Dolemite and Tudòr are very annoying.

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Dolemite:


Fake miracles, a little charisma, sexy envangelical team and you're on your way.

of course,thats all i need to thrive in the church business.u wanna come on board?may d lord bless u as u join.[/size]

d bigrod:

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of course,thats all i need to thrive in the church business.u wanna come on board?may d lord bless u as u join.[/size]

Glory hallelujah, the lord has been so good to me, of course i'll join. . .

[size=15pt]wait o.i like all my members and church officers to be female.are u male or female?[/size]

d bigrod:

[size=15pt]wait o.i like all my members and church officers to be female.are u male or female?[/size]

Spoken like a real pastor.

And here I was ready to see TB Joshua's name.

Our God is a rich God.

oge4real:

Our God is a rich God.

LOL you actually believe that this wealthy was by the act of God.

@poster
so what is the big deal if pastors are wealthy?

Missy B:

Dolemite and Tudòr are very annoying. 

Haba. . .no vex oo. You are cool though i no dey like vex cool pple.

spikedcylinder:

Ahhhh! Ya gotta love this dude and his witty comebacks. Carry on, Tudor.
Akin says hi, by the way.

LOL Say Hi to Akin too for moi

BTW, about your siggy did kosovo really say that, coz if he did it confirms my earlier suspicion of psychiatric issues going on there. . .

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FL Gators:

LOL you actually believe that this wealthy was by the act of God.

abi o.i wonder how they acquired their wealth.do church members now pay salaries to their pastors?or are the tithe and offerings supposed to go the pastors` bank accounts.how can these `men of god `be in possession of these wealth while most of their members lavish in abject poverty.this is the main reason why i want to be a pastor too.  [/size]

Our God is a rich God.

he he is that the lies they are feeding yall now.

i guess christianity is now about financial blessings rather than love and compassion.

Where does it say in the bible it is forbidden for a pastor to be wealthy?

Well it is not a crime to be rich. Some are destined to be rich and some will be poor.
And it is written in the bible, it will be very difficult for a rich man to make heaven (for it will be very difficult for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle). And God says HE will have Mercy upon who he will have Mercy.
Finally, stop using bad words on true Anointed Men of God.

@ Tudor - u naughty indeed.

Tee_Jay:

Where does it say in the bible it is forbidden for a pastor to be wealthy?

"Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money." (1 Timothy 3:2-3).

(1 Timothy 6:5-11)

3.If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and[b] to the doctrine which is according to godliness; [/b]

4.He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

5.Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

6.[size=32pt] But godliness with contentment is great gain.[/size]

7.[size=16]For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. [/size]

8.[size=32pt]And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.[/size]

9. [size=32pt]"But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. [/size]

10.[size=16] For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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11. [size=32pt]But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness."[/size]

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Tudór:

"Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money." (1 Timothy 3:2-3).

(1 Timothy 6:5-11) .

Meaning what? The verse you conveniently quoted says "lover of money" this does not imply ministers of God cannot be rich,

Tee_Jay:

Meaning what? The verse you conveniently quoted says "lover of money" this does not imply ministers of God cannot be rich,

Did you seriously read the two different quotes of scripture with all the enlarged fonts n' all I gave or are you just living in denial?

bTW, no one has said you cannot be rich, the scripture clearly admonishes people NOT to chase wealth the way these rogues preach wealth and prosperity claiming they are rewards for your giving and seeds. ''Oh give so that doors will open for you'', ''Sow seeds in pastors life, so your business will boom''

In 1 Timothy 6: 1-5 it clearly states we are to stay away from such teachers who teach ''gain is godliness'' and then goes on to say Godliness with CONTENTMENT is great gain.

Do you greedy basterds know the meaning of CONTENTMENT??

Down the chapter it discusses the problem with seeking ''wealth and money'' then closes in chapter 11 with a call to the ''man of god'' But thou man of God, FLEE THESE THINGS and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness''

where in the above did it say you should desire billions?

yes the scriptures admonishes contentment and the warning is that those who pursue wealth run the risk of falling into temptations, It does not in any way say a christian or minister is not allowed to be rich.

2corinthians 9:8
And God will generously provide all you need. Then you will always have everything you need and plenty left over to share with others

Job 36:11
If they listen and obey God, they will be blessed with prosperity throughout their lives. All their years will be pleasant.

Ecl 5:19
And it is a good thing to receive wealth from God and the good health to enjoy it. To enjoy your work and accept your lot in life--this is indeed a gift from God.

Deut 8:18
But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth

Tee_Jay:

yes the scriptures admonishes contentment and the warning is that those who pursue wealth run the risk of falling into temptations, It does not in any way say a christian or minister is not allowed to be rich.

1 thimothy chapters 3 and 6 contain criteria for one to be a preacher. What does the word ''FLEE'' mean to you? If the bible says FLEE from sin, what does that mean?

Tee_Jay:

2corinthians 9:8
And God will generously provide all you need. Then you will always have everything you need and plenty left over to share with others

i wonder where the above translation was gotten from, here is what is in my NIV bible,

"And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work." (2 Corinthians 9:.

Did you Notice the 'NEED' part? Needs are different from WANTS. You Need a car but do you really need 5 SUV's? You need a house but do you really need 5 Houses? You need a shirt, do you need £20,000 suits?

Phillipians 4:19 even says god will supply your NEEDS according to his glory. Your basic needs are met, why lust for more?

It all comes down to CONTENTMENT doesnt it?

Tee_Jay:

Job 36:11
If they listen and obey God, they will be blessed with prosperity throughout their lives. All their years will be pleasant.

hmmm, here's what my NiV bible says. . .

11.If they obey and serve him, they will spend the rest of their days in prosperity and their years in contentment.

12. But if they do not listen, they will perish by the sword and die without knowledge." (Job 36:11-12).

Did you notice the CONTENTMENT?

But even then i still wonder why you people translate that prosperity to mean ''financial prosperity''. In verse 12 it clearly states what happens if they dont obey i.e ''perish by the sword'' and ''die without knowledge''.

Does ''perish by the sword'' and ''die without knowledge sound like the opposite of financial wealth to you?

Tee_Jay:

Ecl 5:19
And it is a good thing to receive wealth from God and the good health to enjoy it. To enjoy your work and accept your lot in life--this is indeed a gift from God.

Mehn, you need to tell me the bible you're using. With the way these con men like Oyakhilome are already publishing their own bibles it wouldnt be far fetched to see them twisting verses therein to suit their scam. . . .

herez ECC 5 : 19 from my NIV

"Moreover, when God gives any man wealth and possessions, and enables him to enjoy them, to accept his lot and be happy in his work- this is a gift of God." (Ecclesiastes 5:19).

Ecc5 :19 from my KJV

"Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God." (Ecclesiastes 5:19).

One would think it was quite obvious that these verses say. Using ''Every Man whom God has given wealth'' or ''Moreover WHEN God gives a man wealth''.

Does this Not suggest that wealth and riches are sole perogative of god to give whomever according to his purpose?

Where are we asked to desire, demand and strive for it? Where does this verse say we should go to church every sunday to hear sermons on ''The seven keys to financial prosperity'' ''Divine secret to open heavens and riches'' and so on?

Tee_Jay:

Deut 8:18
But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth

What I see here is God being credited as the one who gives wealth, where did it admonish that we strive to be rich??
Or fast and pray to be billonaires??

shior!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

So tudor is male, no?

Im glad this topis has arisen,

Before una crucify me for dis place! I am a christian,

But I am not a follow follow christian,

Theres a BIG difference!

I go to church, though not every sunday I pray often and overall would say im a compassionate person to my felow neighbours but
I will not do night vigils, i dont like BIG churches were person go drop for ground vibrate small and proclaim sudden healing of paralysis!!

Church is buisness today, you cant tell which one is genuine or deception anymore,
I have witnessed such nonesense and scandal in these BIG churches and yes among those i have seen is ASHIMOLOWO!

The guy is crooked, he is yet to be caught finally with more evidence, Pisses me off too that his son while i was in secondary school then squandered money on designers for people in my school at the age of 15! To make it worse used to bragg how much his dad was giving him as allowance,

Tell me where are fifteen yr old gets $$$$,
Church tithe is pastors son's allowance!!!

Do NOT BE DECEIVED!!!

Lady Dee:

Im glad this topis has arisen,

Before una crucify me for dis place! I am a christian,

But I am not a follow follow christian,

Theres a BIG difference!

I go to church, though not every sunday I pray often and overall would say im a compassionate person to my felow neighbours but
I will not do night vigils, i dont like BIG churches were person go drop for ground vibrate small and proclaim sudden healing of paralysis!!

Church is buisness today, you cant tell which one is genuine or deception anymore,
I have witnessed such nonesense and scandal in these BIG churches and yes among those i have seen is ASHIMOLOWO!

The guy is crooked, he is yet to be caught finally with more evidence, Pisses me off too that his son while i was in secondary school then squandered money on designers for people in my school at the age of 15! To make it worse used to bragg how much his dad was giving him as allowance,

Tell me where are fifteen yr old gets $$$$,
Church tithe is pastors son's allowance!!!

Do NOT BE DECEIVED!!!

GBAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what about the £2Million pounds that disappeared from the church coffers, he was bn investigated by the Charity Commission in the UK but he played the race card by saying they were sniffing around because the people that worshipped @ his church were predominantly black.

Ashimilowo also threw a mother of all parties for his wife @ the £250 per nite Dorchester Hotel on Park Lane, I saw the pictures in Ovation, Am yet to see one of these so-called pastors build a free primary school in a village for poor people or a free hospital for the less priviledged, these days, they all seem to be setting up private schools for the rich, try reading these book "JESUS CHRIST FOR SALE".

Church business is big business these days even yahoo boys are setting up churches.

god 4give dem 4 dey do not know wat dey re doing

lookdown:

god 4give dem 4 dey do not know wat dey re doing

Abeg SHUT UP! Nigerians are too religious, are you Jesus?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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May God forgive us o

oluagness:

May God forgive us o

Amen OOO!!! all of us.

to me i feel all siad and said when we get up there ,the truth of the matter shall prevail to everyone of us .For now lets eek Gods forgiveness for our sins ,for him to direct us to the right path and not to the path of those that have gone astrayed.please the prayer should go to the divine that created YOU and those people that that you feel you are better than(coz i know it is definitely one God dat created all of us).Maybe when we all get there we will know who is right or wrong,BUT, it mite be too late.

***peeps at thread,sees tudor . backs out covering myself with the blood of Jesus***