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Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive / JOHESU Set To Embark On Indefinite Strike / Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! (2) (3) (4)

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Royle2014(m): 12:08pm On May 11, 2018
Honestly eh. I do believe that this issue at hand, judging from all opinions thus presented and without mincing words, not to come off as being afraid or prejudiced and calling a spade a spade no matter who's feelings would be hurt and being as blunt as possible but of course not without applying wisdom in stating my own observations and opinions... I clearly have forgotten what i wanted to say
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by danilmo: 12:11pm On May 11, 2018
Amarabae:

Ask them why many doctors are opening pharmacy in order to make some money

because we want to siphon any place in the health sector..

see enjoyment na,
doctor open pharmacy shop still open a private clinic, Mhen. see money,

still get crazy with the amount my doc brother is making,

rack cash from his clinic from plenty surgery especially , rack cash from his pharmaceutical shop, rack cash from govt hospital, Choi.. .. can't wait to graduate abeg, moreover my brother didn't employ a pharmacist in his pharm shop, I still remember say na one intelligent guy he just tutor, now the boy self sabi drug crazy like those university trained pharmacist,
his nurses too aren't graduate, he train nurses well in his hospital too FYI and they deliver well..
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Habeeb020: 12:12pm On May 11, 2018
norahs:


Check salaries of nurses, pharmacist, physiotherapist, lab scientist in US and Canada. Yes an attending (consultant) and medical officer earns more but NEVER an intern or resident doctor. They all earn more than interns and regs. Use your internet and stop spreading falsehood.

please show us evidence here or share the link of ur info so we can all see.
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by ttmax09(m): 12:13pm On May 11, 2018
In Nigeria why is it always a medical group or ASUU demanding more money everytime. If any body deserves pay rise it's the teachers, especially those under states nd local goverments. But sha there reward is in HEAVEN pple say.

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Amarabae(f): 12:16pm On May 11, 2018
danilmo:


amarabae, how far u now
I taught u are more clued before Jor.

and so., what if he is an accountant,
so u don't even have respect for other professionals aside health about,

now it's obvious u would have actually done worse to johesu if u av been a doctor..

see hatred .. chai..

beside wen are u leaving this country Biko, a friend of mine in one health tech just graduated as a nurse , Biko she's looking for who she can replace..
I respect all professionals but the stupid guy wanted to cross his limits.
He was looking for fire and got burnt in the process.
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by amacastel: 12:22pm On May 11, 2018
MrBigiman:
Shame on Johesu!
Shame on you

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by amacastel: 12:29pm On May 11, 2018
MrBigiman:


It's already that way dude. Moreover a nurse cannot be specialist in Oncology, she makes no single decision the specialist does. Even if she has spent 20years, a Senior registrar who has spent 3 yrs in oncology should earn more. A Doctor trumps every other person in the hospital, the hospital was built for him and patients troop in to see him. All other thrashy workers should do his bidding or resign. If they want to be doctors they should have passed Jamb. 90% of Lab scientist filled in Medicine at one time or the other for God sake, so also 98% of male BSC Nurses, the non graduate nurses went to nursing school because they were too dumb to pass Jamb, today they want to be on the same salary scale as Doctor. Pure stupidity!
Your comment recks of stupidity, arrogance, ignorance & it shows that you are an empty headed doctor Who can't pass ordinary iv line without the NURSE & LAB scientist helping you out

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Habeeb020: 12:35pm On May 11, 2018
Matters arising from JOHESU demands
What the public must know

Can a judge function and carry out his duty without a registrar or the security man who protects the court? Does that entitle the security or registrar to request to be a judge. Can a police (IPO) stand in court and prosecute? Yes he can within the ambits of the law and where there us no state counsel, can he then seek to become a judge or a lawyer?. The Doctors negotiated COMESS for doctors the government in its wisdom used it to implement CONHESs for other healthcare workers albeit even narrowing the previous relativity. The Non medical health workers want relativity abrogated over night even though doctors grumbled at the gap narrowing but kept quiet. They want to also become CMDs setting aside a supreme court judgement which laid to rest the term "medically qualified" as enshrined in the teaching hospitals board reconstitution act.
Be informed.
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by emmanuelex1(m): 12:38pm On May 11, 2018
emmanuelex1:
Please what do you mean by hospital support staff? CHAI NIGERIA IS FINISHED. YOU MEAN HEALTHCARE PRACTITIONERS. YOU MEAN A PHARMACIST, MEDICAL LAB SCIENTIST, DIETITIAN AND NURSES WENT TO THE SCHOOL TO SUPPORT THE HOSPITAL AND NOT CARE FOR PATIENT. INFACT YOU ARE MAD AND THERE IS NO POINT READING YOUR TRASH TO THE END. MY FAMILY DOCTOR TOLD ME THAT DOCTORS DELIBERATE LIMITED THE PRACTICE OF OTHER PROFESSIONS SO AS TO LOOK SUPERIOR.
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by amacastel: 12:38pm On May 11, 2018
CSTR1003:

A whole pharmacist is a mere support staff?

Pharmacy used to be a prestigious course. Has that changed?
My der don't mind the empty head Dr
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by amacastel: 12:41pm On May 11, 2018
frankpro27:


That's the problem. U guys always think dat j knw it all Nd others ar dumb. Aside surgery, a hospital will run perfectly well without a doctor. Take that to the bank.
Anesthetic nurse, Peri op nurse can perform surgery clean without a doctor, in fact we correct them most times in surgery
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by emmanuelex1(m): 12:43pm On May 11, 2018
TELL ME WHAT THE SECURITY MAN STUDIED IN THE UNIVERSITY? I GUESS SECURITY LAW. DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE A FOOL? PLEASE GO FOR BRAIN CHECK. THE LEGAL AND MEDICAL INDUSTRY HAS NO RELATION WITH REGARDS TO THE MATTER ON GROUND. DOCTORS SHOULD MIND THEIR PROFESSION AND LEAVE OTHER PROFESSION TO GROW.
Habeeb020:

Matters arising from JOHESU demands
What the public must know

Can a judge function and carry out his duty without a registrar or the security man who protects the court? Does that entitle the security or registrar to request to be a judge. Can a police (IPO) stand in court and prosecute? Yes he can within the ambits of the law and where there us no state counsel, can he then seek to become a judge or a lawyer?. The Doctors negotiated COMESS for doctors the government in its wisdom used it to implement CONHESs for other healthcare workers albeit even narrowing the previous relativity. The Non medical health workers want relativity abrogated over night even though doctors grumbled at the gap narrowing but kept quiet. They want to also become CMDs setting aside a supreme court judgement which laid to rest the term "medically qualified" as enshrined in the teaching hospitals board reconstitution act.
Be informed.

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by dokiOloye(m): 12:47pm On May 11, 2018
Amarabae:
we Nurses love it like that.
Johesu is fighting fg, you malaria and typhoid specialists carry una busy body enter.
That cleaner you are seeing as nobody is somebody and deserves respect which you people are not taught about in the medical school.

Your inferiority complex is palpable.
Its not too late to go back to med sch.
After all,the 2 of my classmates who were close to my father's agemate were nurses.
They knew d difference and went back to med sch.
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Amarabae(f): 12:56pm On May 11, 2018
dokiOloye:


Its not too late to go back to med sch.
After all,the 2 of my classmates who were close to my father's agemate were nurses.
They knew d difference and went back to med sch.
My comment indeed pepper you for body.

They went back to medical school because nursing was not their calling.
Nursing is a calling and I am over proud of my profession.
And I am rounding up my post graduate programs in it.
All these "go back to medical school".slur is boring.
grin grin
I expect you to know that by now.
Okikpo
Go outside and compete with foreign doctors.
I heard some of you are taxi drivers in Canada.
Local champions

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by monex(m): 12:57pm On May 11, 2018
obstead200:
nonsense!!!
I no be doctor. Non of my family members are doctors. In fact some of them are johesu members. But I agree fully with the doctors on this. RELATIVITY IS SACROSANCT.

If u wanna be treated like a doctor, then just go and become a doctor!! Make we just stop all this ego and arm twisting. That is what is taking us backwards in this country.

Aa a chartered accountant and a masters degree holder with over a decade professional experience, I will find it very annoying if someone who has a mere B.sc accounting plus few years experience is placed on the same level and salary scale as myself in an office. The same situation applies here

they do not start at the same grad. It takes others about 10 years to get to entry level physician grade. they are not asking to start at the same grade. they were asking for salary increase.

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Habeeb020: 12:59pm On May 11, 2018
amacastel:

Anesthetic nurse, Peri op nurse can perform surgery clean without a doctor, in fact we correct them most times in surgery


When the patient dies u then put the blame on doctors.Quacks everywhere.May God save Nigerian health system.
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Dnaz(m): 1:38pm On May 11, 2018
This is all I have to say

Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Thanks18(m): 1:42pm On May 11, 2018
MY RESPONSE TO THE ENEMY OF JOHESU
1. What is the meaning of the word `medical´ when it is used to refer to a group of profesional?
2. Are Physicians (they are being called ``doctors´´ which is an honorary title. Only PhD holder is fit to be called a `doctor´) not Health Workers?
3. Who do they refer to as ``non-medical professionals´´? Nurses, Pharmacists, Medical Laboratory Scientists or Physiotherapists?
4. Who is fit to head health sector? Physicians have been heading health sector but it is still a shame that Nigeria Health Care Delivery is ranked one of the lowest.
5. Who should determine the wages or salary? Government or Physicians?
6. What profesional courses are needed to be qualified as a ``medical profesional´ that Nurses, Medical Lab Scientists, Physiotherapists and Pharmacists have not ben exposed to during their undergraduate and post-graduate programs?
7. Can any health professional work in isolation? If No, how should each be paid? Based on input/output or grandiose salary scale?
Physicians are not the head of other professional workers. We are all equal contributors to the health care delivery. To think otherwise is a Delusion of Grandiosis.
WE ARE YET TO GET IT RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY AS CITIZENS. PUBLIC SHOULD BE WELL INFORMED THAT PHYSICIANS ARE NOT THE HEAD OF ANY OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL (NursesNurses, Medical Lab Scientists, Physiotherapists and Pharmacists). Their position is purely ARROGATORY.

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by mysteryman2014: 1:43pm On May 11, 2018
MrBigiman:


There is a cry for doctors shortage in UK, sweden, Germany, and UAE. Have ever wondered why there's no such cry for lab scientist and pharmacists. Do the maths, Doctors are the most important in the equation in the health sector and they'll always be in high demand the world over. Thats just how the life is, nothing will change it. If anyone hates it, then go back to school and study Medicine.

Your always economical with t h e truth, qualified Nurses are not in demand abi?

Treat everyone with professional respect period.
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by MrBigiman: 1:53pm On May 11, 2018
mysteryman2014:


Your always economical with t h e truth, qualified Nurses are not in demand abi?

Treat everyone with professional respect period.

Doctors shortage in Sweden, in UK and US. Show me any article on lab scientist or pharmacist shortage. FYI it's only in Nigeria we do things stupidly, no other country in the world runs nursing for 5yrs. Most or 3 and max 4yrs, even lab science. Nigeria only increase the years so that these semiprofessionals can ask for a high entry point at work, as those long years are baseless. There is no nursing shortage anywhere. In the USA even Accountants do a 6months to 1 year course and become nurses. Ask Dekunle Fuji, Reginia Askia etc, because it's a semi skilled labour.

Today in Eku, Johesu rushed into the hospital, pursued all the patients and Doctors and put the hospital under lock and keys. Is that part of the greedy strike too. If u were that indespensible, stay at home, not come to the hospital to lock the place up, it's not ur property.

Lab scientist are mostly touts, nurses are mostly uneducated, and pharmacists are respected professionals mingling with hoodlums and de-educating themselves.

It's a shame, but that's were we find ourselves.

Mr Bigiman

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by MrBigiman: 2:02pm On May 11, 2018
danilmo:


because we want to siphon any place in the health sector..

see enjoyment na,
doctor open pharmacy shop still open a private clinic, Mhen. see money,

still get crazy with the amount my doc brother is making,

rack cash from his clinic from plenty surgery especially , rack cash from his pharmaceutical shop, rack cash from govt hospital, Choi.. .. can't wait to graduate abeg, moreover my brother didn't employ a pharmacist in his pharm shop, I still remember say na one intelligent guy he just tutor, now the boy self sabi drug crazy like those university trained pharmacist,
his nurses too aren't graduate, he train nurses well in his hospital too FYI and they deliver well..

Why u dey cast ur brother, if he is really your brother?
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Bukunmi95: 2:03pm On May 11, 2018
HaneefahRN:



Such stup.idity in just a post. The dumbo is obvious


It appears that you also wanted to study medicine ..but Unfortunately you were not intelligent enough to have passed the exams involved! n that's why youre hating Doctors so bitterly ....Why not just try n put your shit together n start to make sense of whats left of your life enormously entrenched in bile!
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by IBBG(m): 2:08pm On May 11, 2018
tongue
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Bukunmi95: 2:42pm On May 11, 2018
SuperS1Panther:
Govt should just close down all public hospitals.

The unnecessary rivalry between the different professionals in the health sector is unhealthy and insane.



n when the hospitals have been closed down by the FG... then patient should come to your abode for medical care abi?? what you guys spill out sef... I wonder'
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Bukunmi95: 2:51pm On May 11, 2018
amacastel:

Anesthetic nurse, Peri op nurse can perform surgery clean without a doctor, in fact we correct them most times in surgery


I marvel at how naive the writer of this text is tho' A nurse perform surgery ? Its not even within your work jurisdiction... little wonder you ppl want to be receiving salaries equal to that of doctors ... over sabi!! n when complications of your surgeries arise they send them to doctors n when mortality occurs, they say doctors know nothing. Surgery is not part of your work! stay put to where you have been put! do your very own work! n get paid in accordance to your work!
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by monex(m): 2:51pm On May 11, 2018
bornolowu:
the fault with this is that a laboratory scientist cannot make a diagnosis (trust me there are serious conditions that require the expertise of a doctor to diagnose ) a lab scientist is not trained enough to make diagnosis ...same for a radiographer etc.. for example optometrist own stores everywhere where they claim to treat eye conditions, but unfortunately, they can only cut you glass for refractive errors . They direct the patient tto go meet the ophthalmologist . There is no need duplicating profession. As it is everwhere in the world, if you want to make diagnosis, lead a department o hospital, go to the university, study medicine and surgery as same goes everywhere in the world, nigeria will not be different.

In my office, we always see Optometrists for treatment of eye infections, diagnosing eye ailments and prescribing glasses. We have never had need for surgery so never been referred to an ophthalmologist.

Your term "cut you glass" for refractive errors has a derogatory undertone.

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by monex(m): 2:54pm On May 11, 2018
ubergold:


Thanks for your civil response, says a lot about your profession. Back to the matter, every medical professional in a hospital feels they have a right to advance their career to the position of a medical director someday which is very debatable. However, this dichotomy has been there for a very long time and not just restricted to Nigeria alone. Medical doctors have always come out on top as far as this battle is concerned, can you tell me why?
it makes sense that a non-physician cannot be a medical director except the role is mostly administrative.

My office has a CMD for all the clinics, while each clinic has a clinic admin in addition to 3 doctors.

the doctors report professionally to the CMD while they report administratively to the clinic Admin. The previous clinic admin wasnt even a health professional sef
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Bukunmi95: 2:55pm On May 11, 2018
Amarabae:

My comment indeed pepper you for body.

They went back to medical school because nursing was not their calling.
Nursing is a calling and I am over proud of my profession.
And I am rounding up my post graduate programs in it.
All these "go back to medical school".slur is boring.
grin grin
I expect you to know that by now.
Okikpo
Go outside and compete with foreign doctors.
I heard some of you are taxi drivers in Canada.
Local champions




Lol guy Lol..... if doctors are taxi drivers then nurses are Top surgeons abi ... Lol guy Lol.

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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Hairyrapunzel: 3:04pm On May 11, 2018
Jman06:
Your stupidity is legendary!
The problem is that you don't know other roles of the pharmacists in the hospital setting outside handing out dispensed drugs to patients.

Do you know that some drugs are prepared right there in the pharmacy department?? Do you know that you don't just hand out a drug to a patient, you counsel the patient and follow up his/her treatment by ensuring adherence to the prescription.
Do you know that pharmacists are supposed to go on rounds in the hospital to monitor in-patients on how they respond to drug therapy?? Afterwards, they communicate with the physicians on possible adjustments to be made??

Your ignorance is why many patients keep dying avoidable deaths in our hospitals due to drug misuse. How i wish pharmacists would begin to point out numerous prescription blunders physicians make in our hospitals to the public, may be then you would get to know their importance in the hospitals. But they would rather cover up your aszes.

I am not arguing drug preparation with you don't ever say you are the same with medical doctors who don't perform surgeries.
Can you grade murmurs? Do you even know the uses of a stethoscope? The answer is no. Don't compare yourself to a physician.
That's how you guys will lie and say you are medical doctors when you don't know what patient management is.
Everything in medicine isn't all about drugs.
What's paining you? That I said you are not a medical doctor? Are you one before? See someone that says he is sensible doesn't even know his job description.

Can you make diagnosis? No
Can you confirm and certify a person dead? No
Can you carry out a treatment plan on a patient? No

Doing these ones don't involve doing surgeries. You can't even do them and yet you say you are the same with medical doctors who don't perform surgeries.
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by monex(m): 3:07pm On May 11, 2018
bornolowu:
someone finishes the PHD from a university calls himself a doctor as he has finished his doctorate degree..the world has come to accept this terms but they are all borrowed words from medicine so also is the word consultant.

you are the ignorant one my friend.

the word Doctor as opposed to Physician did not originate from Medicine. It simply means "teacher" and has been used for ages.
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Hairyrapunzel: 3:07pm On May 11, 2018
Jman06:
Your stupidity is legendary!
The problem is that you don't know other roles of the pharmacists in the hospital setting outside handing out dispensed drugs to patients.

Do you know that some drugs are prepared right there in the pharmacy department?? Do you know that you don't just hand out a drug to a patient, you counsel the patient and follow up his/her treatment by ensuring adherence to the prescription.
Do you know that pharmacists are supposed to go on rounds in the hospital to monitor in-patients on how they respond to drug therapy?? Afterwards, they communicate with the physicians on possible adjustments to be made??

Your ignorance is why many patients keep dying avoidable deaths in our hospitals due to drug misuse. How i wish pharmacists would begin to point out numerous prescription blunders physicians make in our hospitals to the public, may be then you would get to know their importance in the hospitals. But they would rather cover up your aszes.

I am not arguing drug preparation with you don't ever say you are the same with medical doctors who don't perform surgeries.
Can you grade murmurs? Do you even know the uses of a stethoscope? The answer is no. Don't compare yourself to a physician.
That's how you guys will lie and say you are medical doctors when you don't know what patient management is.
Everything in medicine isn't all about drugs.
What's paining you? That I said you are not a medical doctor? Are you one before? See someone that says he is sensible doesn't even know his job description.

Can you make diagnosis? No
Can you confirm and certify a person dead? No
Can you carry out a treatment plan on a patient? No

Doing these ones don't involve doing surgeries. You can't even do them and yet you say you are the same with medical doctors who don't perform surgeries.

Preparing drug is not equivalent to managing a Patient o
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by jnrremedy(m): 3:18pm On May 11, 2018
Everybody is selfish in the medical world
Even in JOHESU itself there is infighting each body fighting for their own selfish interest
B.Sc Nurse fighting with Registered nurse
Lab scientist chasing Biochemist microbiologist out of the medical world
etc
Everyone of them is selfish
In fact all health unions should be scrapped

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