I have been laughing here. U guys should finish your schooling and start practicing. You would not have the time for these kinda arguments because all you ll be thinking about is money and how to foot bills and probably how to japa. . Lastly, we must learn to have mutual respect for our proffessional uniqueness and learn to syneragize our areas of strengths in training rather than being unnecessarily competitive. The med Drs are great guys, pharmacists are great guys aswell; all working to make the patient better and healthy.
On a side note, Danilo approached the case you presented better. You do not treat symptoms but you must manage a patient in line with the root cause of the symptoms. Different conditions could present with similar symptoms but require different management approach hence, we have what they call a diffrential diagnosis in clinical practice. These arguements arent necessary though . A med doctor may need to seek a pharmacist opinion in situations where he's doubtful about the application of a drug for a pt's condition and i guess that's where a clinical pharmacists comes in and i think they would have the necessary training to deliver as regards that role and i see no big deal for a med Dr to do that. Let's not allow EGO deprive pts seeking care from getting the best . Health professionals are not competitors but rather, a team . Make una go study una book jare , do graduate from school

optm:
I have been laughing here. U guys should finish your schooling and start practicing. You would not have the time for these kinda arguments because all you ll be thinking about is money and how to foot bills and probably how to japa. . Lastly, we must learn to have mutual respect for our proffessional uniqueness and learn to syneragize our areas of strengths in training rather than being unnecessarily competitive. The med Drs are great guys, pharmacists are great guys aswell; all working to make the patient better and healthy.
On a side note, Danilo approached the case you presented better. You do not treat symptoms but you must manage a patient in line with the root cause of the symptoms. Different conditions could present with similar symptoms but require different management approach hence, we have what they call a diffrential diagnosis in clinical practice. These arguements arent necessary though . A med doctor may need to seek a pharmacist opinion in situations where he's doubtful about the application of a drug for a pt's condition and i guess that's where a clinical pharmacists comes in and i think they would have the necessary training to deliver as regards that role and i see no big deal for a med Dr to do that. Let's not allow EGO deprive pts seeking care from getting the best . Health professionals are not competitors but rather, a team . Make una go study una book jare , do graduate from school

Chief,

No mind us, we have ego issues, But sometimes u need to show what u use to pass someone dragging same level with u, u may have no choice..like u said, wen we graduate and start paying bills no one will have the time . Me as a student I respect other health workers, I work with nurses, many of them are as old as my mother and we work together in managing patient, they are even cool to ask we student questions, they b like my doctor what abt this and that and we explain even as a student, me too I ask them because they are more experience almost 20 years in that unit. So they are skilled, I learn many from them in each unit, Doctors gather so many of these skills , infact many don't know the Academics basis, they only know the skills, immediately they show us the skill, we reason out the bases and say wow, no wonder and we both learn. Plus the excess from our senior Resident and consultant.

But u see phamarcist? They feel since they produce drug it means automatically they Sabi how to use it, nobody is dragging drug production and dispense with them but u see the HOW to use the drug is a bitter pill they need to swallow we are more oriented there.

To even say nurain150 is a clinical pharmacist ( advance level like residency) gave that toxic treatment and was hoping telling me he is going to burst my bubble, mtch , I'm dissapointed to say the least and I'm happy he can't delete so that others can come and see and read the nonscence , How much more the phamarcist student still in school like Jman06 still learning crub, saying because he knows drug production and pharcognolsy means he knows drug than a Medic. The guy was running mouth in the other thread that clinical pharmacist will b doing ward round with doctors, I was like why, to come and move drug stuff that is the least of our problem with us? Where year 4 female medic student will be laughing at ur foolery
These things are just theory and wish, not realistic to join doctors round where all we do is move stuff live with respect to index patient, no b matter of textbook again.


One thing they should know is the reason why we know how to use drug more is the fact that medic are subjected to learn Pharmacology pathology, do clinic and apply it, see the side effects life, jman06 and co pharm knows side effects base on what textbook rigidly to him, he has not seen or try to reverse any side effects before. Na why we know am pass them, it's a bitter pill they should swallow..

@the bolded , instead of me to go and meet a pharmacist for drug matter, I LL rather meet my colleague in other unit, maybe I'm in Surgery unit and I need drug for my patient with GIT technicality, I LL rather meet my colleague doctor in GIT to help me review my patient and they LL even give better specialist drug advise and treatment management plan.. not about ego, it's advisable and better that way. I can only meet phamarcist to ask for brand discrepancy.

A pharmacist can't know drug more than those doctors who specializes in that system unit. U can't know GIT drug more than gastroenterologist now, these are the people I LL go and meet, they in GIT too come to meet others in other unit, e.g a GIT pregnant patient having pregnancy complications will send consult to O &G resident and give drug management, wating pharmacist Sabi abt drug management

Jman06 JJC told me in one other thread to meet him physically abt drug meanwhile i have pharmacy friend who are in their final, we discuss and argue, re agree alot... Jjc like him.

Doctors don't usually encroach other peoples lane, it is they who want to be doctor by proxy who end up embarrassing themselves,

Sorry we had to quote u in our mess. Bow to ur approach bro.

God I really don't want to engage in this again

danilmo:


Chief,

No mind us, we have ego issues, But sometimes u need to show what u use to pass someone dragging same level with u, u may have no choice..like u said, wen we graduate and start paying bills no one will have the time . Me as a student I respect other health workers, I work with nurses, many of them are as old as my mother and we work together in managing patient, they are even cool to ask we student questions, they b like my doctor what abt this and that and we explain even as a student, me too I ask them because they are more experience almost 20 years in that unit. So they are skilled, I learn many from them in each unit, Doctors gather so many of these skills , infact many don't know the Academics basis, they only know the skills, immediately they show us the skill, we reason out the bases and say wow, no wonder and we both learn. Plus the excess from our senior Resident and consultant.

But u see phamarcist? They feel since they produce drug it means automatically they Sabi how to use it, nobody is dragging drug production and dispense with them but u see the HOW to use the drug is a bitter pill they need to swallow we are more oriented there.

To even say nurain150 is a clinical pharmacist ( advance level like residency) gave that toxic treatment and was hoping telling me he is going to burst my bubble, mtch , I'm dissapointed to say the least and I'm happy he can't delete so that others can come and see and read the nonscence , How much more the phamarcist student still in school like Jman06 still learning crub, saying because he knows drug production and pharcognolsy means he knows drug than a Medic. The guy was running mouth in the other thread that clinical pharmacist will b doing ward round with doctors, I was like why, to come and move drug stuff that is the least of our problem with us? Where year 4 female medic student will be laughing at ur foolery
These things are just theory and wish, not realistic to join doctors round where all we do is move stuff live with respect to index patient, no b matter of textbook again.


One thing they should know is the reason why we know how to use drug more is the fact that medic are subjected to learn Pharmacology pathology, do clinic and apply it, see the side effects life, jman06 and co pharm knows side effects base on what textbook rigidly to him, he has not seen or try to reverse any side effects before. Na why we know am pass them, it's a bitter pill they should swallow..

@the bolded , instead of me to go and meet a pharmacist for drug matter, I LL rather meet my colleague in other unit, maybe I'm in Surgery unit and I need drug for my patient with GIT technicality, I LL rather meet my colleague doctor in GIT to help me review my patient and they LL even give better specialist drug advise and treatment management plan.. not about ego, it's advisable and better that way. I can only meet phamarcist to ask for brand discrepancy.

A pharmacist can't know drug more than those doctors who specializes in that system unit. U can't know GIT drug more than gastroenterologist now, these are the people I LL go and meet, they in GIT too come to meet others in other unit, e.g a GIT pregnant patient having pregnancy complications will send consult to O &G resident and give drug management, wating pharmacist Sabi abt drug management

Jman06 JJC told me in one other thread to meet him physically abt drug meanwhile i have pharmacy friend who are in their final, we discuss and argue, re agree alot... Jjc like him.

Doctors don't usually encroach other peoples lane, it is they who want to be doctor by proxy who end up embarrassing themselves,

Sorry we had to quote u in our mess. Bow to ur approach bro.

God I really don't want to engage in this again

Says the one who learnt surgery through apprentice.

I didn't delete anything, I left it for future generations to see your.....

My man of honour already in field have time answering you.

optm:
I have been laughing here. U guys should finish your schooling and start practicing. You would not have the time for these kinda arguments because all you ll be thinking about is money and how to foot bills and probably how to japa. . Lastly, we must learn to have mutual respect for our proffessional uniqueness and learn to syneragize our areas of strengths in training rather than being unnecessarily competitive. The med Drs are great guys, pharmacists are great guys aswell; all working to make the patient better and healthy.
On a side note, Danilo approached the case you presented better. You do not treat symptoms but you must manage a patient in line with the root cause of the symptoms. Different conditions could present with similar symptoms but require different management approach hence, we have what they call a diffrential diagnosis in clinical practice. These arguements arent necessary though . A med doctor may need to seek a pharmacist opinion in situations where he's doubtful about the application of a drug for a pt's condition and i guess that's where a clinical pharmacists comes in and i think they would have the necessary training to deliver as regards that role and i see no big deal for a med Dr to do that. Let's not allow EGO deprive pts seeking care from getting the best . Health professionals are not competitors but rather, a team . Make una go study una book jare , do graduate from school

Yeah oo we are still in school. I once saw a video of a medical student visiting the chief pharmacist on YouTube. She didn't even knew most meds given are compuded. She was like wow they were ready made.


The guy never dey practice knows little about practice, your position, if you ask some of my class mate about what Practice is like some of them don't know.

nurain150:



Says the one who learnt surgery through apprentice.

I didn't delete anything, I left it for future generations to see your.....

My man of honour already in field have time answering you.

This one just dey make mockery of himself.

Clinical pharmacist my ass, shey this is the u that want to join doctors in ward round and will come and move ur toxic, guy Academics bully won't let u finish the round because a small female year 4 medic ll academically embarrass u and put u in ur place with ur degree in clinical pharmacy, shey Demn dey call una consultant now self


Please don't quote me again.. don't drag me to ur nonentity. Talking drug at this my level is like an insult to me I tell u..

One thing the guy forgot is that in student rotations, you don't interact with other proffesionals. In Radiography rotation you assist the Radiographer, same as MLS same a medcine same as dentistry and Nursing you can't write a prescription to patient so, you can't order a diagnostic tests.

For his information, he should ask his surgery unit how preopertative orders are made. How inpatient drugs are handled.

What you basically witness is outpatient. And the Pharmacist in duty won't dispenese and interaction that you should know. If you like as him for advice or not. He will only dispense what his best to his patients at apporiate dose.

But that's not the case. One thing you don't seem to understand is that all health care guys are friends, they gist and play with each other.

There is collaborative Practice among them.
You can use YouTube for that.


The only fight ensures at the union level and all fights are based on money.

danilmo:


This one just dey make mockery of himself.

Clinical pharmacist my ass, shey this is the u that want to join doctors in ward round and will come and move ur toxic, guy Academics bully won't let u finish the round because a small female year 4 medic ll academically embarrass u and put u in ur place with ur degree in clinical pharmacy, shey Demn dey call una consultant now self


Please don't quote me again.. don't drag me to ur nonentity. Talking drug at this my level is like an insult to me I tell u..

Says someone who couldn't provide the structure of common Paracetamol talkless of knowing the interactions with it receptors.

Guy you feel pained and am not. That's because this proffesional rant, I use this to relieve book stress.

danilmo:


This one just dey make mockery of himself.

Clinical pharmacist my ass, shey this is the u that want to join doctors in ward round and will come and move ur toxic, guy Academics bully won't let u finish the round because a small female year 4 medic ll academically embarrass u and put u in ur place with ur degree in clinical pharmacy, shey Demn dey call una consultant now self


Please don't quote me again.. don't drag me to ur nonentity. Talking drug at this my level is like an insult to me I tell u..

Also when it comes to ward rounds we have Physician lead ward rounds and pharmacist lead ward rounds

If you guys were opposite sexes, i would have just organized a nairaland wedding for u guys

nurain150:
One thing the guy forgot is that in student rotations, you don't interact with other proffesionals. In Radiography rotation you assist the Radiographer, same as MLS same a medcine same as dentistry and Nursing you can't write a prescription to patient so, you can't order a diagnostic tests.

For his information, he should ask his surgery unit how preopertative orders are made. How inpatient drugs are handled.

What you basically witness is outpatient. And the Pharmacist in duty won't dispenese and interaction that you should know. If you like as him for advice or not. He will only dispense what his best to his patients at apporiate dose.

But that's not the case. One thing you don't seem to understand is that all health care guys are friends, they gist and play with each other.

There is collaborative Practice among them.
You can use YouTube for that.


The only fight ensures at the union level and all fights are based on money.

This one just choose to keep embarrassing himself.

Guy I'm done with u. I can't b a friend to a pharmacist who doesn't know his lane because I LL always bully him a academically.

Know ur place and maintain it, then we can b Friend. Even nursed who watch us do clinic don't meddle, they always want to learn, na union matter dey make us quarrel but we love them in hospital.

That ur questions on paracetamol now if I palpate u again abt it now u LL fumble. Outside the chemistry and listed side effects what else do u know wen b say na we dey manage the side effects, know when to and wen not to give.


Oboy, I'm done

No

danilmo:


This one just choose to keep embarrassing himself.

Guy I'm done with u. I can't b a friend to a pharmacist who doesn't know his lane because I LL always bully him a academically.

Know ur place and maintain it, then we can b Friend. Even nursed who watch us do clinic don't meddle, they always want to learn, na union matter dey make us quarrel but we love them in hospital.

That ur questions on paracetamol now if I palpate u again abt it now u LL fumble. Outside the chemistry and listed side effects what else do u know wen b say na we dey manage the side effects, know when to and wen not to give.


Oboy, I'm done

I would bully you guy. I'm not a bully tho tell me the chemistry of Paracetamol and it's receptors olodo.

nurain150:
No

I would bully you guy. I'm not a bully tho tell me the chemistry of Paracetamol and it's receptors olodo.

No o, I'm done engaging u academically, I knew what it took me to answer u the first time, the time, lot of typing, won't want to go into that. No gain to me.

Ure asking a clinical pharmacology guru abt receptors? Guy I'm dissapointed.
Meanwhile Chemistry of of drug is what u do , produce , telling me chemistry of drug is like u never knew why pharmacy school is created in the first place..

I'm trained to apply the drug u produce , u're the one encroaching where u dont know, reason I was fast triggered to bully u academically so as to put u in ur low rightful phase sharply. Next time u will use ur head to know ur place wen u meet a Medic,


Infact uv asked me plenty questions, which I've answered, u started with alternative to Normal saline which I gave u, u brought clinical which I kuku drawn u.. but uve not answered any of mine since

Beside na only Paracetamol una Sabi ni? Anytime me and pharm guys talk drug chemistry, it's only Paracetamol and we've trashed it out , so I know where ure coming from already immediately I see paracetamol, I dey laugh u. But is that the only drug u guys could cram the chemistry?? Are u guys that dull Of all the thousand of drug , fear no catch u, u dey ask abt paracetamol.

See If I want to engage u henceforth in drug, I LL take u to sulphur contained drugs ,their effects on progenitor cells and then the clinical application, alternative and co where I will now bury u, heamatinic , their effect on infected erythropoietic cells and the contraindication ,then the remedy., Coz u won't watch ur patient die of heart failure. And many other drugs to mention but few. That is the type of drug discuss I LL engage u on and it's not ur level, with that rubbish in ur coconut head.. u LL be looking for ur bearing as u float that is if u LL even understand things self. U go fess go chop ni


If we go that advance way ur head will knock I bet u . Take a clue, I'm combining embryology + heamatology + Histopathology + microbiology + pharmacology + intermediate Medicine for u. That's if u LL make it back life .


The migraine u talked abt, I expected u to beg me to teach u abt type of headache, the pointers, the pathophysiology behind migraine and why we use type of analgesic and not the other type and the combo types. But u dey guff


God Medicine is too vast, voluminous abeg, still in this my small head Medicine is like shaprapra, one side is on details and intrigues of surgery, One side is for making money, one side is for woman how I knew and balance these is surprising but no thanks to the harsh rigorous compulsory training and for the fact that we must enjoy life along side

Go and learn ur clinical pharmacy, graduate and teach ur student pharmacy how to make drug, tell them not to cross their lane using ur experience with me..

God bless u bro.

Shallom.