Lalas247:

Don that I saw in Ashewo section doing all sorts
You sure it’s love ... I don’t think so o

Its not love joor, he's trying to get to base 3 with Debbie

highqueen:

lool,you sure about this?

I think he's just being friendly.

highqueen:

hey!!she/male!!!
yeah,I proffered you take a dick for brain reset cos I think incessant digestion and licking of rotten watery pussy has beclouded your sense of judgement.

better to have a fish brain than not having any atall.

Lalas247:

I did ....
I just didn’t do it here......
Ask sexy when it goes side ways I tell her what’s up ...... same way u do ( lol it’s just not displayed here )

mhisbliss:
Makky is a lovable girl she can't diss, and amara is aware that Debbie can't diss, thats why she attacked her like that, when she's indirectly throwing shades without quoting you then you know she's gonna bless you afterwards but if she quotes you directly, no blessings

mhisbliss:
friendly gini someone that is almost stalking her, i see thier chat everywhere because i follow debbie, he's a flirt thats all

BossLaifay:
You are correct. It may not be normal by your standards but my question remains is it your business? How does what others like or don't like affect your personal life or you religious faith??

makydebbie:
If you can't do it here then don't call the op out. It'll look like you're taking sides and sekxy clearly offended the op first without reading what she had to say.

highqueen:

obiakwa.

they will be calling you my queen, ask them for 20k,the kingdom will scatter,Igwe himself will disappear.

Lalas247:

Yh
Chai I miss that blessing sha .. but it cost her nearly a month off thread duty sha
I just felt it was uncalled for ..... no need to insult the girl for speaking the truth ...

Lalas247:

Yes I see point ...... next time I spank both and then hug my baby later ...
No worries
Liked how you handle yourself in that toxic thread ...

highqueen:

chai!!

a flirt?

was thinking he's just friendly o.

See him flirting with lalas

mhisbliss:
friendly gini someone that is almost stalking her, i see thier chat everywhere because i follow debbie, he's a flirt thats all

DonPiiko:
Otunba latest doesn't stalk anyone, Otunba just checks on his friends from time to time

mhisbliss:
See him flirting with lalas

DonPiiko:
Once you marry me Igwe and council will make sure you get more than that as allowance

Tallesty1:
I like people like you. Live and let live but here is a problem.

The very first day that I heard that some men stick their thing up another man's ass, I was disgusted. I didn't learn to dislike them from anybody. I think I was born that way so why don't allow me to hate them?

On a serious note, let's talk about how it affects us individually. I was playing wrestling revolution sometime ago, my character was just newly signed when coach emeson called for a meeting and told my character if it has ever considered coming out as homosexual "since it is becoming fashionable".

You can imagine how shocked I was right? I bet. I clicked NO, I am not a homosexual. The coach told me that I have no place in the business if that's case. My character's contract was cancelled.

If you don't see this happening to people real soon then I will say that you've a problem.

That's just one of the many ways it affects us. Thing is this, homosexuals are not clamoring for their rights because none is being denied them, rather they want to be the ununtouchables on earth.

The get education, they vote, they work, they do everything the rest of do so why the noise?

You don't see straight people shoving their sexual orientation on people's face, do you?

Wanna be gay? Please by all means be gay but don't tell me to like you because I won't and I was born that way too.

Marriage in Nigeria in simple term is a legal union between a man and a woman as husband and wife. Wanna marry? Then go get a woman, nobody is stopping you.

Be gay but don't tell us that you were born that way but you weren't and that is what the argument is all about

mhisbliss:
Its one worthless blessing like that, what irks the hell out of me is that she uses every little opportunity to praise herself.

Its because of johesu strike
I'm a nurse
I'm happily married with kid
I do this i do that, life that I'll not agree to live, someone is using it to form nonsense here

highqueen:

lol,you called lala princess now nah.

DonPiiko:
Point of correction, She's a queen, she's married to a king

BossLaifay:
You have valid points however you are still far from the truth.

Homosexuals are being discriminated against all around the world.

BossLaifay:
Just like in Nigeria for instance, there is a law, a LAW out for their imprisonment. If that's not discrimination I don't know what is.

BossLaifay:
People who feel disgust raise their nostrils and go as far as hurting them in the name of being better than them.

BossLaifay:
Whether you choose to admit it or not they are at a disadvantage.

BossLaifay:
People here have been quoting all sorts of bible verses but forgetting that they do not even live by these laws 100%. 50% even.

BossLaifay:
We have more pressing issues in this world by people love to make themselves feel better by looking down on others

mhisbliss:
Errmm otuba don't use your friendship to ruin other peoples entertainment, inugo?

Next2Bezee:


A capital letter [s]always comes after a semicolon.[/s]

These independent clauses would look better as individual sentences.

But don't expect a worthy debate is not an independent clause as it has no subject. Its wrong to use a semicolon, to pair it with an independent clause.


Since you started the italicized sentence with a Coordinating conjunction, why not join it with the previous, indepedent, clause.

- Thank you for sharing this Op, but don't expect a worthy debate. You might have outclassed NL with this one

GrammarNazi1:

It is wrong to use a capital letter after a semicolon. You use a capital letter after a semicolon only if the first word after the semicolon is a proper noun!

Rickyuzzy:
This ‘culture’ – or better put, traditions – that we have forced upon us in the infancy of our consciousness by thoughtless trading Europeans is not ours any more than the iPhone is a Nigerian invention.

Unfortunately the network of our historical and contemporary realities as Nigerians – including religion, mores, norms, dominant attitudes, and of course our system of archaic laws – came out of this mishmash of confusion and oppression. We acquired a way of life that was not ours, inefficiently adopted it into a way of life we were still evolving, and have ended up with confusion as the norm for our legal system.

It is the reason why Nigeria’s ‘culture’ has often been a cooking pot of inane debates, like the ones we used to have conscientiously in the 90s: should women be allowed to wear trousers? Neither first lady Aisha Buhari nor first bank chairman Ibukun Awosika would seriously entertain this debate today of course. But such is our culture that many women were actually called prostitutes in the 80s and the 90s because they wore what some religious leaders – ignorant of the non-binary, constantly evolving category-boundary history of male and female attire – called ‘men’s clothing’.

When you mix a confused culture with an insecure and badly thought out system of laws, kept in place by clueless politicians and maintained in stone by religious leaders who have not read and understood enough of the world, what we have is the Nigeria of today: where minority rights are tramped upon, inane rules guide our conduct, and lawyers still wear ridiculous attire to represent clients in badly ventilated courtrooms.

It is from this same conundrum of ambiguity that we have that most oppressive of all Nigerian laws: that which stops two consenting adults from having a legitimate, non-criminalised relationship, simply because they have the same reproductive organs. For us as a country, we insist that for people to love each other in a romantic, sexual, intimate way, they must find someone with a different sexual organ than they, someone with a different gender construct than they. We are a society very obsessed with joysticks and vaginas.[/b]

[/b]When you ask people why they insist on this restrictive legal and cultural regime even though the global body of research across the world pinpoints homosexuality as a legitimate stop in the evolutionary epic, they say either of three things: a) it is not part of our culture; b) it is not natural; and c) our religions forbid it – by which mostly they mean the imported Christian and Muslim faiths, because there is nothing in the canon of Ifa, Ogun or any of the Igbo pantheon of gods that speaks against the freedom to love irrespective of gender and sexual organ.[/b]

I believe I have already addressed the question of culture, so let’s turn our minds to the question of nature.

Is it true that men having sex with men and women having sex with women is simply not natural? The preponderance of biological and anthropological evidence begs to disagree. And really it’s embarrassing that people are still making that argument in 2017.

“Sex-linked biology and gender relations, as well as the concepts of race and ethnicity, require conceptual clarity in order to determine the interactive influences of each in giving rise to health differentials. To narrowly focus on such concepts impedes an appreciation of the rich variety among humans.”

People of same gender have been having sex with each other for, as long as I know, the five thousand years of recorded history, everyone from Alexander the Great to Virginia Woolf. And, of course, everything from paintings of the San people of Zimbabwe to evidence from the Nzima people of Ghana shows proof of not just African homosexual sex, but also homosexual marriage. Indeed, there is absolutely nothing sensible about the accusation of unnatural as the Israeli historian, Yuval Noah Harari reminded the world in his spectacular book, Sapiens, last year. Anything that can happen is by definition natural. If two women can find a way to sexual pleasure, then by the obvious evidence nature already allows it. If a man can wear what we now call ‘female clothing’ and not fall down and die because of it, then it is by nature natural. Nature allows a massive spectrum of possibilities, he reminds us; it is us humans that limit the possibilities with our fears, taboos and phobias, not nature.

But let’s still investigate the word ‘natural’. Is there anything intrinsically positive about the Natural? In the first few centuries after Christ, it was very natural for a man to have 14 children and to lose more than a dozen of them to disease, and it was very natural for bacteria to wipe off millions of people because there was none of the medicines we have now. Those were very natural. And yet here we are now, as a race, having overcome those challenges, because we found ‘unnatural’ ways to fight nature through medicine. Indeed, humanity has spent the past two million years, since man discovered fire, fighting and running away from ‘nature’. We build houses to escape the rain. We buy shaving powder to get rid of the natural hair that grows on our chins and armpits. And we have unnatural caesarian operations because sometimes nature is careless, thoughtless and pointless.

Nothing about how we live our lives today is ‘natural’. Indeed, if a man from ancient Greece woke up today and saw a world with stock exchanges, female presidents, iPhones, and Twitter threads, he would scream and rave at the unnaturalness of it all. But that is how humanity advances. We move forward. We leave the past behind, not because there is anything intrinsically wrong with the past, but because the past is limited. We now know so much about our universe and ourselves than people of the past knew.

Indeed one of the most fascinating things about human nature is how many of us are here, free, today because of the ways that society has advanced beyond what was natural many decades and centuries ago, including slavery, segregation and female circumcision, and yet we want the world to stop moving because we have now arrived.

To excuse this dissonance, point often to ‘nature’. We then purport to speak for God, by claiming that what we deem natural today – even though it wasn’t ‘natural’ for people just a century ago – is what God says is natural for all people as well. We take God as our all purpose excuse to fight change, to fight difference, to insist on our own intrinsic superiority.

Ridiculous, isn’t it?

And this is where religion has played a villain’s role. As Ali A. Rizvi, author of The Atheist Muslim, presciently points out, “Culture is always evolving. But religion freezes culture in time. Religion dogmatizes culture and arrests its evolution.”

But as natural selection teaches us – and if you don’t believe in natural selection, a cursory reading of received history teaches us – there is no point in the past that was perfect and godly. I mean, have you read your bible lately? The entirety of the Old Testament is a long, repetitive record of sinful, reprobate cultures. Isaiah, Elijah, Jeremiah, all these prophets moaned and bemoaned how deeply unrighteous people were. So when Christian warriors say they want to restore biblical morality, I say ‘huh’?

There was no perfect stasis of righteousness in the past. The world has only gotten better as it has progressed forward. We are a generation healthier, richer and more at peace with our neighbours than any generation in times past. Since the Second World War, however, rates of violent death have fallen to the lowest levels in known history. Today, the average person is far less likely to be slain by another member of the species than ever before—an extraordinary transformation that has occurred, almost unheralded, in the lifetime of many of the people reading this article. If asked to choose between living in the times of Joshua and living in the times of Donald Trump, I assume you many of us should choose the much more peaceable times of today.

That doesn’t mean the past was wrong. It means the past was limited, and cannot be our standard for forging the future.

Moving away from the past has helped us discover that we have been unfair to those who are different from us, and has given us the tools and knowledge to treat them fairer, and with the love and acceptance that the divinity of Jesus – being the same, yesterday, today and forever, knowing the end of a thing even from the beginning – already preached those 2000 years ago Jerusalem that we must love our neighbours, even with their imperfections, as we love ourselves.

What makes us expend more energy asking for young gay men to be jailed and killed than for all our past leaders to be rounded up and jailed? How is Dino Melaye more ‘natural’ and ‘human’ than Ellen DeGeneres?

What kind of stupid ass system of mores and laws arrives at such a pointless, ridiculous conclusion?

We must rethink the ways we have used religion as an excuse to hold others back and in doing that, punish ourselves by holding ourselves back. Because where there are hateful laws like we have in Nigeria, societies have historically proven that their progress will be slow. You cannot advance forward if you hold your people back with hate.

Is it really a coincidence that Africa is both the least tolerant continent on earth as well as the poorest?

We live in a country where it is legal to be Senator Sani Yerima and illegal to be Apple CEO Tim Cook, and we want to make progress?

It is time to look inwards into the deplorable mess of cultural, religious and legal restrictions that we have tired ourselves in and open our hearts, minds and spirits to the joy, progress and advancement that truly equitable and fair laws can bring to a thirsty nation.

That is not a gay agenda. That is an equality agenda. It is not an equal debate if those who are against gay peoples have rights and freedoms that gay people don’t have. You are able to get married, walk about freely, speak openly about who you had a date with yesterday, but they can’t. How can you quarrel with them wanting that? How is that a ‘bad’ ‘agenda’?

Ladies and gentlemen, you cannot love a person if you deny the person rights and freedoms just because you don’t approve of how they live their lives.

That is not love. That is wickedness.


Chude Jideonwo, the Chief Executive Officer of Joy, Inc., delivered this keynote address – THE IMPACT OF CULTURAL, TRADITIONAL AND RELIGIOUS IDEAS ON FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF SEXUAL MINORITIES IN NIGERIA – at the annual Human Rights, Sexuality and the Law Symposium by The Initiative for Equal Rights on 13 December 2017, in Lagos, Nigeria in commemoration of the International Day for Human Rights.

Rickyuzzy:


FYI, I am married with kids, defending gay rights is not assertion of my sexuality. I have studied this... I have a master's in Gender studies and I have been exposed to alot. I am simply progressive and you are regressive.

I took an interest in sexuality studies when a friend of mine(guy) committed suicide because of it. Simple research made alot of things I thought wrong right and true. I won't engage in throwing tantrums, when you have a reasonable and logical argument. Quote me then.

Rickyuzzy:
This ‘culture’ – or better put, traditions – that we have forced upon us in the infancy of our consciousness by thoughtless trading Europeans is not ours any more than the iPhone is a Nigerian invention.

Unfortunately the network of our historical and contemporary realities as Nigerians – including religion, mores, norms, dominant attitudes, and of course our system of archaic laws – came out of this mishmash of confusion and oppression. We acquired a way of life that was not ours, inefficiently adopted it into a way of life we were still evolving, and have ended up with confusion as the norm for our legal system.

It is the reason why Nigeria’s ‘culture’ has often been a cooking pot of inane debates, like the ones we used to have conscientiously in the 90s: should women be allowed to wear trousers? Neither first lady Aisha Buhari nor first bank chairman Ibukun Awosika would seriously entertain this debate today of course. But such is our culture that many women were actually called prostitutes in the 80s and the 90s because they wore what some religious leaders – ignorant of the non-binary, constantly evolving category-boundary history of male and female attire – called ‘men’s clothing’.

When you mix a confused culture with an insecure and badly thought out system of laws, kept in place by clueless politicians and maintained in stone by religious leaders who have not read and understood enough of the world, what we have is the Nigeria of today: where minority rights are tramped upon, inane rules guide our conduct, and lawyers still wear ridiculous attire to represent clients in badly ventilated courtrooms.

It is from this same conundrum of ambiguity that we have that most oppressive of all Nigerian laws: that which stops two consenting adults from having a legitimate, non-criminalised relationship, simply because they have the same reproductive organs. For us as a country, we insist that for people to love each other in a romantic, sexual, intimate way, they must find someone with a different sexual organ than they, someone with a different gender construct than they. We are a society very obsessed with joysticks and vaginas.[/b]

[/b]When you ask people why they insist on this restrictive legal and cultural regime even though the global body of research across the world pinpoints homosexuality as a legitimate stop in the evolutionary epic, they say either of three things: a) it is not part of our culture; b) it is not natural; and c) our religions forbid it – by which mostly they mean the imported Christian and Muslim faiths, because there is nothing in the canon of Ifa, Ogun or any of the Igbo pantheon of gods that speaks against the freedom to love irrespective of gender and sexual organ.[/b]

I believe I have already addressed the question of culture, so let’s turn our minds to the question of nature.

Is it true that men having sex with men and women having sex with women is simply not natural? The preponderance of biological and anthropological evidence begs to disagree. And really it’s embarrassing that people are still making that argument in 2017.

“Sex-linked biology and gender relations, as well as the concepts of race and ethnicity, require conceptual clarity in order to determine the interactive influences of each in giving rise to health differentials. To narrowly focus on such concepts impedes an appreciation of the rich variety among humans.”

People of same gender have been having sex with each other for, as long as I know, the five thousand years of recorded history, everyone from Alexander the Great to Virginia Woolf. And, of course, everything from paintings of the San people of Zimbabwe to evidence from the Nzima people of Ghana shows proof of not just African homosexual sex, but also homosexual marriage. Indeed, there is absolutely nothing sensible about the accusation of unnatural as the Israeli historian, Yuval Noah Harari reminded the world in his spectacular book, Sapiens, last year. Anything that can happen is by definition natural. If two women can find a way to sexual pleasure, then by the obvious evidence nature already allows it. If a man can wear what we now call ‘female clothing’ and not fall down and die because of it, then it is by nature natural. Nature allows a massive spectrum of possibilities, he reminds us; it is us humans that limit the possibilities with our fears, taboos and phobias, not nature.

But let’s still investigate the word ‘natural’. Is there anything intrinsically positive about the Natural? In the first few centuries after Christ, it was very natural for a man to have 14 children and to lose more than a dozen of them to disease, and it was very natural for bacteria to wipe off millions of people because there was none of the medicines we have now. Those were very natural. And yet here we are now, as a race, having overcome those challenges, because we found ‘unnatural’ ways to fight nature through medicine. Indeed, humanity has spent the past two million years, since man discovered fire, fighting and running away from ‘nature’. We build houses to escape the rain. We buy shaving powder to get rid of the natural hair that grows on our chins and armpits. And we have unnatural caesarian operations because sometimes nature is careless, thoughtless and pointless.

Nothing about how we live our lives today is ‘natural’. Indeed, if a man from ancient Greece woke up today and saw a world with stock exchanges, female presidents, iPhones, and Twitter threads, he would scream and rave at the unnaturalness of it all. But that is how humanity advances. We move forward. We leave the past behind, not because there is anything intrinsically wrong with the past, but because the past is limited. We now know so much about our universe and ourselves than people of the past knew.

Indeed one of the most fascinating things about human nature is how many of us are here, free, today because of the ways that society has advanced beyond what was natural many decades and centuries ago, including slavery, segregation and female circumcision, and yet we want the world to stop moving because we have now arrived.

To excuse this dissonance, point often to ‘nature’. We then purport to speak for God, by claiming that what we deem natural today – even though it wasn’t ‘natural’ for people just a century ago – is what God says is natural for all people as well. We take God as our all purpose excuse to fight change, to fight difference, to insist on our own intrinsic superiority.

Ridiculous, isn’t it?

And this is where religion has played a villain’s role. As Ali A. Rizvi, author of The Atheist Muslim, presciently points out, “Culture is always evolving. But religion freezes culture in time. Religion dogmatizes culture and arrests its evolution.”

But as natural selection teaches us – and if you don’t believe in natural selection, a cursory reading of received history teaches us – there is no point in the past that was perfect and godly. I mean, have you read your bible lately? The entirety of the Old Testament is a long, repetitive record of sinful, reprobate cultures. Isaiah, Elijah, Jeremiah, all these prophets moaned and bemoaned how deeply unrighteous people were. So when Christian warriors say they want to restore biblical morality, I say ‘huh’?

There was no perfect stasis of righteousness in the past. The world has only gotten better as it has progressed forward. We are a generation healthier, richer and more at peace with our neighbours than any generation in times past. Since the Second World War, however, rates of violent death have fallen to the lowest levels in known history. Today, the average person is far less likely to be slain by another member of the species than ever before—an extraordinary transformation that has occurred, almost unheralded, in the lifetime of many of the people reading this article. If asked to choose between living in the times of Joshua and living in the times of Donald Trump, I assume you many of us should choose the much more peaceable times of today.

That doesn’t mean the past was wrong. It means the past was limited, and cannot be our standard for forging the future.

Moving away from the past has helped us discover that we have been unfair to those who are different from us, and has given us the tools and knowledge to treat them fairer, and with the love and acceptance that the divinity of Jesus – being the same, yesterday, today and forever, knowing the end of a thing even from the beginning – already preached those 2000 years ago Jerusalem that we must love our neighbours, even with their imperfections, as we love ourselves.

What makes us expend more energy asking for young gay men to be jailed and killed than for all our past leaders to be rounded up and jailed? How is Dino Melaye more ‘natural’ and ‘human’ than Ellen DeGeneres?

What kind of stupid ass system of mores and laws arrives at such a pointless, ridiculous conclusion?

We must rethink the ways we have used religion as an excuse to hold others back and in doing that, punish ourselves by holding ourselves back. Because where there are hateful laws like we have in Nigeria, societies have historically proven that their progress will be slow. You cannot advance forward if you hold your people back with hate.

Is it really a coincidence that Africa is both the least tolerant continent on earth as well as the poorest?

We live in a country where it is legal to be Senator Sani Yerima and illegal to be Apple CEO Tim Cook, and we want to make progress?

It is time to look inwards into the deplorable mess of cultural, religious and legal restrictions that we have tired ourselves in and open our hearts, minds and spirits to the joy, progress and advancement that truly equitable and fair laws can bring to a thirsty nation.

That is not a gay agenda. That is an equality agenda. It is not an equal debate if those who are against gay peoples have rights and freedoms that gay people don’t have. You are able to get married, walk about freely, speak openly about who you had a date with yesterday, but they can’t. How can you quarrel with them wanting that? How is that a ‘bad’ ‘agenda’?

Ladies and gentlemen, you cannot love a person if you deny the person rights and freedoms just because you don’t approve of how they live their lives.

That is not love. That is wickedness.


Chude Jideonwo, the Chief Executive Officer of Joy, Inc., delivered this keynote address – THE IMPACT OF CULTURAL, TRADITIONAL AND RELIGIOUS IDEAS ON FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF SEXUAL MINORITIES IN NIGERIA – at the annual Human Rights, Sexuality and the Law Symposium by The Initiative for Equal Rights on 13 December 2017, in Lagos, Nigeria in commemoration of the International Day for Human Rights.

Lalas247:

Chai ... maky would have finished her tho cause ... what she said was actually the truth ..
And she never insulted her either ...it was like overnight from buddy to prostitute real quick only God will save us

highqueen:

at emboldened, that's the point.

they all wanna sound smart,intelligent and all that,but they ended being cowards with their comments.

one even said lesbos are sexy, can he wish same for his wife and daughters?

have not really have an encounter with gays as I avoid them like plagues when I sight them.

lefulefu:
pray not to have an encounter with a lesbian.they are very aggressive with straight females..how do i know? One of friends was telling me about a lesbian who was stalking her. The babe was threatening her and all for her to give in to her. I didn't believe her until she showed me her whatsap chats. This is a girl that knows her. It was not until we threatened to report the police on her that the lesbo left d poor girl alone. Unlike for we guys .. A gay dude is always extra careful in approaching a straight guy. Its only when a straight guy flies their flag ignorantly that they come calling.