Paul, Halifax's a great place and so is the province!My ex girlfriend spent a year at the UCCB(University College of Cape Breton).Nice people,lovely scenery!Anyways thanks for your support!

Abuja will win, the amounts of projects set for abuja are immense, and if they are all completed and Abuja loses then it was rigged. Abuja by 2014 will be better than Halifax or Glasgow

And may I ask why this topic is in the politics section

This is another opportunity to misappropriate public funds. How did All Africa Games, Common Wealth Heads of Government meeting and Nigeria WYC 1999 benefit us?
Here is the math. NB PLC Ama Plant was built with $220 million dollars and it created thousands of jobs and it keeps on adding value to the economy. Hosting this lavish event is just for immediate gratification to our politicians. Enough of this mess.
Naija politicians are going to benefit more than Nigerians ok. Let's use that money to provide nutritional meals to every elementary school kid in Nigeria as President Clinton proposed. Let's use that money to set up vocational centres for restive youths in Niger Delta. The goose that lays the golden egg. Why pour more of Niger Delta’s money into Abuja when Bayelsa was just recently connected to NEPA's national grid.  This project is going to cost $500 million to $1 billion. It will never change the perception of  global businesses, because when they look for information they  go to their embassies.

People will come to Abuja and see what is going, more tourists will flock in. And Abuja 2003 did affect how Nigeria is potrayed globally, The Intertanional media that Abuja got before the event was fantastic, I remember watching it on CNN, and after the event the athletes were impressed with the facilities and everything. Two Broadcasting studios are being built so that our media doesn't sit back and let international media do all the covering-----. I think this project will be good. Adconline see it as an investment, just as your parents invested in your education Nigeria is investing in Abuja.

Dblock,
Investing that money in some of the programmes I listed will have more multiplier effect than Abuja 2014. Abuja has taken a lot from Nigeria. Let the money be used in other areas. In most countries, this project will be a private sector driven initiative. Seeing Nigeria on TV does change the perception of investors. There are risk assessment companies, data and embassies to get information from not on TV. I don’t know what you meant by athletes being happy, cos Obj and NLC were at logger heads, some Abuja 03 workers were not paid. It did not bring significant investment to Nigeria. If Abuja wants to host this event, it should generate the money from Abuja not from Nigerian treasury. We like to party when others are at work. We don’t like to apply common economic sense to our decision. Why would u spend millions of dollars on a project that does not have appreciative value? $500 millions for developmental projects Vs $ 500 millions for our politicians.

I don't believe this BID is political, it may be run by politicians and politicians may take al the funds, but his isn't political. I t simply a Bid

(1)In order to win the bid Infrastructural projects are being developed
(2) Abuja will have stable electricity by 2014
(3) The transport system will be first world
(4) The abuja airport will be world class
(5) Retail facilities will be in great numbers
(6) security won't be an issue
(7) Faciltiies will be improved


Yes, the money invested into Abuja could have being used for other things, but the thruth is Nigeria is not a two bilion dollar economy. Nigeria's are only enjoying around 15% of Nigeria's wealth, the money that is yet to be tapped is immense. The investment put into Abuja is probably less than 2% of Nigeria's wealth, and just cos Nigerians don't see the wealth doesn't mean that it doesn't there or that it is somewhere lese(Abuja). You make it seem as if Nigeria has 50 Naira and Nigeria is investing 45 Naira in Abuja, how much money do you think Nigeria has? More money can be made out of Abuja than money invested, that is the definition of an investment. Tourism is real buisness, it is not gambling, provide it is exploited properly and used properly money will be made. An good Example is Las Vegas, the amount of Money that Nevada makes out of hotels, casinos and other leisure facilties in Las Vegas is immense. It obvious;y takes money to develop such a city, but like Abuja money can be and will be made.

I prob igonred some of your statements, but I can't cover everything

Hosting Common Wealth Games cannot spur tourism in Nigeria. We need to do some things right like constant power, contract enforcement and security. Las Vegas does not even have any Pro Sports franchise, as a matter fact they just hosted an NBA all star for the first time, but it has always had a booming economy not because of sports.
I don’t know where we get the facts that investors are coming to invest during Common Wealth Games. Most of the people are going to be athletes not investors.

you're a tough one to crack

adconline:

This is another opportunity to misappropriate public funds. How did All Africa Games, Common Wealth Heads of Government meeting and Nigeria WYC 1999 benefit us?

I really want a break from all the "419 in nigeria" "beggers in the streets" (recent one on yahoo front page) reports that we get.
this will at least build our PR, image to an extent, and maybe encourage private sectors to come invest w/ us. lol
i'm tired of all the jungle tree climbing monkey riding image the west have of us nigerians.
benefits doesn't only come in material form


and from what I remember, the govt constructed the stadium in Abuja for the all africa games. and there are plans to build Abuja's infrastructure for this game. how's that a bad thing

why do you think there are other countries also competing to get the bid if there were no benefits involved? Even canada without adequate facilities (from what i heard) wants to win the bid.
why do we have to be the losers all the time It'll be a shame to lose to canada when we have superior facilities don't you think. what's the use of the facility anyways if there isn't going to be any use for it? it was build for stuff like this

we deserve this probably once in a lifetime chance.
when do we ever have the commonwealth games hosted in Africa? when do we ever have anything hosted in Africa?

Nigeria most likely won't be carrying all the cost anyways. probably not even half of the cost.

oh btway, i doubt the all africa games caused regular nigerians any financial burden. or did it cause the price of rice to increase?
we're just unpatriotic citizens that's all. we've lost hope in everything that I bet even if the govt were to start plans to build houses and give out jobs, we would still complain and doubt!!!!
and it's not our fault. our govt. have failed us many times. but i have the feeling they're doing some things right at this moment.

Most of the people are going to be athletes not investors.

not true

We need to do some things right like constant power, contract enforcement and security.

where will the govt get the initiative to do this things?
abuja2014 for example, provides the initiative for the govt to work on those things in abuja.

I think you've cracked him for me

_{I hope}

dblock, Im busy right now. I did not find last poster b4 you challenging . I will respond later.

This isn't about challenge. keep your ego in your pocket.
I'm only trying to persuade fellow nigerians to support Abuja2014.

what country are you supporting to host it? (I know it's not nigeria) canada or scotland?

Hee Hee

Quote from: adconline on February 26, 2007, 07:19 AM
This is another opportunity to misappropriate public funds. How did All Africa Games, Common Wealth Heads of Government meeting and Nigeria WYC 1999 benefit us?

I really want a break from all the "419 in nigeria" "beggers in the streets" (recent one on yahoo front page) reports that we get.
this will at least build our PR,  image to an extent, and maybe encourage private sectors to come invest w/ us. lol
i'm tired of all the jungle tree climbing monkey riding image the west have of us nigerians.
benefits doesn't only come in material form.
ANS: Why didn’t Common Wealth Heads of States, All African Games, WYC 1999  build our PR? How is the event going to put food on the table for these beggars? The reason why we have bad image is because of our backwardness. S/Africa has better PR than us. India has the highest number of poor and malnourished children in the world, but the press focuses more on their economic growth. I don’t know of any big event India has hosted in  a long while. China is just going to host Olympics. Pls don’t compare our facilities with that of S/Africa because Nigerians go to play in S/Africa with better infrastructure  Naija always wants to spend money. Let’s use that money  say $1 billion  Permanent Fund for investment  like the State of Alaska which sets aside  a quarter of oil revenues and royalties and leases for investment portfolio, then this portfolio pays out dividends to every Alaskan each year. We can use this fund to ameliorate the probelms in Naija Delta

and from what I remember, the govt constructed the stadium in Abuja for the all africa games. and there are plans to build Abuja's infrastructure for this game. how's that a bad thing  .


ANS: How many jobs did Abuja stadium create? All the stadia that were renovated or upgraded during WYC 1999 are not contributing any money to the national economy. Imagine those resources were used to  build a new city. Is Abuja the  only city we have in Naija?How much is that stadium conytributing to the national economy

why do you think there are other countries also competing to get the bid if there were no benefits involved? Even canada without adequate facilities (from what i heard) wants to win the bid.
why do we have to be the losers all the time   It'll be a shame to lose to canada when we have superior facilities don't you think. what's the use of the facility anyways if there isn't going to be any use for it? it was build for stuff like this.
ANS : Does Nigeria need to be compared with those countries? Besides those initiatives   are locally driven. Canada or Scotland may not spend their resources on the infrastructures. Their Feds may come for logistics and security.
we deserve this probably once in a lifetime chance.
when do we ever have the commonwealth games hosted in Africa? when do we ever have anything hosted in Africa?

Nigeria most likely won't be carrying all the cost anyways. probably not even half of the cost.

oh btway, i doubt the all africa games caused regular nigerians any financial burden. or did it cause the price of rice to increase?
ANS: because your government is not accountable and its not your money because you don’t pay taxes. No representation through taxation.
we're just unpatriotic citizens that's all. we've lost hope in everything that I bet even if the govt were to start plans to build houses and give out jobs, we would still complain and doubt!!!!
ANS: Isn’t the job of government to build houses for its citizenry. Misappropriation of public funds is no way near patriotism. What happened to economics 101. need Vs want, scale of preference. Nigeria needs jobs not another spending spree.
and it's not our fault. our govt. have failed us many times. but i have the feeling they're doing some things right at.

ANS: One step forward  and 5 steps backward.

Yes it would come to Nigeria because our major trouble OBJ would be in prison.

Adcoline------------way to go!Roger that!

@adconline

what point are you making? none.

There's a thread about lagos building roads and transportation, there were some Nigerians opposed to it.
even the subway/ rail project, there are nigerians opposed to it
There are some nigerians against the EFCC too.

the govt could decide to develop abuja (the national capital) and some people will oppose it. (that by itself is BACKWARDNESS, imo).


Nigeria won't turn into an economically stable nation overnight. small steps like this, in my opinion, are what causes the status quo to change.



@adcoline, Initiatives in Nigeria, are rarely very rarely locally driven. If they were, nigeria will be getting better everyday ( rather than the govt creating a plan projects only if Clinton is visiting or if we're "hosting "
Nigeria isn't really a full (not even half) democracy where the citizens substancially influence the govt. The govt we have weild pretty much ALL of the power and that's why they're so corrupt. there isn't an effective checks and balance system to challenge and charge them (only foreign pressure charges them. the EFCC most likely wouldn't have been created if not for the foreign complaints of 419 mail scammers) unlike more developed countries.

so even if abuja doesn't host the commonwealth games, the money that was supposed to go into hosting and developing Abuja has a possibility of ending up in some officials's foreign bank account. That's why we should jump at chances like this.

well, you've been paying taxes for how long? have those taxes been used to provide jobs? No, the govt just get bigger foreign bank accounts.
I didn't even realize there was a tax system in Nigeria. LOL

I wouldn't pay taxes if i were you and i'll gather a group of people to boycott taxes until at least something gets done. gather some money and form a public interest group to challenge the local/ state govt on the issue you're concerned with. especially unemployed people.

attacking abuja2014 is not the best way. we're only deterring progress if we keep opposing stuff like this.
we're supposed to channel our energies resourcefully.

If i was unemployed in Nigeria, i would start a abua2014 t-shirt business or something. lol j/k

alabiyemmy:

@adconline

what point are you making? none.

he's not trying to make a point.
he's trying to "challenge" me.

WesleyanA:

he's not trying to make a point.
he's trying to "challenge" me.

There's a thread about lagos building roads and transportation, lo and behold, I couldn't believe there were some Nigerians opposed to it.
even the subway/ rail project, there are nigerians opposed to it (for the dumbest reasons too)
There are some nigerians against the EFCC too.

the govt could decide to develop abuja (the national capital) and people like adconline will oppose it. (that's what BACKWARDNESS is all about) lol.


Nigeria won't turn into an economically stable nation overnight. small steps like this, in my opinion, are what causes the status quo to change.

Simple and to the point. Hard to argue with really. Bravo! Here's hoping Abuja gets the games.

By hosting Abuja 2014, the government cannot be in such an image mess as it is now. This way it will build all of Nigeria by Force!1 24hr power will be in Abuja [Already is anyways], Good transport infastructure and more hotels and shopping facilities, My brothers open your eyes, This is our chance to move forward!!

@ Weslyn
Someone whose house is on fire does not pursue rodents. Do you know the amount of bad press Niger delta wahala brings to Naija? The Govt does not want to deal with  this issue; instead they want to host games. I repeat athletes do not bring investments, but politicians and investors do. MTN, CELTEL,Heneiken and co did not come to Nigeria because we hosted any game. Government did some things favourable to them. The government must tackle security, power failure, contract laws etc before foreign investment can flourish. How many times do we need to host in order for us to understand that games do not bring tangible investments that would commensurate the funds expended on its organization? Your post is like a contradiction when you said that money would be misappropriated even if we did not host, so our politicians should have an easier of squandering our resources through common wealth games.




There's a thread about lagos building roads and transportation, there were some Nigerians opposed to it. 
even the subway/ rail project, there are nigerians opposed to it
There are some nigerians against the EFCC too.

the govt could decide to develop abuja (the national capital) and some people will oppose it. (that by itself is BACKWARDNESS, imo)


Nigeria won't turn into an economically stable nation overnight. small steps like this, in my opinion, are what causes the status quo to change.

ANS:  This will not turn the economy around? How many new hotels will be built by foreigners? Zero. How many new houses will be built by individuals - Very few. Govt will build a game vilage and award the buildings to Govt cronies. What's going to turn our economy around is inflow of capital not outflow of capital.



@adcoline, Initiatives in Nigeria, are rarely very rarely locally driven. If they were, nigeria will be getting better everyday (  rather than the govt creating a plan projects only if Clinton is visiting or if we're "hosting "
Nigeria isn't really a full (not even half) democracy where the citizens substancially influence the govt. The govt we have weild pretty much  ALL of the power and that's why they're so corrupt. there isn't an effective checks and balance system to challenge and charge them (only foreign pressure charges them. the EFCC most likely wouldn't have been created if not for the foreign complaints of 419 mail scammers) unlike more developed countries.

so even if abuja doesn't host the commonwealth games, the money that was supposed to go into hosting and developing Abuja has a possibility of ending up in some officials's foreign bank account. That's why we should jump at chances like this.

well, you've been paying taxes for how long? have those taxes been used to provide jobs? No, the govt just get bigger foreign bank accounts.
I didn't even realize there was a tax system in Nigeria. LOL

I wouldn't pay taxes if i were you and i'll gather a group of people to boycott taxes until at least something gets done. gather some money and form a public interest group to challenge the local/ state govt on the issue you're concerned with. especially unemployed people.

attacking abuja2014 is not the best way. we're only deterring progress if we keep opposing stuff like this.
we're supposed to channel our energies resourcefully.
ANS: We hosted WYC 1999, All African games, And Common Wealth Heads of States, all the job opportunities that were created by these events could  not be compared to jobs generated by AMA Brewery or MTN. So why spend our money on things that would not spur economic growth, but would rather benefit a handful of politicians in Abuja. 60% of contracts will be awarded to foreign companies= capital flight.

If i was unemployed in Nigeria, i would start a abua2014 t-shirt business or something. lol j/k

ANS: Imagine 1000 unemployed Nigerians selling T- Shirts? What happens to them after the games are over? Back to square one. Mind U  common wealth  is not a big crowd puller because they dont play soccer.  Man is an economic being and should not engage in any venture that does not give commensurate value.

@alabiyemmy

Why dont you take on my arguments like Weyselan did? Let's debate these issues not by saying that I was not making any point. Someone is not grasping what this thread is saying- not me

Adcoline not everyone can see the big picture always!No need expatiating!What good did the All African Games and the WYC in 1999 do apart from enriching those in power?We have no business with no Commonwealth Games,instead let's utilize the Billion dollars or more on power generation,HIV/AIDS treatment,investments in education or the provision of housing for the low income earners.These are cogent and pertinent issues.90% of our compatriots live on less than $1a day is that not shameful?Thus won't it be silly to go expend such amounts on a jamboree that would do nothing to ease the pain and suffering of the people?Let the games go elsewhere

Not another one

[size=16pt]Nigeria: Workers Jog for Abuja 2014 Bid[/size]



Daily Champion (Lagos)

February 28, 2007
Posted to the web February 28, 2007

Lagos

Saturday 24th February, 2007 witnessed a landmark event as Nigerian workers under the auspices of the Federation of Public Service Games (FEPSGA), trooped out in their thousands during the monthly keep fit, walking / jogging exercise in demonstration of support for Abuja 2014 bid.

Speaking during the event, President of FEPSGA, Sylvester Ikuejamoye said this month's edition of the keep fit exercise was dedicated to Nigeria's bid for the Commonwealth Games and primarily intended to align the total support of workers in the Ppublic Ssector to the Abuja bid.


The rally, which drew massive attendance of workers from various Federal /States ministries, parastatals, Aagencies as well the private sector also saw residents of Abuja turning out en-masse to participate in the exercise.

Members of the Bid Committee were led to the event by the Vice Chairman, Mr. Otaki Oyigbenu who is also the Permanent Secretary of the National Sports Commission,. Former Permanent Secretary Alhaji Babayo Shehu was also in attendance, among other committee members.

Secretary General of the Bid Committee Dr. Tijani Yusuf said the monthly jogging exercise was a veritable avenue to create awareness and sensitize Nigerians on Abuja bid. He commended FEPSGA for the gesture of support for the Bid. He stated that the awareness campaign would be taken to other parts of the country as well.

This is ridiculous, do you want me to paint you a picture of what Abuja 2014 will do to this country. New roads will be built, the power situation will be tackled and so on and so fort.

@phillipe
the haters don't live in abuja so they don't give a crap.
they'd rather see the money in a foreign account than let it build abuja's roads. lol

they most likely are allergic to sports and patriotism too.

_{sneezes on lewa}

_{benightedness? mo o gbo english}