agaugust:


Nothing was disproven.

30 battalions of SANDF troops are HIV sick and weak. Fact !!!

How did you come to the number of 30 battalions?

agaugust:


You are the one telling lies, I posted proof of medical tests done in South Africa. I posted facts.

Now, you stop lying !

What will you do when I quote where we proved you wrong?

agaugust:


[s]What? SANDF or SADF has never won any war victory fighting alone in all your military history in the past 100 years.

SANDF has NEVER dployed more than 4,000 troops into any war in the last 70 years.

Your army has not fought any war alone in the past 100 years.

Tanzania commanded your army as your boss for 2 years in Congo DRC.

SANDF = Burundi Army .[/s]

1. Why does it matter if we fight alone or not? if we dont usually fight alone why would we start now?

2. Because with only 4K men we can bring 60 000 Cubans to their knees

3. And the UN was so impressed with us that they made us the commanders of the whole of MONUSCO! We are the boss of the whole of MONUSCO! We are the boss of all 60 countries!

Thiza:
SANDF AND WHO ELSE

thiza ur last picture of the sniper is not a south African sniper.......the camo and sniper riffle tells otherwise!!!!!!!
I think that sniper in the picture is wearing a British camo and the weapon he carries looks like a winchester sniper riffle variant/series.....

For those who dont follow the pic thread....Frumentius's pics of Rooivalk from a bit of a while back. Denel hinting at A Darter missile/Rooivalk combo. Incase one gets shot down (one has been hit by small arms in DRC) pilot and WSO are decently armed.

Thiza:
SANDF

your presidential jet or something?

patches689:


1. Why does it matter if we fight alone or not? if we dont usually fight alone why would we start now?

2. Because with only 4K men we can bring 60 000 Cubans to their knees

3. And the UN was so impressed with us that they made us the commanders of the whole of MONUSCO! We are the boss of the whole of MONUSCO! We are the boss of all 60 countries!

1. Thanks for admitting that SANDF lacks capability to fight war alone.

2. About 60,000 UNITA troops led the fight against Cuba, they led SADF 4,000 men and saved them from beign overwhelmed by Cuban army. 90% of Angolan bush war was fought by UNITA rebels who remained in the fight after SADF ran away in 1991 by asking UN to help negotiate peace with Cuba. History makes us know all this, SANDF is a weakling and a fluke !!!

3. Tanzania finished off M23 war, South Africa is appointed to oversee civilian elections 2016 in Congo. Time for combat, UN calls Tanzanian army general, time for peaceful democratic elections UN calls South African army general. Why did UN not make SANDF head of its fighting brigade called FIB ? You should be ashamed of your two year studentship under Tanzania
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agaugust:


1. Thanks for admitting that SANDF lacks capability to fight war alone.

2. About 60,000 UNITA troops led the fight against Cuba, they led SADF 4,000 men and saved them from beign overwhelmed by Cuban army. 90% of Angolan bush war was fought by UNITA rebels who remained in the fight after SADF ran away in 1991 by asking UN to help negotiate peace with Cuba. History makes us know all this, SANDF is a weakling and a fluke !!!

3. Tanzania finished off M23 war, South Africa is appointed to oversee civilian elections 2016 in Congo. Time for combat, UN calls Tanzanian army general, time for peaceful democratic elections UN calls South African army general. Why did UN not make SANDF head of its fighting brigade called FIB ? You should be ashamed of your two year studentship under Tanzania
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1. Who said we lack the capability to fight alone? Only a fool fights alone when he could fight with allies.

2. Yes, 90% except for the 36 major battles fought by the SADF. We met all objectives in Angola: The demilitarization of PLAN and the withdrawal of the Cubans

3. So you are saying the fighting in Congo is over? No more combat?

Desperation at its finest.

patches689:


1. Who said we lack the capability to fight alone? Only a fool fights alone when he could fight with allies.

2. Yes, 90% except for the 36 major battles fought by the SADF. We met all objectives in Angola: The demilitarization of PLAN and the withdrawal of the Cubans

3. So you are saying the fighting in Congo is over? No more combat?

Desperation at its finest.

1. Nigeria fought Biafra war alone, Niger Delta war alone, NA, NN, NAF, fought alone and won ALL these wars.....only fools think war cannot be fought alone by one nation. Everybody is not like South African military that always needs help.


SADF and SANDF have NEVER fought any war alone in 100 years and NEVER won any war fighting alone.


2. Cuba stopped beating up SADF when your country ran to United Nations for help to organize peace negotiations. After UN stopped Cuba by peace talks requested by South Africa, SADF ran away from Angola and left UNITA rebels your strong allies that saved you, to continue the war all alone against Angolan military for decades. SADF ran away from Cuba in 1991, SANDF ran away in repeat mode, away from Seleka in 2013. South Africa's military habit of cowardly running away from a war is legendary.


3. Congo DRC is now peaceful enough for political elections, M23 rebel army was the obstacle and Tanzanian army has removed it by leading UN in war. Today, Congo DRC is not seen as a serious war zone, one small attack in 6 months is not a war. Go ask AU & AMISOM the true meaning of real war in Somalia.

Nobody or organization will ever ask SANDF to lead a regularly fighting mission like Somalia crisis. AU and UN knows the poor military history of South African armed forces. El Shabbab terrorists will eat up SANDF for daily breakfast, lunch and dinner.

I hate terrorists videos , but I will use this just for the sake of example to show where there is real war in Africa. I hate seeing terrorist videos. May God punish El Shabbab in hëllfïrë, Amen !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY-kkb7xFkU
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ssaengine:
For those who dont follow the pic thread....Frumentius's pics of Rooivalk from a bit of a while back. Denel hinting at A Darter missile/Rooivalk combo. Incase one gets shot down (one has been hit by small arms in DRC) pilot and WSO are decently armed.

Rooivalk has not seen real WAR, it only saw 2 to 3 combat missions of about 7 minutes each, so in about 20 years the Rooivalk has about 20 minutes of combat history against local rebels that have no radar and no missile, not even a 35mm AAA, not even an old Shilka, not even an old SA-7 MANPAD.....rebel tested Rooivalk

Nobody will pay $40 million for that untested REBEL-WORTHY helicopter, even Brazil your friend chose Mi-35 Hind instead of the worthless Rooivalk. Now Denel wants to put A-Darter missile on a helo that has no radar to find and lock enemy aircraft. The Rooivalk pilot will be popping his eyes out of the window to search for enemy aircraft....LOL...I pray he meets an F-7 jet so he can have his obituary published the next day in a Soweto newspaper
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ssaengine:
Random info....look out for Denel's biggest contract ever this year. Bigger than Badger. Wont say which division or who the customer is, but will be considered a type of coup, considering who the customer usually buys equipment from.

Nothing but sales of ordinary shells for use on artillery. Likely an export sale to an Asian or Arab country like UAE/Dubai, etc.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-42107/

agaugust:


1. Nigeria fought Biafra war alone, Niger Delta war alone, NA, NN, NAF, fought alone and won ALL these wars.....only fools think war cannot be fought alone by one nation. Everybody is not like South African military that always needs help.

- Biafra war: low tech war against rag tag rebels with no real heavy weapons or air power

- Niger Delta war: low tech war against rag tag rebels, only ended when you let the rebel leader (GLJ) into government

No one cares about tiny pathetic and disorganized wars.... we fought the most advanced war in SSA and one of the biggest and longest

agaugust:

SADF and SANDF have NEVER fought any war alone in 100 years and NEVER won any war fighting alone.

Neither has America... I dont understand how you think this is an insult.

I guess only a child would understand a childs mind

agaugust:

2. Cuba stopped beating up SADF when your country ran to United Nations for help to organize peace negotiations. After UN stopped Cuba by peace talks requested by South Africa, SADF ran away from Angola and left UNITA rebels your strong allies that saved you, to continue the war all alone against Angolan military for decades. SADF ran away from Cuba in 1991, SANDF ran away in repeat mode, away from Seleka in 2013. South Africa's military habit of cowardly running away from a war is legendary.

When did Cuba beat us up? Which battle?

Fighting for 12 hours, killing 400 enemy and getting them to offer a cease-fire is running away?

agaugust:

3. Congo DRC is now peaceful enough for political elections, M23 rebel army was the obstacle and Tanzanian army has removed it by leading UN in war. Today, Congo DRC is not seen as a serious war zone, one small attack in 6 months is not a war. Go ask AU & AMISOM the true meaning of real war in Somalia.

lol, classic augubugugug straw man argument - poorly constructed and visible from space!

From this year:
Since November, waves of violence by Mai Mai militias and rebel groups including the FDLR (Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda) and the Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) of Uganda, have forced large numbers of people to flee. This only adds to a cycle of misery in an area rich in minerals but lacking in law and order. The displacement has also come at a time when the Congolese army has been conducting military operations against the FDLR and other rebel groups.
http://www.unhcr.org/56ab3f2e6.html

Violence between Hutu and Tutsi malitias continue
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-congodemocratic-violence-idUSKCN0VH1VL

December - UN Soldiers defend their base for 10 hours
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=52689#.VrkKs1h96Uk

Combat operations continue, with the FDLR and ADL being targets for this year, look at the map - you are telling me that is not a warzone??

agaugust:


Nobody or organization will ever ask SANDF to lead a regularly fighting mission like Somalia crisis. AU and UN knows the poor military history of South African armed forces. El Shabbab terrorists will eat up SANDF for daily breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Except for the UN who just gave us command of their biggest operation.

fact is this: UN saw how we operated and decided to put us in command of their biggest combat deployment. Which has clearly caused you massive butthurt

agaugust:


[s]Rooivalk has not seen real WAR, it only saw 2 to 3 combat missions of about 7 minutes each, so in about 20 years the Rooivalk has about 20 minutes of combat history against local rebels that have no radar and no missile, not even a 35mm AAA, not even an old Shilka, not even an old SA-7 MANPAD.....rebel tested Rooivalk [/s]

So first of all, as usual, you have no idea what you are talking about:

In 2013, two live engagement sorties were flown, totalling 2.8 hours, during which the two helicopters fired 55 70 mm rockets. Four sorties, totalling 4.8 hours, were flown in 2014 which resulted in live engagements. During these, 355 rounds of 20 mm ammunition and 76 rockets were fired at rebel targets in the DRC. The most combat hours were flown in 2015, with 17.2 hours in six live engagement sorties,

agaugust:

Nobody will pay $40 million for that untested REBEL-WORTHY helicopter, even Brazil your friend chose Mi-35 Hind instead of the worthless Rooivalk.

Yet again, we see more lies from our pathelogical lair!

But if the Rooivalk is so good, why did no one else buy it? The future of Denel looked bleak when Australia was buying; Malaysia would have bought it if we had brought it fully into service, which we did not; and the Turkish opportunity was lost when Eurocopter refused to supply gearboxes

3 countries wanted to buy it, and Turkey made an offer on it.

While the UN has found the Rooivalk to be superior to you pissant obsolete flying house in the DRC!

the DRC deployment has demonstrated the Rooivalk as having significantly better availability and easier maintainability than the Mi-25s/35s in the theatre

Commander of MONUSCO sung its priases!!

General Carols Alberto Dos Santos Cruz, commander of UN forces in the DRC, said the Rooivalk “performed very well as reinforcement to the mission and would be used in future missions. They are very good aircraft – very precise with very good technology. We need this kind of firepower for our missions.”

agaugust:

Now Denel wants to put A-Darter missile on a helo that has no radar to find and lock enemy aircraft. The Rooivalk pilot will be popping his eyes out of the window to search for enemy aircraft....LOL...I pray he meets an F-7 jet so he can have his obituary published the next day in a Soweto newspaper

Really augustine? Is this all you have? A pathetic nonsensical stament like this? Dude seriously if this childishness is all you have left after being humiliated on this thread for 3 years then i think my work is done here

.

agaugust:


Rooivalk has not seen real WAR, it only saw 2 to 3 combat missions of about 7 minutes each, so in about 20 years the Rooivalk has about 20 minutes of combat history against local rebels that have no radar and no missile, not even a 35mm AAA, not even an old Shilka, not even an old SA-7 MANPAD.....rebel tested Rooivalk

Nobody will pay $40 million for that untested REBEL-WORTHY helicopter, even Brazil your friend chose Mi-35 Hind instead of the worthless Rooivalk. Now Denel wants to put A-Darter missile on a helo that has no radar to find and lock enemy aircraft. The Rooivalk pilot will be popping his eyes out of the window to search for enemy aircraft....LOL...I pray he meets an F-7 jet so he can have his obituary published the next day in a Soweto newspaper
.

Abeg no kill me wit laff, y u still de argue with dis buffoons nw! Allow dem with der ignorance abeg.

patches689:



- Biafra war: low tech war against rag tag rebels with no real heavy weapons or air power

Dis guy u can lie o, r u frm LIEberia. I see ur military history is kinda hazy. biafrans had air power, B52 bomber during d civil war dey had wit fed troops.

http://exboy-basasa..nl/2012/05/nigerian-civil-war.html?m=1

DonBobes:



Abeg no kill me wit laff, y u still de argue with dis buffoons nw! Allow dem with der ignorance abeg.

How many hours has Rooivalk flown in DRC? But now you're busy "abeg-ing" as if what you read is true. Shame

DonBobes:



Dis guy u can lie o, r u frm LIEberia. I see ur military history is kinda hazy. biafrans had air power, B52 bomber during d civil war dey had wit fed troops.

http://exboy-basasa..nl/2012/05/nigerian-civil-war.html?m=1

A blog?

agaugust:


Rooivalk has not seen real WAR, it only saw 2 to 3 combat missions of about 7 minutes each, so in about 20 years the Rooivalk has about 20 minutes of combat history against local rebels that have no radar and no missile, not even a 35mm AAA, not even an old Shilka, not even an old SA-7 MANPAD.....rebel tested Rooivalk

Nobody will pay $40 million for that untested REBEL-WORTHY helicopter, even Brazil your friend chose Mi-35 Hind instead of the worthless Rooivalk. Now Denel wants to put A-Darter missile on a helo that has no radar to find and lock enemy aircraft. The Rooivalk pilot will be popping his eyes out of the window to search for enemy aircraft....LOL...I pray he meets an F-7 jet so he can have his obituary published the next day in a Soweto newspaper
.

Then its clear that none of your soldiers, military hardware et al you've used against BH has seen the real war.

Msauza:


A blog?

Go read abt it too dts if ur country even has any history library nt d ones for storage decos lik ur equipment.
Dey had B52 bombers before dey were takin out!

@AUGUSTUS YOU ARE A BITTER MAN TO HAVE BEEN BORN IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY BESIEGED BY FAILURES OF THE SOCIETY. NO AMOUNT ENVY CAN SWAY SOUTH AFRICANS FROM EXPOSING YOUR RAG TAG ARMY THAT IS STRUGGLING TO SUBDUE A POORLY ARMED BUT WITH BETTER MORAL AND SPIRIT.

YOU ARE AN INDICATIVE OF DEVIOUS CHARACTER THAT TRIES TO BE RECOGNISED AS A GIANT AMONGST THE BEST FORMATIONS IN THE WORLD. YOU HAVE PRAISED EGYPT AND ALGERIA TO SPITE SOUTH AFRICA WHENEVER FOUND WANTING. ATLEAST I DONT HAVE TO PICK A MASTER TO MAKE MY POINT.

SOUTH AFRICA WOULD ONLY SHOW WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED NOT PRODUCTS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AND CLAIM THEM. ON A SERIOUS NOTE: NOT SMALL MIND AMUSED BY SMALL THING

@AUGUSTUS YOUR ENVY STEMS FROM YOUR COUNTRY'S FAILURE TO BACK UP ANY OF ITS CLAIM TO BE AN AFRICAN GIANT. YOU FAILED TO CONVINCE ABOUT ANY OF INVENTIONS IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC OR MILITARY TERMS. YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE JUST NOTHING BUT HOGWASH BASED ON ENVY AGAINST SOUTH AFRICA.

YOU CAN TRY SO MUCH TO DISTORT BE LITTLE AND SACARSTIC BUT WONT CHANGE SOUTH AFRICA'S ACHIEVEMENTS.....TRUE THE PROVERT: SMALL THINGS AMUSES SMALL MINDS

ON A SERIOUS NOTE: Some 25 years ago, South Africa was one of the leaders in the global UAV sector.

SANDF....SMALL THINGS AMUSES SMALL MINDS

SANDF

[s]

patches689:



- Biafra war: low tech war against rag tag rebels with no real heavy weapons or air power

- Niger Delta war: low tech war against rag tag rebels, only ended when you let the rebel leader (GLJ) into government

No one cares about tiny pathetic and disorganized wars.... we fought the most advanced war in SSA and one of the biggest and longest




Neither has America... I dont understand how you think this is an insult.

I guess only a child would understand a childs mind




When did Cuba beat us up? Which battle?

Fighting for 12 hours, killing 400 enemy and getting them to offer a cease-fire is running away?




lol, classic augubugugug straw man argument - poorly constructed and visible from space!

From this year:
Since November, waves of violence by Mai Mai militias and rebel groups including the FDLR (Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda) and the Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) of Uganda, have forced large numbers of people to flee. This only adds to a cycle of misery in an area rich in minerals but lacking in law and order. The displacement has also come at a time when the Congolese army has been conducting military operations against the FDLR and other rebel groups.
http://www.unhcr.org/56ab3f2e6.html

Violence between Hutu and Tutsi malitias continue
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-congodemocratic-violence-idUSKCN0VH1VL

December - UN Soldiers defend their base for 10 hours
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=52689#.VrkKs1h96Uk

Combat operations continue, with the FDLR and ADL being targets for this year, look at the map - you are telling me that is not a warzone??






Except for the UN who just gave us command of their biggest operation.

fact is this: UN saw how we operated and decided to put us in command of their biggest combat deployment. Which has clearly caused you massive butthurt

[/s]

Biafra war was high tech for the 1970s, and Africa's biggest war in history. High tech, MiG-15 jets, MiG-17 jets, Il-28 jets, frigates, corvettes, Saracen armoured vehicles, artillery howitzers, Bofors AAA, airborne rocket pods, etc.

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Ethiopia Vs Eritrea war of Badme year 2000 with Su-27 flankers and MiG-29 is more advanced in war technology than your SADF vs Cuba war in Angola. Who told you South Africa fought the most advanced war in sub saharan Africa? Fool.

How many UN soldiers get killed each month in Congo? Go check how many AU soldiers died in Somalia in last month alone.

Congo is just a simple crisis like Burundi, a piece of cake, tiny local rebels carrying AK-47 around like mere armed robbers.
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Thiza:
SANDF

Please brother, join us on the African photo thread, we are missing you there THIZA. Thanks.

https://www.nairaland.com/1386870/african-militaries-security-services-strictly/362#42592207
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[s]

patches689:


So first of all, as usual, you have no idea what you are talking about:

In 2013, two live engagement sorties were flown, totalling 2.8 hours, during which the two helicopters fired 55 70 mm rockets. Four sorties, totalling 4.8 hours, were flown in 2014 which resulted in live engagements. During these, 355 rounds of 20 mm ammunition and 76 rockets were fired at rebel targets in the DRC. The most combat hours were flown in 2015, with 17.2 hours in six live engagement sorties,




Yet again, we see more lies from our pathelogical lair!

But if the Rooivalk is so good, why did no one else buy it? The future of Denel looked bleak when Australia was buying; Malaysia would have bought it if we had brought it fully into service, which we did not; and the Turkish opportunity was lost when Eurocopter refused to supply gearboxes

3 countries wanted to buy it, and Turkey made an offer on it.

While the UN has found the Rooivalk to be superior to you pissant obsolete flying house in the DRC!

the DRC deployment has demonstrated the Rooivalk as having significantly better availability and easier maintainability than the Mi-25s/35s in the theatre

Commander of MONUSCO sung its priases!!

General Carols Alberto Dos Santos Cruz, commander of UN forces in the DRC, said the Rooivalk “performed very well as reinforcement to the mission and would be used in future missions. They are very good aircraft – very precise with very good technology. We need this kind of firepower for our missions.”



Really augustine? Is this all you have? A pathetic nonsensical stament like this? Dude seriously if this childishness is all you have left after being humiliated on this thread for 3 years then i think my work is done here

.

[/s]

No single weblink source in your above long story, so into the dustbin it goes.

Msauza:



Then its clear that none of your soldiers, military hardware et al you've used against BH has seen the real war.

Nope, Mi-35 Hind, T-72 tank, Cobra APC, Bofors artillery, M56 artillery, Palmaria artillery, Gazelle helicopters, VBL APC, F-7 jets, etc have been used in dozens of war all over the world, by the militaries of Russia, Iran, Iraq, Georgia, India, Serbia, France, Ethiopia, Eritrea, etc. Our equipment are battle tested in the worlds biggest nation vs nation wars.....unlike Rooivalk that can only fight local rebels thag have zero air defences....rebel worthy Rooivalk, $40 million anti-rebel helicopter
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[right][/right]

agaugust:
[s][/s]

Biafra war was high tech for the 1970s, and Africa's biggest war in history. High tech, MiG-15 jets, MiG-17 jets, Il-28 jets, frigates, corvettes, Saracen armoured vehicles, artillery howitzers, Bofors AAA, airborne rocket pods, etc.

—————————————————————————

Ethiopia Vs Eritrea war of Badme year 2000 with Su-27 flankers and MiG-29 is more advanced in war technology than your SADF vs Cuba war in Angola. Who told you South Africa fought the most advanced war in sub saharan Africa? Fool.

How many UN soldiers get killed each month in Congo? Go check how many AU soldiers died in Somalia in last month alone.

Congo is just a simple crisis like Burundi, a piece of cake, tiny local rebels carrying AK-47 around like mere armed robbers.
.

Biafra was never and had never been Africa's biggest war. It is Africa's biggest civil war. The biggest war and the longest fought war on African soil was the bush war. No doubt about it.

agaugust:


Nope, Mi-35 Hind, T-72 tank, Cobra APC, Bofors artillery, M56 artillery, Palmaria artillery, Gazelle helicopters, VBL APC, F-7 jets, etc have been used in dozens of war all over the world, by the militaries of Russia, Iran, Iraq, Georgia, India, Serbia, France, Ethiopia, Eritrea, etc. Our equipment are battle tested in the worlds biggest nation vs nation wars.....unlike Rooivalk that can only fight local rebels thag have zero air defences....rebel worthy Rooivalk, $40 million anti-rebel helicopter
.

Same as SANDF equipment which was used by many militaries in the world. Like it or not, Rooivalk has seen the war, be it at the rebel level or not. At least we all know that it can kill.

agaugust:
[s][/s]

No single weblink source in your above long story, so into the dustbin it goes.

You could have kindly asked for sources.

Msauza:



Then its clear that none of your soldiers, military hardware et al you've used against BH has seen the real war.

Nw I see u r High on BURUKUTU!

DonBobes:


Nw I see u r High on BURUKUTU!

I agree that is a drunken speech but if you were clever enough you could have realised that I have only twisted it to reciprocate agaigust's stu.pid claims that Rooivalk is only rebel worthy machine. That will mean all equipments in Nigerias military arsernal is as well rebel worthy since it has never used against any conventional military.