pantherblack:



you will have to blame God o. Cuase increasecomes neither from the east nor west

gypsey:
Precisely! it also Appears that Religion has taken over the minds of the masses, even politicians are taking Advantage of the situation by making reference to religion ( not that it's a bad thing if it's genuine) their referencies to religion seems to let them off totally from their incompetency to provide Adequate or no services to which they have been elected to provide.

Example, A poiltician asking his constituence to pray, or depend on God to provide them with Hospital treatments while he travels to Europe for medical treatments so you can see

SammieJayh:


That's why I keep saying Nigerians are stupid...they vote based on religious and ethnic bias.

gypsey:
Absolutely! so what can be done to change that mentality? would be the first and imminent solution.

Daraph:
Our tithe money

SammieJayh:


Mass/public enlightenment...which will hardly ever be effective; thanks to the government for the high rate of illiteracy...

How do I tell a Fulani normad to vote a Southerner or an Hausa Christian who is more qualified? He'd rather kill me and vote his Northern brother into power...

pantherblack:



Naah, i beg to differ abit slightly though. Since we have a dysfunctional political system/nation, should we not have a shelter from the storm? Hence the cry for churches to come up and step up to become the alternative. I won't join the stand for my pastor crew, but would rather say this, i rather have factories set up, even as a minister ( I'm a minister of God, like i told you 2 days back), than have it domiciled in the stock exchange with almost less than 2% increment in 10 years, or have it fixed in the bank, when the same billions can set up factories and provide job.

God isn't decevied and anticipated all these problems before hand, which is why Christ said Go into the world, not create self-sustaining instuitions alone, but take the system and structure out and transform society, so yes, people ought to call the ministers, and when they do, we pought to have the answers, when there was hunger in the land, even the Kings shouted out for the prophets (representation of God at the time), so why should people not cry out to pastors?




Plus our heart should also be in synce with God. In the course of ministeral activities, it has become easy tos et up instituitions that mops up money, schools, hotels, oil wells, but our systems have been a reflection that one may say is selfish, if the systems we create is on par with service, then we can say we're on the right track, by this i mean, if we create systems that mops up money, and then on the otherhand create systems that gives out through service provision like factories, then the church has a healthy channel to put the excess fund it accrues, its not right to have 10-20-50 billion and not have a channel for this funds and in panic we start pushing it through invetsment schemes, stock exchange that adds very little impact to the lives of people who also impacted on the minsteries on their way up, no i dont like such a system, a system and its people should walk hand in hand i.e. poor system, poor people, not rich system, poor people.


I saw it as a representative of Heave its wrong to keep setting up structures that mops up fund if we dont create systems that funds can go through and make them become a channel to pass this funds through to ultimately benefit mankind

abiodunalasa:

I have more books in my house than in that library at post office.
The library at Sango have been converted to National Open University.

gypsey:
Yes! people should run to churches if need be! Not swallow entirely the words of church leaders as some of them the church leaders are not genuine, they appear to be in the church business to enrich themselves, I don't Agree that churches should be investing in Oil and gas or Any other profit making ventures because that creates the room for greed and the Dangerous desire to Accquire more personal wealths and distraction from what really a charity/church organisations are about, it would also Attract crooks who portrays themselves as men of God (too many of them recently) as i mention earlier chuches are meant to be vocational and charitable organisations, not a profit making ventures.

pantherblack:



Hmmm @
I don't Agree that churches should be investing in Oil and gas or Any other profit making ventures because that creates the room for greed and the Dangerous desire to Accquire more personal wealths and distraction from what really a charity/church organisations are about, it would also Attract crooks who portrays themselves as men of God (too many of them recently) as i mention earlier chuches are meant to be vocational and charitable organisations, not a profit making ventures.

We have to blame the profitability of charity on God

gypsey:
you seem to blame every humans bad behaviour on God

Clementz0:
WAOW! "HALLELUYAH" IS OUR TRADEMARK! I DONT EXPECT ANYTHING LESS WAOW! "HALLELUYAH" IS OUR TRADEMARK! I DONT EXPECT ANYTHING LESS

OXLANDOWN:
AN OPEN LETTER TO THE GENERAL OVERSEER, RCCG, PASTOR E. ADEBOYE
I am a member of the RCCG who unfortunately has fallen victim of the whims and tricks of one of your pastors, Segun Odewunmi of the Restoration Parish, situated at 223A, Agege Motor Rd., Mushin, Lagos.
The above-mentioned building which has 4 floors was built by my late father, of which I own the 1st floor, one of my brothers own the ground floor and another, the 2nd and 3rd floors. The ground and 1st floors were earlier rented by Union Bank while the 2nd and 3rd floors were rented by Pastor Segun.
The pastor claims he has an agreement with my brother who owns the 2nd and 3rd floors to purchase those floors but has decided to forcefully take over the 1st floor which is mine. I called the Pastor severally to warn him to stay clear of my floor because if he has an agreement to purchase my brother’s assets, such an agreement cannot be extended to encompass me, as we are separate individuals. He rebuffed all my warnings and continued renovation work on the house which he started without notifying me. I contacted several family members and some RCCG pastors to beckon on Pastor Segun to leave my property alone but to no avail. On July 3, 2018, after all pleas fell on deaf ears, I got my lawyer to write to Pastor Segun to stop work in and stay off my property. Still, he did not relent. He went ahead to fix floor tiles, install toilets and sinks, put up some windows. I figured it was best I install doors as he had taken the previous ones off. I bought 2 steel doors, bought materials for installation and paid workers to install them. On Sept 14, the workers got to my property, only to be mercilessly beaten by Pastor Segun and his thugs. The materials, including doors, bags of cement, bags of sand, blocks, tools and other were thrown outside the gate, where some have been taken by passers-by, and others still lie till today.
Being a Christian, I believed the issue could be resolved amicably and I instructed my lawyer to book a meeting with Pastor Segun to hear out the matter. They held a meeting on Sept 21, 2018, after which Pastor Segun brought up an expense list of over 30million naira with a 5million worth of damages included. He claims damages on the grounds that he planned to use my floor for a school and he has restructured the floor to suit that purpose (without my consent). At the meeting, Pastor Segun said he had spent 88million in the renovation of the whole building out of which I have to pay him over 30million for the renovation of my floor (which I never gave him permission to do) otherwise I have no option but to sell the floor to him.
On Oct. 4, 2018, after reporting the issue to the police, I decided to go ahead to install doors again. I bought materials and paid workers to carry out the job. On arrival, my workers discovered Pastor Segun has gone ahead to install his own doors on my floor, affirming his intent to usurp the property. Once again, Pastor Segun called upon his thugs to send my workers away and throw my materials outside the gate.
In light of all these, please Pastor Segun should be asked the following questions.
1. Has he ever had any agreement with me to purchase my property? If yes, when? Agreed price? Date of payment? Form of payment? Sale Agreement? Deed of Transfer?
2. Before he went ahead to start renovation work, did he inform me? Did he tell me the start and end date or the duration of the project? Did he notify me of the extent of work to be done? Did he obtain my consent to alter my floor plan? Did he seek my consent before destroying my BQ?
3. Pastor Segun should explain his intentions why he has refused to desist from working on my floor after being warned formally and informally to keep off the floor. I believe its all an attempt to extort money from me or forcefully make me give up the property to him.
4. The right Pastor Segun has to take over my property and bar my workers from gaining access to it. THE FLOOR IS LEGALLY MINE.
It seems unreasonable and unheard of, that, someone will spend 88million from the coffers of the church on a building that has not been purchased by the church. It is possible Pastor Segun could have made fraudulent presentations/misrepresentations to the church to have such money released to him for his own personal interests, as this still baffles me. I am pleading with the church to beckon on Pastor Segun to leave my property alone and refrain from using his thugs to beat up every worker I send to my property.
I humbly await on the G.O. and the pastors and elders in the church to intervene in the issue and restore my confidence in the church as I believe his intervention in this matter will be with the wisdom of King Solomon.
Thank you.
Your humble RCCG member.
October 12, 2018

You say you are a member of RCCG Have you talked to your parish Pastor on the matter or the Pastor in charge of Area or even the PICP you came here to write a ridiculous letter to the G.O of RCCG because he told you he can be reached through nairaland

you can't even back up your so-called story-letter with legal documents, photos, hard evidences, come on

don't let the devil use you
do things the right way

abiodunalasa:
Fmr Senate President David Mark recently built a multi million dollar *Catholic Church* in his home town... Same town the nearest pipe borne water is 500km away.

Same way 1.5billion was used in building *Ilorin Central mosque*... Same town that has no Library.

What exactly is the function of religion in this world..? �