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| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by Dominoifet(m): 2:47am On Apr 07, 2010 |
Herein lies the point of the NMA Though ego is part of it |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by buffox: 2:49am On Apr 07, 2010 |
^^ I am very calm my friend. Our thoughts just seem seem to be going off on tangents so I decided to just let it lie *from nairaland experience, these sort of debates never end* Of course I need a doctor to treat me if I am ill. Why? That is his expertise! As a minister, your core skills cannot lie in just your specialist field. You need a blend of industry-specific knowledge, a passion for the sector, and a strong ability to pull together political and social resources. The health sector as we have it today is almost non-existent. There would be new policies, the people need to support it. If you have an NMA that would strike on you anytime you try to introduce anything new or a senate that would sit on your reform proposals, you have lost it politically and your tenure would be frustrated >> no achievement - does this require being a doctor?? So what I am saying, what is key is the knowledge of the nigerian medical sector and not specialist knowledge as an MD. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by Dominoifet(m): 3:02am On Apr 07, 2010 |
^Remember Ransome kuti he was a doctor not a nurse and we know his achievements. This is a highly skill-oriented sector. Fine management skills are needed but they r secondary to the main skill. I don't think these main skilll is acquired without human management at some point. Either by additional training or gathered from experience. Do u want to tell me no other qual doctor has a better resumay than this guy? NO This is not good |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by buffox: 3:08am On Apr 07, 2010 |
^^for every person there is in a leadership position, it is postulated there is someone better. You mean fine management is secondary to someone who needs to be the CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR of the health sector? Do you believe a good administrator who is a non-doctor would do a better job than a doctor with no managerial skills/experience? All he needs do is get a knowledgeable consultant who thrashes the technical details out. I don't need to know the angle a surgical blade cuts to transform the health ministry my friend! |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by Dominoifet(m): 3:21am On Apr 07, 2010 |
^ yeah right!!! That's the Nigerian spririt. Good night. BB |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by buffox: 3:27am On Apr 07, 2010 |
By d way that was an extreme citing, but you get my drift. lol. . .good night o >>make sure to ask for a doctor when you need to, not the minister! |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by Davo09: 1:08pm On Apr 07, 2010 |
What does a Minister of health do? He doesn't attend to patients, He needs not attend to patients like medical Doctors or babysit any patient like the nurses. His work is pure management; any experienced Staff with little Hospital experience can perform if He is naturally endow with enough wisdom to put in place all necessary programs to move the health sectors forward. We do not need any Big headed medical doctor who has cram all the anatomy for this position, and i think this doctor should stop displaying their cheap ego in public; who told them they are better than other health practitioners? is time all this arcane thinking and outdated professionals stop displaying their inferiority. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by azorjiu(m): 1:16pm On Apr 07, 2010 |
Why is medical doctor a better candidate for the post than a nurse? Are they both not in the medical field? If the guy has got the skills, let him be. Achievement is never measure by profession. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by hillsate: 2:28pm On Apr 07, 2010 |
Guys, there is this hospital near where i live. The doctors went on strike one time and it took the hospital about 2 weeks to feel the impact. At one time again pharmacist went on strike and the hospital felt their impact in less that two weeks. Nurses went on strike and their impact was felt in less than a week. But people, cleaners went on strike and their impact was felt in less than 24 hours. Am not saying that cleaners should be made ministers of health but everyone in a health setting is very important. Healthcare is all about team work. The doc needs the pharmacist, nurses, lab scientist, etc vice-versa. No one is more superior than the other. The doctors argument is that they spend six years in med school while others spend less than that. I heard presently training for pharmacist is now six years Pharm.D ( doctor of pharmacy, already in UNIBEN). As long as someone is competent in the medical field and has managerial experience whether nurse or lab scientist is fit to lead the health ministry. I think the NMA is only scared that their so called supremacy in the medical field is fast nose diving and politics is one area it seems they can remain afloat. The health ministry is not the birthright of doctors. Prof ransome Kuti was a doctor and minister of health. he achived some feat BUT the present problem in the health sector was initiated by him. He jacked up the salaries of docs so high that disparity was obvious compared to the rest health professionals. The federal Govt is trying to address that disparity hence reason also why docs said they'll go on strike if the gap is narrowed. How more selfish can they be? THE NMA SHOULD GO ON STRIKE, THEIR INFERIOR IS NOW THEIR BOSS! |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by Devonian(m): 6:01pm On Apr 07, 2010 |
Kathleen Sebelius (http://www.hhs.gov/secretary/ ) is the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (the same as Nigeria’s Minister of health), she attended the Summit Country Day School in Cincinnati and graduated from Trinity Washington University in Washington, D.C. with a B.A. in political science. She later earned a Master of Public Administration degree from the University of Kansas She has no medical qualifications whatsoever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius#Early_life_and_family ). Similarly, Andy Burnham the UK’s Secretary of State for Health, who was born in Liverpool, was educated in Merseyside at St Aelred's Roman Catholic High School and gained an MA in English at Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge. No further qualifications (http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Aboutus/MinistersandDepartmentLeaders/Ministers/Ministersbiography/DH_100325 ). I challenge any right thinking person on this forum to tell me what makes Kathleen Sebelius, a Graduate of Politics and Public Administration, qualified to head the US Department of Health and Human Services; and, Andy Burnham, a Graduate of English qualified to head UK Department of Health; but, Suleiman Bello an RN, who not only holds a Bachelor’s degree in Nursing from the USA, but also obtained academic qualifications in Political Science, Public Administration and Educational Administration and Planning, gaining relevant professional, academic, and technocratic experience, unsuitable and unqualified to head Nigeria’s Ministry of Health. All health professionals (doctors [GPs, ophthalmologists, surgeons, etc], nurses, anaesthetists, dentists, occupational therapists, phlebotomists, carers, to mention a few, should be held in high esteem, without one group of health professionals looking down on others. If you’ve seen how health professionals of all kinds and shades work together harmoniously in the UK and USA, without the surgeon looking down on the theatre nurse, the theatre nursing assistant and the anaesthetists, all of whom work hand in hand, playing their respective roles in seeing patients through surgical procedures in hospital theatres, you cannot but conclude that we Nigerians need to rethink our colonial mentality that is continuing to derail us. A little digression before I go. A colleague completed his DPhil in Medical Ethics sometime last year here in the UK. He is one of those who wanted to serve his fatherland. His BA & MA was in Philosophy and Ethics which groomed him to complete his doctoral research in Medical Ethics. He returned to Nigeria, and got a job teaching in a university, but would not be allowed to teach medical ethics courses to medical students because he isn’t a medical doctor. Needless to say none of those teaching the medical ethics courses possess any qualifications or specialist training in medical ethics. This is a guy whose thesis had been published in the UK. Besides, he’s published a number of papers in the area of medical ethics in a number of peer reviewed international journals, and therefore not one of the self-publishing Nigerian academics who publishing materials in quack journals. What prevents the medical school of the university where this guy is lecturing from tapping from his wealth of research experience and expertise if not that Nigerians are still by and large under the yoke of mental colonialism. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by Nobody: 6:51pm On Apr 07, 2010 |
His BA & MA was in Philosophy and Ethics which groomed him to complete his doctoral research in Medical Ethics. He returned to Nigeria, and got a job teaching in a university, but would not be allowed to teach medical ethics courses to medical students because he isn’t a medical doctor not all medical lecturers are doctors, so i'm sure there must be another reason why he wasnt allowed to teach medical ethics. was he required to get some specific certification which he refused to do? |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by ziga: 7:18pm On Apr 07, 2010 |
When things happen in Nigeria, we are so quick to compare with things that happen in the states. This is a good trend, however, we should take note that American laws and their style of education differs from ours. A lot of things back in Nigeria is influenced by our culture. I am only saying that we need to take note that our culture makes us egoistical and we only produce leaders who will never listen to relevant suggestions. The head of most institutions will never consult with advisers before making health policies and decisions and they bully their way through most things. "you should never question my decision syndrome" In the ideal situation, anybody with good management skills can run any ministry. They surround themselves with knowledgeable advisers and they consult with them before making decisions. With the one man show style of leadership in Nigeria, you might understand why most ministries tend to be run by people with the most knowledge about the ministry they are heading. I am not saying a nurse shouldn't be head of the ministry of health. If he will be a good leader, things might be better than when doctors who used to run the ministry. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by Nobody: 9:26pm On Apr 07, 2010 |
The most important thing is the man's administrative ability and experience not his paper qualifications. Moreover it is an added advantage that he is indeed a professional in the health care industry. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by docwizu: 10:00am On Apr 08, 2010 |
Hey Guys.I hope we all understand that there is a difference between minister and minister of state.The guy in question is only minister of state and the health ministry for now has no minister.The fault is Vanguard's for misinforming us. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by docwizu: 4:03pm On Apr 08, 2010 |
I can see that you have a special dislike for doctors.Did you just refer to the other guys in health profession as being in medical profession.Obviously you do not know what u r saying.The issue here is not about superiority,it is about leadership.The leader is not superior to his followers just like the doctor is not superior to other health workers but he is the leader of the health team.Yes every member of the team is important but there must be a leader and that leader is indisputably the doctor.Your type will go to a laboratory when you are sick for the scientist to conduct tests and also treat you,without been seen by a doctor.You need enlightenment on the role of a doctor in health care delivery. Anyway for your information,the health ministry has no minister now as Bello is only minister of state. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by Nobody: 5:23pm On Apr 08, 2010 |
docwizu: Well you can in that sense regard the doctor in this position as acting an operational management capacity. He is in close contact with the patient or 'customer'. That is quite different from from executive management which is what this ministerial role is about. Being a minister of health is more about understanding, formulating and articulating the federal governments strategic plans and policies in the health care delivery system. You certainly don't need to be a surgeon to successfully carry out this top level management role.You do need overall understanding of the health-care industry, and crucially executive management ability, experience, and know-how. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by Devonian(m): 6:29pm On Apr 08, 2010 |
docwizu: docwizu: You and others in the same boat as you are ostensibly some of the most unenlightened minds in today’s Nigeria. You're welcome to NL to continue displaying your ignorance. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by hamaseyo: 8:11pm On Apr 12, 2010 |
@hillstate: apparently, you didn't notice that this nurse you are talking about was only appointed the Minister of State. The senior minister (a doctor, of course) will soon be appointed. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by Avenir(m): 10:03pm On Apr 12, 2010 |
hamaseyo: What have the so called 'doctors' achieved after all these years of appointing them Health Ministers? The health ministry needs a good administrator who is well grounded in public health policy and who can bring about real change in Nigeria's public health. Does being a doctor automatically makes one a good manager or administrator? No! |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by supereagle(m): 5:50am On Apr 13, 2010 |
Every Body in Health Sector is important to Hell with NMA. If another professional contest to head college of Medicine as provost they will tell you it is their birth right to be there. with all his degree, the new Health Minister is more than qualify to be there. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by illusion2: 10:13am On Apr 13, 2010 |
Like i posted on another thread,the Minister of Health[i](differs from Surgeon-General) [/i] need not be a medical doctor,just like the Minister of Justice need not be a lawyer,(separate this from Attorney-General). However ,this is Nigeria,where your education & title is everything. Anyway I think the man is Minister of State for Health,prob the substantive minister will be a medico ! This post below puts it succintly  Davo09: |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by yfirstson(m): 11:28am On Apr 13, 2010 |
This is one of those retarded ways of thinking. People say stuffs like; Because someone attends a particular school, he's better than every other fellow that attends one oher school. Because someone graduates with a particular class of degree, he's smarter than someone who graduates with a lower class of degreee, Bacause someone studies Medicine, he's smarter and a better manager than every nurse. Only retards think like this. Minister of Health Position is purely a management position and anybody with quality intelligence and management experience in health sector can effectively manage it. That man's profile shows that he's more experienced and more learned than most of our medical doctors that have managed the ministry before. It's much disappointing this is how NMA thinks. I wonder what an association that thinks like this can offer Nigeria. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by marocguy(m): 2:29pm On Apr 13, 2010 |
The doctors hav succeeded in makn us one of the worst systems in the world. Them Mrs. Grange n co. Pls lets c wot this new guy wud do 4 d health industry. The NMA can go and strike lyk a bunch of unproffesionals. Meanwhile,their days of dominance are counted and they knw it. How i wish dora was d one headn dat ministry. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by snowdrops(m): 3:06pm On Apr 13, 2010 |
marocguy:Another bad belle for doctors. All these people are tried but failed to become doctors, don get opportunity to get thier pound of flesh. Ok make una carry minister comot make all of us rest jare. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by adex4xperience(m): 11:05am On May 23, 2011 |
Nigerians with ignorance again.Most people fink nursing ends with caring for patients.Doctors spend 6yrs in d university and nurses spend 5yrs.Doctors can't do anytin without d nurses and vice versa.As far as i'm concern,no profession is superior to the other,each profession has its own impact on the nation.Nigerian mentality is what pple considering here,doctors go on strike like anytin,is anytin happening to d patients,let the nurses strike for a week and see what will happen.The highest ranked profession in the UK &US is nursing,cos they know their impact in the health sector,they pay them more than our so called nigerian doctors.My people,b4 u condemn any profesion,make sure u know about,n understand what it entails. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by snowdrops(m): 11:09am On May 23, 2011 |
any whats the point of resurrecting this thread? |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by enyojo(f): 11:27am On May 23, 2011 |
Serves them right! The same group of Doctors kicked against Akunyili as the Health Minister under Yar'adua! She eventually became the Information Minister and lost her Reputation she earned at Gun-point. It was like putting a J.J Okocha at the goal post. She made a fool of herself, No thanks to the NMA. It serves them right. However, Nigeria suffers the more.  |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by snowdrops(m): 1:55pm On May 23, 2011 |
is akunyuli a medical doctor? |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by revomind(m): 4:43pm On May 23, 2011 |
What's wrong with a nurse being Minister of Health? The man seems pretty well qualified to me. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by enyojo(f): 4:46pm On May 23, 2011 |
snowdrops: No. She is a Phamarcist. Prof for that matter. She couldnt be a Minister of Health since she doesnt have MBBS. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by ziccoit: 4:54pm On May 23, 2011 |
Of course, a guy with Diploma in Law from a Polytechnics with impressive credentials and experiences could as well be the Minister of Justice and Anthony General of the Federation. |
| Re: A Nurse As Minister Of Health: Nma's Petition Disregarded. by osifred(m): 2:50pm On Jun 12, 2011 |
in my 4yrs or so as a member of nairaland i hav neva come across a thread with useless post as this. To be igorance of one's ignorances is the malady of ignorance. Personally i am impressed by the CV of dat nurse n i think u dont necessarily need to be a medical doctor before been appointed the minister of health. This position is not dat of the surgeon general of the federation which requires a surgeon to head. |
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