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A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by babaearly(m): 11:59am On May 01, 2010
I heard a sermon by Pastor Chris some time back, but i cant transcribe everything i heard but the main part i picked was when he talked about Born again christians and sin - that it is not in the nature of a born again christian to sin. Since he has put on the nature of Christ, he is not a sinner, and even if he sins, he is still not a sinner because he is born again. A cec member confirmed it too. Really? Is that what the word of God says?
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by frebike: 1:30pm On May 01, 2010
If a born again or a child of God who is liberated from the adamic nature of sin by the death and ressurection of our lord jesus,commits sin,at that point he is a sinner(1 john 3:8-9,1 john 5:7,rom 6:1,14).i.e sin is a verb,it is the act disobedient unto God.sinner on the other hand,is a noun,it is the name of the person who commit sin.automatically,that person becomes a sinner(ezekiel 33:13).but if will confess and denounce such sin,he will be forgive(ezekiel 33:19).understand that he that continues in sin without an absolute repentance,will end up in hell fire no matter who he or she is in the house of God(john 3:3)or in the world.add me on facebook:azubuike geoffrey
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by petres007(m): 1:51pm On May 01, 2010
babaearly:

I heard a sermon by Pastor Chris some time back, but i cant transcribe everything i heard but the main part i picked was when he talked about Born again christians and sin - that it is not in the nature of a born again christian to sin. Since he has put on the nature of Christ, he is not a sinner, and even if he sins, he is still not a sinner because he is born again. A cec member confirmed it too. Really? Is that what the word of God says?

The bishop of the church at Jerusalem, James, writing to Christians, called them sinners -

Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. (James 4:cool

A friend gisted me that he once heard Pastor Chris say on TV that the first thing he was going to ask James when he gets to heaven will be why he called Christians sinners angry (of course, rhetorically).

I no fit laff  cheesy grin grin grin

Seriously,

I think there's some point in what pastor Chris said here, if what he understands by the word "sinner" is someone who's given over to sin and does not know Christ at all. james on the other hand simply obviously understood "sinner" to mean anyone who sins, whether unbelievers (as its their nature) or believers (though they're not supposed to).

Just my thoughts.  .  .
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Ogaga4Luv(m): 1:59pm On May 01, 2010
I have always known that Christianity is a very bad idea gone wrong. . . .what an interesting thread!?! . A born twice Christian is not a sinner even if he or she sins . don't you think you can tell that to 1 year old child and give you a dirty slap?.

Don't be deceived. . .we can't do without sin as human being. anyone trying to avoid sin is avoiding himself . Sinning isn't a crime or any offense as it makes us feel alright and comfortable . we should learn to be a sinner and Sin with all boldness. . . .i hate it when religious people are pretending and still we are all in the same guter.

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Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by babaearly(m): 2:10pm On May 01, 2010
petres_007:


Seriously,

I think there's some point in what pastor Chris said here, if what he understands by the word "sinner" is someone who's given over to sin and does not know Christ at all. james on the other hand simply obviously understood "sinner" to mean anyone who sins, whether unbelievers (as its their nature) or believers (though they're not supposed to).
Just my thoughts. . .

Thats the crux of the matter. Thats where i need clarification.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Smi1(m): 2:25pm On May 01, 2010
lolxx christians are so confused that's all !, lolxx grin grin cheesy cheesy wink smiley tongue
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Ogaga4Luv(m): 2:40pm On May 01, 2010
Teee heee heee grin grin . i laugh in foreign language of satanic! . here comes out my fellow satanist . . . .s@mi my dear brother you're 100 percent right and i strongly agree with you Christians are not only Confused but they're twisted Confused + condemned. grin grin grin.

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S@mi:

lolxx christians are so confused that's all !, lolxx grin grin cheesy cheesy wink smiley tongue
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Joagbaje(m): 6:07pm On May 02, 2010
To be a sinner is a nature. To be righteous is a nature too. A born again is a man who has recieve the nature of God. He is not just a righteous man , he has become the essence of righteousness itself. If he makes a mistake commting a sin, that has not changed his nature from righteousness . When a Christian does something wrong , he will feel bad and repent. His fault cannot take away his nature of righteousnes because it's a gift . We didn't earn it by good works. He is not a sinner. Paul would never call a Christian a sinner. The only person that will do that is non other but MIGHTY JAMES.
The sinners are the people who have not been born again. A man is not a sinner because of what he did wrong . He was born into it through Adam. We are born into righteousnes and not by our good deed.

Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


God has imputed the nature of righteousness in us. He is not counting sin against us.

2Co 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Mudley313: 6:28pm On May 02, 2010
The sinners are the people who have not been born again. A man is not a sinner because of what he did wrong . He was born into it through Adam. We are born into righteousnes and not by our good deed.

arrogant/ignorant azz christians. u see why alot of people are against the poison of religiosity due to such arrogant azz sense of self entitlement. the jews think they're the chosen one n yahweh entitled dem to sum piece of land thus they got the right to kill n destroy just to fulfill yahweh's promises n all dat bullsh.t. the islamic terrorist believes Allah has entitled em to spread islam even by force n kill all infidels in the process. everyone thinks their god has prepared a place for dem in sum mansion filled, gold paved road city. they say its not a physical but a spiritual place; but it still got material/physical things like mansions n gold paved roads n 4 sum, a bunch of virgins to despoil. the christian fundamentalist here in america will murder n bomb abortion clinics for his god.

now, here u are claiming even if u do wrong u're not a sinner cos u're covered by the silly doctrines surrounding ur man-invented religion. so, if u go massacre a bunch of people or even if u were hitler, u got the excuse dat ur not a sinner from ur wrong becos u got automatic immunity from ur silly religion. u are born into righteousness n dont got to do any good deed no more; live dat for others.

*shake my head* Religion is surely a cancer to the world
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Kay17: 7:33pm On May 02, 2010
nice theology of rubbish. Even the grand masters, ie Paul and James get it confused. another bible reference says human righteous is as worthless as a piece of rag, how come its still a yardstick? sin, sin. the contents change regularly, revenge-killings were not considered sins in the OT, but today, its otherwise. slavery wasn't, now it is. with this ever changing standards, how can one keep up.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by yehmi01(m): 11:23pm On May 02, 2010
Rom 10:1  Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the poster and others like him, that they might be saved.
Rom 10:2  For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. (Paraphrase)

Sin is a nature. Jesus died for the nature called sin. Not for smokers or thieves or people that kill, e.t.c thats y there is notin like big or small sin
once you are saved you no longer  carry the nature called sin. If any man be in christ he his a new creation.

Right there a believer cannot  sin thats y the bible says >>when he falls he will rise when he ask for forgiveness

But a sinner can not pray for forgiveness, once the nature of sin is still present. 
But believers when they fall the blood of Jesus  cries out on there behalf

(1Jo 2:1  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: )
And he knows only those in Him so when his blood that speaks better things than that of Abel cries it does it for those in Christ.
   

Am sure thats its cos of pple like you Elder John addressed you as MY LITTLE CHILDREN. nepils (babes) who no notin about the word

So please pick your bible and Study To show your self Approved.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by eseikharo: 9:08am On May 04, 2010
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Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by FrenchyL(m): 9:18am On May 04, 2010
Hello Beloved,
i have been asked this question before by young believers and the reason was simply that they could not fathom how a christian who commits sin is not a sinner. The bible says in 2 Corinthians 5:17 that" if any man be in Christ, heis a NEW CREATION( One who never existed before)Old things are passed away and All things have become [/b[b]]new"

What becomes new is the Nature of the person who is in Christ and not his or her physical attributes. Some individuals on this thread agree with me in this matter but some still try to figure out Christianity through works, philosophy and ignorance of how spiritual things function because the bible says that" the things of the Spirit are foolishness to the spiritually untaught" WHY Simply because they are Spiritually discerned".(1 Corinthians 2:14)

Christianity is not something that must appeal to your senses or your small brain, God functions in ways that might seem mysterious to those who don't have his nature and who have not been raised and taught the word of God.
The summary of the matter is that[b] A CHRISTIAN IS NOT A SINNER![/b] If this statement is too much for you to take then TOO BAD for you!!  cry
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Chrisbenogor(m): 9:22am On May 04, 2010
You can imagine the rubbish one wakes up to in the morning. I am scared at where this world is going, so I am a christian, then I murder your loved one and ooops the blood cries out for money, jeeeeez what a bunch of simpletons, you guys deserve to be milked dry!
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Gombs(m): 9:29am On May 04, 2010
Its like som pple's job out here is to mis quote pastor chris and criticise him, as for your mis quoting him,i can remember jesus saying in the bible "mind how you hear" and for you ever increasing criticism,Jesus also said "a prophet is not welcomed (recognised) in his own hometown.". . .You guys r worse than the pharisees.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by adetoru(f): 9:37am On May 04, 2010
The difference between a servant or a stranger and a son in his father's house is great,the priviledges given to the son was from birth,nothing  changes it.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Sonofpeace(m): 9:43am On May 04, 2010
yehmi01:

Rom 10:1  Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the poster and others like him, that they might be saved.
Rom 10:2  For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. (Paraphrase)

Sin is a nature. Jesus died for the nature called sin. Not for smokers or thieves or people that kill, e.t.c thats y there is notin like big or small sin
once you are saved you no longer  carry the nature called sin. If any man be in christ he his a new creation.

Right there a believer cannot  sin thats y the bible says >>when he falls he will rise when he ask for forgiveness

But a sinner can not pray for forgiveness, once the nature of sin is still present. 
But believers when they fall the blood of Jesus  cries out on there behalf

(1Jo 2:1  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: )
And he knows only those in Him so when his blood that speaks better things than that of Abel cries it does it for those in Christ.
   

Am sure thats its cos of pple like you Elder John addressed you as MY LITTLE CHILDREN. nepils (babes) who no notin about the word

So please pick your bible and Study To show your self Approved.

You did not read verse 4 of 1John 2, Once one compromises Gods standard and principles that person is automatically a sinner but maybe not condemn unto death(1John 5:17) and know ye therefore that the sin unto death are sins against the holy spirit (which leds to reprobate spirit Romans 1:27, Titus 1:16) while the sin not unto death are sins committed but not against the holy spirit(which can be forgiven if the person in question ask God for forgiveness while on earth) but can lead one into eternal death(Romans 8:13). I have this question for you, What if that your so called believer-sinner did not ask for forgiveness, what will be his fate if he eventually die?
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by chrisja(m): 10:06am On May 04, 2010
The difficulty for people in comprehending this message is that think that it christians can go on and do any sort of wrong, the truth is a christian has the nature of of God that is expected to produce fruits according to God's nature. An act of sin does not change that he has, but if the professed christian continues to live and carryout sinful acts it proves positive that he was never bornagain in the first place. A christian is suppose to bear God like fruit, he makes one or two mistake along the way does change the truth that he has God's nature. therefore as christians we display the nature of God. you can reach for further clarification at chrisja80@yahoom.com
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Rajalat: 10:07am On May 04, 2010
Ogaga4Luv:

Teee heee heee grin grin . i laugh in foreign language of satanic! . here comes out my fellow satanist . . . .s@mi my dear brother you're 100 percent right and i strongly agree with you Christians are not only Confused but they're twisted Confused + condemned.  grin grin grin.

Tell me how's your side. . . .je petit problem avec mon facebook . mais apres je voudre contacte le responsable pour fait la solution demain .


Thanks you're here to share on this. . . . grin grin grin wink


Hummmmmmmmmmmm devil in the house, how could u have allow just small devil take possession of ur thought just hear yourself,
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by chrisja(m): 10:12am On May 04, 2010
Another point to note is that too much time is spent on how to sin and still be a christian. I believe christians should focus on learning and understanding the nature God of that they have and how to manifest the qualities of that nature.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by oludashmi(f): 10:23am On May 04, 2010
Sonofpeace:

You did not read verse 4 of 1John 2, Once one compromises Gods standard and principles that person is automatically a sinner but maybe not condemn unto death(1John 5:17) and know ye therefore that the sin unto death are sins against the holy spirit (which leds to retrobate spirit) while the sin not unto death are sins committed but not against the holy spirit(which can be forgiven if the person in question ask God for forgiveness while on earth) but can lead one into eternal death(Romans 8:13). I have this question for you, What if that your so called believer-sinner did not ask for forgiveness, what will be his fate if he eventually die?

Good question!

Take a look at this scenario, you have a father who gives you all you want and has promised to will his entire property to you IF you continue to be an obedient child. But suddenly, you were led astray by friends and started misbehaving, he called on you to dismember yourself from the bad group but you were reluctant to do so, this brought a communication gap between you and him and you never settled that with him till his death.

Even though you have his genes in you which makes him your biological father, do you expect to have his property? NO!! Because having his property is with a clause or a condition, IF. Or will you say a Christian who died while fighting on the street will make heaven? He will be judged by his last doing even though his beginning was good, how about his end?

Many Christians will end up in the unexpected cos of a rift they never settled with God while on earth even though they might be prophesying and speaking in different tongues but have forgotten that the unforgiven sin remains uncleansed.

In a nutshell, a Christian who sins is still a Christian but with a stain on his white robe which will fish him out and prevent him from dining with the stainless at the occasion.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Acidosis(m): 10:28am On May 04, 2010
The BIBLE says, ''the soul that sinneth shall die''. ''the wages of sin is death''. Some of these pastors are only trying to reframe the word of God in other to suit their congregation, remember that God can't be mocked.

For God's sake, how can a man of God say such a ridiculous statement. So even a man in the faith caught sleeping with another man's wife is not a sinner, God! help us in this end time.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by opribo: 10:36am On May 04, 2010
I am tired of all these teachings that do not have any deep rooted foundation, in as much as I do not want to join issues with anybody can fellow NLanders leave these pastors and their teachings to their members who want to listen. Let no man bring them to a public forum to disturb our sensibilities. Anybody can chose to listen to anything and call it whatever but must you force it down on the rest of us. If you listen and you are hooked with the teaching good for you don't bring it to NL keep it in your house and let it work for you there because if you bring it here free borns will prove you wrong. I have heard them say praying for Christ's sake is wrong and I wonder whose name we should pray is it TB, Chris, or OOO or probably Shango. Man let me hear word. Another one said we should not make the sign of the cross but we can carry their picture around when they have crusade to hold. Na wa if men were God
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by emmboy(m): 10:45am On May 04, 2010
The fact that u cook, does it make u a cook? A cook is somebody who cooks professionally. So for the fact a born again christian sins, does make him a sinner. Do not be sin concious, rather be righteousness concious.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by swizzle(m): 10:52am On May 04, 2010
they are not sinners, they are just "evil doers" grin
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Sonofpeace(m): 10:58am On May 04, 2010
oludashmi:

Good question!

Take a look at this scenario, you have a father who gives you all you want and has promised to will his entire property to you IF you continue to be an obedient child. But suddenly, you were led astray by friends and started misbehaving, he called on you to dismember yourself from the bad group but you were reluctant to do so, this brought a communication gap between you and him and you never settled that with him till his death.

Even though you have his genes in you which makes him your biological father, do you expect to have his property? NO!! Because having his property is with a clause or a condition, IF. Or will you say a Christian who died while fighting on the street will make heaven? He will be judged by his last doing even though his beginning was good, how about his end?

Many Christians will end up in the unexpected cos of a rift they never settled with God while on earth even though they might be prophesying and speaking in different tongues but have forgotten that the unforgiven sin remains uncleansed.

In a nutshell, a Christian who sins is still a Christian but with a stain on his white robe which will fish him out and prevent him from dining with the stainless at the occasion.

I commend your illustration, it was really splendid but i guess you missed the answer to your illustration. If a man's son could disobey him without any remorse or rependance the son automatically disowed himself from his father. From what i know about the creation of man everybody were created/made by one person(Almighty God) but according to Romans 3:23 all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And if that is true, what is the difference btw the prodigal son(unbeliever) and the forgiven prodigal (that disobeyed his father)? Mind you both of them were of the same father.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Acidosis(m): 11:00am On May 04, 2010
Infact, I have also heard many believers praying in the name of their pastors & churches, e.g
God of CHOSEN,
God of our BISHOP, PASTOR, HOLY MARY, to the extent, they do not pray in the name of JESUS anymore.

Hey, can your pastor afford to die for you to live/ can He forgive your sins?
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by JohnKester: 11:05am On May 04, 2010
Ogaga4Luv:

I have always known that Christianity is a very bad idea gone wrong. . . .what an interesting thread!?! . A born twice Christian is not a sinner even if he or she sins . don't you think you can tell that to 1 year old child and give you a dirty slap?.

Don't be deceived. . .we can't do without sin as human being. anyone trying to avoid sin is avoiding himself . Sinning isn't a crime or any offense as it makes us feel alright and comfortable . we should learn to be a sinner and Sin with all boldness. . . .i hate it when religious people are pretending and still we are all in the same guter.



You obviously do not know the meaning of sin if you believe that sin is not a crime or offense.  If sin makes you 'feel alright and comfortable' then you are definitely not fit to be called a human being anymore because it means that your conscience is dead and buried!  

Every human being who is still worthy to be called a human being feels some level of guilt and shame whenever he sins and he knows it that he has sinned. The guilt is prompted by our conscience which seeks to admonish us and pull us towards doing what is right.

You may advocate that people should stop being hypocritical but to tell them to sin boldly, enjoy and be comfortable with sinning is pointing them towards the path of eternal damnation!

Do be careful what your written word for all those you will lead astray with the word will be chained to you spiritually.  You will not be able to ascend yourself as long as there is one still following your wrong sermon.  You will be required to correct the error you sowed in every single one of them and if you do not succeed, then you are doomed!

So I implore you:  DO BE CAREFUL!

To the Poster:

Why are you surprised?  Human beings want to hear such things because they are too lazy to think for themselves.  If the indolent human beings, who in their laziness even pay for prayers to be said for them thereby turning their pastor into an intermediary between them and their Creator; when they choose to believe the unbelievable because it is easier for them, when they raise the pastor to be the absolute and allow him to think for them, then they deserve nothing better than to be led astray by smooth-talking unscrupulous men who are only after the material benefits they can get from the congregation!  It is a pity that the congregation themselves cannot see through the facade put forward by the pastors.  They have only themselves to blame for the power and ability to think was never denied them.  They, on their own, chose to bequeath the right to think for them on their pastors!

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Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by Kay17: 11:17am On May 04, 2010
Check out this faults:

Is stoning an adulterer a sin?

Is revenge killiing a sin?

Is slavery a sin?

Is selling your family member a sin?

Is mass murder a sin?
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by oludashmi(f): 11:18am On May 04, 2010
Acidosis:

The BIBLE says, ''the soul that sinneth shall die''. ''the wages of sin is death''. Some of these pastors are only trying to reframe the word of God in other to suit their congregation, remember that God can't be mocked.

For God's sake, how can a man of God say such a ridiculous statement. So even a man in the faith caught sleeping with another man's wife is not a sinner, God! help us in this end time.

Good talk!
Some so-called pastors will still tell you that a Christian caught sleeping with a lady not his wife is still a Christian and they will even back it up with a verse that suits their mission.

Beware of the end time which is now, cos 99% of pastors now tell people what they want to hear not the truth cos the people wont stay should they say the truth. That is why the bible is made available for all so that you wont have your pastor as an excuse before God and you can ask the Holy Spirit for interpretation if you are confused instead of meeting people who will compound your prob.

I am not surprised that Christians have a verse to back-up every sin they want to hide under and make themselves self-righteous. Afterall, a pastor once said few Christians will make heaven using the bible and majority will make hell using the same bible. Everyone is free to twist it to his own satisfaction.
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by oludashmi(f): 11:28am On May 04, 2010
Sonofpeace:

I commend your illustration, it was really splendid but i guess you missed the answer to your illustration. If a man's son could disobey him without any remorse or rependance the son automatically disowed himself from his father. From what i know about the creation of man everybody were created/made by one person(Almighty God) but according to Romans 3:23 all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And if that is true, what is the difference btw the prodigal son(unbeliever) and the forgiven prodigal (that disobeyed his father)? Mind you both of them were of the same father.
Thanks.

The difference btw the prodigal son (unbeliever) and the forgiven prodigal son (that once disobeyed his father), is that one felt remorseful and guilty then returned to the father while the other never felt he did anything wrong or may even know he is doing something wrong but thinks, oh! daddy understands I cant help but continue being a bad child to him. Not knowing that daddy will never understand anything for him but daddy will strictly take him for what he can see him doing.

For if a child was able to stop his bad character, nothing stops the second from taking the same decision
Re: A Born Again Christian Is Not A Sinner (even If He Sins) by hexcraft(m): 11:41am On May 04, 2010
BIBLE says, ''the soul that sinneth shall die''. ''the wages of sin is death''.
Don't be deceived. If U like Born go reach grave, if u sin before you die. u know the rest.

These Pastors rephrases our BIBLE so as to favour their congregations. Don't forget that they (pastors) need the tithes, special, dedicated and etc offerings from their members, so they have to justify it by appealing to their sub-consciousness., use rhetorical speeches and all antics to win their congregations.

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