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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by Nobody: 2:38pm On Sep 18, 2017
What the hell is cacawa? undecided

Total bullshit! This matter would be fought straight up to the Supreme Court. The IPOB would not be labeled terrorists when Fulani herdsmen still move unhindered accross Nigeria.

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by FemiFimile: 2:39pm On Sep 18, 2017
omenka:
I'd wanna believe this is a poor attempt at sarcasm.

The in/house biggot have already pulled it down to cover up.

Murderers! wat a country.

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by Albion05: 2:40pm On Sep 18, 2017
Most times, some Nigerians tends to hide the Truth but not knowing that truth is the only thing that will set us free. Without fear or favour. The Declaration of the IPOB by the Army as a Terrorist group is null and void by law because due process was not followed. Going by Morals and Conscience, there is no way you will liking IPOB to BOKO HARAM as been the same. HERDSMEN and IPOB who is agitating the right thing for fairness, equity and justice yet herdsmen are not been declared as a Terrorist group. The actions of this Government is making people believe in what KANU is saying. The only solution to this whole problem is Dialogue. Because if we claim that we are one Nigerian what stops us from sitting together and solve our challenges as brothers and sisters as claimed. I believe in Nigeria but we must do the right thing at the right time.
Cacawa2:
In June 2013, Goodluck Ebele Jonathan proscribed Boko Haram as a terrorist Organisation. This, he did, without any recourse to the High Court as most people would expect; and reasonably so.

There are two sections in the TPA act that may be deployed into making such declarations: Section 2 and; Section 9.



The TPA act makes provision for the declaration of a group as being a Terrorist group on a number of grounds.

It is very easy to refer to[b] Section 2 of the act[/b] which makes provision for a process that involves judicial processes, procedures and pronouncement. Most applicable to local terrorism.

However [b]Section 9 of the act[/b]makes express approval for the executive arm to immediately declare a group as a Terrorist group. This is specifically in relation to international affiliations and sponsorship.

In the case of IPOB, there is reliable Intel available to the Nigerian Army suggesting the foreign links and backings of IPOB to certain international terrorism networks.

The move by the Nigerian Govt. is therefore in order and can only be upturned by any aggrieved person who takes the matter to a court of competent jurisdiction. In the mean time, the declaration remains in full force and anybody (either physically or over the internet), found to be soliciting for a terrorist group may be found culpable.

Let us be enlightened.

Regards,

CACAWA2


source: http://www.lawnigeria.com/LawsoftheFederation/Terrorism-(Prevention)-Act,-2011.html

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by ONYII4TRUT: 2:43pm On Sep 18, 2017
Lincoln275:
Most of us are just too brave on social media, you think war is all about pressing iPhone and other gadgets we use to promote war and violence on social media? Have you ever get stabbed or got into any serious street fight? can you even stab a goat? have you ever held a � in your life? you think you will have the opportunity to be facebook, twitter snap and others during war? You think you can still slay when there is war? And all the ballers, do you think Friday nights would still be the same? What will happen to all the cc top up, wire wire western union, moneygram and your iTunes cards? Do you think hunger is the same with fasting? If you have elders around you that can actually give you details of the biafran war honestly you will switch your attentions from violence to hustling hard, making good money and leaving a legacy behind for your unborn child. Youths pls don't get brainwashed by people that will eventually fly their families abroad when they use you to ignite war. ah don talk ma own oo. insult me or say whatever ever, I don't care but I promise you will remember my words one day. Biko- Dualla- Ejo make una think oo. #wakeupyouths #wakeupnigerians #ilovemycountry

GREAT ADVICE, BUT HOW LONG WILL THE INJUSTICE CONTINUE?

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by Nobody: 2:45pm On Sep 18, 2017
ONYII4TRUT:


GREAT ADVICE, BUT HOW LONG WILL THE INJUSTICE CONTINUE?

It must stop now, nonsense. I stand with the easterners on this!

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by Nobody: 2:46pm On Sep 18, 2017
Do not fall victim to the dangers of false narratives as it's clearly now seen on Nairaland.

Go through the act in full here http://www.lawnigeria.com/LawsoftheFederation/Terrorism-(Prevention)-(Amendment)-Act,-2013.html

Under Jonathan, the FG approached the Federal High Court, Abuja for the proscription of Boko Haram as a terrorist group;

" In compliance with the foregoing provisions, and particularly Section 2(1)(c), the Federal Government (under Fmr. President G.E. Jonathan) approached the Federal High Court in Suit No.FHC/ABJ/CS/368/2013 on 24/05/2013 for the declaration/proscription of the notorious Boko Haram. That was granted (per Kafarati J of Federal High Court No.2 Abuja) and Boko Haram was officially “proscribed” by the COURT on the APPLICATION of the then ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE FEDERATION. Not the Army or the Governors. Not in the Court of Public Opinion (Media) but in the Court of Law.

Consequent upon that proscription and in compliance with Section 9(4) & (7) of the Terrorism (Prevention) Act 2011, the Federal Government proceeded to Gazette same in Federal Republic of Nigeria Official Gazette No. 34, Volume 100.

That Gazette was successfully relied upon in the cases of Federal Republic of Nigeria v. Mustapha Fawaz & 4 Ors (Unreported Charge No. FHC/ABJ/CR/112/13 (a Judgment delivered on 29/11/2013 per Hon. Justice A.F.A. Ademola of Federal High Court No. 6 Abuja) and Federal Republic of Nigeria v. Murktar Ibrahim (Unreported Charge No:FHC ABJ/CR/178/2017) per Justice G.O. Kolawole (of the Federal High Court No. 5 Abuja) on 20/11/2015."

Read the full details here http://thenigerialawyer.com/neither-the-military-nor-governors-has-the-legal-vires-to-declareproscribe-any-organization-as-terrorist-group-in-nigeria/

You have the ability to criticize dialectic reasoning. Use it and not fall victim to those now comically lying through the teeth.

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by diegwu01: 2:46pm On Sep 18, 2017
Constitutional or Not, I dont think anyone would parade himself in Aba, Umuahia or Owerri calling himself IPOB member anytime soon.
Army dey Vex,
Police dey Vex

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by Nobody: 2:48pm On Sep 18, 2017
Have read all including a comment... Still notin have changed. May God help us all
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by mfm04622: 2:49pm On Sep 18, 2017
Hofbrauhaus:
angry

Illiterates now fault law makers.. The zoo cannot even obey her own constitution.


The terrorism Act, 2011 provides ground on which groups or persons can be classified or declared terrorists. See section 1 (1)(2)(a) and (b).
Secondly, to declare a group a terrorsit group and effectively proscribe it is an order only a judge pursuant to an application by the Attorney General of the Federation, can make. See section 2 (1)(c).

refer to section 9 he quoted or is section 9 not part of the law?
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by AntiWailer: 2:50pm On Sep 18, 2017
Nice one.
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by discusant: 2:52pm On Sep 18, 2017
Chai. Nigeria of dubious people now placing a self-declared violent Boko Haram on the same table with an IPOB which declared from beginning that it's not armed, and had not harmed anybody.



Wallahi, Eziokwu, the TAQQIYA of the KORAN that justifies telling lies is now deeply rooted in Nigeria.
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by reciprokal: 2:52pm On Sep 18, 2017
Cacawa2:
.

It is very easy to refer to[b] Section 2 of the act[/b] which makes provision for a process that involves judicial processes, procedures and pronouncement. Most applicable to local terrorism.

However [b]Section 9 of the act[/b]makes express approval for the executive arm to immediately declare a group as a Terrorist group. This is specifically in relation to international affiliations and sponsorship.

In the case of IPOB, there is reliable Intel available to the Nigerian Army suggesting the foreign links and backings of IPOB to certain international terrorism networks.


source: http://www.lawnigeria.com/LawsoftheFederation/Terrorism-(Prevention)-Act,-2011.html

Boko haram publicly declared its affiliation to ISIS. So there's a difference!

There has been no evidence or link suggesting iPob, who are peacefully demanding for secession, has any terrorist link beyond the madness reving in your head.

Again, when did the army become the executive arm of Government?
And you thought you made sense when you can't even relate what you just wrote to the activities of iPob.

I pity the future of this country with youth like you exhibiting severe cognitive handicap and chronic nescience.

Turns out our expired ruling class have a valid reason to still cling to power when youth like you have proven to be unable to be factual.

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by Nobody: 2:53pm On Sep 18, 2017
boostdom:
Do not fall victim to the dangers of false narratives as it's clearly now seen on Nairaland.

Go through the act in full here http://www.lawnigeria.com/LawsoftheFederation/Terrorism-(Prevention)-(Amendment)-Act,-2013.html

Under Jonathan, the FG approached the Federal High Court, Abuja for the proscription of Boko Haram as a terrorist group;

" In compliance with the foregoing provisions, and particularly Section 2(1)(c), the Federal Government (under Fmr. President G.E. Jonathan) approached the Federal High Court in Suit No.FHC/ABJ/CS/368/2013 on 24/05/2013 for the declaration/proscription of the notorious Boko Haram. That was granted (per Kafarati J of Federal High Court No.2 Abuja) and Boko Haram was officially “proscribed” by the COURT on the APPLICATION of the then ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE FEDERATION. Not the Army or the Governors. Not in the Court of Public Opinion (Media) but in the Court of Law.

Consequent upon that proscription and in compliance with Section 9(4) & (7) of the Terrorism (Prevention) Act 2011, the Federal Government proceeded to Gazette same in Federal Republic of Nigeria Official Gazette No. 34, Volume 100.

That Gazette was successfully relied upon in the cases of Federal Republic of Nigeria v. Mustapha Fawaz & 4 Ors (Unreported Charge No. FHC/ABJ/CR/112/13 (a Judgment delivered on 29/11/2013 per Hon. Justice A.F.A. Ademola of Federal High Court No. 6 Abuja) and Federal Republic of Nigeria v. Murktar Ibrahim (Unreported Charge No:FHC ABJ/CR/178/2017) per Justice G.O. Kolawole (of the Federal High Court No. 5 Abuja) on 20/11/2015."

Read the full details here http://thenigerialawyer.com/neither-the-military-nor-governors-has-the-legal-vires-to-declareproscribe-any-organization-as-terrorist-group-in-nigeria/

You have the ability to criticize dialectic reasoning. Use it and not fall victim to those now comically lying through the teeth.

God bless our Courts and Judicial Officers. We count on them to roll back the hands of injustice in this matter. grin

I will surely read the report in the link provided.

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by NaijaFutbol: 2:53pm On Sep 18, 2017
Section 9 say president can declare a person....not proscribe an organization


Did you even read it?

Lawyer 10kobo
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by paschu: 2:55pm On Sep 18, 2017
1. For Pete's sake, the quoted section of this crap said that:

President Goodluck Jonathan has formally approved the proscription of Boko Haram and authorized the gazetting of an order declaring the group’s activities as acts of terrorism.
It did not say that Jonathan just woke up one morning and issued the order.

2. The section 9 which the demented OP is ranting about was clearly about AN INDIVIDUAL who's proven to have links with an EXISTING international terror organization.

a) IPOB is NOT an individual or A PERSON. IPOB is a PEOPLE of a SPECIFIC geographic location.

b) Neither IPOB nor Nnamdi Kanu has ever been linked to any international terror group.

c) You guys should stop feeding Nigerians with falsehood.

I think Nairaland pushed this nonsense to the frontpage just to dilute the effect of Senate President's comment on the matter. You also did it to confuse the gullible Nairalanders. Otherwise, this crap should have had no spot on the front page.

#StopThisMadnessPlease


davodyguy:


You that do not lack of it, let's have your view.

Note if such view is poorer than that which is expressed herein, then you should be castrated
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by omomummy13: 2:55pm On Sep 18, 2017
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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by stanuplane(m): 3:01pm On Sep 18, 2017
UfuomaUN:
.Very intelligent lawyers like Falana et al have condemned Buhari's invasion of Umuahia as illegal, the Senate president- the very head of the arm of govt that makes the law have declared concured. The EU spoke with the same voice, and so have tens of well educated scholars with enviable portfolio interpreted the contents of section 217 and 271 of the Constitution. Why then should we give ear to a well known bigot armed with nothing but hate for everyone east of Ore and less than 50mb free data from MTN hardly enough to educate him through a simple internet search and intelligent arguments on YouTube. Your post is only on the front page cos nairaland generates traffic through trending controversies of which the most current is IPOB.

Can we just work on education in Nigeria so posts like this would be only heard in beer parlours and among fat old ladies planting corn somewhere in Zamfara in March
this should be the nairaland post of the year.

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by Bizibi(m): 3:03pm On Sep 18, 2017
Cacawa2:
well at least you have not called me an ewedu muslim.
grin grin
come and defend the nonsense u posted,it is too early to run na
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by greenguy: 3:04pm On Sep 18, 2017
CRAP.
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by AntiWailer: 3:05pm On Sep 18, 2017
ONYII4TRUT:


GREAT ADVICE, BUT HOW LONG WILL THE INJUSTICE CONTINUE?

What injustice precisely ?

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by maestroferddi: 3:05pm On Sep 18, 2017
Cacawa2:
well at least you have not called me an ewedu muslim.
grin grin
What an avenue to disseminate mediocrity!

So expended energy concocting this verbiage and somebody is giving it undue ventilation...?

Hopelessness all over the place...
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by NigelCundy: 3:09pm On Sep 18, 2017
Whoever moved this trash to front page?

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by OmoOshodi(m): 3:11pm On Sep 18, 2017
Cacawa2:
well at least you have not called me an ewedu muslim.
grin grin
your unborn children will surely reap whatever you sow today... Amen

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by kikake: 3:12pm On Sep 18, 2017
Cacawa2:
In June 2013, Goodluck Ebele Jonathan proscribed Boko Haram as a terrorist Organisation. This, he did, without any recourse to the High Court as most people would expect; and reasonably so.

There are two sections in the TPA act that may be deployed into making such declarations: Section 2 and; Section 9.



The TPA act makes provision for the declaration of a group as being a Terrorist group on a number of grounds.

It is very easy to refer to[b] Section 2 of the act[/b] which makes provision for a process that involves judicial processes, procedures and pronouncement. Most applicable to local terrorism.

However [b]Section 9 of the act[/b]makes express approval for the executive arm to immediately declare a group as a Terrorist group. This is specifically in relation to international affiliations and sponsorship.

In the case of IPOB, there is reliable Intel available to the Nigerian Army suggesting the foreign links and backings of IPOB to certain international terrorism networks.

The move by the Nigerian Govt. is therefore in order and can only be upturned by any aggrieved person who takes the matter to a court of competent jurisdiction. In the mean time, the declaration remains in full force and anybody (either physically or over the internet), found to be soliciting for a terrorist group may be found culpable.

Let us be enlightened.

Regards,

CACAWA2


source: http://www.lawnigeria.com/LawsoftheFederation/Terrorism-(Prevention)-Act,-2011.html

The word "APPROVED" is copiously displayed as backing for then President Jonathan before he could afford to approve to declare Boko Haram a terrorist organization.

(1) The word "APPROVED" did not back whoever declared IPOB a terrorist organization.

(2) There was no evidence to adduce regarding any foreign backers of IPOB before somebody in his wild imagination declared IPOB a terrorist organization.
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by ubisco: 3:13pm On Sep 18, 2017
PointZerom:
Must you people continue to deceive yourselves?. You said that GEJ was clueless yet every mistake he made your APC and Buhari will do the same. Pls you lots should cover your faces in shame.
true talk
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by PointZerom: 3:13pm On Sep 18, 2017
[quote author=omenka post=60583804][/quote]
Is that the Buhari's completed project in your state?.
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by kitaatita: 3:13pm On Sep 18, 2017
From the forgoing, I can say that IPOB activities fit the definition of terrorism. I can also say that the process in declaring the group as a terrorist organisation is inchoate. However, Saraki's statement is understandable. He is a leading opposition to Mr. Buhari's agenda and at the forefront of plans to destabilize the present administration. There should be a middle road to all these

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by UfuomaUN(m): 3:13pm On Sep 18, 2017
stanuplane:
this should be the nairaland post of the year.

Thanks. Just had to give him a piece of my mind
Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by Dare2Try(m): 3:17pm On Sep 18, 2017
nwabobo:


No wonder JAMB reduced cut off mark to 120

Epic, savage what more can I say, u just finish the dude

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by kikake: 3:18pm On Sep 18, 2017
kitaatita:
From the forgoing, I can say that IPOB activities fit the definition of terrorism. I can also say that the process in declaring the group as a terrorist organisation is inchoate. However, Saraki's statement is understandable. He is a leading opposition to Mr. Buhari's agenda and at the forefront of plans to destabilize the present administration. There should be a middle road to all these

Highlighted in blue.
If it was inchoate, as you observed, the process of declaring IPOB a terrorist organization; therefore the declaration is also inchoate. Any inchoate declaration stands null, void and of no effect.

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by I888(m): 3:19pm On Sep 18, 2017
omenka:
I'd wanna believe this is a poor attempt at sarcasm.
This is your second post I have seen on here and NONE addresses whether the OP is right or wrong, but you are here displaying a typical frivolous attempt that is only the trademark of someone that is working for a corrupt government at the expense of the masses.

Do you have a heart? Do you have blood flowing in your veins? Do you think you will remain at that position for ever? Do you realize someday, you have to make account for how you lived your life on earth before you die? Whatever we sow, we shall reap.

I am not surprised because you RARELY show sympathy for people of Benue that were killed in Agatu and I don't expect you to feel any for other people.... but one day, you will sit down and wished you had done better to improve the lives of people, you would wish you had fought for them.

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Re: Saraki Misfired: The Proscription Of IPOB Was Not Against The Law - CACAWA2 by LordAdam: 3:21pm On Sep 18, 2017
EmeeNaka:
The Section 2 you quoted is talking about Group while Section 9 talks about individual.
The declaration by Defence Headquaters is null and void

I don't blame the OP, I blame the useless mod that couldn't even point out the fallacy in the writeup before pushing the nonsense to front page.

Goes to show how pro-establishment NL really is.

-Lord

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