agaugust:


No, you posted no source. The NN Catamarans are stealth guaranteed. South Africa has never seen such in your history
.

Uhm.....yes i did, but for you ill post it again.
www.northseaboats.com/x38_combat_i.htm#.VI9zltKUfIQ

GENERAL DESCRIPTION

The Combat Cat is a stepped-hull high-speed power catamaran design that offers sea-keeping, speed and safety in all operating conditions. It can be configured for military, law enforcement, diving and Search and Rescue (SAR) use, and is ideally suited for rapid response interception, amphibious deployment of commandos, counter-piracy, medical evacuations or regular patrol work.

For less cost and risk than other high value patrol or combat assets, it can provide striking power against critical targets, as well as protect inshore and off-shore resources and assets. It can also be equipped with enhanced features for special warfare operations.

A catamaran has distinct advantages over mono-hull craft, as the low draft allows them to operate in shallow water and river estuaries, and conduct beach landings. Its wide beam reduces rolling, and produces a stable level ride, that makes it easier to come alongside other vessels, and creates a superior arms platform with improved weapons accuracy.

The foredeck has a gun-well that provides 270 degree coverage for a GPMG, or a 40mm grenade launcher, and two large deck hatches ensure fast and direct access forward for amphibious assaults. The aft deck has space for 2 side mounted GPMG.

The cabin accommodates a Captain/Navigator, helmsman, engineer and gunner, and features forward facing windows, which increases the effective cabin space, and reduces glare and heat build-up in the cabin. Troops or passengers are accommodated in transport seats in the hulls.

The Combat Cat can be operated by a crew of 2 or 4, and is capable of carrying an additional 10 - 12 fully equipped troops. It can reach speeds of around 40 knots, using either twin inboard diesels or outboards. The inboard diesel model has large deck access hatches to the engines, and transom platforms for boarding and diving.

CONSTRUCTION

Built entirely from composite GRP with cored sandwich panels, utilising the vacuum resin infusion system. It incorporates vinylester resin and stitched multi-directional E glass and carbon fibre reinforcements and additional strengthening members. The closed-cell high density foam cores increase panel stiffness and reduce the weight usually associated with (solid) GRP boats. This offers great strength and robustness and maximises hull integrity in the event of a collision.

Composite vessels have proven to have lower operational, maintenance and life-cycle costs, and longer life spans than aluminium and steel vessels.

Henry120:

HAHAHAHAHAH i see what this is, its a small dinki toy crew supplier for you Homeland Integrated Offshore Services Limited (HIOSL) not even your navy.
www.damen.co.za/en/news/2014/02/hiosl-takes-delivery-of-a-damen-fcs-3307-patrol

agaugust:


Your pussy cat has 'force projection' into the Lion's den, welcome into your graveyard
.

And south africa might as well be on the moon for nigeria

This pretty much conclusivly proves who has the strongest military

jl115:

haha i agree, its may favorite too, although i think it might be a bit to pricey, and the fact its basically a frigate at 108m(longer than our Valours) so im not sure if its the right option, thus id rather go for the Gowind class or Avante 3000

Lurssen werf brah

Also, no Meko A100?

agaugust:


You need new eye glasses? The Nigerian photo shows 2 knee mortars, one with no tripod stand, it leaned on the other one with tripod stand and the stand is all set up as simply collapsible, does not need set up time.

The other knee mortar has NO tripod stand, it sits on the small base plate.

The problem is that you don't know mortars get hot after sustained firing, then your SANDF cannot fire any more, Nigeria has the option of quickly connecting the collapsible tripod stand in a matter of seconds and keep firing even when mortar gets hot.

Our own version is an improvement over your old school type.

You need to upgrade, you are stuck with an old world war II knee mortar design
.

So, this is what a delusional mind looks like?

Henry120:


Lol.......... indeed they are, indeed.

A random photo of some pilots now equals Gripen pilots.

You only got 8 qualified SAAF Gripen pilots. This is the fact.

The fact you can never prove

Paramount offering a whole new type of Gowind class OPV:
www.paramountgroup.biz/PDF/Naval-Systems/87m_gowind_leaflet.pdf

jl115:

Unfortunately i think an OPV project will be to complex at this stage to build from scratch without the help of a foreign company, thus a collaboration will be needed and the Ships will still be build by SAn companies, as for the IPV, their are really impressive locally made products on the market including Paramounts 42m Trimaran. Ill try to post more pics and info about the possible IPVs that might be acquired by SAN.

I cant remeber with whom they did it

But Paramount signed a deal with a foreign shipbuilder recently, it seems it is for Biro

Henry120:


You posted photos, yes, they proved nothing, yes.

Says the guy who allways wants photos?

Henry120:


Looking for shipyards for 17 years. Goodluck with that.

We only started looking when we deleased the RFI last year

Henry120:


Fact remains, you are getting nothing, and you posted no proof to show you have more than 8 Gripen pilots.

We will do so when you post proof that we obly have 8

patches689:


Lurssen werf brah

Also, no Meko A100?

The companies i added are those who expressed interest in offering an OPV for project Biro, as for the Meko100 im not sure if Blohm and Voss marketed it for project Biro, it will be extremely cool if they do.

patches689:


I cant remeber with whom they did it

But Paramount signed a deal with a foreign shipbuilder recently, it seems it is for Biro

Yes your right,they partnered up with DCNS the people who make the Gowind class OPV.I just found out about this a few min ago, i posted a link if you want to have a look, its obviously not the same as the normal Gowind as its in between the 1000ton and 2500ton class that DCNS currently offers for the Gowind.

agaugust:


Are you the one personally buying OPV for South Africa? Abeg show us official source....oh ! Wait....the OPV South Africa dreams to buy has NO NAME....because they will buy NOTHING.

Come to Lagos ask Naija navy to let you borrow 10 Stealth Combat Catamarans for free
.

Candidate shipyards have been known for quite some time

Henry120:


18 Gripen Air crew doesn't equal 18 Gripen Pilots.

Besides, even if we are to see this claim from your POV, 18 pilots (lower of course), 26 planes, 15 years, is this a number to be proud of?

18 Aircrew doesn't equal 18 pilots.

How many pilots were trained?
What are the number of navigators trained?

My answer.

8 pilots trained
10 navigators.

Why would we have more navigators than pilots?

We would we keep more planes operational than pilots?

Considering 14 Gripen are operational at any one time it means that we bave 14 pilots and 4 Navigators

Simple really

agaugust:


No, you posted no source. The NN Catamarans are stealth guaranteed. South Africa has never seen such in your history
.

Who says they are stealth?

Only you do

patches689:


Why would we have more navigators than pilots?

We would we keep more planes operational than pilots?

Considering 14 Gripen are operational at any one time it means that we bave 14 pilots and 4 Navigators

Simple really

Already told him exactly what youve just said, we only have 8 gripen 2 seaters why would we have 10 navigators.
Any way, what do you think of this as a replacement for our Namacurra class harbor patrol boats.
Paramounts 17m Sentinel

Main characteristic of Knee mortars is their approx 51mm calibre, it cuts down their size to knee level.

Design varies from country to country, below is a knee mortar designed to stand with collapsible tripod stand.

There is NO law that says a manufacturer must not innovate a simple light collapsible and easily detachable tripod stand that can fit into a thigh pouch.

Mortar gets hot after sustained fire, ow does the soldier keep holding it with a hand?

Below is a knee mortar or light mortar with a mini stand, small collapsible and removable stand
.

The Nigerian photo shows two knee mortars. See the arrows.

Arrow 1 with no tripod stand, it leaned on the other arrow 2 with tripod stand and the stand is all set up as simply collapsible, does not need set up time.

Arrow 1 knee mortar has NO tripod stand, it sits on the small base plate.

Arrow 3 is the detachable and collapsible tripod stand.

The problem is that you don't know mortars get hot after sustained firing, then your SANDF cannot fire any more, Nigeria has the option of quickly connecting the collapsible tripod stand in a matter of seconds and keep firing even when mortar gets hot.

Our own version is an improvement over your old school type.

You need to upgrade, you are stuck with an old world war II knee mortar design
.

MikeCZAR:


It has no missiles. All of them are expired.

Who told you ? Do you know manufacturers specs for Otomat missile life cycle?

Venezuela is still using and firing her own old time Otomat missiles in her navy's show of power. People though that because President Chavez was not showing naval power his Otomat missiles had expired, he proved the ignorant people wrong in 2008 and the same Otomats are still in service today 2014.


"A Venezuelan navy patrol boat fires an Otomat surface-to-surface missile during a military exercise off the coast of La Orchila island near Carcas airport June 6, 2008. Venezuela test-fired missiles in the Caribbean Sea on Friday in a display of military strength at a time of tense relations between Washington and leftist President Hugo Chavez. REUTERS/Jorge Silva (VENEZUELA) "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2027275/posts

Nigeria and Venezuela both received their last batch Otomat missiles in 1982.



Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 1990
Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 16 December 2014


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Italy
R: Nigeria
(25) Aspide BVRAAM (1977) 1982 (25) For MEKO-360 (Aradu) frigate
(25) Otomat-1 Anti-ship missile 1977 1980-1981 (25) For FPB-57 Type (Ekpe) FAC
(15) Otomat-1 Anti-ship missile (1977) 1982 (15) For 1 MEKO-360 (Aradu) frigate
(10) Aspide BVRAAM 1982 1983 (10) For MEKO-360 Type (Aradu) frigate

Venezuela (100) Aspide BVRAAM (1975) 1980-1982 (100) For use with Albatros SAM system on Lupo (Sucre) frigates
(100) Otomat-2 Anti-ship missile (1975) 1980-1982 (100) For Lupo (Sucre) frigates



Venezuela still fired the same 1982 Otomat in year 2008 and are still inservice today 2014....same with Nigeria, we still have deadly Otomat and Aspide missiles in service on NNS Aradu, if threat comes we will speed up the refit of our ship and use it .


Only a navy that want's to die quick assumes that his enemy's anti-ship missiles have expired. Quality missiles last up to 45 years in service

.

patches689:


And south africa might as well be on the moon for nigeria

This pretty much conclusivly proves who has the strongest military

What makes you strong? Sailing warships from home in delusional force projection voyage from which you will never return back hmoe alive to Simons town? That is suicide and not strength !

patches689:


Who says they are stealth?

Only you do

Manufacturer confirms it, y.ou are too d.ull to do research.

jl115:

Uhm.....yes i did, but for you ill post it again.
www.northseaboats.com/x38_combat_i.htm#.VI9zltKUfIQ

GENERAL DESCRIPTION

The Combat Cat is a stepped-hull high-speed power catamaran design that offers sea-keeping, speed and safety in all operating conditions. It can be configured for military, law enforcement, diving and Search and Rescue (SAR) use, and is ideally suited for rapid response interception, amphibious deployment of commandos, counter-piracy, medical evacuations or regular patrol work.

For less cost and risk than other high value patrol or combat assets, it can provide striking power against critical targets, as well as protect inshore and off-shore resources and assets. It can also be equipped with enhanced features for special warfare operations.

A catamaran has distinct advantages over mono-hull craft, as the low draft allows them to operate in shallow water and river estuaries, and conduct beach landings. Its wide beam reduces rolling, and produces a stable level ride, that makes it easier to come alongside other vessels, and creates a superior arms platform with improved weapons accuracy.

The foredeck has a gun-well that provides 270 degree coverage for a GPMG, or a 40mm grenade launcher, and two large deck hatches ensure fast and direct access forward for amphibious assaults. The aft deck has space for 2 side mounted GPMG.

The cabin accommodates a Captain/Navigator, helmsman, engineer and gunner, and features forward facing windows, which increases the effective cabin space, and reduces glare and heat build-up in the cabin. Troops or passengers are accommodated in transport seats in the hulls.

The Combat Cat can be operated by a crew of 2 or 4, and is capable of carrying an additional 10 - 12 fully equipped troops. It can reach speeds of around 40 knots, using either twin inboard diesels or outboards. The inboard diesel model has large deck access hatches to the engines, and transom platforms for boarding and diving.

CONSTRUCTION

Built entirely from composite GRP with cored sandwich panels, utilising the vacuum resin infusion system. It incorporates vinylester resin and stitched multi-directional E glass and carbon fibre reinforcements and additional strengthening members. The closed-cell high density foam cores increase panel stiffness and reduce the weight usually associated with (solid) GRP boats. This offers great strength and robustness and maximises hull integrity in the event of a collision.

Composite vessels have proven to have lower operational, maintenance and life-cycle costs, and longer life spans than aluminium and steel vessels.

Another victim of poor research skills in Shout Afrikaa. Let Nigerians help you as usual :

The Nigerian catamarans have MINIMUM RADAR SIGNATURE, the barest minimum to avoid detection by enemy radar

http://pdf.nauticexpo.com/pdf/northseaboats/x-38-power-catamaran/25886-6675.html

South Africa can only dream and never buy a stealth catamaran like Nigeria, and we can put missiles on them if we want !
.

agaugust:
Main characteristic of Knee mortars is their approx 51mm calibre, it cuts down their size to knee level.

Design varies from country to country, below is a knee mortar designed to stand with collapsible tripod stand.

There is NO law that says a manufacturer must not innovate a simple light collapsible and easily detachable tripod stand that can fit into a thigh pouch.

Mortar gets hot after sustained fire, ow does the soldier keep holding it with a hand?

Below is a knee mortar or light mortar with a mini stand, small collapsible and removable stand
.

Augustus you are wasting everyones time

agaugust:


Manufacturer confirms it, y.ou are too d.ull to do research.




Another victim of poor research skills in Shout Afrikaa. Let Nigerians help you as usual :

The Nigerian catamarans have MINIMUM RADAR SIGNATURE, the barest minimum to avoid detection by enemy radar

http://pdf.nauticexpo.com/pdf/northseaboats/x-38-power-catamaran/25886-6675.html

South Africa can only dream and never buy a stealth catamaran like Nigeria, and we can put missiles on them if we want !
.

So now we have gone from "stealth" to "minimum signature"

agaugust:
The Nigerian photo shows two knee mortars. See the arrows.

Arrow 1 with no tripod stand, it leaned on the other arrow 2 with tripod stand and the stand is all set up as simply collapsible, does not need set up time.

Arrow 1 knee mortar has NO tripod stand, it sits on the small base plate.

Arrow 3 is the detachable and collapsible tripod stand.

The problem is that you don't know mortars get hot after sustained firing, then your SANDF cannot fire any more, Nigeria has the option of quickly connecting the collapsible tripod stand in a matter of seconds and keep firing even when mortar gets hot.

Our own version is an improvement over your old school type.

You need to upgrade, you are stuck with an old world war II knee mortar design
.

The only army that needs upgrade is no one other than Nigerian army. SA is using modern mortars not the mortars with tripods where you will always have to run with bloody tripods everywhere you go.

Henry120:


8 qualified Gripen pilots.

Yet, you failed to take note of 25 fighter pilots on training. They qualified on 2009, done the training on the hawks and now few of them made it to the gripen.

ChukwuCantDie:
Like Henry says and I have said in the past "Irish airforce"

I also like how you all deliberately ignored my previous post about why all you South African zulu/xhosa boys are mentally ill.

Race obsession has blinded you. SA belong to all, black and white as stated on the preamble of the constitution of RSA.

agaugust:


Who told you ? Do you know manufacturers specs for Otomat missile life cycle?

Venezuela is still using and firing her own old time Otomat missiles in her navy's show of power. People though that because President Chavez was not showing naval power his Otomat missiles had expired, he proved the ignorant people wrong in 2008 and the same Otomats are still in service today 2014.


"A Venezuelan navy patrol boat fires an Otomat surface-to-surface missile during a military exercise off the coast of La Orchila island near Carcas airport June 6, 2008. Venezuela test-fired missiles in the Caribbean Sea on Friday in a display of military strength at a time of tense relations between Washington and leftist President Hugo Chavez. REUTERS/Jorge Silva (VENEZUELA) "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2027275/posts

Nigeria and Venezuela both received their last batch Otomat missiles in 1982.



Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 1990
Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 16 December 2014


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Italy
R: Nigeria
(25) Aspide BVRAAM (1977) 1982 (25) For MEKO-360 (Aradu) frigate
(25) Otomat-1 Anti-ship missile 1977 1980-1981 (25) For FPB-57 Type (Ekpe) FAC
(15) Otomat-1 Anti-ship missile (1977) 1982 (15) For 1 MEKO-360 (Aradu) frigate
(10) Aspide BVRAAM 1982 1983 (10) For MEKO-360 Type (Aradu) frigate

Venezuela (100) Aspide BVRAAM (1975) 1980-1982 (100) For use with Albatros SAM system on Lupo (Sucre) frigates
(100) Otomat-2 Anti-ship missile (1975) 1980-1982 (100) For Lupo (Sucre) frigates



Venezuela still fired the same 1982 Otomat in year 2008 and are still inservice today 2014....same with Nigeria, we still have deadly Otomat and Aspide missiles in service on NNS Aradu, if threat comes we will speed up the refit of our ship and use it .


Only a navy that want's to die quick assumes that his enemy's anti-ship missiles have expired. Quality missiles last up to 45 years in service

.

Your missiles are expired.


Show us how often Nigeria issues contracts for the manufacture to maintain any of your missiles.

agaugust:


In 1982 a naval jet with no single guided weapon was obsolete then, SkyHawk was obsolete. The modern Argentine jet was the 1982 Super Etendard that sank warships and escaped at will
.

The fact that it didn't have radar doesn't mean it was obsolete. It wasn't in 1982.

At will? Then why didn't it sink the entire task force.

agaugust:


You need new eye glasses? The Nigerian photo shows 2 knee mortars, one with no tripod stand, it leaned on the other one with tripod stand and the stand is all set up as simply collapsible, does not need set up time.

The other knee mortar has NO tripod stand, it sits on the small base plate.

The problem is that you don't know mortars get hot after sustained firing, then your SANDF cannot fire any more, Nigeria has the option of quickly connecting the collapsible tripod stand in a matter of seconds and keep firing even when mortar gets hot.

Our own version is an improvement over your old school type.

You need to upgrade, you are stuck with an old world war II knee mortar design
.

It has a tripod that means it isn't in the same class. Also keep in mind the USA also uses a 60mm mortar similar to ours.

The SANDF still has two 60mm mortars with tripods.

One being the newer M6 long range mortar system. Comes with laser range finders, IR cameras and computers. Able to put bombs 6km away.

agaugust:


Show me proof that it expired, the Latin Americans are still firing their own....and expired missiles are usually removed, Nigeria didn't remove it, same with the Latino navy
.

In Nigeria nothing is removed.

That's because they have money to support and maintain them this isn't the case with Nigeria. Your missiles expired during the sanctions era, as you couldn't maintain them.

Henry120:


They aren't.

Post pictures of both then.