Patchesagain:

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You know that we make all of those things?

The only exception being robots... and your "robot" is absolute trash... more akin to a high school science fair project than something that is actually usefull.

Yes, you are completely and utter inferior in every measurable way.

[/s] when will this plain _idiot be healed of the malady if inferiority complex?

Patchesagain:


You know that we make all of those things?

The only exception being robots... and your "robot" is absolute trash... more akin to a high school science fair project than something that is actually usefull.

Yes, you are completely and utter inferior in every measurable way.

Robots are being made by pupils in Mzansi. Fact!!

Denel wins a major contract in the middle East.


http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/denel-wins-major-vehicle-contract-from-middle-east-2015-11-09

Msauza:
Denel wins a major contract in the middle East.


http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/denel-wins-major-vehicle-contract-from-middle-east-2015-11-09

SA defence industry is mostly MRAP business. Nothing special.

Patchesagain:


1. Tell that to the Paramount group who just sold one to Nigeria

2. Their ATGMs are not as advanced as ours, so yes, BIG DEAL

3. Denel makes them, Denel sells them therefore we sold them to Brazil. Deal with it

4. HMD's were sold to France.

5. Thats why he said "possibly"

6. Yes, we sold the Umbani to South Korea

Weird that it is "not South African" yet its all designed and sold in South Africa and listed under South African exports on SIPRI

No single citation.....into the garbage bin it goes.....you posted rubbish
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Patchesagain:


[size=13pt]"Its ok that our defence industry is sh1t because its 100% black sh1t"

So you say that our firms are owned by Europeans.

But you are also saying that BEE laws requires that these firms have MAJORITY South African ownership?

Which is it? One statement is false... which one? [/size]

[size=13pt] Since all you South Africans are too dull to interpret your own country's business law, we Nigerians did it for you yesterday.

South African over-hyped, so called 'advanced defense industry' is 90% European owned companies exporting technical manpower, hardware, software, spare parts, factory production machinery, engineers, technicians, etc massively into South Africa into companies that have been formed as South African based foreign branches, which South African BEE law compels to sell shares to black Southie block-headed dullards and change the company names to include South Africa's name.

The ANC Southie law forces this share sales as a condition for government patronage and contracts, otherwise SANDF will NOT buy anything from those European companies and their businesses will collapse and die.

That law allows the Europeans to control the technology and manufacturing, while South Africa's incompetent BEE managers and directors control administration with their shareholdings.

http://www.uhy.com/wp-content/uploads/Doing-Business-in-South-Africa.pdf

European owners in the head offices of the parent companies in Europe still have the power to pull out of South Africa if they wish, then the so called defence industry of South Africa will collpase and be reduced to mere MRAP manufacturing majorly.

In accounting and finance, it is what we call foreign subsidiary with majority or minority shareholding interest.

If the Europeans pull out, South African defence industry will collapse, they own you !

Now Exposed : South African defence industry is 90% European companies foreign branches ! [/size]






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agaugust:


[size=13pt] [s]Since all you South Africans are too dull to interpret your own country's business law, we Nigerians did it for you yesterday.

South African over-hyped, so called 'advanced defense industry' is 90% European owned companies exporting technical manpower, hardware, software, spare parts, factory production machinery, engineers, technicians, etc massively into South Africa into companies that have been formed as South African based foreign branches, which South African BEE law compels to sell shares to black Southie block-headed dullards and change the company names to include South Africa's name.

The ANC Southie law forces this share sales as a condition for government patronage and contracts, otherwise SANDF will NOT buy anything from those European companies and their businesses will collapse and die.

That law allows the Europeans to control the technology and manufacturing, while South Africa's incompetent BEE managers and directors control administration with their shareholdings.

http://www.uhy.com/wp-content/uploads/Doing-Business-in-South-Africa.pdf

European owners in the head offices of the parent companies in Europe still have the power to pull out of South Africa if they wish, then the so called defence industry of South Africa will collpase and be reduced to mere MRAP manufacturing majorly.

In accounting and finance, it is what we call foreign subsidiary with majority or minority shareholding interest.

Now Exposed : South African defence industry is 90% European companies foreign branches ! [/s] [/size]




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[size=15pt]It does not say that anywhere in the link you have posted

Yet again you are trying (pathetically) to make excuses for why YOUR country has a FAILURE of a defence industry

You are basically saying:
1. European companies open branches in South Africa at huge cost
2. Sell most of their shares to South Africans at a huge loss (even though the law doesnt say they must)
3. Import technicians and technology at great cost
4. So they can export products overseas?

Does this sound like a good buisness model to you? Why did they not stay in Europe?[/size]

agaugust:


No single citation.....into the garbage bin it goes.....you posted rubbish
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1. Paramount group sale to Nigerian customer
http://www.paramountgroup.biz/en/home/21-news-home/643-phakisa-floats-hope-for-shipyards-bdlive.html

2. Which of their ATGMs is as advanced as ours?

3. Picture

4. Cobra HMD is mainly a product of Carl Zeiss South Africa (formerly a Denel Division)
http://www.southafrica.info/business/investing/denel-150307.htm#.VkdXTfkrLcc

5. Korean contract is in final stage
http://www.janes.com/article/50940/denel-south-korea-in-talks-to-integrate-al-tariq-bomb-kit-on-fa-50s

augubug

you should probably go defend yourself in the other forum

your got ra.ped

agaugust:


[size=13pt] Since all you South Africans are too dull to interpret your own country's business law, we Nigerians did it for you yesterday.

South African over-hyped, so called 'advanced defense industry' is 90% European owned companies exporting technical manpower, hardware, software, spare parts, factory production machinery, engineers, technicians, etc massively into South Africa into companies that have been formed as South African based foreign branches, which South African BEE law compels to sell shares to black Southie block-headed dullards and change the company names to include South Africa's name.

The ANC Southie law forces this share sales as a condition for government patronage and contracts, otherwise SANDF will NOT buy anything from those European companies and their businesses will collapse and die.

That law allows the Europeans to control the technology and manufacturing, while South Africa's incompetent BEE managers and directors control administration with their shareholdings.

http://www.uhy.com/wp-content/uploads/Doing-Business-in-South-Africa.pdf

European owners in the head offices of the parent companies in Europe still have the power to pull out of South Africa if they wish, then the so called defence industry of South Africa will collpase and be reduced to mere MRAP manufacturing majorly.

In accounting and finance, it is what we call foreign subsidiary with majority or minority shareholding interest.

Now Exposed : South African defence industry is 90% European companies foreign branches ! [/size]




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Stop misleading people with your propaganda.

All SA based defence industries which have partly or dominating shares of European partnership have all started as South African companies. Later as times go on, large European defence cooperates started showing interests in those companies and ended up either buying 51% or 60% shares of such companies. Examples of such partnership will follow.

Thales bought controlling shares from Thales defence system from SOUTH AFRICA. A company which was established in 1967.

Msauza:



Stop misleading people with your propaganda.

All SA based defence industries which have partly or dominating shares of European partnership have all started as South African companies. Later as times go on, large European defence cooperates started showing interests in those companies and ended up either buying 51% or 60% shares of such companies. Examples of such partnership will follow.

Augubug does not understand what globalization is.

He does not understand that we have products that Europeans know will make them money.

He does not understand that they want to make money selling them.

Patchesagain:


Augubug does not understand what globalization is.

He does not understand that we have products that Europeans know will make them money.

He does not understand that they want to make money selling them.

Europeans OWN 90% your over-hyped South African defence industry....Southies build almost NOTHING !

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agaugust:


Europeans OWN 90% your over-hyped South African defence industry....Southies build almost NOTHING !

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That is completely wrong. Foreign owned defence industries in South Africa make only 20%.



BAE has left the shores of South Africa after Denel bought its shares out.

Rheinmetall is only in partnership with Denel to produce shells and bombs both in Cape and Potchefstroom. They do not have 100% owned company in South Africa.

agaugust:


Europeans OWN 90% your over-hyped South African defence industry....Southies build almost NOTHING !

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Rheinmetall Denel Munition (Pty) Ltd (RDM) is jointly owned by Rheinmetall Waffe Munition GmbH (51%) of Germany and Denel (Pty) Ltd. South Africa.
http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/company/divisions_and_subsidiaries/rheinmetall_denel_munition/index.php

We build nothing? What then did Rheinmetall then buy?

They bought nothing?

Again, pathetic attempt to get us to forget that Nigeria has LITERALLY BUILT NOTHING

DENEL WHICH PRODUCES MOST (70%)WEAPONS IN SOUTH AFRICA IS 100% PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN OWNED COMPANY.

Agaust is truly insane by suggesting that these over 100 South African industries is 90% owned by Europe. I beg to differ.

http://www.asdsource.com/source_advancesearch2.asp?Country=South%20Africa

European giants only bought existing few South African companies and not even 100% mainly bought controlling 51% shares.

Msauza:
DENEL WHICH PRODUCES MOST (70%)WEAPONS IN SOUTH AFRICA IS 100% PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN OWNED COMPANY.

Most of DENEL production is Rifles and MRAPs...LOL...DICON Nigeria produces rifles too, and NA Engrs produce APC, Proforce building our MRAP.

So where is all your so called indegenous South African Hi-Tech stuff? Plenty of European owned equipment, radars, advanced ammunition, electronics and optronics, Brazilian missile technology transfer, Finland's Badger IFV tech transfer....

90% of South African defence industry is OWNED by EUROPEAN COMPANIES ! Fact !!!

South African claims of owning advanced defence industry is FAKE !
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agaugust:


Most of DENEL production is Rifles and MRAPs...LOL...DICON Nigeria produces rifles too, and NA Engrs produce APC, Proforce building our MRAP.

So where is all your so called indegenous South African Hi-Tech stuff? Plenty of European owned equipment, radars, advanced ammunition, electronics and optronics, Brazilian missile technology transfer, Finland's Badger IFV tech transfer....

90% of South African defence industry is OWNED by EUROPEAN COMPANIES ! Fact !!!

South African claims of owning advanced defence industry is FAKE !
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You are truly insane.

South African indigenous company springbok is helping Nigeria to produce MRAP. How pathetic!!!


South Africa has more than 100 big defence industries majority of whom are indigenous.

http://www.asdsource.com/source_advancesearch2.asp?Country=South%20Africa

Denel cannot be compared to Dicon. The Dicon is dead. Denel produces Missiles, Bombs, Guided Munitions, MRAPS, Artillery Guns, Heavy Machine guns, etc. Dicon cannot produce any of those. Let us tell the truth and spare ourselves from lies.

agaugust:


[s] Most of DENEL production is Rifles and MRAPs...LOL...DICON Nigeria produces rifles too, and NA Engrs produce APC, Proforce building our MRAP.

So where is all your so called indegenous South African Hi-Tech stuff? Plenty of European owned equipment, radars, advanced ammunition, electronics and optronics, Brazilian missile technology transfer, Finland's Badger IFV tech transfer....

90% of South African defence industry is OWNED by EUROPEAN COMPANIES ! Fact !!!

South African claims of owning advanced defence industry is FAKE !
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[/s]

All this amount to garbage, there is nothing that foreigners produce from SA defence industry. All those European companies bought existing South African companies which were already actively in service manufacturing their products. BAE, SAAB and Thales all bought SA companies which were actively in business producing their weapons. They merely bought those companies because they were their competitors. That's all.

IN ONE SIMPLE SENTENCE:

EUROPEAN COMPANIES INVEST ON EXISTING SOUTH AFRICAN COMPANIES BECAUSE THEY SEE POTENTIAL IN SOUTH AFRICAN DEFENCE INDUSTRY.

FACT!!!!!

FighterPilot:
[/s]

All this amount to garbage, there is nothing that foreigners produce from SA defence industry. All those European companies bought existing South African companies which were already actively in service manufacturing their products. BAE, SAAB and Thales all bought SA companies which were actively in business producing their weapons. They merely bought those companies because they were their competitors. That's all.

Nope, the European defense companies opened foreign branches in South Africa and produce European weapons on your soil, they call the products local South African names to colour and mask them as South African made so that your BEE obsessed ANC government can buy those weapons for SANDF and deceive yourselves and the outside world that the products are proudly South African....but they are 100% European technology.

Same thing happens with the claims, fake claims that South Africa produces Toyota, Nissan, BMW and therefore those cars are proudly South African.....Fools, liars, frauds, Japan owns Toyota and Nissan, Germany owns BMW....Same way Britain, France and Germany owns 90% of South Africa's high tech defense industry. FACT !!
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agaugust:


SA defence industry is mostly MRAP business. Nothing special.

Something not even Nigeria can manage to do

agaugust:


Europeans OWN 90% your over-hyped South African defence industry....Southies build almost NOTHING !

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Where does it say that they own 90% of it?

Where?

agaugust:


[s]Most of DENEL production is Rifles and MRAPs...LOL...DICON Nigeria produces rifles too, and NA Engrs produce APC, Proforce building our MRAP.

So where is all your so called indegenous South African Hi-Tech stuff? Plenty of European owned equipment, radars, advanced ammunition, electronics and optronics, Brazilian missile technology transfer, Finland's Badger IFV tech transfer....

90% of South African defence industry is OWNED by EUROPEAN COMPANIES ! Fact !!!

South African claims of owning advanced defence industry is FAKE ![/s]
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Citations please

agaugust:


[s]Nope, the European defense companies opened foreign branches in South Africa and produce European weapons on your soil, they call the products local South African names to colour and mask them as South African made so that your BEE obsessed ANC government can buy those weapons for SANDF and deceive yourselves and the outside world that the products are proudly South African....but they are 100% European technology.

Same thing happens with the claims, fake claims that South Africa produces Toyota, Nissan, BMW[/s]

Are you being serious?

This is your argument?

Not even worth responding to. New levels of patheticness reached in an attempt to mask the failures of Nigeria to develop an indigenous defence industry

Patchesagain:


Something not even Nigeria can manage to do

MRAP is easy to build, even Namibia builds MRAP.

Nigeria is building our own MRAP at Proforce industries.....see....

Patchesagain:


Are you being serious?

This is your argument?

Not even worth responding to. New levels of patheticness reached in an attempt to mask the failures of Nigeria to develop an indigenous defence industry

Nigeria has a better indigenous defence industry, we don`t claim European products as our own like you Southies fraudulently do.

DICON builds our infantry hardware, PROFORCE builds armoured vehicles and armoured gunboats, BADEH AEROSPACE builds world class drones for us, Nigerian army engineers build our armoured vehicles, Nigerian air force engineers build our jet fighter rocket munitions and robots, Nigerian air force engineers are developing our light aircraft, Nigerian army engineers build our Spy Balloons....something South African indigenous defence industry has not achieved as you still wait for an European company to open branch in your country to do that for you.

Nigerian defence industry is proudly Nigerian. South African defence industry is proudly European owned
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Patchesagain:


Where does it say that they own 90% of it?

Where?

South African defense industry minus Thales minus Rheinmetall minus BAE = Rifle and MRAP industry
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agaugust:


MRAP is easy to build, even Namibia builds MRAP.

Nigeria is building our own MRAP at Proforce industries.....see....

Its easy to build?

We have been building them since the 1970's... why today 2015 do you not have one yet?

agaugust:


[s]Nigeria has a better indigenous defence industry, we don`t claim European products as our own like you Southies fraudulently do.

DICON builds our infantry hardware, PROFORCE builds armoured vehicles and armoured gunboats, BADEH AEROSPACE builds world class drones for us, Nigerian army engineers build our armoured vehicles, Nigerian air force engineers build our jet fighter rocket munitions and robots, Nigerian air force engineers are developing our light aircraft, Nigerian army engineers build our Spy Balloons....something South African indigenous defence industry has not achieved as you still wait for an European company to open branch in your country to do that for you.

Nigerian defence industry is proudly Nigerian. South African defence industry is proudly European owned[/s]
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hahahahaha

Are you being serious?

This is a new level of mental gymnastics.

But hey, its the same old argument you have been making "Its ok that we are sh1t, because we are 100% Nigerian sh1t"

And FYI - those European companies PURCHASED EXISTING SOUTH AFRICAN COMPANIES.

You are inferior, deal with it

agaugust:


South African defense industry minus Thales minus Rheinmetall minus BAE = Rifle and MRAP industry
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You mean minus the companies that were so desperate for South African tech and expertise that they purchased South African companies?

We own BAE now, by the way.

So without those companies we dont build drones, artillery, SAM's, ATGM's, AAMs, IFV's, AFV's, MRLS?