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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Tunks2017(m): 6:37am On Mar 08
Good news from Italy for Nigerians for once......... cheesy wink

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Deadlytruth: 8:43am On Mar 08
MonPro:


Igbos actually have the highest population in nigeria. They are the most populated in the East and second most populated in other regions after the indigenes. They are also in EVERY COUNTRY OF THE WORLD.

So tell your dumbohari to conduct a proper census without counting cows and goats like 1st class brains like Odumegwu wanted to do before almajiri bigots like kwankwaso forced him to resign. You can't hide the truth forever, you can't cover the sun with your palm.


As per the bolded; Festus Odimegwu himself would, after resigning, publish a very detailed article carpeting GEJ for really sacking him in his (GEJ's) incurable quest to endear himself to the Hausa-Fulanis ahead of his second term ambition. That alone angered Odimegwu into throwing his weight behind Buhari.
Southerners have always been their own problems.
And it remains so sickening to remember that Jonathan who so much acted against common sense and proprietary in seeking Hausa-Fulani endearment towards 2015 won 2011 without their votes.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by ofai: 10:39am On Mar 08
Deadlytruth:


As per the bolded; Festus Odimegwu himself would, after resigning, publish a very detailed article carpeting GEJ for really sacking him in his (GEJ's) incurable quest to endear himself to the Hausa-Fulanis ahead of his second term ambition. That alone angered Odimegwu into throwing his weight behind Buhari.
Southerners have always been their own problems.
And it remains so sickening to remember that Jonathan who so much acted against common sense and proprietary in seeking Hausa-Fulani endearment towards 2015 won 2011 without their votes.

Don't you see that your efforts in downplaying Igbo are impotent? You no dey tire.

You better tell your sisters and mothers to stop embarrassing Africans in Italy with their harlotry. Shame.
Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Deadlytruth: 10:51am On Mar 08
ofai:


Don't you see that your efforts in downplaying Igbo are impotent? You no dey tire.

You better tell your sisters and mothers to stop embarrassing Africans in Italy with their harlotry. Shame.

You are not really okay. So Jonathan is an Igbo man?
Your ignorance is very obvious.
In fact Jonathan's real tribe is Edoid if you don't know. Google is your friend.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by ofai: 10:55am On Mar 08
Deadlytruth:


You are not really okay. So Jonathan is an Igbo man?
Your ignorance is very obvious.
In fact Jonathan's real tribe is Edoid if you don't know. Google is your friend.

Wetin be edoid? Lol.... Claiming relationship.

Good luck identifies more with igbos efiks ibibios after his ogbia/ijaw ethnicity. But this has nothing to do with issue on ground. When will you stop digressing for once?
Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Deadlytruth: 11:08am On Mar 08
ofai:


Wetin be edoid? Lol.... Claiming relationship.

Good luck identifies more with igbos efiks ibibios after his ogbia/ijaw ethnicity. But this has nothing to do with issue on ground. When will you stop digressing for once?

As for the meaning of Edoid and how it relates to GEJ; you can cure your ignorance here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engenni_people



https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/weekly/index.php/notes-from-atlanta/13466-what-s-really-president-goodluck-jonathan-s-ethnic-group

If you wish, you may search for Jonathan's declaration made the day he arrived Oba Erediawa's Palace for campaign in 2011.


It is no longer surprising that you don't know the difference between digression and tangential topics. Ignorance is really bliss!

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Obi1kenobi(m): 11:48am On Mar 08
Nonaira3:


Oooo what a nice way of bowing out due your inability to defend the stupidity you displayed on here which resulted to you getting laughed and mocked at by others. Sucks to be you. Despite your pitiful attempt to display an act of intellect on here, noone fell for it. People can still see through your cloak and see you as the brainless goat that you are. Hence, you single handily, with zero aid from anyone, made your own self a laughing stock. Must be sad to be the butt of the joke yet you delude yourself you display any form of intellect based on your arguments. I bet you didn't wonder why you were being slapped silly by pretty much everyone you engaged on this thread. Hell I will not be shocked if you deluded yourself into thinking there is someone you addressed on this thread, in which you came out victorious. A senseless monkey that actually delude himself that he's making sense.

What is even the comical thing about you, buffoon thinks the reason for my late reply is to analyze and think of a reply to his post grin grin grin grin ;. Do you honestly think your comment is a post worth that privilege? Do you honestly deluded yourself that that rambles of hypocrisy and stupidity that you wrote was worth that. ROTFLMFAOOO. Now i see why the rest of them have been laughing at you throughout this thread...You truly are a braindead comedian. Nigga some of us are not a jobless he goat that spends his entire day on an online platform arguing left and right like yourself. Some of us have a career..something that is obvious you lack considering how long you stayed on this thread arguing with people since it was opened, only to take a break to sleep. Pathetic! Don't ever delude yourself by elevating anything written by you as something worth a second thought on how to reply. Don't even decieve yourself. You really should take my advice and seek a psychiatrist help. Not only do you have identity disorder filled by your bitterness, you equally displayed signs of schizophrenia through your grandiose delusion. Truly seek a professional help. I'll pray for you

Now go back to getting your ass handed to you by karatos. It is obvious you like getting your ass whupped and dragged through the mud. Go back to being the butt of the joke. It's your calling afterall.

Still foaming in the mouth. Still rabid. Still unhinged. Bitter. Delusional. Incoherent. Witless. grin
You're more than free to ascribe victory to yourself. It's the Internet, baby. An anonymous platform for that matter where we can all be Einsteins in our own minds. I don't debate points for the approval of low self-esteem cretins who disgrace their parents and upbringing on here with mindless tribalistic idiocy. Any window-licking reetard can get approval from his clique of similar-minded tribalistic reetards.
I didn't address that rambling post not because I couldn't "defend" anything, but because meandering, long-winded rabid fits that run into 4 pages on my MS Word are a waste of my time when they can't tackle points concisely. You can kid yourself and coterie of inbred cretins all you want, but that post at absolute conservative minimum took you over an hour to compose and between when I KNEW you read it and hours later when you replied, that must have consumed your thoughts for much of the day. grin

When you make concise points like we were taught to do in secondary school English essay writing classes, I might be bothered to substantively address the points. smiley

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by ofai: 11:51am On Mar 08
Deadlytruth:


As for the meaning of Edoid and how it relates to GEJ; you can cure your ignorance here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engenni_people



https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/weekly/index.php/notes-from-atlanta/13466-what-s-really-president-goodluck-jonathan-s-ethnic-group

If you wish, you may search for Jonathan's declaration made the day he arrived Oba Erediawa's Palace for campaign in 2011.


It is no longer surprising that you don't know the difference between digression and tangential topics. Ignorance is really bliss!

Am so disappointed you used Wikipedia and daily trust newspaper to proof good luck belong to your "edoid" whatever.

More so, he being ogbia/I jaw still has his affiliations (Igbo, efik, Ibibio) and he, GOODLUCK EBELE AZIKIWE JONATHAN isn't complaining. Mr. "Incoherent association-by-force", go and play with your mates. Attaché by force.
Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Obi1kenobi(m): 11:57am On Mar 08
ofai:


Wetin be edoid? Lol.... Claiming relationship.

Good luck identifies more with igbos efiks ibibios after his ogbia/ijaw ethnicity. But this has nothing to do with issue on ground. When will you stop digressing for once?

Google is always your friend, you know. Aren't you one of the Jew-claimers I've tackled before on here now ironically disparaging another person's "claiming"? grin A host of Niger-Delta groups trace their ancestry from Benin/Edo, which you are calling "claiming". Yet, you had no problem claiming Igbos are related to a Semitic group in the Levant with zero evidence for the claim other than mythical fantasies. grin

Who told you Goodluck identifies more with Igbos?

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by ofai: 12:09pm On Mar 08
Obi1kenobi:


Google is always your friend, you know. Aren't you one of the Jew-claimers I've tackled before on here now ironically disparaging another person's "claiming"? grin A host of Niger-Delta groups trace their ancestry from Benin/Edo, which you are calling "claiming". Yet, you had no problem claiming Igbos are related to a Semitic group in the Levant with zero evidence for the claim other than mythical fantasies. grin

Who told you Goodluck identifies more with Igbos?

Igbo wannabe, they have come again. I hope you are done with your jamb studies. You have been noticed.

Hear from the horse's (GOODLUCK EBELE AZIKIWE JONATHAN) mouth:

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://allafrica.com/stories/201309300508.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwij87PiytzZAhXMDMAKHQLYBi0QFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1JR8RiVVk7f-LfQ_27djcS

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by LaudableXX: 12:27pm On Mar 08
Obi1kenobi:
Still foaming in the mouth. Still rabid. Still unhinged. Bitter. Delusional. Incoherent. Witless. grin
You're more than free to ascribe victory to yourself. It's the Internet, baby. An anonymous platform for that matter where we can all be Einsteins in our own minds. I don't debate points for the approval of low self-esteem cretins who disgrace their parents and upbringing on here with mindless tribalistic idiocy. Any window-licking reetard can get approval from his clique of similar-minded tribalistic reetards.
I didn't address that rambling post not because I couldn't "defend" anything, but because meandering, long-winded rabid fits that run into 4 pages on my MS Word are a waste of my time when they can't tackle points concisely. You can kid yourself and coterie of inbred cretins all you want, but that post at absolute conservative minimum took you over an hour to compose and between when I KNEW you read it and hours later when you replied, that must have consumed your thoughts for much of the day. grin

When you make concise points like we were taught to do in secondary school English essay writing classes, I might be bothered to substantively address the points. smiley

Savage! Talk about cutting someone down to size with accuracy! shocked

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Deadlytruth: 12:28pm On Mar 08
ofai:


Am so disappointed you used Wikipedia and daily trust newspaper to proof good luck belong to your "edoid" whatever.

More so, he being ogbia/I jaw still has his affiliations (Igbo, efik, Ibibio) and he, GOODLUCK EBELE AZIKIWE JONATHAN isn't complaining. Mr. "Incoherent association-by-force", go and play with your mates. Attaché by force.

I added a second link because I knew you would discredit Wikipedia, but unfortunately you ignored that second link totally in pursuit of your preconceived notion of truth.
And how exactly is Wikipedia 100℅ unreliable?
You exactly of the one guilty of incoherent association or attaché by force because when I mentioned GEJ, you came and accused me of trying to downplay Igbos prompting me to ask you whether GEJ is Igbo.
Affiliation (which you claim Ogbia has with Igbo) does not mean the same thing as historical origin and language spoken which reflect Edo.
If GEJ is not complaining, then why bring up the issue of his being Igbo in the first instance, albeit falsely?
The certificate you claim to have bagged from a higher institution obviously needs to be re-examined.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Deadlytruth: 12:32pm On Mar 08
ofai:


Igbo wannabe, they have come again. I hope you are done with your jamb studies. You have been noticed.

Hear from the horse's (GOODLUCK EBELE AZIKIWE JONATHAN) mouth:

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://allafrica.com/stories/201309300508.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwij87PiytzZAhXMDMAKHQLYBi0QFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1JR8RiVhttps://www.google.com/url?q=http://allafrica.com/stories/201309300508.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwij87PiytzZAhXMDMAKHQLYBi0QFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1JR8RiVVk7f-LfQ_27djcS


There is nothing in the link suggestive of Jonathan claiming Igboness.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Obi1kenobi(m): 12:53pm On Mar 08
Deadlytruth:


There is nothing in the link suggestive of Jonathan claiming Igboness.

Reading and comprehension is not his forte. Have mercy on him.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by unohbethel(m): 1:02pm On Mar 08
MonPro:
First it was an Igbo Polish senator. Now an Igbo senator in Italy.

Chai Biafra for show zoogeria how to be 1st world country.
can u show me the thread about that igbo polish senator pls.
Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by ofai: 5:44pm On Mar 08
unohbethel:

can u show me the thread about that igbo polish senator pls.

Abraham Onyekwere Godson. Google the name pls

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by DerideGull(m): 6:09pm On Mar 08
SamoaJoe:



Its either you guys are trying to be myopic or cunningly ignorant.

Please brothers lets stop all these inferiority complex that makes us celebrate anything including iddiots and terrorists. Its obvious that you guys didn't read the news well.

This so called Iwobi is [b]a member of a party stirring up serious xenophobia in Italy. And you can also see that he is A member of the anti-migrant League
[/b]
Abum ezigbote Nwafor Igbo. Obughi ihe obula ka unu gana ashout Igbo Amaka Upandan!

Learn to read the news biko. This Igbo man is nothing short of a terrorist! How can you despise your roots and expect to be celebrated? More like "The House Nigga" during the American slave trade. Otherwise what else explains making him a Senator just like that? Nobody should tell me a dint of hard work biko. There are so many white Italians working harder than him.

Anybody who cries about xenophobia has inferiority complex. Again, what is wrong with anti-immigration stance? There is reason countries sue for independence and liberty for sovereignty. If any idiot cannot make his/her country attractive, he or she does not deserve a place in another country made worth living by the citizens.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by ofai: 7:43pm On Mar 08
Obi1kenobi:


Reading and comprehension is not his forte. Have mercy on him.

Igbo wannabe.... We are not responsible for your misfortune.... Sucks not to be Igbo right? Well even goodluck ebele azikiwe Jonathan is more Igbo than wannabes like you.... Lol

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by KratosCorp: 9:09pm On Mar 08
Obi1kenobi:

....
India has never been a "predominant economy" in history or even close to it. That's a strange assertion. Neither were China ever anything more than a regional East Asian power. ...

You make bold assertions on your hunches without any factual or evidence-based knowledge of what you talk so boldly about.

Here's the thing:

The Economist notes:

“Data compiled by Angus Maddison, an economist who died earlier this year, suggest that China and India were the biggest economies in the world for almost all of the past 2000 years.”

http://ritholtz.com/2010/08/history-of-world-gdp/


Here's the supporting visual:

Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Malawian(m): 9:42pm On Mar 08
remedick:
QuotaSystem, today alone, two news of Southerners making Nigeria proud. This is the 3 month of the year and I have not seen a Northerner doing Nigeria proud in global space.

First it was Guinness world record and now this, none of which a Northerner was mentioned...
That's not truuuee cheesy
one was spotted selling suya and asun in London.
Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Obi1kenobi(m): 11:51pm On Mar 08
KratosCorp:


You make bold assertions on your hunches without any factual or evidence-based knowledge of what you talk so boldly about.

Here's the thing:



Here's the supporting visual:

Your chart was already in your earlier link and I'd already seen it. I wasn't disputing their economic size (obviously when both account for 35% of the global population, you have to reckon with their economic size), but the notion of them being "predominant" economies which connotes "preeminence", "dominance" or "control" and I said they were nothing more than regional powers. Regional powers that were both getting conquered by comparatively primitive Mongolian nomads in the 13th century.
The US earned its powerful status by supplanting the geopolitical dominance of Europe's colonial powers and China and India didn't factor in that calculus. That was the point.

To be honest, not sure how we digressed to this point from an article about the house nigga politician. grin A guy who embraces Italian far-right racists as their stooge and became the errand boy of Matteo Salvini, a man who has promulgated explicitly racist (not just anti-illegal migration as many have claimed) views.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by reality1010: 12:42am On Mar 09
SamoaJoe:











Its either you guys are trying to be myopic or cunningly ignorant.

Please brothers lets stop all these inferiority complex that makes us celebrate anything including iddiots and terrorists. Its obvious that you guys didn't read the news well.

This so called Iwobi is a member of a party stirring up serious xenophobia in Italy. And you can also see that he is A member of the anti-migrant League

Abum ezigbote Nwafor Igbo. Obughi ihe obula ka unu gana ashout Igbo Amaka Upandan!

Learn to read the news biko. This Igbo man is nothing short of a terrorist! How can you despise your roots and expect to be celebrated? More like "The House Nigga" during the American slave trade. Otherwise what else explains making him a Senator just like that? Nobody should tell me a dint of hard work biko. There are so many white Italians working harder than him.
Stirring or supporting anti immigration law is not bad if done in a proper way.If for instance he s proposing for a law against the influx of terrorists or a check that would nose up migrants with terrorist tendencies there is nothing wrong with it.He may be safer if he supports a law that would make his place of habitation safe unlike Nigeria where u cannot speak or contribute.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by KratosCorp: 10:25am On Mar 09
You are being played by George Soro's open society stooges in the liberal media.

These are a bunch self-loathing, multi-culture screaming idiots whose ultimate goal is to destroy the western Judeo-Christian culture, break its dominance, and eventually abolish the concept of nation states.

No, my friend, the purpose of the open-border movement is not inclusiveness or peace. The purpose is to divide and control. That's why, despite fueling massive migration in recent years, they put zero emphasis on cultural integration.

In fact, in some places (like Sweden, Germany UK and France) they tend to force the host population to change some aspects of their culture in order not to offend the illegal invaders. But no one requires any cultural change from the invaders.

Basically, something as silly as rape culture is often excused or given a pat on the wrist. And when anyone in the host community chooses to stand up to the liberal madness he or she is quickly labeled a racist by the idiotic politicians or academics, and their often paid or compromised media clowns; and the rest of their jobless lap dogs in the streets/college.

Think critically.

Why is it the "racist party" that fielded and elected the very first black person to the Italian senate?

What were the liberal parties and their lap dogs doing in all the past years and decades?

They were busy just pushing empty rhetorics, right?

Think.

Trying to explain this away or demonize the man and his party is pure madness.






Obi1kenobi:

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To be honest, not sure how we digressed to this point from an article about the house nigga politician. grin A guy who embraces Italian far-right racists as their stooge and became the errand boy of Matteo Salvini, a man who has promulgated explicitly racist (not just anti-illegal migration as many have claimed) views.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by ajumma: 10:43am On Mar 09
very bad indeed
Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Obi1kenobi(m): 12:00pm On Mar 09
KratosCorp:
You are being played by George Soro's open society stooges in the liberal media.

These are a bunch self-loathing, multi-culture screaming idiots whose ultimate goal is to destroy the western Judeo-Christian culture, break its dominance, and eventually abolish the concept of nation states.

No, my friend, the purpose of the open-border movement is not inclusiveness or peace. The purpose is to divide and control. That's why, despite fueling massive migration in recent years, they put zero emphasis on cultural integration.

In fact, in some places (like Sweden, Germany UK and France) they tend to force the host population to change some aspects of their culture in order not to offend the illegal invaders. But no one requires any cultural change from the invaders.

Basically, something as silly as rape culture is often excused or given a pat on the wrist. And when anyone in the host community chooses to stand up to the liberal madness he or she is quickly labeled a racist by the idiotic politicians or academics, and their often paid or compromised media clowns; and the rest of their jobless lap dogs in the streets/college.

Think critically.

Why is it the "racist party" that fielded and elected the very first black person to the Italian senate?

What were the liberal parties and their lap dogs doing in all the past years and decades?

They were busy just pushing empty rhetorics, right?

Think.

Trying to explain this away or demonize the man and his party is pure madness.


Nwokem, nka gosiri na ijemigo... you've gone very far. grin Not just into right-wing orthodoxy, but into far-right conspiracy theories. This means your position is hardened, so I wouldn't even know where to start.
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All I can tell you is that while humanity is far from perfect, believe it or not, a lot of people advocate for the weak and the less capable and the less privileged and the social outcasts, like immigrants and refugees, just because they are decent, empathetic people with humanity who identify or empathize strongly with the suffering and social exclusion of others and not some Breitbart horseshit about "George Soros" and the globalist puppeteers trying to destroy the West and blah, blah, blah.....This is not to say conservatives are necessarily cruel monsters with no empathy or humanity, but that research and surveys have consistenty shown empathy to be a key separating trait between conservatives and liberals.
https://www.princeton.edu/csdp/events/Loewen03162017/Empathy-and-Political-Preferences-Jan-2017.pdf
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/calling-truce-political-wars/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201210/why-liberal-hearts-bleed-and-conservatives-dont

Of course conservative reject this notion even though there is wide scholarly consensus on it in academia:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-conservatives-have-more-empathy-than-liberals/article/2563558

Some find a middle ground by suggesting both are as empathetic as each other, but process it differently and conservatives focus their empathy on narrower recipients of their goodwill:
http://www.businessinsider.com/liberals-and-conservatives-process-disgust-and-empathy-differently-2018-1?IR=T
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/09/liberals-care-more-about-empathy-than-conservatives/380404/

And blacks have participated in Italian politics. Sub-saharan Africans make up 0.5% of Italy's population so it's only natural they aren't plentiful in the political arena. Cecile Kyenge was a minister who was routinely called everything from a mosquito to an orangutan by Lega Nord politicians, the same party where the Nigerian house nigga saw fit to rise through the ranks. There are moderate right-wing parties in Italy which are hostile to immigration without being noxious racists. The House nigga chose one of the most extreme ones where 2 of its supporters in the last few weeks have murdered African immigrants after being fed a daily diet of hate.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by KratosCorp: 3:15pm On Mar 09
You are digressing aimlessly again.

1. Does Mr. Sorrows fund extreme political activism, open border and unrestrained migration through his Open Society org? YES. #FACT

2, Does Open Society demand, facilitate and require the migrant population to understand, embrace, and integrate seamlessly into the culture of their host communities? NO. Another #Fact.

So, my dear, you absolutely have zero case but mere deflections as usual. Don't give me that notorious liberal hypocrisy and virtue signalling craps.

I encourage you to study the history of Multi Culturalism. And stop talking gebberish.

If they truly have empathy for people's plight, then they should get off their fat liberal asses and take civilization, education and opportunities to those folks in their home countries. That's way cheaper and effective than importing them enmass into a totally different culture.

And while they're at it, they should pressure and empower Saudi Arabia and other rich arab nations to build massive refugee camps and take in their displaced brothers. After all, charity, they say, begins at home



Obi1kenobi:


Nwokem, nka gosiri na ijemigo... you've gone very far. grin Not just into right-wing orthodoxy, but into far-right conspiracy theories. This means your position is hardened, so I wouldn't even know where to start.
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.. and not some Breitbart horseshit about "George Soros" and the globalist puppeteers trying to destroy the West and blah, blah, blah...
Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Obi1kenobi(m): 5:29pm On Mar 09
KratosCorp:
You are digressing aimlessly again.

1. Does Mr. Sorrows fund extreme political activism, open border and unrestrained migration through his Open Society org? YES. #FACT

2, Does Open Society demand, facilitate and require the migrant population to understand, embrace, and integrate seamlessly into the culture of their host communities? NO. Another #Fact.

You have an interesting definition of "facts". Regurgitating right-wing tropes (and not even those of serious conservatives, but provocative trolls) is not "fact". None of what you stated is a "fact". Perhaps, if you stepped out of your bubble, it might give you more clarity. I lean liberal, but I follow conservatives like Ross Douthat, David Frum and I've even learnt a thing or two from hardline rightwing polemicists like Ben Shapiro. Clearly, you occupy a far more narrow thought space where all you people do is reinforce each other's skewed views and back-slap each other as members of the tribe.


So, my dear, you absolutely have zero case but mere deflections as usual. Don't give me that notorious liberal hypocrisy and virtue signalling craps.

I encourage you to study the history of Multi Culturalism. And stop talking gebberish.

If they truly have empathy for people's plight, then they should get off their fat liberal asses and take civilization, education and opportunities to those folks in their home countries. That's way cheaper and effective than importing them enmass into a totally different culture.

And while they're at it, they should pressure and empower Saudi Arabia and other rich arab nations to build massive refugee camps and take in their displaced brothers. After all, charity, they say, begins at home

"Multiculturalism" is not an evil word, regardless of what your information bubble states. Neither does it mean it has no limits which degrade social cohesion. The truth is somewhere in the middle, but juvenile people on both sides deal only in polarizing, myopic absolutes. The world's great cities embrace multiculturalism: your New Yorks and Californias and Londons and Parises and Berlins. They embrace non-Western outsiders who contribute to the social fabric, while still being the places you go to to catch a symphony, or ballet, or opera or rock concert or art exhibition or food festivals and other expressions of Western culture.

And many of those liberals do get off their "fat asses". Majority of aid workers, social workers, mental-health workers and those who risk their lives in the Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, war correspondents etc lean liberal in political affiliation. Nobody is "importing" anyone anywhere. Were you "imported" to the US? grin

And all sides of the political divide "virtue-signal". Liberals do it over matters of social justice and tolerance. Conservatives do it over matters like nationalism and a fetish for the armed forces, guns, the flag, religion, family values etc (all hilarious hypocrisies in the age of Trump grin). There is plenty of virtue-signalling to go around. wink

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by KratosCorp: 9:04pm On Mar 09
1. You do realize that it's so not smart to fling the "conspiracy thory" blanket whenever you're confronted with a fact you could not counter, huh?

Anyway, read this about Soros and his Open Society - it's from the UK news media - not from 4chan or infowars: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3743479/Left-wing-billionaire-group-s-plan-use-migrant-crisis-influence-immigration-policies-worldwide-Plans-George-Soros-s-think-tank-revealed-leaked-memo.html

2. I was pretty clear about what the areas of focus should be for any liberal interventions -social works and medical aid did not make the list. Sorry.

3. The cosmopolitan nature of London, NY, Paris and CA was a very organic phenomenon. It was not something that was politically imposed by fiat or legislation. Very much unlike what the liberal nut-heads in the US, Canada and the Western Europe (especially Sweden, Germany, Belgium, France and UK) are now pushing for politically.

4. Being cosmopolitan and embracing the silly notion of multi-culturalism are two different things. First, cosmopolitan cities are known for attracting the best minds and exceptionally skilled/qualified folks from various backgrounds. But multi-culturalism is all about aboloshing the traditional concept of homogenous nation state.

5. The concept of multi-culturalism being pushed by the current left wing movement is a commy rethink which was introduced as a come-back when communism failed to capture the west, due to the west's strong Judeo-Christian moral fabrics and her staunch cultural values. This is why the so called liberals are now demonizing those two pillars and enforcing policies that will help to supplant the western culture and its adherents.

But, ditch your projections.

Nation states aren't going nowhere anytime soon. In fact, we are going to witness a strong resurgence of nationalism in the coming years.

Folks have had enough of political correctness dungs in many places.



Obi1kenobi:


You have an interesting definition of "facts". Regurgitating right-wing tropes (and not even those of serious conservatives, but provocative trolls) is not "fact". None of what you stated is a "fact". Perhaps, if you stepped out of your bubble, it might give you more clarity. I lean liberal, but I follow conservatives like Ross Douthat, David Frum and I've even learnt a thing or two from hardline rightwing polemicists like Ben Shapiro. Clearly, you occupy a far more narrow thought space where all you people do is reinforce each other's skewed views and back-slap each other as members of the tribe.



"Multiculturalism" is not an evil word, regardless of what your information bubble states. Neither does it mean it has no limits which degrade social cohesion. The truth is somewhere in the middle, but juvenile people on both sides deal only in polarizing, myopic absolutes. The world's great cities embrace multiculturalism: your New Yorks and Californias and Londons and Parises and Berlins. They embrace non-Western outsiders who contribute to the social fabric, while still being the places you go to to catch a symphony, or ballet, or opera or rock concert or art exhibition or food festivals and other expressions of Western culture.

And many of those liberals do get off their "fat asses". Majority of aid workers, social workers, mental-health workers and those who risk their lives in the Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, war correspondents etc lean liberal in political affiliation. Nobody is "importing" anyone anywhere. Were you "imported" to the US? grin

And all sides of the political divide "virtue-signal". Liberals do it over matters of social justice and tolerance. Conservatives do it over matters like nationalism and a fetish for the armed forces, guns, the flag, religion, family values etc (all hilarious hypocrisies in the age of Trump grin). There is plenty of virtue-signalling to go around. wink
Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Obi1kenobi(m): 12:09am On Mar 10
KratosCorp:
1. You do realize that it's so not smart to fling the "conspiracy thory" blanket whenever you're confronted with a fact you could not counter, huh?

Anyway, read this about Soros and his Open Society - it's from the UK news media - not from 4chan or infowars: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3743479/Left-wing-billionaire-group-s-plan-use-migrant-crisis-influence-immigration-policies-worldwide-Plans-George-Soros-s-think-tank-revealed-leaked-memo.html

That is exactly why I said you have an interesting definition of facts, You proved it with your link which I had to read twice to try to understand how it supported your "facts" about Soros supporting open borders, unrestrained migration and no integration of immigrants. The entire language of this "bust" is so ambiguous, no position could be gleaned from it. This was the same Soros that was highly critical of Merkel for accepting 1 million refugees into Germany. And Dailymail is renowned as a hysterical rightwing, tabloid rag in the UK - though they mastered a unique art of photo-journalism which at least makes it entertaining. I'm a regular reader. grin

Also funny that Soros, the favourite boogeyman of every rightwing talking-head, was one of the heroes of the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe.


2. I was pretty clear about what the areas of focus should be for any liberal interventions -social works and medical aid did not make the list. Sorry.

The Saudi Arabia part? Why would the "area of focus" of liberals be influencing a bad actor in the region, which runs the most conservative, repressive government in the region and gets coddled by the US government for their petrodollars? How does it make sense for activists to influence a foreign, autocratic theocracy that tolerates no dissent, instead of your own democratic, powerful nation where you have a voice? How does that make sense to you?


3. The cosmopolitan nature of London, NY, Paris and CA was a very organic phenomenon. It was not something that was politically imposed by fiat or legislation. Very much unlike what the liberal nut-heads in the US, Canada and the Western Europe (especially Sweden, Germany, Belgium, France and UK) are now pushing for politically.

4. Being cosmopolitan and embracing the silly notion of multi-culturalism are two different things. First, cosmopolitan cities are known for attracting the best minds and exceptionally skilled/qualified folks from various backgrounds. But multi-culturalism is all about aboloshing the traditional concept of homogenous nation state.

5. The concept of multi-culturalism being pushed by the current left wing movement is a commy rethink which was introduced as a come-back when communism failed to capture the west, due to the west's strong Judeo-Christian moral fabrics and her staunch cultural values. This is why the so called liberals are now demonizing those two pillars and enforcing policies that will help to supplant the western culture and its adherents.

But, ditch your projections.

Nation states aren't going nowhere anytime soon. In fact, we are going to witness a strong resurgence of nationalism in the coming years.

Folks have had enough of political correctness dungs in many places.


Cosmopolitanism and multiculturalism aren't mutually exclusive concepts at all and work in harmony. Multiculturalism promotes the tolerant atmosphere in which a cosmopolitan society thrives. A society without both would basically be North Korea. Why the hell would any democratic society, other than a totalitarian ethno-state, be "homogeneous"? What are examples of the "fiat and legislation" that "liberal nutheads" wish to impose? Sharia law in America? grin

Your no.5 point there is yet more conspiracy theories. "Commy rethink"?
There is far more to the West than so-called "Judeo-Christian" values: from the classical Greeks to the Romans to the Renaissance to the Reformation to the political revolutions and industrial revolution right down to the information age of the 21st century. Western liberal democracy and intellectual tradition has been shaped by its Judeo-Christian traditions, but it was hardly birthed or sustained by it and is irrelevant for the survival of Western civilization.

The rise of nationalism in the West has little to do with the "political correctness" boogeyman. It is spurred by the presence of too many brown and black people (including you) in the West diluting their whiteness. Don't kid yourself about the whole "assimilation" BS. Your colour very much matters in the "white genocide" calculus of the nativists, xenophobes and racists on the right. Herr Trump has already told you he wants more Norwegians and less people from our shitholes, including you. He and his base don't differentiate any more than when he broadly calls Mexicans rapists and gang-members and criminals.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by KratosCorp: 1:28am On Mar 10
Obi1kenobi:


That is exactly why I said you have an interesting definition of facts, You proved it with your link which I had to read twice to try to understand how it supported your "facts" about Soros supporting open borders, unrestrained migration and no integration of immigrants. The entire language of this "bust" is so ambiguous, no position could be gleaned from it. This was the same Soros that was highly critical of Merkel for accepting 1 million refugees into Germany. And Dailymail is renowned as a hysterical rightwing, tabloid rag in the UK - though they mastered a unique art of photo-journalism which at least makes it entertaining. I'm a regular reader. grin

Also funny that Soros, the favourite boogeyman of every rightwing talking-head, was one of the heroes of the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe.

- Soros's OS sees migrant crisis as an opportunity for global political influence.

- Soros admits that Germany's wide-open border policy was refreshing. He only criticized Mirkel's lack of tact on timing and implementation citing how the move fueled Brexit and other anti-open border groups in EU. So, go back and read the articles again, this time very slowly.

By the way, Soros is openly funding political unrest in Eastern Europe, UK and the US. It's open knowledge. Even his home country is viciously against him. Hungary insists that Open Society is not a charity but an instrument for global political chaos.

Recently, even the Russian ambassador to the UK wondered why no one is angry that Soros is pumping big money into a UK group whose aim is to pull May down and trigger the reversal of Brexit - yet everyone can't seem to stop about a few FB ads paid for by a few Russians during the US election.



The Saudi Arabia part? Why would the "area of focus" of liberals be influencing a bad actor in the region, which runs the most conservative, repressive government in the region and gets coddled by the US government for their petrodollars? How does it make sense for activists to influence a foreign, autocratic theocracy that tolerates no dissent, instead of your own democratic, powerful nation where you have a voice? How does that make sense to you?

Really? You cannot influence Saudi Arabia, UAE or Quatar to take care of their own Arab brothers, but you can force the ever empathic Europe and North America to bear the brunt against their wish, else you'd lose the rabid antifa dogs against them, huh? And that makes sense, right? Just continue.

But, by the way, the area of focus which I mentioned earlier, is about taking civilization, education and (economic) opportunities to those in need in their home countries. Not just medical aid. If truly you care for the people, as you claim, then you should focus on working to make every region a better place. Stop the invasion already. Stop uprooting people from their land of nativity and importing them into a different culture where their presence will trigger tension. The only reason you won't do that is because you have another motive. You actually don't give a hoot about anyone.



Cosmopolitanism and multiculturalism aren't mutually exclusive concepts at all and work in harmony. Multiculturalism promotes the tolerant atmosphere in which a cosmopolitan society thrives. A society without both would basically be North Korea. Why the hell would any democratic society, other than a totalitarian ethno-state, be "homogeneous"? What are examples of the "fiat and legislation" that "liberal nutheads" wish to impose? Sharia law in America? grin

You probably have no idea that sharia law is already operational in the UK and many people have been clamouring for the same everywhere in the west.

In the UK, Christian primary school kids are required by the authorities to visit mosques for multicultural interactions on a routine basis. And any refusal from the parents will earn the kid the tag of "cultural intolerance" in her report sheet.

You probably have no idea that in Sweden and UK, your sister would have no right to defend herself from a potential rape, else she may get charged and sentenced by the state for attacking the rapist.

You probably have no idea that you'd have been locked up by now just for some of the stuff you've been posting on NL, had it been you live in France, the UK or Germany.

You just have no idea what's up. Just continue with your liberal delusion.



Your no.5 point there is yet more conspiracy theories. "Commy rethink"?
There is far more to the West than so-called "Judeo-Christian" values: from the classical Greeks to the Romans to the Renaissance to the Reformation to the political revolutions and industrial revolution right down to the information age of the 21st century. Western liberal democracy and intellectual tradition has been shaped by its Judeo-Christian traditions, but it was hardly birthed or sustained by it and is irrelevant for the survival of Western civilization.

Go to Poland, Bulgaria or Hungary and tell them that nonsense.



The rise of nationalism in the West has little to do with the "political correctness" boogeyman. It is spurred by the presence of too many brown and black people (including you) in the West diluting their whiteness. Don't kid yourself about the whole "assimilation" BS. Your colour very much matters in the "white genocide" calculus of the nativists, xenophobes and racists on the right. Herr Trump has already told you he wants more Norwegians and less people from our shitholes, including you. He and his base don't differentiate any more than when he broadly calls Mexicans rapists and gang-members and criminals.

Really? So why are you forcing it? Why don't you stay the heck in your village and make it so damn good that the white will be the ones to start invading every nook and cranny of your ancestral land?
Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Kophschmerzen: 3:04am On Mar 10
KratosCorp:


- Soros's OS sees migrant crisis as an opportunity for global political influence.

- Soros admits that Germany's wide-open border policy was refreshing. He only criticized Mirkel's lack of tact on timing and implementation citing how the move fueled Brexit and other anti-open border groups in EU. So, go back and read the articles again, this time very slowly.

By the way, Soros is openly funding political unrest in Eastern Europe, UK and the US. It's open knowledge. Even his home country is viciously against him. Hungary insists that Open Society is not a charity but an instrument for global political chaos.

Recently, even the Russian ambassador to the UK wondered why no one is angry that Soros is pumping big money into a UK group whose aim is to pull May down and trigger the reversal of Brexit - yet everyone can't seem to stop about a few FB ads paid for by a few Russians during the US election.

The immigrant infested Germany is where your ideal Polish and Hungarian people are invading for menial jobs, right wing nut jobs like you and others are insane.




Really? You cannot influence Saudi Arabia, UAE or Quatar to take care of their own Arab brothers, but you can force the ever empathic Europe and North America to bear the brunt against their wish, else you'd lose the rabid antifa dogs against them, huh? And that makes sense, right? Just continue.

But, by the way, the area of focus which I mentioned earlier, is about taking civilization, education and (economic) opportunities to those in need in their home countries. Not just medical aid. If truly you care for the people, as you claim, then you should focus on working to make every region a better place. Stop the invasion already. Stop uprooting people from their land of nativity and importing them into a different culture where their presence will trigger tension. The only reason you won't do that is because you have another motive. You actually don't give a hoot about anyone.



You probably have no idea that sharia law is already operational in the UK and many people have been clamouring for the same everywhere in the west.

In the UK, Christian primary school kids are required by the authorities to visit mosques for multicultural interactions on a routine basis. And any refusal from the parents will earn the kid the tag of "cultural intolerance" in her report sheet.

You probably have no idea that in Sweden and UK, your sister would have no right to defend herself from a potential rape, else she may get charged and sentenced by the state for attacking the rapist.

You probably have no idea that you'd have been locked up by now just for some of the stuff you've been posting on NL, had it been you live in France, the UK or Germany.

You just have no idea what's up. Just continue with your liberal delusion.



Go to Poland, Bulgaria or Hungary and tell them that nonsense.



Really? So why are you forcing it? Why don't you stay the heck in your village and make it so damn good that the white will be the ones to start invading every nook and cranny of your ancestral land?


You far gone in Alex Jones misinformation wars, dude stop spewing horse sh1t on a public forum. Some folks live in the western nations too and don't believe in your right wing idiotic made up bu11shit. Soros must be giving y'all idiots hell of a sleepless night, y'all see him in all your conspiracy hogwash narratives, when are y'all going to hold the Koch brothers in the same level of scrutiny.

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Re: Toni Iwobi Elected In Italy As First Black Senator by Obi1kenobi(m): 2:39pm On Mar 10
KratosCorp:


- Soros's OS sees migrant crisis as an opportunity for global political influence.

- Soros admits that Germany's wide-open border policy was refreshing. He only criticized Mirkel's lack of tact on timing and implementation citing how the move fueled Brexit and other anti-open border groups in EU. So, go back and read the articles again, this time very slowly.

By the way, Soros is openly funding political unrest in Eastern Europe, UK and the US. It's open knowledge. Even his home country is viciously against him. Hungary insists that Open Society is not a charity but an instrument for global political chaos.

Recently, even the Russian ambassador to the UK wondered why no one is angry that Soros is pumping big money into a UK group whose aim is to pull May down and trigger the reversal of Brexit - yet everyone can't seem to stop about a few FB ads paid for by a few Russians during the US election.

Soros is an immigration advocate, a humanist and a philanthropist and believes the rich nations should do more in aid of the 3rd world (and he's a huge personal donor to those countries) and do more for immigrants and refugees. This is different from your assertion of his advocacy of open borders and unrestrained migration and no integration of migrants. These are cartoonish views of rightists, no different from leftists who think every conservative is some kind of white supremacist nazi. No different from the claims Obama was an open borders advocate even though he carried out more deportations than his predecessors and for the first time in decades under him, net migration from Mexico to the US dropped to negative.

I've read the article again and can't see what you're talking about. That he said Merkel's move was "inspiring"? Of course it was inspiring, but ill-thought. It would be inspiring if I sold everything I have to give to the poor, but society would call me an idiot if i did it while I had children to feed. Compassion for refugees is always inspiring, but there's a balancing act if social cohesion is not to be destroyed. Where is the evidence for your claim that he opposes integration of refugees and open borders. Give one single instance he ever advocated this.


Really? You cannot influence Saudi Arabia, UAE or Quatar to take care of their own Arab brothers, but you can force the ever empathic Europe and North America to bear the brunt against their wish, else you'd lose the rabid antifa dogs against them, huh? And that makes sense, right? Just continue.

But, by the way, the area of focus which I mentioned earlier, is about taking civilization, education and (economic) opportunities to those in need in their home countries. Not just medical aid. If truly you care for the people, as you claim, then you should focus on working to make every region a better place. Stop the invasion already. Stop uprooting people from their land of nativity and importing them into a different culture where their presence will trigger tension. The only reason you won't do that is because you have another motive. You actually don't give a hoot about anyone.

Only high-level international diplomacy and the activism of those Arabs can bring change to their countries. So yes, it is far easier to "force" (if activism is what you call "force"wink your Western democratic governments to do more than to engage repressive, autocratic, head-chopping regimes.
And let's lose this antifa nonsense. There have been far more right-wing terrorists in the US who have actually murdered people based on their extremist political ideology than any on the left. By far. By an absolute chasm. In only one month alone in May last year, these were a few fatal incidents of right wing terror:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/05/30/portland-train-stabbing-suspect/353963001/
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/young-father-run-down-killed-in-grays-harbor-county-campground-confrontation/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-suspect-yelled-racial-slurs-before-attacking-black-man-with-machete/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/05/22/student-killed-university-maryland/335667001/

Meanwhile, Fuhrer Trump was declaring "fine people on both sides" when a far right extremist was driving into a crowd of liberal protesters, killing a woman in Charlottesville last year. But yeah, antifa are the new Nazis for throwing eggs at people, or punching Richard Spencer. grin


You probably have no idea that sharia law is already operational in the UK and many people have been clamouring for the same everywhere in the west.

In the UK, Christian primary school kids are required by the authorities to visit mosques for multicultural interactions on a routine basis. And any refusal from the parents will earn the kid the tag of "cultural intolerance" in her report sheet.

You probably have no idea that in Sweden and UK, your sister would have no right to defend herself from a potential rape, else she may get charged and sentenced by the state for attacking the rapist.

You probably have no idea that you'd have been locked up by now just for some of the stuff you've been posting on NL, had it been you live in France, the UK or Germany.

You just have no idea what's up. Just continue with your liberal delusion.

In Britain, Sharia law is used for guidance on family law, finance and business.

There are councils and tribunals which adjudicate issues on Sharia but there aren't any courts of law. They deal with family and business disputes, issue no punishments and can never supersede British courts. They are only relevant to 2 parties who voluntarily submit to the system and choose to make decisions legally binding (no different from any conventional out-of-court settlements). It's no different from a socio-cultural group like Ohaneze mediating on issues between quarreling members. Islamophobia is all that drives the sharia law fears. There are Jewish Beth-Din courts and Orthodox Jewish Councils all over the world with similar functions, but I guess it's only cool to hate Muslims and not Jews.

How does the bolded even sound real to you? Are you for real?


Really? So why are you forcing it? Why don't you stay the heck in your village and make it so damn good that the white will be the ones to start invading every nook and cranny of your ancestral land?
What does this even mean? Are you in your village?
White people have invaded a lot of lands. From Europe, they found themselves all over North America, and Latin America and Oceania/Australia and Southern Africa etc. Ethnic cleansing and pacification of aboriginal populations to near extinction often followed these settlements. So yeah, a hell of a lot of them need to shut the fucckk up and reckon with the legacy of their ancestors.

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