oko-omoge:

I am not from Niger Delta but I have worked long in Niger Delta as a Subsea Pipeline Engineer that pipe the Oil & Gas from Production Platform to Oil& Gas Terminals, Understands the subsea Production Architecture for FSO & FPSO and also come from a family of Engineers!

My brothers the quest for deepwater development started way back in 1995 with Appriasal studies for fields like Bonga, Agbami, Usan, Oyo, Sea Eagle. Royal Dutch Company who first found commercial oil found it in oloibiri in the Creek of Bayelsa in the year 1952-54 , commercial oil was be produced in 1956.
Please do not say what you donot know, Please Go research about the meaning of the would "Delta" and link it up with formation of Oil and Gas natural formation, please read about Petroleum Geoscience /Geophysics, Resevior Engineering , Well dynamics, Sedimentology.

I am not a lawyer but from Travelling and residing in oyinbo countries, I know oyinbo people protect their Land as per Heritage.
In the Uk where we have alot of onshore pipelines , you pay royalities to local community Newcastle Upon Tyne for Example.

A good example is the current Shakalin Development in Russia, Shell is not finding it easy with local community ( Russia ), the Government of Russia put the people first despite joint venture interest with multination

In Abeerden, the Hub of Europe Oil & Gas Industry, who born you well not to homage to Abeerden people first in term of jobs opportunity.

France do not produce oil locally, but go to Paris and see Engineering Companies/Producing Coy - Technip, Acergy and Total. They protect their people wella , I mean locally Parisian employee.

I rest my Case,

For more than 30 to 40 years, The decision makers of the Oil producing majors decided that they would operate the Oil industry out of Lagos, and some people attribute this to the recent militant activities??

Like I said I work in the Oil industry, so I know what injustices I am talking about, I know what injustises we NDs suffer in the hands of yorubas every blessed day.

When I talk of relocating from Lagos to ND, I am not refering to head offices, I am refering to operational aspects of the business, let me give an example

Chevron based on Lekki express way, operates escravos fields, all engineering, operational decisions, contracting, designs, recruitment take place in Lagos, This is the set up long before the militancy issue. Those at the helm of affairs in Chevron are yoruba, so they strategically position chevron there knowing fully well that they are denying the ND of these benefits, The same goes for snepco, Mobil, schlumberger,
The most painfull aspect is recruitments, for a long time they were done in Lagos, I served in PH in the late 90's and I observed that while we were hustling for job spaces in PH, the Oil companies were recruiting young yoruba youth from Lagos.

I suggest that Goodluck start by moving Napims to Yenegoa or warri, I don't see what they are doing in Lagos?then allow 2 or 3 yrs for the private Oil companies to move fully because thats the normal way thing should be,

I have said be that if the economy of cocoa was being controlled from kaduna during the cocoa era, how would you people supporting the present status quo feel.


Truely we need to hold the Govt of the ND responsible as do all states, and when we start the first questions we will ask is where are the Oil companies operating? If you are governor of a state and you want to boast your economy do you allow small and medium scale industries selected in Lagos, being taxed in Lagos execute all the contrats in your state? You need to be in control of your resourses, your citizens need to be empowered, and the first steps is using what you have to get what you want,

I have given example of UK (London and Aberdeen)(NY and Texas)
The oil companies do not operate the scotish oil field out of london, nor NY, only in LAGOS NIGERIA do we have such.
I am not a Lagos hater, i don't care weather they are the best or worst in the world, I just want control of the resource I am blessed with. Is that asking too much?? How does that amount for asking for lagos to fall or fail??

Again I ask the question, if coal is being mined in enugu and all economic decisions affecting coal are being ocstrated from sokoto, how does that sound to you? does it sound right?

ND pple need to be in control of every aspect of this resourse, from exploration, production, transportation, small and meduim scale set up etc, this does not mean other nigerian will not be engaged but Nigerdeltans should have right of first refusal. The reason? They are blessed with the resourses


To ask them to ignore that resourse and engage in other developmental programs is total foul because that resourse will form the bedrock of any developmental programs,

DaLover:

But in Nigeria it is the other way round, people will trow all sorts of reasons to support it, a lot of people are inately evil, but they don't know it, Someone boldly wrote here that ND pple are not good enough for the oil companies, only their oil is good, shame on evil perpetrators and those who continue to support injustise against ND.

I am not a lawyer but from Travelling and residing in oyinbo countries, I know oyinbo people protect their Land as per Heritage.
In the Uk where we have alot of onshore pipelines , you pay royalities to local community Newcastle Upon Tyne for Example.

DaLover:

A good example is the current Shakalin Development in Russia, Shell is not finding it easy with local community ( Russia ), the Government of Russia put the people first despite joint venture interest with multination

DaLover:

In Abeerden, the Hub of Europe Oil & Gas Industry, who born you well not to homage to Abeerden people first in term of jobs opportunity.

DaLover:

France do not produce oil locally, but go to Paris and see Engineering Companies/Producing Coy - Technip, Acergy and Total. They protect their people wella , I mean locally Parisian employee.

Kobojunkie:

Yet again, you miss the point of the post. He tells you Governments create people-centric policies to aid their own and you immediately conclude that he is telling you you are right in your demands. ROFLMAO!!

Kobojunkie:

READ THE POST Are royalties not being payed to the local communities in the delta where the oil is being mined? If No, please provide proof.

DaLover:

I have even gone further to express what an accountable Governor is expected to deliver to his people (An economy built on the foundations of resources you r blessed with).
Just the way we expect a responsible[b] FG to ensure that companies exploiting our resourses for their profit[/b], engage in human capacity development, spur other industrial and economic activities will be the same way we will expect ND governors to do the same??

If left on their own, Shell for instance will prefer that all technical developmental efforts are carried out in holand while lesser important activities are done in Nigeria, Napims is trying to put a stop to this, I hope this lays this issue to rest,

Kobojunkie, please it is not by force to contribute, I think the point I am trying to show has been throughly trashed,
I just need to see some action from Goodluck,

KnowAll:

I just need to see some action from Goodluck,


[size=14pt]The only action Goodluck can give every Nigeria is if a brick layer, OR a common man who has no God-father chooses to run for the governorship of his state and wins the election let him be. But I doubt whether Goodluck would be able to heed to this clarion call because he will also want to benefit from the largasse of stolen and manipulated votes like his predecessors. So I am afraid the rut continues. [/size]

Kobojunkie:

Again, it is NOT the FEDERAL but the STATE/LOCAL government's that you need to attack first. All the examples you have been given so far have been of LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ENSURING TO PUT THEIR PEOPLE FIRST IN IT ALL. Aberdeen's package for the people but ensured by the LOCAL Government. West Virginia. Texas, Alabama, Californiua, LAGOS, Paris, all LOCAL GOVERNMENT PUSHED AND INSTALLED. Stop Pretending you do not know what the main problem even here is. Why should the PRESIDENT now come do for you what your local government's ought to do for you? Wait, because he is from the area or because the federal should continue to be a tool used by people in one area to take from another?

DaLover:

I am fast losing the initial respect I had for you kobojunkie, I just hope that looner becomrich has not taken over your profile, he tried and failed to derail the topic of this thread by diverting it to a senseless thread(80% of Oil is not produced in ND) lol.

DaLover:

I tot I had settled this issue of Government at any level.
Ok lets go along with your line of reasoning. I would like to attacke my LG chairman, How do I go about it? Keep in mind that he was not put there by majority of the people in the LG faultion electioneering (which we hope Goodluck will correct) made him chairman

DaLover:

Police and Legal authorities are currupt and are controlled by FG, Please kindly site examples of how you achieved this feat in your LG, and how your LG is rapidly developing, I am all ears

Beaf:

^
Frederick Enitiolorunda Obateru Akinruntan does not sound like an ND name, so he is free to base himself in his own place or wherever. We don't care.
All foreign oil companys with 40% FG contracts must be based where the oil is.

Run along to bed now, its quite clear you are tired.

Beaf:

Nigeria is packed full of idiots and wicked people. What happened in the 40+ years before MEND very rightly took up arms in 2006? In that time, what revenue streams did the Nigerian govt develop? What does your state produce for instance, aside from relying on money from the ND? Have you blamed your governor for that?

First things first, the Federal govt owns the oil business; they are partnered with the oil companies in a 60 - 40 relationship. ND states are not pencilled into the contracts in any way. Therefore, blaming ND govts is the action of a dolt.

At the time Ken Saro Wiwa and the Ogoni 9 were executed for making peaceful demands, where were you? At the time so many of our communities were razed to the ground by troops paid and armed by oil companies, where were you? Yes, until recently, Shell and Chevron owned the "Nigerian" army; and they did it becuase "clever" folk like you sell themselves cheap, thinking they are scoring points against the next ethnic group. Fool.

DaLover:

Asking that Oil companies move from lagos to ND has turned to Lagos bashing, Haba

I tot u were going to explain how to attack my LG, so u haven't even attacked your LG and u want me to attack mine, The funny thing is I wasn't even attacking the FG,
I have just asked that Goodluck move the oil companies from Lagos to ND and provide conditions for credible elections so we can hold our leaders accountable,

I don;t think we are communicating, lets rest Doo!!

Pifa:

When the oil boom of the 80’s was in full gear, expats abound in the oil producing states. What drove the expats away? If the governors of these states were farsighted, they could have seen the potential of using their proximity to the oil wells to develop their land for industries that rely on crude oil for raw materials. They could do this without taking a dime from the federal government, without owning THE OIL THAT COMES FROM THEIR LAND and without funding these industries themselves.    

Pifa:

But they had to provide and encourage an atmosphere that is conducive to the commercial interest of industries that would want to establish facilities there. They had to provide good roads, power for the industrial areas (to circumvent the federal government's prerogative over electricity production), enact business-friendly laws and guarantee public safety. They had to developing an educational system that would provide the workforce these companies would need as they multiplied in number.

This is what Lagos is doing. The state government under Fashola has made it its mandate to clear the way for private industries to strive and, in doing so, generate revenues for the government to develop the state (never mind the ill-advised and silly desire to turn Lagos into a mega city). Lagos has determined that it and only it stands in the way of its development, despite the yoke of an overbearing federal government on its shoulders. Their concept is rather straightforward: generate your IGR (internally Generated Revenue) and propel your own growth.

Pifa:

There was no reason the ND and other oil producing states could not do as Lagos. But when you’ve had governors like Ibori, the fella who slipped away from justice in the UK in the guise of a woman, and the ones who wasted money on useless theme parks, you will understand why the ND may be condemned to an impoverished existence. What about Goodluck Jonathan? Wasn’t his wife caught with $2m in her possession while trying to board a plane for the UK (this is what I read last week, so correct me if I am wrong). Were ND citizens ever offered an explanation for her attempt to smuggle such a large amount of cash out of the country? Isn’t Jonanthan a ND indgene? I understand one of the first things he did when he became president was to send his wife to Dubai for medical treatment.

sjeezy8:

That doesnt even make sense- How does private companies being in the ND make your leaders in the ND ACCOUNTABLE and provide credible elections?

The only thing ND people are owed is federalism- like the rest of Nigeria but where an Oil company is based should not be of your concern. as its the Oil companies choice

tpiah:

osama, i have gone through your posts and i'm of the opinion you are a wife batterer.This thread alone has proved that.


you say you're married? Good thing you're in the UK where you can take your wife back to your village, beat the hell out of her, batter her to within an inch of her senses, and get away with it.

every ape has a computer

DaLover:

Asking that Oil companies move from lagos to ND has turned to Lagos bashing, Haba

DaLover:

I tot u were going to explain how to attack my LG, so u haven't even attacked your LG and u want me to attack mine, The funny thing is I wasn't even attacking the FG,

DaLover:

I have just asked that Goodluck move the oil companies from Lagos to ND and provide conditions for credible elections so we can hold our leaders accountable,
I don;t think we are communicating,  lets rest Doo!!

When a friend from Imo state sat for a Cheron employment exams last year and came out tops, he almost lost the chance of employment because (again) a Yoruba woman from Ogun state sat on his documents. He was saved bythe grace of God when the woman's shenanigan almost backfired on her. So, how can someone from Ogun state -a non-oil producing state- decide the fate of a man from an oil producing state?

Onlytruth:

So, yes Warri is physically not in the Eastern part of Nigeria, but it shares all things with the East as far as oil politics is concerned.

pifa:
Beaf,

You know very well from my previous posts that I fully support the struggles of the ND against the r_a.p.e of their resources to feed Abuja and many of the parasite northern states. But the leadership of the ND and other oil-producing states must also share the blame for their retarded development. It is one thing for MEND to blow up a federal building in Abuja, but it served no useful purpose to kidnap expat oil workers for ransom other than the agenda of a few criminal elements within MEND. We must recognize that the ND people, too, have contributed their share to the environmental disasters that have rendered their once fertile land unfit for farming and human habitation.

When the oil boom of the 80’s was in full gear, expats abound in the oil producing states. What drove the expats away? If the governors of these states were farsighted, they could have seen the potential of using their proximity to the oil wells to develop their land for industries that rely on crude oil for raw materials. They could do this without taking a dime from the federal government, without owning THE OIL THAT COMES FROM THEIR LAND and without funding these industries themselves.

But they had to provide and encourage an atmosphere that is conducive to the commercial interest of industries that would want to establish facilities there. They had to provide good roads, power for the industrial areas (to circumvent the federal government's prerogative over electricity production), enact business-friendly laws and guarantee public safety. They had to developing an educational system that would provide the workforce these companies would need as they multiplied in number.

This is what Lagos is doing. The state government under Fashola has made it its mandate to clear the way for private industries to strive and, in doing so, generate revenues for the government to develop the state (never mind the ill-advised and silly desire to turn Lagos into a mega city). Lagos has determined that it and only it stands in the way of its development, despite the yoke of an overbearing federal government on its shoulders. Their concept is rather straightforward: generate your IGR (internally Generated Revenue) and propel your own growth.

There was no reason the ND and other oil producing states could not do as Lagos. But when you’ve had governors like Ibori, the fella who slipped away from justice in the UK in the guise of a woman, and the ones who wasted money on useless theme parks, you will understand why the ND may be condemned to an impoverished existence. What about Goodluck Jonathan? Wasn’t his wife caught with $2m in her possession while trying to board a plane for the UK (this is what I read last week, so correct me if I am wrong). Were ND citizens ever offered an explanation for her attempt to smuggle such a large amount of cash out of the country? Isn’t Jonanthan a ND indgene? I understand one of the first things he did when he became president was to send his wife to Dubai for medical treatment.

Surely, this is not what Ken Saro Wiwa died for.

paddy_lo:


Is chevron not a private oil company?. . what has state of origin got to do with it. .
The company can hire and fire whomever they want. . .

your friend should go apply to NNPC,where they do quota

Kobojunkie:

OH WOW!!! you mean you didn't start this thread? You did not earlier claim that LAGOS itself made some demands on the oil companies? You did not mention YORUBAs in reference to Lagos earlier? come on, be honest when debating as it does at least help your side a bit.

Kobojunkie:

Oh Wait!!! So I HAVE TO EXPLAIN how to attack LG to you? ROFLMAO!!!
You claimed YOU CANNOT step up to your LG, and I told you the problem is NATION-WIDE and not ND ONLY. But the same you claimed LAGOS( LOCAL) has been able to make demands on Oil companies, but somehow forget to mention that the reason your own ND Government( LOCAL) has refused to step up to the plate is because it has so far not felt the need to do so.
So, IF YOU accept that the LOCAL can still do something from the very point you made earlier of Lagos, but REFUSE to also accept that the main problem is probably your LOCAL, and not the FEDERAL which you SEEM to EXPECT to do for you what LOCAL Government is meant for, what in the world are you still going on about?But you CANNOT make such DEMANDS of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT when IT IS NOT THE JOB of the FEDERAL Government to MOVE PRIVATE COMPANIES FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER JUST BECAUSE. What else? FG should come wipe your arses for you?

Kobojunkie:

So, IF YOU accept that the LOCAL can still do something from the very point you made earlier of Lagos, but REFUSE to also accept that the main problem is probably your LOCAL, and not the FEDERAL which you SEEM to EXPECT to do for you what LOCAL Government is meant for, what in the world are you still going on about?But you CANNOT make such DEMANDS of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT when IT IS NOT THE JOB of the FEDERAL Government to MOVE PRIVATE COMPANIES FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER JUST BECAUSE. What else? FG should come wipe your arses for you?

Kobojunkie:

First the argument from some on here only a couple of months ago was that if only more NDs were allowed in highest office in the country, all things in ND land will be well. Now, we have a Niger-Deltan as president and the EXCUSES FOR FAILURE in the region continue to flow. Why? Don't you think it is time you direct all your anger and fear at those who you claim you did not elect as a majority and make them suffer with your many groups like MEND and co? Imagine BILLIONS of dollars to the Local governments, more than any other state out there can claim and the showers of excuses continue to flow.
If what you want is for Jonathan to turn DICTATOR like his predecessors, then BRING IT ON! I am sure the rest of the country will like to dish out the same LOGIC you are offering here/PLAY THAT SAME card against you when they get power too. And I hope you will be happy with that too then.

DaLover:

Please kindly reference where I said Lagos state made demands on the Oil companies. What I remember saying is that the Yoruba leadership of the oil companies have strategecally and unfairly situated the operations of the Oil companies in Lagos. I hope u r not on any sort of medication?

DaLover:

I can also ask u the same question, when you forced shell to bring down their deep water engineering outfit from Huston texas to Lagos did you ever consider what Huston has that lagos does not??

DaLover:

Please kindly attached scanned copy of certificate of sanity from a popular and well recognised mental health institute along with your next response. I begining to think I might not be interacting with a normal person.

DaLover:

You are probably a beneficiary of what internal management the cocoa economy by the yoruba for the benefit of the yorubas, but you can't let go of Oil economy for the NDs. You have to be a really wicked asshole to sleep well defending this fact. And that is why I keep saying that the problem of the ND is not and never the North!!

DaLover:

It is the same pple that want only the Lagos Ports to work, The north will not be interested in making the Ports in the ND not working, The east will be happy to encourage the ports in ND to work so that Aba and Onitsha warehouses can be stocked thu them, Only one set of people feel that they would loose if ports in the ND work and your guess is as good as mine on who they are.

DaLover:

Imagine that during Objs entire ternure, tank farms in ND did not work so that all supplies could come tru lagos. I honestly don't know what else can be classified as wickedness if not this, while lagosians were paying =N=65 for fuel, ND and east were paying =N=150, and then whenever pple in Lagos have to pay a bit higher nationwide strike is declared, A lot of tank farms sprunge up in lagos

DaLover:

If after all my explainations and examples on how how government can make companies act accordingly, you still say this then you are truely daft
So asking mend to attack currupt LG chairmen is your suggestion on how to tackle the curruption in the ND? I don't have words again