TonyeBarcanista:
Which UN labelled herdsmen a terrorist group? Herdsmen are businessmen engaged in the line of Cattle rearing.

Please, I need to see the UN resolution that proscribed cattle rearing

APCsupporter:


I don't know why you guys love hypocrisy so much.

your leader ordered you to go on rampage if the court should order his arrest even though it is very clear that he has violated virtually all of his bail conditions

he created an army in the country and threatened to cut off the head of the president

He promised to nuke the country with the help of Trump, Putin and Israel and urged you to kill innocent Yoruba and Fulani people and you have started doing that already. over 3 mosques were burnt down by ipob yesterday and many Hausa people were killed.

The op is right. Ipob is fast becoming a terrorist organization that needs to be stopped in time before it becomes another monster like Boko Haram

LordOfNaira:


There is a difference between Fulani militia (regarded as terrorists) and Fulani herdsmen under registered associations (who are businessmen).

LordOfNaira:


There is a difference between Fulani militia (regarded as terrorists) and Fulani herdsmen under registered associations (who are businessmen).

freeze001:
E be like say APDA runs no too favour Tonye.. The sure cars of acceptance in Nigeria is veiled or outright antagonism of Igbos so why not?

He is quoting terrorism act but conveniently skips the procedure for declaring a group a terrorist one. Does the Army have the legal power to unilaterally declare any group as terrorists? Tonyebarcanista will support an outright illegality just to remain relevant. The same army in its statement on Thursday clearly pronounced that the group does not carry arms and then Friday declares it an armed terrorist group.

Op claims that MACBAN cannot be declared a terrorist group because the group does not support the murderous, terrorist activities of some of its members but their leader is on record explaining and justifying why they perpetrated attacks against innocent people yet that is not support.

Southerners that have sold their souls to the devil because of political gains will end up in the belly of the fish.

TonyeBarcanista:
Which UN labelled herdsmen a terrorist group? Herdsmen are businessmen engaged in the line of Cattle rearing.

Please, I need to see the UN resolution that proscribed cattle rearing

TonyeBarcanista:

Who are the international bodies that termed people engaged in the business of cattle rearing as "terrorists"? Pls can you refer me to any?


And I hope you didn't skip this...

kendrick9:
are u in a coma or just recovering....have u not seen the damage and killings done by the Fulani s across the country? what more do u need before labelling them a terrorist group.

aolawale025:


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/global-terrorism-index-nigerian-fulani-militants-named-as-fourth-deadliest-terror-group-in-world-a6739851.html

sleazy5:
I decided not to comment on any issue bothering the proscribtion of the activities of IPOP as a terrorist group. However I am compelled to comment. You raised the issue of what constitutes terrorism under ther Anti Terrorism (Prevention Act) 2011, but you failed to bring to our notice How an organisation can be proscribed or labelled a terrorist organization. For the avoidance of doubt Section 2 (1) of the Act says WHERE TWO OR MORE PERSONS ASSOCIATE FOR THE PURPOSE OF OR WHERE AN ORGANIZATION ENGAGES IN -
(a) Participating or collaborating in terrorosm;
((b) Promoting encouraging or exhorting others to commit an act of terrorism; or
(c) setting up or pursuing acts of terrorism, THE JUDGE IN CHAMBERD MAY ON AN APPLICATION MADE BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER OR INSPECTOR GENERAL OF POLICE ON THE APPROVAL OF THE PRESIDENT DECLARE ANY ENTIRY TO VE A PROSCRIBED ORGANIZATION AND THE NOTICE SHALL BE PUBLISHED IN OFFICIAL GAZETTE.
Subsection (2) goes further to say such an order shall be published in the officual Gazette, two national newspapers and at such places as the Judge in chambers may decide.
Subsection (3) requires the application to be accompanied with relevant particulars as the Judge in chambers may specify.
These are the steps to take when prescribing an organization under the Anti Terrorism Prevention Act.
The question to ask is where these steps taken was there due process in doing a thing? If not, then...........
We are a country built on democratic principles lets try to ad her to those democratic principles and frown at illegalities

Please I am not holding brief for IPOB.

sleazy5:
I decided not to comment on any issue bothering the proscribtion of the activities of IPOP as a terrorist group. However I am compelled to comment. You raised the issue of what constitutes terrorism under ther Anti Terrorism (Prevention Act) 2011, but you failed to bring to our notice How an organisation can be proscribed or labelled a terrorist organization. For the avoidance of doubt Section 2 (1) of the Act says WHERE TWO OR MORE PERSONS ASSOCIATE FOR THE PURPOSE OF OR WHERE AN ORGANIZATION ENGAGES IN -
(a) Participating or collaborating in terrorosm;
((b) Promoting encouraging or exhorting others to commit an act of terrorism; or
(c) setting up or pursuing acts of terrorism, THE JUDGE IN CHAMBERD MAY ON AN APPLICATION MADE BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER OR INSPECTOR GENERAL OF POLICE ON THE APPROVAL OF THE PRESIDENT DECLARE ANY ENTIRY TO VE A PROSCRIBED ORGANIZATION AND THE NOTICE SHALL BE PUBLISHED IN OFFICIAL GAZETTE.
Subsection (2) goes further to say such an order shall be published in the officual Gazette, two national newspapers and at such places as the Judge in chambers may decide.
Subsection (3) requires the application to be accompanied with relevant particulars as the Judge in chambers may specify.
These are the steps to take when prescribing an organization under the Anti Terrorism Prevention Act.
The question to ask is where these steps taken was there due process in doing a thing? If not, then...........
We are a country built on democratic principles lets try to ad her to those democratic principles and frown at illegalities

Please I am not holding brief for IPOB.

kendrick9:
well if these killings are perpetuated by herdsman, what do u call them?

TonyeBarcanista:

The group they called terrorist is "Fulani Militants" not Fulani Herdsmen... Unfortunately, there is no group in Nigeria that has called themselves "Fulani Militants" unlike IPOB and Boko Haram...

My topic clearly say "FULANI HERDSMEN" not Militants

freeze001:
E be like say APDA runs no too favour Tonye.. The sure cars of acceptance in Nigeria is veiled or outright antagonism of Igbos so why not?

He is quoting terrorism act but conveniently skips the procedure for declaring a group a terrorist one. Does the Army have the legal power to unilaterally declare any group as terrorists? Tonyebarcanista will support an outright illegality just to remain relevant. The same army in its statement on Thursday clearly pronounced that the group does not carry arms and then Friday declares it an armed terrorist group.

Op claims that MACBAN cannot be declared a terrorist group because the group does not support the murderous, terrorist activities of some of its members but their leader is on record explaining and justifying why they perpetrated attacks against innocent people yet that is not support.

Southerners that have sold their souls to the devil because of political gains will end up in the belly of the fish.

aolawale025:


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/global-terrorism-index-nigerian-fulani-militants-named-as-fourth-deadliest-terror-group-in-world-a6739851.html

DickDastardLION:
Lost Tonye toiling very hard to please and be allowed back into the mainstream.

aolawale025:


The riddle have been solved. The fulani militias are masquerading as herdsmen. And ought to be declared a terrorist group in Nigeria.

letusbepieces:


TONYEBARCANISTA IS THE PRESIDENT OF NAIRALAND.

HE COMES HERE TO PLAY LOCAL CHAIRMAN POLITICS AND SOLICIT FOR RELEVANCE.

FROM ACN TO APC AND DEN PDP, APDA BACK TO APC.

WEN BUHARI STARTS TO FALL, HE WILL CHANGE SIDES AGAIN.

RIGHT NOW, HE THINKS BUHARI IS INVISIBLE, E GO SOON CLEAR FOR HIM EYE.

TonyeBarcanista:

So if some police officers come together to perpetuate evil, will you proscribe the Nigeria police?

TonyeBarcanista:

If I masquerade as the son of your father and commit crime, should it then be attributed to your family?

TonyeBarcanista:

The Antiterrorism (Protection) Act vested power to declare a group as a terrorist organisation on the AGF. The question is has the AGF said anything contrary to the military? Do you have any evidence that the military did not seek advice of the AGF before declaring IPOB terrorists? When the government of Jonathan proscribed Boko Haram was it the then AGF that went to the media to do the announcement? Let us be properly guided

Please refer me to the statement where the Military tagged IPOB a nonviolent group

TonyeBarcanista:

Did Jonathan approach any court when he labelled BH terrorists? Are you saying it was illegal? Why not go to court then

TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista


Some people are against the labelling of Indigenous People of Biafra a terrorist group simply because the government is yet to do same for "suspected" Fulani herdsmen that have been causing havoc in parts of the country. But I disagree with such line of thought.

There is no need to be emotional about this subject, people should familiarise themselves with Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act to see what constitute terrorism, so as to properly appreciate the situation.

IPOB is a terrorist group when you consider the conducts and deeds of their leader Mr Nnamdi Kanu and the group itself and juxtapose them with what constitute terrorism according to the Act. Their conducts contravenes Section 2b and 2c of the Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act 2011.

That IPOB is classified a terrorist organisation does not in anyway justify the atrocities of the suspected herdsmen.

The problem with that of the suspected herdsmen is that the "herdsmen" is a term for people in the business of cattle rearing and you can't classify those in the line of business as terrorists, you can't even classify MACBAN/Miyetti Allah as such because the association itself does not "openly" support the evil act perpetrated by some of the members as alleged unlike IPOB. Some of them even argued that cattle rustlers not herdsmen are behind the evil attributed to them.

Also, you can't classify "Fulani" a terrorist group because Fulani is a tribe irrespective of the ethnic group of the alleged perpetrators of the heinous crime, same way Igbo wasn't classified terrorists but IPOB despite IPOB members being predominantly Igbo.

Personally, I classify suspected herdsmen that engage in killing of innocent Nigerians as "terrorists" masquerading as herdsmen but I refused to classify the herdsmen itself as terrorists as doing so would be unfair to law abiding people that are engaged in that line of business. Same way it is absolutely wrong for anybody to credit the irresponsible deeds of IPOB group to Igbo tribe or the entire Biafra apologists- we all know that there are thousands of Biafra apologists that doesn't subscribe to the IPOB ideology and it will be of great disservice to humanity and unfair to them to rope them in for what they neither subscribed to nor encouraged.

This is not a matter of sentiment let us be guided and embrace peaceful coexistence and even if "we" want out, there are legitimate and proper route to follow because self determination is the right of all.






May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria

TonyeBarcanista:
Can you read?