The Concept of the Trinity of God is the most difficult to explain (except by the Holyspirit). It is also the most important in our Walk of Faith. This is because it is the Mystery of God, the Identity of God.
How then can any Man say that He understands God, when we don't even understand ourselves, when we don't even understand Animals, when we don"t understand the Stars even to the least of His creation?
We can only have a simplified basic understanding of the Trinity of God. Any attempt to think we can fully grasp it will send us back to ignorance and confusion.

The Basic Concept I have so far with the help of the Holyspirit, through scriptures, servants of God and divine revelation is this and I hope the Grace of God gives us all more insight and understanding, in Jesus name.

The Father, The Son and The Holyspirit are the same One God but in Three different Manifestations.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. - 1John 5:7

-God, the Father is the Father from Everlasting to Everlasting, Enthroned for Eternity. He is Love, Light, Truth, Good, Righteousness, Holiness, Eternal Life.

-God, the Son is Jesus Chist, the Word and the Lamb, Our Lord and Saviour. He is the Wisdom of God. He is God taking up human form to cohabit among us men on earth so as to fulfill the work of our Salvation. The only way we could overcome sin and death was for the Purest Blood of Jesus Christ to be our atonement, making Him our Substitution before God. He is the only Seed of Righteousness that uproots the seed of sin planted in the heart of Man by the disobedience of Adam. The knowledge and belief in Christ gives Eternal Life. Christ is the Only Way.

-God, the Holyspirit is the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Grace, our Helper that Christ promised and baptised us with. He is the Seal and Guarantee of our Faith. Only through the Holyspirit can we understand the Word (Bible), can we receive and build our Holiest Faith, can we receive Dunamis (Power) to conquer sin and overcome our fears and death. Only with the Holyspirit can we be attuned with God to fulfill our purpose.

It helps to think of the Trinity of God as the 3 different states of Water. The Father is Water/Liquid (Endless). Ice/Solid is Chist, we could see and touch Him. The Holyspirit is Steam/Gas, we cannot hold Him but He is everywhere. Spirituality is a Flow.

May God grant us more revelation and understanding through the Holyspirit in Jesus name. Amen.

Amen

Christians! Whatever they can't explain or understand they tag it spiritual.

spongeisback:
Christians! Whatever they can't explain or understand they tag it spiritual.

Maybe you can help us all with your understanding.

pressplay411:
The Concept of the Trinity of God is the most difficult to explain (except by the Holyspirit). It is also the most important in our Walk of Faith. This is because it is the Mystery of God, the Identity of God.
How then can any Man say thaf He understands God, when we don't even understand ourselves, when we don't even understand Animals, Stars even to the least of His creation?
We can only have a simplified basic understanding of the Trinity of God. Any attempt to think we can fully grasp it will send us back to ignorance and confusion.

The Basic Concept I have so far with the help of the Holyspirit, through scriptures, servants of God and divine revelation is this and I hope the Grace of God gives us all more insight and understanding, in Jesus name.
The Father, The Son and The Holyspirit are the same One God but in Three different Manifestations.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. - 1John 5:7

-God, the Father is the Father from Everlasting to Everlasting, Enthroned for Eternity. He is Love, Light, Truth, Good, Righteousness, Holiness, Eternal Life.

-God, the Son is Jesus Chist, the Word and the Lamb, Our Lord and Saviour. He is the Wisdom of God. He is God taking up human form to cohabit among us men on earth so as to fulfill the work of our Salvation. The only way we could overcome sin and death was for the Purest Blood of Jesus Christ to be our atonement, making Him our Substitution before God. He is the only Seed of Righteousness that uproots the seed of sin planted in the heart of Man by the disobedience of Adam. The knowledge and belief in Christ gives Eternal Life. Christ is the Only Way.

-God, the Holyspirit is the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Grace, our Helper that Christ promised and baptised us with. He is the Seal and Guarantee of our Faith. Only through the Holyspirit can we understand the Word (Bible), can we receive and build our Holiest Faith, can we receive Dunamis (Power) to conquer sin and overcome our fears and death. Only with the Holyspirit can we be attuned with God to fulfill our purpose.

It helps to think of the Trinity of God as the 3 different states of Water. The Father is Water/Liquid (Endless). Ice/Solid is Chist, we could see and touch Him. The Holyspirit is Steam/Gas, we cannot hold Him but He is everywhere. Spirituality is a Flow.

May God grant us more revelation and understanding through the Holyspirit in Jesus name. Amen.

Sophistry at it's best. OP, 1 John 5:7 reads "there are three that testify".(authentic version).

OP,that version U quoted in your post is a confirmed forgery. "God appeared in the flesh"(1 Tim3:16kjv) is also a confirmed forgery.
The authentic version reads ".. He who was manifest in the flesh.."

But ,all of una trinity peddlers una so much love the wayo & iwuruwuru ,419 version of 1John5:7 (KJV) wey Una take back up una lie lie.
Contrary to your post, here is the authentic testimony that God gave about Jesus Christ, His son (matt16:13-17. John 20:30,31). Shalom

OneJ:



Sophistry at it's best. OP, 1 John 5:7 reads "there are three that testify".(authentic version).

OP,that version U quoted in your post is a confirmed forgery. "God appeared in the flesh"(1 Tim3:16kjv) is also a confirmed forgery.
The authentic version reads ".. He who was manifest in the flesh.."

But ,all of una trinity peddlers una so much love the wayo & iwuruwuru ,419 version of 1John5:7 (KJV) wey Una take back up una lie lie.
Contrary to your post, here is the authentic testimony that God gave about Jesus Christ, His son (matt16:13-17. John 20:30,31). Shalom

It is our Truth. You are entitled to your truth sir. But I pray for your sake, for your family's sake and for the kingdom's sake you will reconsider. Because it is the Only way to overcome sin and fulfill purpose.

OneJ:



Sophistry at it's best. OP, 1 John 5:7 reads "there are three that testify".(authentic version).

OP,that version U quoted in your post is a confirmed forgery. "God appeared in the flesh"(1 Tim3:16kjv) is also a confirmed forgery.
The authentic version reads ".. He who was manifest in the flesh.."

But ,all of una trinity peddlers una so much love the wayo & iwuruwuru ,419 version of 1John5:7 (KJV) wey Una take back up una lie lie.
Contrary to your post, here is the authentic testimony that God gave about Jesus Christ, His son (matt16:13-17. John 20:30,31). Shalom

some say 1 john 5:7 has added words
but what Jesus said here is virtually saying the same thing and also shows Jesus and the Holy Spirit equal to the Father:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.



1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

who is the "He", isaiah and matthew say He is God:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, And shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, And shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.

isaiah and matthew tell us that the child Jesus Christ born to mary is God
immanuel is a hebrew name for messiah, it means God with us

those who deny that Jesus is the Christ-Messiah-God, who has come in the flesh is a liar a deceiver and an antichrist:
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

of course those verses are not just about a human being born,
but about the Messiah-Christ being born, about the birth of immanuel, about God being with us

Trinity is a false doctrine.

There is but one God.

Jesus is not coequal to Him.

The Holy spirit is the power of God.




Shalom aleikhem!

Maamin:
Trinity is a false doctrine.

There is but one God.

there is but one God in the trinity doctrine:
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Maamin: Jesus is not coequal to Him.

philip inspired by God considered Jesus to be equal to Father:
Php_2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Maamin: The Holy spirit is the power of God.


Shalom aleikhem!

the Holy Spirit is more than the power of God:
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

pressplay411:
The Concept of the Trinity of God is the most difficult to explain (except by the Holyspirit). It is also the most important in our Walk of Faith. This is because it is the Mystery of God, the Identity of God.
How then can any Man say thaf He understands God, when we don't even understand ourselves, when we don't even understand Animals, Stars even to the least of His creation?
We can only have a simplified basic understanding of the Trinity of God. Any attempt to think we can fully grasp it will send us back to ignorance and confusion.


May God grant us more revelation and understanding through the Holyspirit in Jesus name. Amen.

OP, GOD THE FATHER IS A PERSONALITY .
JESUS CHRIST , THE SON , IS ANOTHER PERSONALITY.
HOLY SPIRIT IS ALSO , A DIFFETENT PERSONALITY

THEY ARE UNITY AND WORKING TO THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD THE FATHER.
JESUS CHRIST IS A GOD . A CHILD OF GOD IS GOD. JESUS IS OUR CREATOR . HE DID NOT CREAT US BECAUSE HE WANTED TO , BUT BECAUSE GOD THE FATHER WANTED TO . HIS FATHER TOLD HIM " LET US CREAT MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE " , AND THEY DID.
WHATEVER JESUS DID OR IS DOING , HIS IS DOING TO SATISFY HIS FATHER'S WISHES AND COMMANDS .
HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSONALITY WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO WORK FOR GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE SON.
HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT GOD, HE IS A HOLY SPIRIT.

THE BIBLE DID NOT CALL THE HOLY SPIRIT GOD , BUT THE BIBLE CALLED JESUS , "GOD ALMIGHTY" , YET HE IS STILL LOWER THAN GOD THE FATHER. JESUS HIMSELF CONFIRMED THIS.

THERE IS NO DIVISION , NO CONTENTION , NO PERSONAL OR DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES BETWEEN GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON . JESUS CHRIST . THE SON IS IN TOTAL OBEDIENCE TO THE FATHER , WHO LOVES HIM AS HIMSELF .

Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

johnw47:


some say 1 john 5:7 has added words
but what Jesus said here is virtually saying the same thing and also shows Jesus and the Holy Spirit equal to the Father:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.



1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

who is the "He", isaiah and matthew say He is God:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, And shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.

Elihu (the young man who comforted Job) means "My God is He". OP, then is Elihu the same as Almighty God? Again, Elijah means "my God is Jehovah", does that prove that Elijah is actually the Most High God?


OP, your quote in red letters (matt28:19) where did Jesus say the three are one God?

Or did other Bible verses U put up actually say the God ,Christ & Holy spirit are one ?
If we are to go by your logic, the expression " Tom , Dick & Harry " is one "god"shey ? OP, there is no explicit statement that said Jesus is Almighty God. OP, true or false?

The truth be told Isaiah said "Therefore, the Lord (Jehovah) himself will give you a sign.: Behold, the virgin (maiden) shall be with child,& shall bring forth a son....". 7 :14

Right there in heaven,thousands of years before Christ birth on earth in Isaiah's prophecy, his Father Jehovah already recognized Jesus as His son. OP, true or false?
"he will be called the son of the Most High" OP, true or false?

OneJ:



Elihu (the young man who comforted Job) means "My God is He". OP, then is Elihu the same as Almighty God? Again, Elijah means "my God is Jehovah", does that prove that Elijah is actually the Most High God?


OP, your quote in red letters (matt28:19) where did Jesus say the three are one God?

Or did other Bible verses U put up actually say the God ,Christ & Holy spirit are one ?
If we are to go by your logic, the expression " Tom , Dick & Harry " is one "god"shey ? OP, there is no explicit statement that said Jesus is Almighty God. OP, true or false?

The truth be told Isaiah said "Therefore, the Lord (Jehovah) himself will give you a sign.: Behold, the virgin (maiden) shall be with child,& shall bring forth a son....". 7 :14

Right there in heaven,thousands of years before Christ birth on earth in Isaiah's prophecy, his Father Jehovah already recognized Jesus as His son. OP, true or false?
"he will be called the son of the Most High" OP, true or false?

I struggled with this too. The mystery of the Trinity is one of the snares the devil has used to divide the church.

Thr first thing we have to know is that the Trinity is God. And as such we can never have a full understanding of the Trinity. We just need a basic simplistic understanding of the Trinity.

The Trinity is simply put the triune nature of God.
There a three that bear witness in heaven, and all three are One."

Meaning The Father, Jesus and the Holyspirit are the same One God in different Dimensions or Expressions.

God had to become Jesus Christ for Him to have a physical form to give us Salvation on the Cross. Then He had to become the Holyspirit to commune with us daily in order to enable and empower us to know and do His will.

Jesus referred to Himself as both Son of God because He was fully God (born of God) and also called Himself Son of Man (born of Eve) because He was fully Man.

The identity of all 3 is easily reflected in the Grace.

The *Grace* of Our Lord *Jesus Christ*, The *Love of God* and the *Fellowship/Communion* of the *Holyspirit*

While all three are equally Important to us, we are in the Holyspirit dispensation. The Holyspirit ministry is the manifestation of God for our generation, since the Resurrection Christ and Baptism at the Pentecost. Christ has already completed His work which was why He said on the cross, "It is Finished."
Then Jesus after Resurrection explained the importance and necessity of the Holyspirit to His disciples.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.


It's just quite unfortunate the devil has succeeded in deceiving the church not to engage the Holyspirit in His full dimension. Most churches even despise and silence Speaking in tongues, which is our greatest weapon of Prayer.

May God deliver those churches from this Great Deception and Limitation. Please if you do not speak in tongues, you should start covetting it. It is the Power of our Faith given by the Holyspirit. All God wants to see is your belief, desire and hunger for His gifts, He really has made them all readily available. I'm also a testimony to this.

enilove:


OP, GOD THE FATHER IS A PERSONALITY .
JESUS CHRIST , THE SON , IS ANOTHER PERSONALITY.
HOLY SPIRIT IS ALSO , A DIFFETENT PERSONALITY

THEY ARE UNITY AND WORKING TO THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD THE FATHER.
JESUS CHRIST IS A GOD . A CHILD OF GOD IS GOD. JESUS IS OUR CREATOR . HE DID NOT CREAT US BECAUSE HE WANTED TO , BUT BECAUSE GOD THE FATHER WANTED TO . HIS FATHER TOLD HIM " LET US CREAT MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE " , AND THEY DID.
WHATEVER JESUS DID OR IS DOING , HIS IS DOING TO SATISFY HIS FATHER'S WISHES AND COMMANDS .
HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSONALITY WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO WORK FOR GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE SON.
HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT GOD, HE IS A HOLY SPIRIT.

THE BIBLE DID NOT CALL THE HOLY SPIRIT GOD , BUT THE BIBLE CALLED JESUS , "GOD ALMIGHTY" , YET HE IS STILL LOWER THAN GOD THE FATHER. JESUS HIMSELF CONFIRMED THIS.

THERE IS NO DIVISION , NO CONTENTION , NO PERSONAL OR DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES BETWEEN GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON . JESUS CHRIST . THE SON IS IN TOTAL OBEDIENCE TO THE FATHER , WHO LOVES HIM AS HIMSELF .

Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

May God give us more understanding and revelation.

enilove:





THE BIBLE DID NOT CALL THE HOLY SPIRIT GOD , BUT THE BIBLE CALLED JESUS , "GOD ALMIGHTY" , YET HE IS STILL LOWER THAN GOD THE FATHER. JESUS HIMSELF CONFIRMED THIS.

Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

I have observed on NL that the Trinity fallacy has so many versions that contradict each other because their false doctrine done confuse all the Trinity peddlers tire sotayy they don't even agree on what should be Trinity.


The true God is not the author of confusion, (1Cor 14:33.) but rather,Satan is the god of confusion, (2 Cor 4:4).


OP, U try for sure but..... Jesus is not God Almighty by any stretch of the imagination


Almighty God revealed the truth to Apostle Peter & John ( matt 16:13-17. John 20:30,31)


Apostle Paul confirmed it too.
." For he "has put everything under his feet". Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF ,who put everything under Christ" 1 Cor 15:27.

"Now I want you to realise that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of every woman is man, and the head of Christ is God" 1 Cor 11:3.


Shalom

johnw47

there is but one God in the trinity doctrine:
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Let me add this to it..
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

philip inspired by God considered Jesus to be equal to Father:
Php_2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Jesus does not consider him self to be equal to his God your God, and to his father, your father.


John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

the Holy Spirit is more than the power of God:
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Yes you are still not far from the truth, you are just 180 degrees from it.

Matthew 25:34-40

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

So tell me how much more of the power of the holy spirit that proceeds from God. His very essence.

1 Cor.15:28 says God the father is all in all.

Shalom!

Maamin:


Let me add this to it..
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."





Jesus does not consider him self to be equal to his God your God, and to his father, your father.


John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."



Yes you are still not far from the truth, you are just 180 degrees from it.

Matthew 25:34-40

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

So tell me how much more of the power of the holy spirit that proceeds from God. His very essence.

1 Cor.15:28 says God the father is all in all.

Shalom!

Spot on !
Shalom aleichem

pressplay411:


May God give us more understanding and revelation.

AMEN.
BUT THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING AND REVELATIONS THAT GOD WOULD GIVE US THAT IS GOING TO CONTRADICT HIS WORDS. INFACT SOME OF THE REVELATIONS ARE TO CONFIRM THE ALREADY WRITTEN SCPRIPTURES WRITTEN FOR EVERYONE TO LEARN FROM.

I MAY BE WRONG AND YOU MAY BE RIGHT , ALL THAT MATTERS IS TO GET TO HEAVEN.

THANKS.

Maamin:


Let me add this to it..
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."





Jesus does not consider him self to be equal to his God your God, and to his father, your father.


John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."



Yes you are still not far from the truth, you are just 180 degrees from it.

Matthew 25:34-40

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

So tell me how much more of the power of the holy spirit that proceeds from God. His very essence.

1 Cor.15:28 says God the father is all in all.

Shalom!

Ok sir. I admire your knowledge.
I try as much as possible to avoid arguments about the gospel, especially on issues bordering on Trinity because it is a mystery beyond us all. But I will like to share more clarity of my understanding so far.

Our Lord, Jesus Christ told the Jewish teachers that He was the Son of God, yet they wanted to stone Him. If He had told them He was also God, what do you think would have happened?
But to His disciples, He later shared more details due to their intimacy which is what we also enjoy when we have intimacy with the Holyspirit. He gives us deeper access to Divine mysteries.
Jesus identified Himself as both the Son and the Father in very few instances, one of such is in His reply to Philip below.

John.14.9 - Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, "Show us the Father'?

John.14.10 - Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.

John.14.11 - Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

OneJ:



Elihu (the young man who comforted Job) means "My God is He". OP, then is Elihu the same as Almighty God? Again, Elijah means "my God is Jehovah", does that prove that Elijah is actually the Most High God?

try and understand what you are reading, it saves a lot of time,
elijah doesn't mean elijah is Jehovah, it means elijah's God is jehovah, just like you posted in the verse

OneJ: OP, your quote in red letters (matt28:19) where did Jesus say the three are one God?

Jesus didn't say specifically in matt 28:19 that the three is one God, and since you cannot see it, just ask and i can give you scriptures showing that Father is God, that Son is God and that Holy Spirit is God

OneJ: Or did other Bible verses U put up actually say the God ,Christ & Holy spirit are one ?
If we are to go by your logic, the expression " Tom , Dick & Harry " is one "god"shey ? OP, there is no explicit statement that said Jesus is Almighty God. OP, true or false?

the verses i put up are to show that Jesus-immanuel is God, take a look at them again

OneJ: The truth be told Isaiah said "Therefore, the Lord (Jehovah) himself will give you a sign.: Behold, the virgin (maiden) shall be with child,& shall bring forth a son....". 7 :14

Right there in heaven,thousands of years before Christ birth on earth in Isaiah's prophecy, his Father Jehovah already recognized Jesus as His son. OP, true or false?
"he will be called the son of the Most High" OP, true or false?

i take it you don't believe the maiden mary was a virgin when Jesus was conceived, you are wrong
God is not flesh but Spirit, Jesus(man-flesh) is the Son of God, His Spirit is God, the Word(God) became flesh

onej you have called me OP(opening poster) many times

when i was debating with roman catholics they said i was someone else,
when i was debating with the doctufos mob they said i was someone else,
when i was debating with so called jehovahs witnesses, one said i was someone else,
another said i was someone else still, and a third said i was yet even another

those above are obviously paranoid

Maamin:


Let me add this to it..
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

of course true: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God(God and the Word john 1:1), and (the man)Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent

Maamin: Jesus does not consider him self to be equal to his God your God, and to his father, your father.


John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

so you believe john 14:28 makes php 2:6 to be untrue

Father(God) is greater than Jesus(flesh), whereas Father(God) is equal to the Word(God)
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Maamin: Yes you are still not far from the truth, you are just 180 degrees from it.

Matthew 25:34-40

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

So tell me how much more of the power of the holy spirit that proceeds from God. His very essence.

1 Cor.15:28 says God the father is all in all.

Shalom!

once again you think one scripture shows another to be wrong
the Holy Spirit is not just God's power but is God Himself
even the verse you posted says "God is all in all", you would have it say God's power is all in all

peter told anainas that lying to the Holy Spirit is not lying to man but to God,
you say lying to the holy Spirit is lying to God's power

ask and i will post verses showing that the Holy Spirit is God

johnw47

so you believe john 14:28 makes php 2:6 to be untrue

Father(God) is greater than Jesus(flesh), whereas Father(God) is equal to the Word(God)
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

None of the verses are wrong, but only triniterians that are reading their man made doctrine into it.

Did Phil.2:6 says Jesus is equal to the father? No!

Did John 14:28 says the father is greater than Jesus? Yes!

There you have it

once again you think one scripture shows another to be wrong
the Holy Spirit is not just God's power but is God Himself
even the verse you posted says "God is all in all", you would have it say God's power is all in all

peter told anainas that lying to the Holy Spirit is not lying to man but to God,
you say lying to the holy Spirit is lying to God's power

ask and i will post verses showing that the Holy Spirit is God

Once again I don't think that way, but if we allow the bible to interpret itself, you will in fact see that all scriptures is in agreement with one fundamental truth which is THE FATHER IS GOD TO EVEN THE SON.

What you are finding difficult here is understanding what the holy spirit is and in so doing you will grasp the manifestation from whence it come from. If the least kindness we do to our fellow man is as if we had done it to God Himself (Matthew 25:34-40). Then how much more of his very emanation, the Word and the Holy spirit?

God the father Himself is a Holy Spirit. The holy spirit is not a person as you made it out to be in trinity. While we are made in God's image through Christ. The holy spirit on the other hand has taken so many forms like, tongue of fire, water, dove, wind, etc

There is no explicit verse that made the holy spirit a third part in a trinity. And guess what ? Jesus was anointed as Christ through the holy spirit. He was filled with the holy spirit which is the power of the highest according to the bible, he performed so many miracles through this power of God (holy spirit). It is God's pure righteous essence of truth and life.

You might want to bring your verses to convince me that the Holy spirit is GOD, you won't be saying anything new why because the holy spirit is God's emanating power himself. But if you make the holy spirit out to be a third of a tripath then it's your own man made teaching.

pressplay411

Ok sir. I admire your knowledge.
I try as much as possible to avoid arguments about the gospel, especially on issues bordering on Trinity because it is a mystery beyond us all. But I will like to share more clarity of my understanding so far.

The Mystery of Godliness is manifested unto us already. Whereby we now know the Father through his Son.

Our Lord, Jesus Christ told the Jewish teachers that He was the Son of God, yet they wanted to stone Him. If He had told them He was also God, what do you think would have happened?

Jesus did not lie when he said that he is the SON OF GOD. The Jews wanted to stone Him because they misunderstood him. Also because they are receiving new message that they were not accustom to, something the former prophets did not or can not claim. That was why he went ahead and told them "even ye are gods"

But to His disciples, He later shared more details due to their intimacy which is what we also enjoy when we have intimacy with the Holyspirit. He gives us deeper access to Divine mysteries.
Jesus identified Himself as both the Son and the Father in very few instances, one of such is in His reply to Philip below.

I strongly disagree with the bold here please. God the Father is not Jesus the Son of God. Neither did he(Jesus) claimed to be the father. But he came to make the father known to us John 17:3

John.14.9 - Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, "Show us the Father'?

Yes! Jesus is the image of the invisible God the father,he was not in any way saying that he is God the father but rather telling his disciples that seeing him is a revelation of who God his father/their father is.

John.14.10 - Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.

Good! Through which means is God the father in the Son? Through the power of his holy spirit. Same way through the power of the holy spirit the father and the Son dwells in us. 1 John 4:13 "Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit." I will like you start from verse 1 of that 1 John chapter 4. the father dwell in us too as we dwell in him this does not make us God the father right?

John.14.11 - Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

John 17:21-23

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 [b]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; [/b]and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

You see that the meaning you are trying to read into that verse is not what it says..cause if we go by your own meaning that means we also are God the father since you made Jesus to be God the father through that verse.

Shalom aleikhem!

Maamin:


None of the verses are wrong, but only triniterians that are reading their man made doctrine into it.

Did Phil.2:6 says Jesus is equal to the father? No!

Did John 14:28 says the father is greater than Jesus? Yes!

There you have it

yes there you have given me error , i gave explanation of phil and john verses because you don't understand them, i also gave verse showing that the Word is equal to God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
try not twisting which is lying

Maamin: Once again I don't think that way, but if we allow the bible to interpret itself, you will in fact see that all scriptures is in agreement with one fundamental truth which is THE FATHER IS GOD TO EVEN THE SON.

if you had eyes to see you would see that the Son is God even to the Father:
Heb_1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Maamin: What you are finding difficult here is understanding what the holy spirit is and in so doing you will grasp the manifestation from whence it come from. If the least kindness we do to our fellow man is as if we had done it to God Himself (Matthew 25:34-40). Then how much more of his very emanation, the Word and the Holy spirit?

i know who, not what the Holy spirit is, you say the Holy spirit is "a what"
you say the word is "a god", you say Jehovah is the Father only, when Jehovah is God
the Father and the Word, in other words you do not know God in the least

false jw have two god's, father a almighty god and son a mighty god

Maamin: God the father Himself is a Holy Spirit. The holy spirit is not a person as you made it out to be in trinity. While we are made in God's image through Christ. The holy spirit on the other hand has taken so many forms like, tongue of fire, water, dove, wind, etc

you say Father is "a holy spirit" just like you say the Word is "a god"
but God's word only speaks of one Holy Spirit, same as it talks of only one true God
however you don't believe God's word and change what it says

Maamin: There is no explicit verse that made the holy spirit a third part in a trinity. And guess what ? Jesus was anointed as Christ through the holy spirit. He was filled with the holy spirit which is the power of the highest according to the bible, he performed so many miracles through this power of God (holy spirit). It is God's pure righteous essence of truth and life.

You might want to bring your verses to convince me that the Holy spirit is GOD, you won't be saying anything new why because the holy spirit is God's emanating power himself. But if you make the holy spirit out to be a third of a tripath then it's your own man made teaching.

there are many verses showing that the Holy spirit is a person and not just God's power
you post verses showing that you think say the Holy spirit is not a person,
is not God
and i will post verses showing that the Holy Spirit is a person, is God

OneJ:


The truth be told Isaiah said "Therefore, the Lord (Jehovah) himself will give you a sign.: Behold, the virgin (maiden) shall be with child,& shall bring forth a son....". 7 :14

i take it by your addition of "maiden" that you believe mary wasn't truly a virgin

Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

johnw47

yes there you have given me error , i gave explanation of phil and john verses because you don't understand them, i also gave verse showing that the Word is equal to God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
try not twisting which is lying

The Word is not equal to the father St least the Word came from the father. That is enough.

I did not twist anything but you on the other hand is the one twisting and turning up verses to mean what it did not say.

Here again..
Did Phil.2:6 says Jesus is equal to the father? No!

Did John 14:28 says the father is greater than Jesus? Yes!

if you had eyes to see you would see that the Son is God even to the Father:
Heb_1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Lol..the word God is a title right? Any entity can assume this title but unto us there is but one and only true God, The father and he is forever God to the Son, the Son worshipped the father but the Father never worshipped the Son at any point. May God's word be forever settled. Amen!

You are a human and your father is human too, but your father is greater than you in every other aspect of existence. It us that simple

i know who, not what the Holy spirit is, you say the Holy spirit is "a what"
you say the word is "a god", you say Jehovah is the Father only, when Jehovah is God
the Father and the Word, in other words you do not know God in the least

I see that you are having problem with my use of 'what' and 'a' but no problem. Remember that the name Yahweh is said to be derived from a self existing word Eheyeh asher Eheyeh. Translated into I am who I am or I will be what I will be. Do you also have problem with "what" God says he will be?

Here is Jesus referred to as "holy thing" in this kjv verse
Like 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

false jw have two god's, father a almighty god and son a mighty god

Just in case you think am a JW, well am not. The Father made the Son a Mighty God. He wills as he pleases. No ambiguity.

you say Father is "a holy spirit" just like you say the Word is "a god"
but God's word only speaks of one Holy Spirit, same as it talks of only one true God
however you don't believe God's word and change what it says

I am not the one making three persons to be one person here, yes the father is a spirit and he is holy is he not a holy spirit? I am not the one changing God's word here but you. The holy spirit as u know it is of God, it comes from God the father. Same way as Jesus is of God, came from God the father.

there are many verses showing that the Holy spirit is a person and not just God's power
you post verses showing that you think say the Holy spirit is not a person,
is not God
and i will post verses showing that the Holy Spirit is a person, is God

You might want to start posting the verses that says Holy spirit is a person as in image of the invisible God just like Jesus is manifest in the flesh then I might take you serious on this topic.

The holy spirit is the power of the highest take it or leave it.
Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

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The Mystery of Godliness is manifested unto us already. Whereby we now know the Father through his Son.



Jesus did not lie when he said that he is the SON OF GOD. The Jews wanted to stone Him because they misunderstood him. Also because they are receiving new message that they were not accustom to, something the former prophets did not or can not claim. That was why he went ahead and told them "even ye are gods"



I strongly disagree with the bold here please. God the Father is not Jesus the Son of God. Neither did he(Jesus) claimed to be the father. But he came to make the father known to us John 17:3



Yes! Jesus is the image of the invisible God the father,he was not in any way saying that he is God the father but rather telling his disciples that seeing him is a revelation of who God his father/their father is.



Good! Through which means is God the father in the Son? Through the power of his holy spirit. Same way through the power of the holy spirit the father and the Son dwells in us. 1 John 4:13 "Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit." I will like you start from verse 1 of that 1 John chapter 4. the father dwell in us too as we dwell in him this does not make us God the father right?





John 17:21-23

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 [b]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; [/b]and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

You see that the meaning you are trying to read into that verse is not what it says..cause if we go by your own meaning that means we also are God the father since you made Jesus to be God the father through that verse.

Shalom aleikhem![/quote]

Once again, your knowledge is amazing. You remind me of Apollos, the disciple.

We're all gods, yes. But Christ was God.
Just like we're all sons of God, but only Jesus Christ is a one of a kind Son of God.

Seeing Christ as just the Son of God is ok. But it comes with its limitation. When you begin to see Him in His Fullness as God, you will attain a new depth of intimacy with the Holyspirit.

Rom.9.5 - of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

1Tim.3.16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Please I urge you not to respond to this but open yourself for the leading of the Holyspirit.
If you can, pls pray in tongues to receive revelation and unveiling.

Peace and Grace to you.

Maamin:
Trinity is a false doctrine.

There is but one God.

Jesus is not coequal to Him.

The Holy spirit is the power of God.




Shalom aleikhem!

Please read 1Timothy 3:16. You see that Jesus is 100 percent God .

pressplay411:


It is our Truth. You are entitled to your truth sir. But I pray for your sake, for your family's sake and for the kingdom's sake you will reconsider. Because it is the Only way to overcome sin and fulfill purpose.

The well known lie & forgeries in King James Bible "God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim 3:16 kJV) & "There are three that bear record in heaven. The father the son the holy ghost: these three are one" (1 John 5:7 KJV ) .
These lies, distortions & forgeries has overtime become your "truth".
Issoryt !


God is not a man, that HE should lie. (Num23:19).
God says "Woe to those who call evil good.... who put darkness for light & light for darkness. .. woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight"
(Isaiah 5:20,21).


A lie remains a lie no matter how U twist & paint it to sweeten it.

Shalom.

OneJ:




The well known lie & forgeries in King James Bible "God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim 3:16 kJV) & "There are three that bear record in heaven. The father the son the holy ghost: these three are one" (1 John 5:7 KJV ) .
These lies, distortions & forgeries has overtime become your "truth".
Issoryt !


God is not a man, that HE should lie. (Num23:19).
God says "Woe to those who call evil good.... who put darkness for light & light for darkness. .. woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight"
(Isaiah 5:20,21).


A lie remains a lie no matter how U twist & paint it to sweeten it.

Shalom.

Lol I fought this too in fact I was raised believing Jesus is the Son of God. I never even knew there was any teaching or argument that Jesus is God.
So as an adult when I first heard it, I felt it was an insult to God so I faulted and fought such teaching.

I had to empty my vessel to hunble myself to scriptural teaching in foundation class and the leading of the Holyspirit.
After listening to several teachings from renown and Spirit-filled Servants of God, the Holyspirit gave me the unveiling of my life. My intimacy with Him has never been the same ever since.

Note, the purpose of Salvation is simply to overcome sin and return to intimacy with God as enjoyed by Adam and Eve in Eden to enable and empowee us to fulfill Purpose.

May we receive deeper and true revelations and understanding of God in Jesus name.

Maamin:


The Word is not equal to the father St least the Word came from the father. That is enough.

I did not twist anything but you on the other hand is the one twisting and turning up verses to mean what it did not say.

Here again..
Did Phil.2:6 says Jesus is equal to the father? No!

Did John 14:28 says the father is greater than Jesus? Yes!

you will never stop lying, show one verse that i have twisted oh false accuser
i gave a verse showing the Word is equal to the Father
here it is for third time:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

now where are your verses showing that the Word is not God?

Maamin: Lol..the word God is a title right? Any entity can assume this title but unto us there is but one and only true God, The father and he is forever God to the Son, the Son worshipped the father but the Father never worshipped the Son at any point. May God's word be forever settled. Amen!

You are a human and your father is human too, but your father is greater than you in every other aspect of existence. It us that simple

the Father said to Jesus "O God", and you false jw say any entity can assume this title
typical false jw blasphemy

Maamin: I see that you are having problem with my use of 'what' and 'a' but no problem. Remember that the name Yahweh is said to be derived from a self existing word Eheyeh asher Eheyeh. Translated into I am who I am or I will be what I will be. Do you also have problem with "what" God says he will be?

Here is Jesus referred to as "holy thing" in this kjv verse
Like 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

God is God and the Word, and like i said you do not know who God is

Jehovah:
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
Jesus:
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Jehovah:
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Jesus:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Maamin: Just in case you think am a JW, well am not. The Father made the Son a Mighty God. He wills as he pleases. No ambiguity.

you say you are not a false jw but you believe like false jw believe, yeah sure keep fooling someone

mighty God and Almighty God are the same God-Yahovah, not two gods like you believe

Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Psa 50:1 A Psalm of Asaph. The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

Maamin: I am not the one making three persons to be one person here,

three persons one God,
you cannot stop twisting which is lying, and which you do all through your posts

Maamin: yes the father is a spirit and he is holy is he not a holy spirit? I am not the one changing God's word here but you. The holy spirit as u know it is of God, it comes from God the father. Same way as Jesus is of God, came from God the father.

of course the Holy Spirit comes from God the Father,
and yet you say God the Father is not the Holy Spirit but "a" holy spirit,
the Word being God is also the Holy Spirit

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Maamin: You might want to start posting the verses that says Holy spirit is a person as in image of the invisible God just like Jesus is manifest in the flesh then I might take you serious on this topic.

The holy spirit is the power of the highest take it or leave it.
Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

from false jw i take no false thing
of course the Holt Spirit is God's power, it is His Love also, you obviously have not experienced Him inside you, it is everything He is because the Holy Spirit is He, is God

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
^^^ so very clear
Psa 139:7 Where can I go to get away from your Spirit? Where can I run to get away from you?
Psa 139:8 If I go up to heaven, you are there. If I make my bed in hell, you are there.
^^^ david praying to God say's: where shall i get away from your Spirit, where can i get away from you,
God is omnipresent, His spirit is everywhere
Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

very clear except for the blinded

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

OneJ:




The well known lie & forgeries in King James Bible "God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim 3:16 kJV) & "There are three that bear record in heaven. The father the son the holy ghost: these three are one" (1 John 5:7 KJV ) .
These lies, distortions & forgeries has overtime become your "truth".
Issoryt !


God is not a man, that HE should lie. (Num23:19).
God says "Woe to those who call evil good.... who put darkness for light & light for darkness. .. woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight"
(Isaiah 5:20,21).


A lie remains a lie no matter how U twist & paint it to sweeten it.

Shalom.

the Word, who is Spirit, who is God, became the man Jesus Christ, Jesus in the flesh is the Son of God, in Spirit He is the Word, who is God
it's clear you don't believe the Bible, but for others i will post scripture supporting 1 Tim 3:16 that Jesus is God


Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.


Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.


Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

1Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;]

eternal
G166

αἰώνιος
aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Total KJV occurrences: 71

only God has always existed
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.