Joagbaje:

I dont understand is anybody's business with how a man looks. So what hair do is recommended in the bible. And is it a sin to use certain creams. Show us from scriptures and not from your religious mind. Besides that is not a jerry curl. And pastor chris is not bleaching. His parents are both light skinned. And even if he bleaches according to you , of what spiritual significance is that. What is the bible cream. This is a religous hypocrisy dont you use cream? I belive you do. So why point finger at another person cream. Dont use personal limited exposure in posts.You should back your post with Gods word. Let me give you mine.

aletheia:

^^^Hypocrite, so why does your pastor Chris bleach his skin, perm and jerry-curl his hair and go around spotting PH.D among his titles then?

mba emeka:

. . .People that refuse to depend on their degrees,looks, abilities or charisma. . .

Joagbaje:

1Sa 16:7
for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

2Co 10:7
¶ Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

aletheia:

What the Word teach is modesty.

aletheia:

And whats your bad belle. For PHD. If a man has PHD in theology, and its disturbing you. Go get yours. He got it because of people like you. That require outward title for approval. Because some will not listen untill they know what back up your authority. He didnt get it for show. he wants to rach everyone. Paul had to identified with different classes just to reach. them .He even shaved his head ! all for Jesus!

1Co 9:20
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

I once preached to a lecturer in my school days who was an Eckist, He asked me , outside the bible which books have I read, I said I didnt care what any other book says Iread only my bible. "I told him I preached Jesus and him crucified!" He told me he could not discuss with me again, that my mind was narrow.I lost that soul . From that day. I began to read anything about any religion. And I had better result in soulwinning. If you dont know a man's motive , You should either ask or keep quiet. You dont have moral right to judge and conclude the motive of another person. It is a sin.

That means Jesus was a cultistist too, I dont mind this Jesus cult. Afterall he is head of all principality.

fyneguy:

^^^^^^ Nonsensical Epistle

uche13:

Another thing is this, through my years in the church and the body of Christ i have seen a lot, i know that we may have peole around us who go to christ embassy and to churches in general who potray the ministry in bad light. the fact still remains that no church is perfect. I will never say mine is because i have seen a lot that makes me to know that christianity is personal but one thing i know is that there are faults everywhere [font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font][/b]because we are in the [b]endtime now[i][/i][/color]. All i know to do is to serve my God and am pursuing a deeper relationship with Him daily because at the end of the day there wont be church in heaven . So my advise is that we should not say things we dont have a concrete evidence about as per all the stories of[color=#990000] fake healings [/b]etc.[b] I have been there and i know that miracles happen [/color]and we are taught the most important of all which is salvation. Perhaps [color=#990000]even if the miracles are fake[b][/b] it does not in anyway mean that miracles generally are fake cos God's word is supreme.

nuclearboy:

And jerry curls, bleaching IN A MAN are modesty?  

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Ha Ha!. I laugh, Which one is the real phonetic? Your Yoruba Yoruba? or Nna? a begi!

[quote]His (the Eckist's) soul belonged to you and you lost it? Where? in the bushpath behind your house, perharps

aletheia:

@Joagbaje:What you wrote above was in response to my post below:Which in turn was a direct riposte to this:
So here is the logic which you so obviously missed in your self-arrogated though by no means obligatory role as the defender of Pastor Chris:

If Pastor Chris belongs as alleged to the set of people who refuse to depend on their degrees, looks, abilities or charisma (see Hebrews 11:36-38, for examples), why then is it obvious that he spends an inordinate and disproportionate amount of resources on his looks?

There is difference between having good looks and depending on good looks. God believes in good and beautiful parkaging .

Exodus 28:2
   And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.

God use handsome people,  David, Solomon, Daniel, Shadrach,Meshach, Abedenego. Saul etc.

Even a natural King would not demand anything less, how much more GOD,

Daniel 1:3-4
   And the king spake unto Ashpenaz the master of his eunuchs, that he should bring certain of the children of Israel, , [4] Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, , , and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace,

Our presentation of ourselves as his representatives only relfects our respect and honor for him and a good self image. By the way ? How much is cream?  How much is your shoe and suit.? Lets leave petty matters.

[quote]Why go about spotting a worldly title PH.D

I thought you are a medidcal personel. If youre a doctor , or lab scientist is it labbist or labber. Whatever. Some  patients that would not listen to a nurse needs to know Your person to listen to you. Some will not believe anything until a doctor says " You will be fine" . This is a man talking to the world. He is not just a pastor of one local congregation. The title is for them. Give what is for caesar to caesar.

1 Cor. 9:20-23
   And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; [21] To them that are without law, as without law,  that I might gain them that are without law. [22] To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. [23] And this I do for the gospel's sake,

which buttresses the point that given that men are easily carried away by what they see, then the man of God ought not to let his personal appearance, one way or the other detract from the gospel.

His good looks has only helped the gospel. A terrible cultist in his school days once got saved seeing him in a crusade on campus those days. He said if a handsome man like this can be serving God, what Im I waiting for. He God saved that day. I have spoken to several also who got healed while watching him on tv. But i get suprised when i heard them say, "The first thing that attracted me was his good looks". It is Godly to look good. It is ungodly to look unkept.

Man look on the outward , God look into the heart. Give the outward to man. Give the heart to God.

Jesus did not stand out from his followers, hence the necessity of an identifying sign.

Pastor Chris encourages everybody to look good.  He tells us ." It doesnt have to be expensive to look good"He is not doing one man show. Most of his members stands out like him. Good balance.

Is it modest of pastor to be given to frippery? What example is he setting for others?

Good look is not frippery.

Even woman are admonished to beware of such things in the word.
I Peter 3:3, 4. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair, the wearing of gold, or the putting on of clothing—but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

Youre quoting  the scripture out of context here. Peter was dealing with family problem here. If a man is not behaving well to his wife. If he has become backlisdden that he cant be corrected by the Word ,The wife should not try to win his affection by extravagant appearances in other to gain his attention or affection.But rather to win the affection of such distracted fellow with love and submission.

He was dealing with motive here and not the adornment. If you you apply it to ardonment, you will mess things up.
Dont forget his purpose. Read from the beggining.

1 Peter 3:1
   Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation (character) of the wives;  and bla bla bla[b], [/b]

So if you go ahead with your application. It would mean that women should not Plait their hair,wear jewelries ,clothes (apparel) They should go nude.

1 Peter 3:3
   Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wear[b]ing of gold[/b], or of putting on of apparel;

So if  hair do is wrong,wearing of gold is wrong and Wearing clothes also would be wrong.

^^^The whole thrust of your argument above is that the gospel is so crippled that it needs the crutches of human learning to help it along, hence your story about the Eckist. Does it then mean that you don't believe these scriptures?

Dont let us be hypocritical here. Im sure its not only bible you study. I have read some of your posts. Your knowledge of other faiths to an extent gives you advantage to know what they believe and use it to bring them to truth. If you dont care to know what i believe, how should i listen to you.

Paul in athens had to use what the people belive in to reach them. "The unknown god"

Acts 17:23
   For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

I have won thousands to Christ, Muslim, Eckist, Amorc, cultists, etc.

Maybe you should read mavenbox posts on islam and see the power of insight into other faiths.

aletheia:

@Joagbaje:What you wrote above was in response to my post below:Which in turn was a direct riposte to this:
So here is the logic which you so obviously missed in your self-arrogated though by no means obligatory role as the defender of Pastor Chris:

If Pastor Chris belongs as alleged to the set of people who refuse to depend on their degrees, looks, abilities or charisma (see Hebrews 11:36-38, for examples), why then is it obvious that he spends an inordinate and disproportionate amount of resources on his looks?

Why go about spotting a worldly title PH.D

which buttresses the point that given that men are easily carried away by what they see, then the man of God ought not to let his personal appearance, one way or the other detract from the gospel.

Jesus did not stand out from his followers, hence the necessity of an identifying sign.

Is it modest of pastor to be given to frippery? What example is he setting for others?

Even woman are admonished to beware of such things in the word.
I Peter 3:3, 4. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair, the wearing of gold, or the putting on of clothing—but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

^^^The whole thrust of your argument above is that the gospel is so crippled that it needs the crutches of human learning to help it along, hence your story about the Eckist. Does it then mean that you don't believe these scriptures?

uche13:

i find it annoying at the manner some members of christ-embassy comment and i must confess that they are the real problem of the church by the way they narrowly respond to issues and act as if they were sent by Pastor Chris to always defend him aimlessly through blindless arguments.

This does not make us greater than Jesus and im sure Pastor Chris never said that.

Joagbaje:


His good looks has only helped the gospel. A terrible cultist in his school days once got saved seeing him in a crusade on campus those days. He said if a handsome man like this can be serving God, what Im I waiting for. He God saved that day. I have spoken to several also who got healed while watching him on tv. But i get suprised when i heard them say, "The first thing that attracted me was his good looks".

Joagbaje:

Man look on the outward , God look into the heart. Give the outward to man. Give the heart to God.

Joagbaje:

. . .Most of his members stands out like him. . .

Joagbaje:

Paul in athens had to use what the people belive in to reach them. "The unknown god"

Acts 17:23
For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Joagbaje:

[size=14pt]I[/size] have won thousands to Christ, Muslim, Eckist, Amorc, cultists, etc.

aletheia:

^^^An excellent example of the man-centred gospel that you lot peddle. The gospel does not need any help. Certainly not the help of a man's looks.
Where in the book of Acts do you find disciples coming to Christ because of the "good looks" of Peter, John, Paul etc? [b]All the glory must be to God! But you lot don't get it. I seriously doubt if anyone who says he started going to church because of the good looks of another is saved.[/b] Where is the repentance? Where is the turning from sin and turning to Jesus?Your statement only confirms the truth of God's word. They only want teachers to suit their passions and soothe their itching ears.

2Tim 3:5. having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

[i][b]I Samuel Chapter 16.
[6] When they came, he looked on Eliab and thought, Surely the LORD's anointed is before him.
[7] But the LORD said to Samuel, Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because [b]I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.[/b]

Even Samuel (Prophet and Judge) looking on Eliab thought to himself Surely the LORD's anointed is before him. But you know what: God said I have rejected him.
Yes they do. For all the wrong reasons. Like a greater number of the females dressing as if they are peddling their bodies.
You misapply the scripture. Paul did not use what they believed in to reach them. Did the Athenians believe in the unknown god? When you read Paul's address at the Areopagus: you will see that he was direct and to the point. If he was using your methods, he would first of all have engaged in a philosophical discourse seeing as there were stoics and epicureans there, before gently easing in the gospel!
^^^You couldn't help but write this. What bearing did it have on the discussion at hand? Self-glorification is a virtue with you lot rather than giving all the glory to God. If those to whom you "preached" are saved: then they were won by the Holy Spirit not Joagbaje.

John 3:30. He must increase, but I must decrease.

Joagbaje:

I doubt if talkers like you preach the gospel at all.

Joagbaje:

You that has not recieved the holyghost is the one its talking about here. We have the power of the holyghost backing our gospel with signs and wonders. " Not in words like people like you but in power" .Its so amazing that a religious fellow who hasnt recieved the holyspirit nor know him will be accusing someone who demonstrates the power of the spirit of denial of the power!.
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Abeg I Tire!

Why the anger and tirade? Because I told you that it is the Holy Spirit that wins souls not pastor Joagbaje? I guess your pride was hurt.

Joagbaje:


There is difference between having good looks and depending on good looks. God believes in good and beautiful parkaging .

SirJohn:

Did you mean 'packaging'? yeah that what the whole CEC thing is all about 'packaging' or 'Make believe' in other words

mba emeka:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!

Depravity had a friend and envy was his name o!

We spend billions in reaching the unsaved because we received a divine mandate from God almighty "to take my divine presence to the nations of the world and demonstrate the character of my spirit"

petres_007:

Cos all the apostles and early Christians had was the "old fashioned" (compared to your version) gospel of God's grace & salvation through Jesus Christ. And it was always enough to get souls saved and keep them on the path of righteousness throughout their lives.

He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.