not Adam and multiple Eves. Any God that commands you to marry multiple wives is NOT the true God. Women are not properties to be owned, they are God's creation to be loved and adored

lagostokd:
The Jesus Christ of the Bible is not the same as the Jesus (Prophet Isa) of the Quran. Christians do not worship the same God as Muslims. Below are the major differences between Christianity and Islam

1. God’s only begotten Son is Jesus Christ. Allah has no begotten son
2. God made salvation available by sacrificing His Son and promises salvation by grace to those who believe. Allah sacrificed nothing, and only saves if sufficient works are done.
3. God (Yahweh) has a payment for sins—Jesus Christ. Allah has no payment for sins.
4. God’s Christ paid for the sins of mankind. Allah paid for nothing, and all men pay for their own sins.
5. God’s salvation is through Christ’s work. Allah’s salvation is through people’s works.
6. God’s saving work is, “Come to Christ.” The major part of Moslem salvation is to believe Mohammed was the sum and seal of the prophets.
7. God’s book is very different from Allah’s book. They contradict each other, so they cannot both be true. For example, the Bible says Christ was resurrected from the dead. The Moslems reject that as a lie.
8. God says his Son is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Allah says Christ is “only a messenger” (Chap. 5, “The Food” sect. 10, par. 75).
9. God treats men and women equally. Allah does not.
10. God says marriages today (Christian) are to be monogamous. Allah allows more than one wife.
11. There is no marriage in God’s Paradise. Faithful men and those who die in the cause of Jihad get many virgins (houri) in Allah’s aljana.
Reference: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/08/no-the-muslim-jesus-is-not-even-close-to-the-jesus-of-the-bible

Interesting compilation!

Kobojunkie:
Interesting compilation!

Yahweh worshipper

ashjay001:
■The truth is, men actually came together to determine d relationship btw Jesus n God. The scriptures available then, were confusing enough to be debated! So, who do u think is right? Christians or Moslems?
To be clear, they actually had to convene twice!

Why should you let those men decide these things for you? Why not access God directly in order to have your questions answered by Him?

menxer:
■Read your post again. It insinuates you are right and the Muslims are wrong. When you compare two points of view that is what you get, one must be wrong for the other to be right, one must decrease for the other to increase, one must be the truth for the other to be a lie.
■ Both cannot be the truth, else why the comparison and the fighting? Unless we are ignorant of the truth. @bolded, Jesus spoke in metaphors, allegories, parables, maybe that is why many are finding it difficult to understand his discoveries.

1. Interesting! Well, given that Jesus Christ came as an Israelites and reported that He was sent by His Father only to those who are of Israel, what do you think?

2. Everybody speaks at some point in time in metaphors, allegories, parables, etc. These are language constructs that even the average individual uses from time to time. So, Jesus's use of these same tools in His teachings does not change anything of the Truth as declared by Him nor does it imply an understanding of the one who is God's Law is not available to all those for who the message was meant. For Pete's sake, Jesus Christ taught His Gospel to fishermen and other laymen of His time.

menxer:
■You said he is King of Kings, you are in a better position to tell me who the other Kings are?
■ Neither would he need you to defend his claim to the title of God of Gods nor be so particular about being worshipped?
■ If Lucifer was vained in coveting the title, Yahweh must be vained in demanding to be worshipped to the point of threatening to raise stones to worship him. Must you resort to insult to defend your points? What do you mean by "false self belief?"

Again, not attempting to hold brief for any others here ...

1. He is the King of Kings and the other kings are all of those who belong to Him in the Kingdom of God. They are to become kings to rule with Him over all the kingdoms of the world.

2. He is God of gods given that all those who belong to Him are also gods — Sons of God.

3. Lucifer is a myth created in the minds of men. It is not of scripture. Instead, Jesus Christ is described as the Brighter morning star in Scripture - Revelations 22 vs 16