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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 10:58am On Dec 09, 2012 |
firestar: Interesting Topic. So. . . which IS the ONLY TRUE RELIGION? I've noticed this question have been ignored. . .? you have been here in this forum for some time now. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 11:04am On Dec 09, 2012 |
dwonder: Jehovah’s Witnesses it is on old topic like this that you come to know what a person really is. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 12:42pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
MyJoe: MyJoe:i can still recall a discussion with you were you said that "your friend a JW let you lay your hands on something you should not have layed your hands on" when i said that it was a "CD wt library" you denied it, but see you here saying it yourself with your own words. How true then can one take your utterances? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 1:47pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 2:01pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
RWilliams: Not sure how to quote an excerpt from another blogger on this forum, help please? after quoting his comment from the quote icon below his comment just ensure to cut the exact post of the posters comment and insert in his up and down quote like illustrated below. See eg: [quote author=RWilliams] in side likes this [/quote ] |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 6:11pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
true2god: I need a sincere and baptized JW to ansa this: hahaha. Lol. Trinity has finish this one. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Ampeaceful(f): 9:10am On Jan 10, 2013 |
Nestle: I don't have any thing again JWs, but i have a question. Why is it that JWs don't like praying b/4 preaching?hav u ever bothered askin them when they r ryt there @ur doorpost? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by true2god: 1:41pm On Jan 10, 2013 |
truthislight:Pls get busy and spend less time on nairaland. Enjoy ur week. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 4:51pm On Jan 10, 2013 |
true2god: Pls get busy and spend less time on nairaland. Enjoy ur week. this was how you have been lying all over the place in the past but when you were called to defend the bible today you turned ignorant and cant quote the bible. Yes, people like me should leave NL so that people like you that thrive in ignorance will have a field day in darkness. You should be ashamed of your self. Rut. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Yooguyz: 6:06pm On Jan 10, 2013 |
truthislight:brodas please be calm it doesn't have to degenerate to this |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by kokolet007(f): 7:32am On Jan 11, 2013 |
This is a very old thread since 2005......bt one of the best! Right now am now an unbaptised publisher! Which am so blessed to serve jehovah God until he said its finally over! 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Ampeaceful(f): 10:44am On Jan 11, 2013 |
Am happy 4 u...keep it up Jehovah wil reward u abundantly... |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by MostHigh: 11:22am On Jan 11, 2013 |
Bobbyaf How can yashua the son of joseph be the farther? Then who rules during the kingsom age? pls do not preach wrong doctrine Yashua is the son if you live your life like him then you will see the farther surely. isa 9 refers to the kingdom age pls not and the government shall be upon his shoulders, just like david a king priest melchizedek monarch priest same thing |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by MostHigh: 11:31am On Jan 11, 2013 |
you remember what the bible says Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the middle of them. Why all this interdinominational wahala? Who has put mankind on this broad dangerouse road Live the way of the jew in your private meditations for your master yashua son of joseph is a jew. John 4:22 salvation is of the jew Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the (Jew) first, and also to the Greek. So which one una come be now jew or gentile? make una check am now when una wan start to live the way of the master in all ways no joke ooo! nothing stops you from living in the kingdom now but mark my words you cannot sneak into the kingdom, is it at that time you will learn to live as a jew? check am now we say Isreal reborn, can she be governed by any other law apart from the bible why go yeah after all these pharasees each one gloryfying himself having his own banner and agenda If it was yams and oil and beans that was being tithed would they not have been forced to share the food to the poor else it rots? But here we see a systems that worships mammon paper money yes oooo! The harlot sits upon many waters and she has many children |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by fuye101: 1:42pm On Feb 08, 2013 |
Nice n beautiful explaination uchetobi n vchlady. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Pygru: 11:40pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
trisha: I have come across so many religions but I think Jehovah's Witnesses stick to the bible. What do you guys think?Really? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nobody: 1:58am On Aug 14, 2013 |
waz born a jw ......but stop attending, but i'll still give them credit |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Yooguyz: 6:09pm On Aug 26, 2013 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by bolakale30(m): 8:28am On Aug 30, 2013 |
Every Religion has a theme, Islam claims theirs is Peace... Christianity believes theirs is love.... But need I tell u it's all false, Let's take the JW for example, once they are enlisted(pardon my use of words, couldn't think of a milder synonym), they shun their relatives who don't share the same faith even if they christians with different denomination, could this be love ? (I owe the inspiration to the last phrase to Opa Williams "Night of a Thousand life", sue me not plagiarism). As if that one no reach, once u are a shunned ex-member, u are completely ostracized. The best example of reconciliation unto love matter couldn't be better than the story of the prodigal son, but then (on a sarcastic note) that part could have been missing in the Jehovah witnesses NWT bible.... Last Bullet: Religion is a fraud but it must be maintained for the masses(na im still be the opium wey dem dey drink) |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by MyJoe: 2:03pm On Oct 27, 2013 |
truthislight:Despite strong evocations to the contrary, I remain advised that the “truthislight” handle belongs to a human rather than a bot. While only a bot would normally exhibit such spectacular want of ability to recall correctly, cogitate or parse, one must make some allowance for the religious fool splashing about the pool of lies in a wretched undertaking to discredit a Nairalander and defend his Jehovah. And what utterance have I made here that requires your taking them as true rather than easy verification? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 3:33pm On Oct 27, 2013 |
MyJoe: Hehehehe what else can one expect from your like, other than such ^. What you get out of a can is a function of the content of the can. Though the truth is bitter to some. Have a nice day. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Pygru: 4:30pm On Oct 27, 2013 |
Do you want to trust your eternal soul to the teachings of several men headquartered in Brooklyn, New York who claim to be the directors of God's organization on earth? Do you? Eternity is a long time to be wrong. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by MyJoe: 7:06pm On Oct 27, 2013 |
truthislight:Very good you knew what to expect - at least, you claim to. Now go ahead and prove you weren't lying for Jehovah as always in your claim about the CD denial. That should be easy. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 10:07pm On Oct 27, 2013 |
MyJoe: Who is the liar here ? Who cares about dinial and living in denial ? Whatever! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nobody: 3:15pm On Oct 28, 2013 |
@Ndipe I almost joined that group, because I Ndipe I really understand you. I personally thought that believing Christ arose in the spirit is absurd, but that is the lead we have from the bible. but first, can you tell me why you think that teaching is wrong? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nobody: 3:42pm On Oct 28, 2013 |
Bobbyaf: I hope that what I have to say regarding the topic won't be seen as offensive by any JWs on the board, or any who are preparing to be. I am simply saying whats on my mind as it relates to the studies I have done on the organization. I have some dear friends and family members who happen to be JWs. You are correct. many of our understanding of the scriptures have changed. this doesnt mean that we do not have the truth. no. some mistake has been a result of unguided zeal and human mistakes. but the goodnews is that Jah leads his organisation progressively. the light gets brighter with time. Even the apostles has to adjust their understanding. Almost all of their prophecies concerning the end of the world have failed. Truth cannot be altered. If its truth today, then its truth for tomorrow. Ya. many have stumbled over the method of given death of when the end will come as done by JWs. humans we sometimes do have wrong expectations, just like the apostles thought Christ was restoring the kingdom at that time. in short it is the highest mistake to give a date when the world will end 'cos not even Jesus is aware of that. we are still learning doesnt mean that what we have now is wrong. no. the light shines brighter as the day goes by. in which area further light will shine cannot be determined for now as God leads His people progressively. A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear, (Matt. 24:24). True prophecies of God never fails. The position of Jw is understanding and given meaning to what the prophesies uttered in the bible is, we are not inspired prophets to which you can say we are false prophets. You can say we had wrong expectation. the prophesies of God hasnt failed because of our wrong expectations. the prophsies in the bible has already been made. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nobody: 4:07pm On Oct 28, 2013 |
lafile: JW's are one of the most inconsistent religious organisations in existence. Apart from those highlighted by Bobbyaf in his first post, i would also like to highlight a few more. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nobody: 4:43pm On Oct 28, 2013 |
lafile: JW's are one of the most inconsistent religious organisations in existence. Apart from those highlighted by Bobbyaf in his first post, i would also like to highlight a few more. We do not reject any of them. nether do we view them as the head of JWs. the head of the congregation is still Jesus. they really did alot in our bible understanding, but they are fallible. but it is worthy of note that they are presidents of our corporation, NOT presidents of JWs. they are elders just like we have elders in our different congregations. The presidents are not the faithful slave, but are members of this slave. The Watchtower organization claims "apostolic succession" for all its leaders, though there is no one who they can claim "passed the torch of God's Spirit" to C. T. Russell when he founded the organization. We do not claim apostolic succession, unless it was in the past, but I need a prove to believe. There are so many inconsistencies in the New World Translation of tyhe Bible. You find that words are translated differently when they point to the deity of Jesus Christ. We have flaws cos we are humans. and we do admit our mistakes. the NWT may have its mistakes, but this doesnt mean that it is inconsistent. Jesus doesnt claim to be the almighty God. to be sincere, bible translation require the overall knowledge of the bible, and with regards to Jesus, they have really transmitted what Jesus had in mind when on earth. To help you understand. Pls does the almighty God have a God? I know how hard it is to understand that this long help believe is not the truth. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nobody: 12:21am On Oct 29, 2013 |
@bobbyaf Bobbyaf: @ vchlady that was a nice advise. Personal study and conviction is advised even by JWs. However, he thinks the JWs helps him to know the truth. He cant realise this without personal study. Good to know that, but Jehovah has directed all eyes to His Son Jesus Christ. If you're not doing that then you'd have failed to recognise the essence of the plan of salvation. Jesus is the bridge between the Father and you. Listen to what Jesus said: I really like your method. Your showing that one is the way and the other is the destination is a good start to solving the trinity puzzle. Jesus is not the destination, but God is. God is not the way but Jesus is. That is true. Jesus said so in John14. But he wasnt implying that he was the father or equal to Him. Jesus perfectly represented the Father such that seeing him is as if you were hearing directly from the father. Why? Cos he does what His father told him to do. Lets go to the end of that chapter. John 14:28, 31 KJV "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. [31] But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence."[b] From that verse 28, dont you think that Jesus is not equal to the father? From verse 31, dont you think that no one should give the almighty a commandment? For Jesus to stick to a commandment shows he cannot equal with the one who gave it to him. Not so? Since Jesus mentained this commandment given to him, expecting to see the father is pointless cos Jesus did what the Father would have done. [b]Were you made aware at your organization that the word Jehovah is not an accurate translation form the Hebrew?All the vowels in the word, that is e, o, and a were placed there by jewish writers who departed from the original manuscript. You of all persons should have known that the original expression resembled YHWH. Originally Hebrew didn't have any vowels, and was written right to left, although some of the consonants carry with them the indication of associated vowel sounds. For instance, the "Y" is associated with the sound of a "long e", as in "team". The H is associated with the sound of a "short a" as "ah!" The Vav is associated with the vowel "u" and produces the sound in the word "cool." Thus, the name of the Creator sounds something like "ee-ah oo' ah", with the accent on the second of the three syllables, as is the pronunciation convention in Hebrew. Hence the closer pronunciation, or sounding for the name is Yahweh, and not Jehovah which is a man-made concoction.[quote] Oga, you are correct that we do not have the correct pronunciation, but even the Yahweh is man made and concocted as you said above. Even Jesus and Joshua is concocted. But why we use those names is that this is the way we pronounce it in english NOT hebrew. I can give other eg of names which may have been pronounced differently in hebrew. You of all people do not know that we christian are not pronouncing hebrew name as the ancient hebrew do, rather we pronounce it colloquially? So if you call Jesus or Messiah, you think you are pronouncing it as hebrews do? No, rather that is how it is in english. If you want to pronounce in hebrew then stop pronouncing Yeshua as Jesus cos it is wrong. [quote]You say that Jehovah wants us to call and use His name, so how come Jesus called Him Father? How come Jesus taught His disciples to address His Father as Father also? How come Jesus referred to Him as God, and not Jehovah? On the cross Jesus cried out "Eloi, Eloi" which means God. How do you know that Jesus didnt use that name? Because you and your scholars didnt find it in the manuscript we have today? There is an indication that Jesus used that name. John 17:6 KJV I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. John 17:26 KJV And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it : that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. We do not possess the original manuscript written by the apostles. So the name may have been replaced by copyists who do not know how to pronounce the name. At least the apostles couldnt have removed the name cos the manuscript of the septuagint used that time had that name on it. Can you find any evidence in the New Testament that any of the disciples referred to the Father as Jehovah seeing that the word Jehovah incorrectly came from the Tetragammon YHWH? Kindly go back to the NT manuscript and see if any reference was ever made to Jehovah. The only word that scholars are familiar with is Κυριος, a greek word which means Lord, and often it was associated with Jesus. The abbreviated form of the name, Jah appeared in revelation. This is an indication that they used the name. Do you think that when Jesus was reading the scroll of Isaiah where the name appeared, that Jesus will skip it and pronounce "lord" instead? That would sound funny. The name could have been there but was removed sometimes after the first century. I am glad you raised this issue. Its funny how you are quick to teach that Jesus is a lesser God, and that the Father is the true God. In John 1 the JWs teach that Jesus is a God, or a lesser God than the Father. That would mean that there are 2 Gods. One is greater than the other according to JWs. The very text you quoted contradicts your beliefs. The greek word for worship could also be translated obeisance. That is the way the NWT translated that verse. Why? Luke 4:8 KJV "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." Since Jesus identified that we should worship only his father, it follows that any time we see that greek word describing him, it means that the sense conveyed is that of obeisance NOT worship. After all Jesus worshipped the Father. Secondly, the word elohim/theos doesnt always mean someone who is ascribed worship. So if Jesus is called god, it doesnt mean you should worship him cos other persons do answer god in the bible, but are not worshipped. let us view Revelation 1 and see how John describes Jesus: True Jesus has the title first and last at Rev. 1:17. But this a title and those not mean he is without beginning. Jesus is the first to rise to immortality from the dead and the last one to be so resurrected by Jah directly. That is why he bore that title. However, the first and the last stated at Isaiah has no definite article in the originals. So grammatically, the one at Rev. 1:17 is about title while the one at Isaiah is about Godship of Jehovah. As for Rev.1:11, the Alpha and Omega there is spurious. That is why you dont see it in Revise Standard Version. I hope you noticed that it was God that gave Jesus this revelation. I wonder who can give God almighty a revelation and send Him on errand. Think about it. I also want you to notice how your own words have betrayed you. You say that whenever we see the word Lord as its seen now in the sentence, being written in lower case it means the Son right? This is what you said earlier: Well Jehovah wants us to know his so anywhere in your Bible where LORD is in capital letters Jehovah's name is suppose to be there and when you see lower case letters Jesus name is suppose to be there. Oga, it is true he didnt make it clear to you. What he mean to say is that the word LORD and lord when it occures in the "OT" are different hebrew words. The capital stands for YHWH while the small letter is kyrios. Though some still replace the YHWH with God. At Rev.1:8, the person being spoken of as alpha and Omega is Jehovah NOT Jesus. Though the previous verse refers to Jesus but that verse 8 is talking about Jah. It is only Him the bible refers to as the almighty. He cant be the almighty and yet receive a revelation from another power. Since it was God who gave Jesus the revelation, at times the person talking is Jesus, at times it an angel and at times it is God almighty. You are now in a position to challenge the doctrine. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nobody: 1:28am On Oct 29, 2013 |
Bobbyaf: @ ricadelide What is nonsensical statement? So even the American Translation, Moffatt, also the marginal reading at RSV are nonsensical? To buttress the point that the writer is not saying that Jesus is equal to God, see verse 9, Hebrews 1:9 KJV "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." From that verse 9, can you confidently say that the almighty has a God, since the one described in verse 8 has a God in verse 9? secondly, that verse is a quotation from Psalms 45:6, 7, so a human king of Israel is now almighty God? sorry for you. Look at Genesis 2:1-2 and notice how complex the sentence construction is. 1 Thus the heavens and the earth and all their army came to their completion. 2 And by the seventh day God came to the completion of his work that he had made, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had made. 1. the enhanced size. how can you claim to know hebrew but make that statement that woefully expose your shallow reasoning? Both you and those who write in their translation "rested" at gen2:2 needs to go back to class and study hebrew once more. the word in question is "waiyishboth". this verb is in the imperfect state denoting incomplete or continuous action. so the NWT faithfully transmitted the flavor of that verse. 2. read that hebrew very well and see that the rest day Paul was talking about was ongoing. Hebrews 4:4-6 KJV For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. [5]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. [6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:" cant you see that the rest day is ongoing. Paul compared two scriptures to show that the rest day is ongoing. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nobody: 1:33am On Oct 29, 2013 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nobody: 1:53am On Oct 29, 2013 |
Horus: Jehovah Witness’ Fake Christ please can you prove the bolded? |
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