live4dgospel:

If you don't believe that John the Baptist passed over our sins to the head of Jesus during His baptism, how then can you believe that he is a de facto High Priest and a representative of mankind? Now answer this question. In Matthew 3:15 Jesus told John "for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness". What does He mean by "for thus" and "all righteousness"?

I thought Jesus only took our sins when he was on the cross?

live4dgospel:

Jesus, of course, is the High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek. But John is the last High Priest according to the order of Aaron, because he performed the de facto role of passing on the sins of the world according to the Old Testament laying on of hands. It was written "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."(Matthew 11:13). This means that the baptism of John the Baptist marked the end of the Old Testament sacrificial system ( according to the order of Aaron). John knew why he baptized Jesus, that was the reason the next after he baptized Jesus, while standing with his disciples seeing Jesus walking by, he bore this witness “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"(John 1:29). This means according to the order Aaron Jesus is certainly not a High Priest but rather a sacrificial Lamb.
In Matthew 3:15 "But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him."
Was it not written here that Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness?

caiaphas the High priest is the last of the Arronic priest who supervised the killing of the passover lamb Jesus.
John belong to the the line of the prophets and occupies the room of elijah.

Pls., can Mr. live4gospel and gospelman, juxtapose ur earlier acertion dat John is a high priest and that he passed on the sins of everyone upon Jesus Christ? can u also explain the essence of baptism in Christendom?

Ubenedictus:
there is no need for an aaronic priest, the new high priest has put an end to the priest in the order of Aaron.
neither was john a Aaronic high priest nor was a Aaronic high priest needed.

Jesus began the new sacrificial system where he is both high priest, and Lamb, he needed no other high priest to make his sacrifice.

He wasn't that priest until he was sacrificed and now became the priest that does the role Aaron played.


Check the book of Leviticus, no sacrifices can be performed without the high priest's approval and scrutiny, so yes the OP is very much right with his analysis of this topic.


After he conquered all, he ascended high to begin the role of high priest.


A priest must she'd blood that avails much and this he can now use to at one the sins of the people.


John by lineage was truly a priest.... Caiaphas and Co had to stay where they were to just allow what was prophecies to fulfill.

engrchykae:
caiaphas the High priest is the last of the Arronic priest who supervised the killing of the passover lamb Jesus.
John belong to the the line of the prophets and occupies the room of elijah.

In addition sir, John is not a high priest, he is d last prophet sent to prepare God's path by preaching repentance and Jesus Christ is the highest priest of God.

daveP:
He wasn't that priest until he was sacrificed and now became the priest that does the role Aaron played.


Check the book of Leviticus, no sacrifices can be performed without the high priest's approval and scrutiny, so yes the OP is very much right with his analysis of this topic.


After he conquered all, he ascended high to begin the role of high priest.


A priest must she'd blood that avails much and this he can now use to at one the sins of the people.


John by lineage was truly a priest.... Caiaphas and Co had to stay where they were to just allow what was prophecies to fulfill.

to ur own opinion, did John passed the sins of mankind to Jesus by virtue of baptizing him?

Ubenedictus:
I just answered the question,

Jesus had no sin, but his baptism fulfilled the word of God given to John.


And John bore witness saying, “I have
beheld the Spirit descending as a dove out
of heaven, and He remained upon Him. And
I did not recognize Him, but He who sent
me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon
whom you see the Spirit descending and
remaining upon Him, this is the one who
baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'” (NASB) John
1:32-33

i get your point well.


But what he means is that typically of a priest when he wants to atone for the people's sins, he pronounces the sins of the people on a lamb without blemish(Jesus), and then sends the lamb out away to the wilderness....

Or the lamb is killed and sprinkled on thebpeole while the priest pleads forgiveness for them..... It's a representation of what Jesus came to fulfill. He followed the protocol so well that rabbis and Jewish scholars are now presently shocked that he followed due process.

Isaiah wasn't just writing "Like a lamb to the slaughter..... " He was writing what the spirit was revealing to him from the future. Hmm.

A study of Jewish Customs and traditions will fill in some void of knowledge about why somethins were done....



you have a point. and so does he.

Igbaba2:
to ur own opinion, did John passed the sins of mankind to Jesus by virtue of baptizing him?

It's typical, like a represation of the way atonement was carried out. If it wasn't needed. I doubt it was necessary to happen at the river Jordan.


so as typical of a high priest when he wants to atone, yes John did play that role that day.


Behold the lamb of the God that talent away the sins of the world.


Read the atonement process in Leviticus, you'll see the strong correlation.

It's while Jesus came to "fufill" the law......

Igbaba2:
In addition sir, John is not a high priest, he is d last prophet sent to prepare God's path by preaching repentance and Jesus Christ is the highest priest of God.

nothing gives joy like thinking on the word of God.
Isaac asked his father where is the lamb.
John answered behold the lamb and in revelations 5 the entire universe said worthy is the lamb.
Everything works in tandem.
Oh Jesus

daveP:
It's typical, like a represation of the way atonement was carried out. If it wasn't needed. I doubt it was necessary to happen at the river Jordan.


so as typical of a high priest when he wants to atone, yes John did play that role that day.


Behold the lamb of the God that talent away the sins of the world.


Read the atonement process in Leviticus, you'll see the strong correlation.

It's while Jesus came to "fufill" the law......

yea...............it's just a representation and assumption but no verse in the scriptures points to that ascertion. fine we can compare and contrast, but a times things like this must be treated with care; whether, John passes sin of the world on Jesus or not, does not matter, but what matters is doing the will of Jesus christ, person may not understand these things and yet be holy and that holiness and love is what Jesus requires. because this argument takes us to no where, but our faith in God. thanks and happy Sunday!

live4dgospel:
I say, who is wiser than our great God?

Really my friend, tell me sincerely - how come a perfect and wise God requires human sacrifice for the forgiveness of Sins?
Is human sacrifice not a detestable and barbaric thing as far as we know?

In particular, how does the said human sacrifice in any way make the forgiven people better souls?
For is it not our collective experience that after the purported human sacrifice of Jesus, the Nazarene Rabbi - humans have continued in evil and sin of every kind and description - and there is no discernible enlightenment of their souls?

Would it not therefore appear that the so called sacrifice in fact did nothing whatsoever to improve or better the spiritual standing of humanity - not even those among them who call themselves Christians?

Would it not have made better sense to you if forgiveness from a righteous God derives from the simple act and condition of repentance and penitence: repentance in the sense of genuinely recognizing the wrong of sin and withdrawing from it and penitence in the sense of feeling genuinely remorseful about sin and having a desire to live in higher and more noble ways? Should these two feelings not be the higher and noble feelings that would sensibly and naturally form the basis for the forgiveness of a loving, merciful and righteous God? Even as a human parent, what would form the basis of your forgiveness of an erring child? Would it not be these?

In addition does it not make better sense to say that individual atonement is required? What justice is there in taking the sins of a person and placing them on the head of another person? How can a purportedly just God transfer responsibility or liability for sins from one who committed them to another who is blameless? How does this fit and work out in your worldview?

At the end of the day, you are content to wave all these simple and sensible thoughts aside and conclude that the murder/ execution of a Jewish Rabbi some two millennia ago for some strange ritualistic reason serves to absolve you of your sins?

Kontinu.

Premiumwriter:
I thought Jesus only took our sins when he was on the cross?

I tire o....some people will go to hell for wrong doctrine.

Thanks for this resource.

daveP:
i get your point well.


But what he means is that typically of a priest when he wants to atone for the people's sins, he pronounces the sins of the people on a lamb without blemish(Jesus), and then sends the lamb out away to the wilderness....

Or the lamb is killed and sprinkled on thebpeole while the priest pleads forgiveness for them..... It's a representation of what Jesus came to fulfill. He followed the protocol so well that rabbis and Jewish scholars are now presently shocked that he followed due process.

Isaiah wasn't just writing "Like a lamb to the slaughter..... " He was writing what the spirit was revealing to him from the future. Hmm.

A study of Jewish Customs and traditions will fill in some void of knowledge about why somethins were done....



you have a point. and so does he.

my dear, I am not new to the topic, Jewish rituals are not lost to me, I have studied them and still study them.

Jesus didn't need any other priest to pronounce sin over him... he himself was the high priest for his sacrifice....

you guys need to Read up on the book of Hebrew please begin from chapter one, from birth Jesus was to be the high priest, the lamb and the sacrifice. he did not need a Jewish high priest to mediate in his sacrifice, he is the high priest for his sacrifice.



Hebrew 2;17


For this reason he had to be made like
them, fully human in every way, in order that he might
become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to
God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of
the people. Because he himself suffered when he
was tempted, he is able to help those who are being
tempted.

Jesus was made human so that he may be like us and thus be the high priest for the sacrifice not John the Baptist

Hebrew 7

If perfection could have been attained through the
Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the
people established that priesthood—why was there still
need for another priest to come, one in the order of
Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the
priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
He of whom these things are said belonged to a
different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever
served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord
descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses
said nothing about priests. And what we have said is
even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek
appears, one who has become a priest not on the
basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis
of the power of an indestructible life. For it is
declared:
The former regulation is set aside because it was
weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect),
and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near
to God.
And it was not without an oath! Others became
priests without any oath, but he became a priest
with an oath when God said to him:
Because of this oath, Jesus has become the
guarantor of a better covenant.
Now there have been many of those priests, since
death prevented them from continuing in office; but
because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent
priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely
those who come to God through him, because he always
lives to intercede for them.
Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is
holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted
above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he
does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for
his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He
sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered
himself. For the law appoints as high priests men in
all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the
law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect
forever.


the aaronic priesthood was inherently defective and couldn't offer the perfect sacrifice, so God swore an oath that made Jesus our high priest so he could offer that one sacrifice.

because it is the priesthood of Melchizedek that is given the power to offer that sacrifice, the priesthood of Aaron wasn't needed, thus John could never perform the duty of a priest where Jesus the perfect high priest is.

Hebrew 8
If perfection could have been attained through the
Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the
people established that priesthood—why was there still
need for another priest to come, one in the order of
Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the
priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
He of whom these things are said belonged to a
different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever
served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord
descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses
said nothing about priests. And what we have said is
even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek
appears, one who has become a priest not on the
basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis
of the power of an indestructible life. For it is
declared:
The former regulation is set aside because it was
weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect),
and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near
to God.
And it was not without an oath! Others became
priests without any oath, but he became a priest
with an oath when God said to him:
Because of this oath, Jesus has become the
guarantor of a better covenant.
Now there have been many of those priests, since
death prevented them from continuing in office; but
because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent
priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely
those who come to God through him, because he always
lives to intercede for them.
Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is
holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted
above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he
does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for
his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He
sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered
himself. For the law appoints as high priests men in
all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the
law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect
forever.

For Christ did not enter a sanctuary
made with human hands that was only a copy of the true
one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in
God’s presence. Nor did he enter heaven to offer
himself again and again, the way the high priest enters
the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his
own. Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer
many times since the creation of the world. But he has
appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to
do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. Just as
people are destined to die once, and after that to face
judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away
the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not
to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.




the Bible is very clear on this. Jesus is the sole high priest for that sacrifice, the priesthood of john was defective and couldn't carry that sacrifice so Jesus had to be the high priest for his own sacrifice not John the Baptist.

engrchykae:
caiaphas the High priest is the last of the Arronic priest who supervised the killing of the passover lamb Jesus.
John belong to the the line of the prophets and occupies the room of elijah.

abeg tell am

Igbaba2:
In addition sir, John is not a high priest, he is d last prophet sent to prepare God's path by preaching repentance and Jesus Christ is the highest priest of God.

amen

What will you be doing now ubenedictus?. Are you saying that he wasn't the lamb of God before he became our high priest? He was no high priest before his crucifixion and ressurection. That happened and was conferred on him after he ressurected pls.


Go back to the prophecies of Isaiah and read for yourself.

After that curtain tore apart, the typical aaronic priesthood was suspended for a new dispensation. That of Christ now the high priest atoning for us since that day.


So yes he is thelamb first before priest. Paul in Hebrews was trying to explain the kingship and priesthood of Christ according to the aaronic style they were so used to.


John didn't utter those words at the river Jordan just cos he wanted to. That was exactly what he was at that period in time.


Lamb first, and since we know the way these sacrifice protocols went, we should both understand that he was led as a sheep to the slaughter. He was still that lamb till the comment "it is finished! "


Still the lamb.... when he descended and took captivity captive, a new role was given him, and that is that every knee must bow. This was the coronation of kingship and priesthood on Jesus Christ bro.


Lamb first, before Priest


Sacrifice must be available before the priest can perform..

Igbaba2:
yea...............it's just a representation and assumption but no verse in the scriptures points to that ascertion. fine we can compare and contrast, but a times things like this must be treated with care; whether, John passes sin of the world on Jesus or not, does not matter, but what matters is doing the will of Jesus christ, person may not understand these things and yet be holy and that holiness and love is what Jesus requires. because this argument takes us to no where, but our faith in God. thanks and happy Sunday!

This has nothing to do with compare and contrast... Rather it just have to do with the essence of sacrifice. What and how was it carries out?


How was the sins atoned for according to the aaronic order? Did Jesus come to do anything out of this order or he came to show that he was exactly the perfect sacrifice according to the order of sacrifice?

He came to give a vivid representation of the remission of sins by sacrificing his live for all mankind. Nothing out of the ordinary here. He was doing it exactly the way the aaronic order did it.


And mind you, even if I don't need to say this here.... John was a Levite and a prophet. His father was of the order of the high priest, so by birth, he could perform the priestly role.... Levites could do sacrifices. so you see.... That scene at Jordan needed be executed so that those coming would remember Isaiah's prophecies and use it to follow the Messiah.


Hebrews is an explanation of Jesus as king and High priest .

Thegospelman:


Someone once said that the problem with the mainstream Christianity is that there are many blind believers. They believe things not because they have found them to be true but because majority accept them or their churches teach such. I think Roman Catholic church is the reservoir of such blind followers. They were fed from infancy to believe in certain doctrines and reject others as heresies. When I go into argument with them I found out that always go blank before the Word of God. Conclusively they value their church teachings more than the Word of God.

You will never realise how unstable your faith is untill I expose it...

First of all, you said He was baptized to identify with sinners and supported your view with a Hebrews portion probably (Hebrews 4:15), I have thoroughly investigated, no Hebrews portion supported this your thought nor any verse of the entire Scriptures! Christ didn't come to identify with sinners rather He came to save His people from their sins. Everything He ever did was to save His people from sins. How can God the Almighty leave His throne only to identify with sinners as though He sought so much to taste human nature. Even though He came as a flesh, His ultimate goal was to save us from sins. When I asked you what you meant by "identify with sinners" you referred me to non-existing Hebrews portion of the Scriptures.

Now When John tried to prevent Him from being baptized because John well knew that Christ had no need for baptism as He had no sins. Now Christ gave John the reason he should baptize Him by saying "for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness" (i.e this is the only way for us to fulfill all righteousness).
Now visibly in agreement with what live4dgospel explained from original Greek text, you changed to "to do justice" as the reason for Christ baptism. I'm now asking you how did Christ do 'justice' with His baptism?

the problem with new age believer of the last days is that they prefer cleverly invented myths of yesterday to the truth and it seems your sect is filled with such.

1. the book of Hebrew says that we have a high priest who chose to be like us in every way but sin, in fact if you knew anything about the old testament sacrifice you would know that the lamb to be killed for the Passover must be placed in the house of those for whom it will be sacrificed for days so as to identify it with them....
2ndly as I explained, God had earlier spoken to John the Baptist that he to whom the spirit fell on as he came out of the water, that was the Messiah, Jesus' baptism fulfilled the word given to John and lastly is an example to us.


the thing that you will never find in the entire scripture from Genesis to revelation is the funny idea that John was a high priest conferring sins on Jesus... that is not in the Bible... in fact the Bible clearly tells us who was high priest at the time, his name was caiaphas. in fact all through the Bible John is talked about as a prophet, the new Elijah preparing the Way for the Lord but certainly not as high priest.

live4dgospel:

God bless you brother

Thegospelman:

Amen!!!

Thegospelman:

Yes brother

live4dgospel:

Yes brother, that's the justice of God.

You can go ahead and scream Amen and Yes, brother.

There is no brother.
You are the same individual deceiving yourself.

John was never a Priest.
That truth changeth not even if "one hundred of you" disagree and scream your heresy all over Nairaland.

daveP:
What will you be doing now ubenedictus?. Are you saying that he wasn't the lamb of God before he became our high priest? He was no high priest before his crucifixion and ressurection. That happened and was conferred on him after he ressurected pls.


Go back to the prophecies of Isaiah and read for yourself.

After that curtain tore apart, the typical aaronic priesthood was suspended for a new dispensation. That of Christ now the high priest atoning for us since that day.


So yes he is thelamb first before priest. Paul in Hebrews was trying to explain the kingship and priesthood of Christ according to the aaronic style they were so used to.


John didn't utter those words at the river Jordan just cos he wanted to. That was exactly what he was at that period in time.


Lamb first, and since we know the way these sacrifice protocols went, we should both understand that he was led as a sheep to the slaughter. He was still that lamb till the comment "it is finished! "


Still the lamb.... when he descended and took captivity captive, a new role was given him, and that is that every knee must bow. This was the coronation of kingship and priesthood on Jesus Christ bro.


Lamb first, before Priest


Sacrifice must be available before the priest can perform..

there can be no sacrifice without a priest, without a priest, killing the lamb is just senseless slaughter. from the very moment Jesus was the lamb he was also high priest. without him been high priest then his sacrifice is totally useless. the levitical priesthood could never offer the new sacrifice of Jesus, their priesthood was deficient.

Hebrew 7
If perfection could have been attained through the
Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the
people established that priesthood—why was there still
need for another priest to come, one in the order of
Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

that priesthood was too deficient and imperfect, that Jesus had to be the high priest to offer the sacrifice of atonement where he is the lamb.

Hebrew 2;17
For this reason he had to be made like
them, fully human in every way, in order that he might
become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to
God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of
the people. Because he himself suffered when he
was tempted, he is able to help those who are being
tempted.

Jesus Christ is the high priest the offered the sacrifice of atonement not John. the Bible is very clear on this.


Hebrew 7


Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is
holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted
above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he
does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for
his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He
sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered
himself. For the law appoints as high priests men in
all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the
law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect
forever.

the Bible is so clear Jesus is the high priest who offered himself, the priesthood of Aaron was too deficient for such a sacrifice.


even before Isaiah prophesied about the lamb, David had prophesied about the priesthood of Jesus, he said, "the Lord has sworn an oath he will not change you are a priest forever, a priest like Melchizedek"


job cannot feature in this sacrifice, his priesthood was imperfect.

UbiPetrus:

You can go ahead and scream Amen and Yes, brother.

There is no brother.
You are the same individual deceiving yourself.

John was never a Priest.
That truth changeth not even if "one hundred of you" disagree and scream your heresy all over Nairaland.

It doesn't matter if you have thousands of members in your church, if they are not born again by believing in the gospel of the water and the Spirit, they are nothing but seat warmers. But if I'm alone in this true gospel, there is eternal life awaiting me, however I'm not alone. You can learn more about the gospel by going to www.bjnewlife.org

Ubenedictus:


the problem with new age believer of the last days is that they prefer cleverly invented myths of yesterday to the truth and it seems your sect is filled with such.

1. the book of Hebrew says that we have a high priest who chose to be like us in every way but sin, in fact if you knew anything about the old testament sacrifice you would know that the lamb to be killed for the Passover must be placed in the house of those for whom it will be sacrificed for days so as to identify it with them....
2ndly as I explained, God had earlier spoken to John the Baptist that he to whom the spirit fell on as he came out of the water, that was the Messiah, Jesus' baptism fulfilled the word given to John and lastly is an example to us.


the thing that you will never find in the entire scripture from Genesis to revelation is the funny idea that John was a high priest conferring sins on Jesus... that is not in the Bible... in fact the Bible clearly tells us who was high priest at the time, his name was caiaphas. in fact all through the Bible John is talked about as a prophet, the new Elijah preparing the Way for the Lord but certainly not as high priest.

If you continue to reject and stand against the gospel of the water and the Spirit you will only end up attracting the wrath of God. You may personally reject the gospel but if you stand against my work of preaching this precious gospel to the thirsty ones, God will surely bring a curse on you. When it happens you will know I had previously warned you against it. It's never my desire that anyone should receive the curse of God but those who defiantly stand against the authority of God will receive this curse for sure. Over the time, I have been in argument with you, you have woefully failed to answer the Scriptural questions. You are only determined to defend nothing but your church doctrines.
If you claim otherwise, tell me what the Scripture means in (1 John 5:6) "This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth."

What does it mean by Jesus Christ coming by the water of His baptism and blood of His death? Doesn't the verse say that Jesus came with these two things "Water and Blood, and it is the Spirit that bears witness to it"?

Ubenedictus:
there can be no sacrifice without a priest, without a priest, killing the lamb is just senseless slaughter. from the very moment Jesus was the lamb he was also high priest. without him been high priest then his sacrifice is totally useless. the levitical priesthood could never offer the new sacrifice of Jesus, their priesthood was deficient.

Hebrew 7
If perfection could have been attained through the
Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the
people established that priesthood—why was there still
need for another priest to come, one in the order of
Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

that priesthood was too deficient and imperfect, that Jesus had to be the high priest to offer the sacrifice of atonement where he is the lamb.

Hebrew 2;17
For this reason he had to be made like
them, fully human in every way, in order that he might
become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to
God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of
the people. Because he himself suffered when he
was tempted, he is able to help those who are being
tempted.

Jesus Christ is the high priest the offered the sacrifice of atonement not John. the Bible is very clear on this.


Hebrew 7


Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is
holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted
above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he
does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for
his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He
sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered
himself. For the law appoints as high priests men in
all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the
law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect
forever.

the Bible is so clear Jesus is the high priest who offered himself, the priesthood of Aaron was too deficient for such a sacrifice.


even before Isaiah prophesied about the lamb, David had prophesied about the priesthood of Jesus, he said, "the Lord has sworn an oath he will not change you are a priest forever, a priest like Melchizedek"


job cannot feature in this sacrifice, his priesthood was imperfect.

As I have already written I will once again remind you:

Jesus, of course, is the High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek. But John is the last High Priest according to the order of Aaron, because he performed the de facto role of passing on the sins of the world according to the Old Testament laying on of hands. It was written "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."(Matthew 11:13). This means that the baptism of John the Baptist marked the end of the Old Testament sacrificial system ( according to the order of Aaron). John knew why he baptized Jesus, that was the reason the next after he baptized Jesus, while standing with his disciples seeing Jesus walking by, he bore this witness “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"(John 1:29). This means according to the order Aaron Jesus is certainly not a High Priest but rather a sacrificial Lamb.
In Matthew 3:15 "But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him."
Was it not written here that Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness?

Just one day after John baptised Jesus, he saw Jesus passing by and he said to his own disciples “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"(John 1:29)


You believe very well that Jesus came as a High Priest according order of Melchizedek I also do! Now answer this question:
John the Baptist called Jesus Christ the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world after baptising Him, and I have already explained the sacrificial system in this post, so John being a Jew knew very what he meant by referring to Jesus Christ as the Lamb of God. Since the lamb of the sacrifice must receive the sins of the people of Israel to its head before suffering and dying for the sins. If John the Baptist called Jesus Christ the Lamb of God, who then is the is the High Priest who transferred the sins to His head? John couldn't have beared witness that Jesus Christ has taken the sin of the world just the next day he baptised Him without knowing what really happened during His baptism in the Jordan river.

live4dgospel:

It doesn't matter if you have thousands of members in your church, if they are not born again by believing in the gospel of the water and the Spirit, they are nothing but seat warmers. But if I'm alone in this true gospel, there is eternal life awaiting me, however I'm not alone. You can learn more about the gospel by going to www.bjnewlife.org

You have no true gospel. It's all heresy and you are alone.

Christ is the Priest and the victim.

UbiPetrus:
You have no true gospel. It's all heresy and you are alone.

Christ is the Priest and the victim.

Okay! You are accountable for all your vain words. However, I would have preferred if you had disproved the gospel of the water and the Spirit with the Word of God. But you failed to do that and rather chose to attack me because the truth has no place in your sin-filled heart.

live4dgospel:



Okay! You are accountable for all your vain words. However, I would have preferred if you had disproved the gospel of the water and the Spirit with the Word of God. But you failed to do that and rather chose to attack me because the truth has no place in your sin-filled heart.

Attacked you? Stop playing the victim card and get a life.
Disprove with the word of God indeed. Like you can actually recognize God's word when you come across one.

Anyway, UBenedictus has told you all that needs to be told and has given you whatever Scripture you need. But the god of this age has hardened your heart and blinded your eyes, that seeing you do not see and perceiving you do not understand.

UbiPetrus:
Attacked you? Stop playing the victim card and get a life.
Disprove with the word of God indeed. Like you can actually recognize God's word when you come across one.

Anyway, UBenedictus has told you all that needs to be told and has given you whatever Scripture you need. But the god of this age has hardened your heart and blinded your eyes, that seeing you do not see and perceiving you do not understand.

Both of you belong to the same class(the children of perdiction). If you carefully go through the whole comments in my topics I had with your so-called Ubenedictus you will see clearly( if you are truthful and honest) that he failed in everything, so did you. I'm still waiting for someone who can disprove the gospel from the both Scriptures, if you can please don't hesitate to do and stop fooling yourself with someone else failure.

live4dgospel:

Both of you belong to the same class(the children of perdiction). If you carefully go through the whole comments in my topics I had with your so-called Ubenedictus you will see clearly( if you are truthful and honest) that he failed in everything, so did you. I'm still waiting for someone who can disprove the gospel from the both Scriptures, if you can please don't hesitate to do and drop fooling yourself with someone else failure.

Perdition is the word you are looking for. By the way, he is not so called. He is Ubenedictus. You don't have to add arrogance to your ignorance.

Meanwhile, I won't waste my time telling you what you've already been told.
It is obvious what I said about the god of this age blinding your eyes and hardening your heart.

You need the Holy Spirit.
I'll pray for you.

UbiPetrus:
Perdition is the word you are looking for. By the way, he is not so called. He is Ubenedictus. You don't have to add arrogance to your ignorance.

Meanwhile, I won't waste my time telling you what you've already been told.
It is obvious what I said about the god of this age blinding your eyes and hardening your heart.

You need the Holy Spirit.
I'll pray for you.

Anyway it's better as you excuse yourself from what you know you can't do than trying in hypocrisy like your partner Ubenedictus. Anytime you need to know the gospel, don't forget to visit the website www.bjnewlife.org. I will remind you once again that without the gospel of the water and the Spirit you cannot enter the kingdom of God just as Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:5 “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. and He continued to explain to Nicodemus in verse 14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up"

That's the gospel all the apostles preached and we are still preaching right now.
If you bother to know what Jesus meant by water, the Spirit and the lifting up(i.e the blood of crucifixion) check (1 John 5:6)"This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth."
The choice is yours.

Premiumwriter:
I thought Jesus only took our sins when he was on the cross?

I want you to understand that your thoughts are never the same with the Word of God. We must deny our thoughts to believe in the Word of God. Did the Bible say that Jesus atoned for our sins with His blood alone? No, absolutely not! As it is written in
(1 John 5:6) "This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth."
Contrary to your thoughts, the Scriptures say that Jesus Christ came with the water of His baptism and the blood of His death.