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Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by naijaking1: 8:34am On Jul 12, 2010
odedele:

When cadbury had problems few years ago and was declared insolvent, the regulatory agency in the foods and beverages sector did not think ackwardly like Sanusi is now thinking towards forcefully taking over this company. Neither was any form of forced loan given as a bait which under an aggrement decided by CBN and its self imposed management was converted covertiously into equity stakes in these banks.
I bought intercontinental banks IPO at #13:50k, BPHP at #17:00k, Oceanic bank at >#14;00 and it would be cheating of the greatest order if CBN forcefuly spoils business for shareholders of all these companies only to acquire the shares at between #0:50k – #1:00k.
This is called cheating, lunacy and madness from infidels who are bent on not retracting their steps.
I urge all shareholders of all these banks to begin to file a law suit against the regulatory agencies suing heavily for damages for compounding the woes of these companies pending the preposition of rights issues.
In the first place, CBN and NDIC should have given the shareholders of these banks the opportunity to remove the managements and re-capitalize their institution before thinking of this unjust aggressive takeover. The way and manner the regulatory bodies CBN and NDIC has managed this issue is a good sign of unprofessionalism, evil agenda plan among other biased and selfishly connoted reasons.

Thank you, this has been our argument from day #1. As the CBN, you find or suspect that Oceanic was not playing by the rules, ok. You should have ordered the shareholders to remove the "thieving managers" and even given them a week or two to return all questionable bad loans. No, not only did Sanusi sack the CEOs(some of whom he has had personal differences with), he sacked the board of directors, and injected unneeded funds into these banks capital base under the pretense that they were just about to fail.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by tkb417(m): 8:50am On Jul 12, 2010
whats with the Press an SLS anyway?

by the way, what has happened to Paddy Lo?

he seems to be swinging my way on SLS now

hehehe

a revival is in the air

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i just hope the man will try to keep his mouth shut henceforth; No one is gonna give his words wrong interpretations if he speaks less

he shd shut the hell up grin grin
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by justdtruth: 10:30am On Jul 12, 2010
if the issue at hand is that sanusi talks too much or that perhaps he doesnt understand how the nigerian media operates by making statements that can be understood differently from what he meant, then we may be right. he needs to watch what he says and how he says it. another angle to this issue is the politics that might be played with this. an example is the question, is he pro capitalism or anti captalism?

if however, we want to talk about the banks, the ceo, the directors as well as shareholders. i bet you it all a mess. a lot of people do not know how our markets operates and the economy at large.
i work on the books of companies listed on the exchange and i can tell you that for the bailed out banks, its a sad story. if you see some of these things, you shout yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

for some of these banks, shareholders just have their names on paper, the banks are dead and they know this. that is why they have not been talking these and that legal actions. what do you say about a bank with a negative shareholders fund of 250 billion naira? oh somebody will say let them raise the capiatal, i ask, how? when a supposedly healthy bank could not even raise a fifth of that during the bobble period.

you see, sanusi might be talikng too much but he speaks the truth and that truth is not relative if the what we talking about is the banking mess we had about a year ago
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by babaogun(m): 11:03am On Jul 12, 2010
@justdtruth, nice comment

Sanusi has responded to the punch article below

http://www.cenbank.org/out/2010/pressrelease/gov/PRESS%20STATEMENT-Re%20Nigerian%20banks%20as%20gamblers.pdf

Mallam Sanusi reiterated that with the reforms, Nigerian banks have stabilized with many of them back to profitability. According to him, “our banks today are in better shapes than many of the European banks although there are still challenges that are being addressed”.

Meanwhile, I will like to quote him on this in the future. However, when such disclaimers are made, I believe CBN should have given us his entire speech at the lecture to actually confirm what he said exactly.

On the other hand, i think SLS is probably as qualified for the CBN role as any other Nigerian.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by kobikwelu(m): 12:46pm On Jul 12, 2010
@justdtruth, nice comment

Sanusi has responded to the punch article below

http://www.cenbank.org/out/2010/pressrelease/gov/PRESS%20STATEMENT-Re%20Nigerian%20banks%20as%20gamblers.pdf

Mallam Sanusi reiterated that with the reforms, Nigerian banks have stabilized with many of them back to profitability. According to him, “our banks today are in better shapes than many of the European banks although there are still challenges that are being addressed”.

Meanwhile, I will like to quote him on this in the future. However, when such disclaimers are made, I believe CBN should have given us his entire speech at the lecture to actually confirm what he said exactly.

On the other hand, i think SLS is probably as qualified for the CBN role as any other Nigerian.


nobody is saying that sanusi is not saying the truth,

he should realize that his office is a very strategic office,

in developed economies, the apex bank head knows that he/she hold an office that can spell doom for other economies,

what sanusi should realize is he should be carefull with his utterances as everything he says would be blown out of proportion.
HE SHOULD TRY AND BE INSTILLING CONFIDENCE IN THE BANKING SECTOR AND STILL BE CARRYING OUT HIS REFORMS INSTEAD OF GLOBE-TROTTING AND STILL BE DESTROYING THE HOUSE THAT HE IS TRYING TO BULD
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by oluagness(m): 1:11pm On Jul 12, 2010
He should go ahead and sanitize our banking system as he is saying noting but truth. House forgive me if you are offended.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by mrperfect(m): 3:29pm On Jul 12, 2010
Thank you for telling us.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by Rastamann: 2:20am On Jul 13, 2010
And Sanusi is the Gambling Director.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by paddylo1(m): 3:04am On Jul 13, 2010
by the way, what has happened to Paddy Lo?

I dey Kampe. . . cool
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by chelseabmw(m): 9:01am On Jul 13, 2010
Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'YAHOO Centers' grin grin
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by K3L3CH1: 10:29am On Jul 13, 2010
chelseabmw:

Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'YAHOO Centers' grin grin

grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

This gentleman is going to ruin the sector unless something drastic is done to get him out. He seems to be only after is own selfish personal agenda and not that of the bank/nation.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by manheim: 10:03am On Jul 14, 2010
we tend to build personalities rather than institutions in Nigeria. if the cbn had gone on with their reforms without sanusi trying to make himself the all and all, i believe more would be achieved. the usa experience is much worse than wot we have in nigeria, yet, u hardly hear their fed. reserve chairman saying a quarter of the things that sanusi says at every opportunity he gets, infact, am sure not every american knows the name of the guy but i can bet u that every nigerian and indeed the whole world that has any financial leanings know who sanusi is, i sometimes wonder if he is looking for an award maybe (local n international).
nb: am not saying his policies are wrong, infact i agree with most of them, rather, its the way that he goes about blowing his trumpet that i dont like - u dont spread ur dirty linen in public, thus, right step in the wrong direction.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by oyebanji(m): 9:33am On Jul 15, 2010
I totally agree with him. I watched his presentation, and I think he is right.

But, the regulator i.e CBN needs to be cleansed too, cos they were not blind when all these were happening. They did approve the reports of those banks as being good.

So while trying to whip the banks to place, he should also sanitise his house.

Rgrds
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by chelseabmw(m): 10:29am On Jul 15, 2010
K3L3CH1:

grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

This gentleman is going to ruin the sector unless something drastic is done to get him out. He seems to be only after is own selfish personal agenda and not that of the bank/nation.

don't mind the man jare
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by Peterwins(m): 3:34pm On Jul 15, 2010
What do you expect from a CBN Governor with a M.sc. Sharia & Islamic Studies ( Int'l University of Africa, Khartoum, Sudan) . Yar Adua hired a financial terrorist to Head our apex bank. How do you expect a terrorist to solve problems. The rest is history. I pray none of you should have an argument ( on religion, culture, finance, politics, etc) with a terrorist. All arguments should cease. GOD BLESS NIGERIA.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by babaogun(m): 9:22am On Jul 16, 2010
CBN: Shareholders Now to Recapitalise Rescued Banks

The flip flop policy changing continues


The Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) has enhanced the participation of shareholders in the recapitalisation of rescued banks by bestowing on them the power to midwife the process.
They would also take the final decision on who invests in the financial institutions.

With this development, the apex bank has heeded to the wishes of the shareholders, who have been clamouring that they be allowed to recapitalise the banks.

Addressing stakeholders of the rescued banks in Abuja yesterday, CBN Governor Sanusi Lamido Sanusi, according to a statement made available to THISDAY, said the apex bank would not usurp the rights of shareholders.
He assured them that the final decision on recapitalisation rests with them.

Present at the meeting which was chaired by Sanusi were the boards of directors of the rescued banks, their management as well as shareholders. The meeting was the second in the series of dialogue initiated by the CBN to ensure effective collaboration in the process.

Sanusi was also said to have reassured them that having secured the depositors’ fund with the reform programme, the focus of the CBN now is to salvage some value for the shareholders.

He made it clear that the CBN would not sell the banks, as it is not the business of the banking watchdog to do that. The CBN, according to Sanusi, only recommended some reputable financial advisers who are working with the board and management of the banks to source and negotiate with any of such investors.

He emphasised that the process of repackaging the banks is being driven by their board, some of which have held discussions with strategic partners, without direct involvement of the CBN.

“The Governor reassured the stakeholders that the shareholders would definitely play an important role in the recapitalisation exercise and that the process of giving value to their shares is already assured with the coming on board very soon of the Assets Management Corporation Of Nigeria, (AMCON),” the CBN statement read.

“On the issue of on-going litigations against the CBN, it was noted that a few individuals took the action without the consent of the seven zonal shareholders associations and that these few individuals who went to court only did so for personal reasons, as such individuals do not represent the opinion of the shareholders," it added.

The CBN, however, said that if the on-going process to recapitalise the affected banks is not successful, the apex bank would have no other option than to go for liquidation as provided by the existing legal framework.

Sanusi noted that liquidation and nationalisation are not desired options for the banks, stating that he is convinced that fresh injection of capital through strategic partnership remains the best approach.

The stakeholders, according to the statement, commended the CBN for reaching out to the shareholders and urged that the two options of liquidation and nationalisation should not be considered.

They also recommended that the CBN should go for the option that protects both the depositors and the shareholders and promised to consult with other shareholders to withdraw all court cases. Besides, they advised that the new management put in place by the CBN should be communicating with the shareholders regularly.

The CBN had some months ago engaged the boards of the banks and their major shareholders to a similar meeting, during which it urged them to support the recapitalisation programme or risk losing their investments.

The CBN governor has said repeatedly that the recapitalisation programme is in the interest of local investors who stand to regain their lost investments in the organisations after their recapitalisation, the recovery of reasonable portion of bad loans and the return of the banks to profitability.

AMCON set to take off in about a fortnight, after presidential assent to the bill, it is believed that all issues surrounding the recapitalisation of the banks would be resolved.

The CBN intends to clear $10 billion (about N1.5trillion) of bad loans from the banking system by the end of this year, in support of the recapitalised banks.

Sanusi said recently that bids on the banks would be released by September or October this year, adding that four international banks were among the likely bidders.
He said bids on the banks are to close by the end of July.

Sanusi recently said he is optimistic about the rescued banks’ recapitalisation. “Foreign investment in Nigeria is expected to rise as investors bet on rising oil prices, increased Nigerian oil production, and improved regulation of the banking sector," he stated.

The rescued banks are those the monetary authority found in “grave financial situation” following the joint examination of the CBN and the Nigeria Deposit Insurance Corporation (NDIC) and the release of the findings on August 14 and October 2 last year. The banks are Intercontinental Bank, Afribank, Oceanic Bank, Finbank, Union Bank, Bank PHB, Spring Bank and ETB.

http://thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=178453
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by Akosbaba(m): 11:30pm On Jul 18, 2010
I honestly don't understand why he's been criticised for enlightening the public i.e does it make sense 4 a family to own 40% of a bank?
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by naijaking1: 11:41pm On Jul 18, 2010
Akosbaba:

I honestly don't understand why he's been criticised for enlightening the public i.e does it make sense 4 a family to own 40% of a bank?

Why not? A person or a family can spend their money any legal way they like.
What's the problem with 100% personal ownership of a company or a bank? As long as a family obeys the laws of the land, there're should be no restriction on how a group spends their own money, that's what capitalism is all about.
Do you want a list of personally owned banks and companies worldwide
When people like you and Sanusi begin to preach against personal ownership of companies, it simply portrays him as a socialistic enforcer at the top helm of our capitalistic echellon sad
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by paddylo1(m): 11:57pm On Jul 18, 2010
I honestly don't understand why he's been criticised for enlightening the public i.e does it make sense 4 a family to own 40% of a bank?

why dont u go start your own bank and own 50%  if u like. . .
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by bidemi12(m): 12:18am On Jul 19, 2010
People still dont know how dangerous it is for a family to own such huge stakes in a sensitive institution like a bank. Especially in a country where regulatory authorities do not function properly. Hmmmm, upon all that has happened people still do not understand. Amnesia is a serious disease in nigeria.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by chamber2(m): 2:21am On Jul 19, 2010
But come to think of it,must a cbn gov talk carelessly in public like a pregnant woman?has he 4gotten dat whatever he says d mkt picks it?where did he study his own economics or was it talkanomics he studied?
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by chamber2(m): 2:24am On Jul 19, 2010
People still dont know how dangerous it is for a family to own such huge stakes in a sensitive institution like a bank. Especially in a country where regulatory authorities do not function properly. Hmmmm, upon all that has happened people still do not understand. Amnesia is a serious disease in nigeria.

Are u saying they should v taken the money to swiss banks like ur broda Abacha?
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by naijaking1: 3:05am On Jul 19, 2010
bidemi12:

People still dont know how dangerous it is for a family to own such huge stakes in a sensitive institution like a bank. Especially in a country where regulatory authorities do not function properly. Hmmmm, upon all that has happened people still do not understand. Amnesia is a serious disease in nigeria.

Foolish man!
I'm so disappointed for a man who stays at Savanah, GA to make such a statement. I have lived in Atlanta, and Augusta, GA, do you want a list of private or family companies in GA? All of them doing very well, contributing to the growth and economic well being of the state of GA? And you're here complaing about how dangerous allowing private companies to grow big could be in Nigeria?

All those "mega banks and companies" started from some one's dream, hardwork and personal, yes personal funds before they became big enough to attract the jealous attention and religious confusion of the Sanusi Lamidos of this World.

Banning personal companies and banks are not the answer, making the rules stronger, and applying it accross board is the way t o go, just like in GA where companies like Coca-cola, Suntrust bank, and Home Depot have personal and family based origins. Why not in Nigeria
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by bidemi12(m): 3:19am On Jul 19, 2010
naijaking1:

Foolish man!
I'm so disappointed for a man who stays at Savanah, GA to make such a statement. I have lived in Atlanta, and Augusta, GA, do you want a list of private or family companies in GA? All of them doing very well, contributing to the growth and economic well being of the state of GA? And you're here complaing about how dangerous allowing private companies to grow big could be in Nigeria?

All those "mega banks and companies" started from some one's dream, hardwork and personal, yes personal funds before they became big enough to attract the jealous attention and religious confusion of the Sanusi Lamidos of this World.

Banning personal companies and banks are not the answer, making the rules stronger, and applying it accross board is the way t o go, just like in GA where companies like Coca-cola, Suntrust bank, and Home Depot have personal and family based origins. Why not in Nigeria


Myopic slowpoke. are you posting for the sake of it? did you read through my post thoroughly or were you jerking off at some p.o.rn site while trying to digest it too. I stated it was dangerous in a country like nigeria where regulatory institutions do not function properly. and what does your living in savannah at one time have to do with the issue at hand? fool.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by paddylo1(m): 3:31am On Jul 19, 2010
and what does your living in savannah at one time have to do with the issue at hand?

perhaps he is trying to say that the south is as capitalist and economically conservative as they come
They dont suffer Socialist easily,and certainly wont suffer the likes of Sanusi. . . .

However the problem with Sanusi is that no-one really knows where he stands
is he a capitalist or socialist?

If he is a socialist he really has no business being CBN Governor and should humbly resign
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by KwarmaJnr: 10:51am On Jul 19, 2010
A referee of Gamblers!

Is there any provision 4 gamblers in the SEC and Banking industry Regulation? If Yes, Sanusi shld leave them to discharge a duty within the scope of their jurisdiction: if no, then the referee shldnt tall let him call a spade a spade a do his work: Union Bank, Intecontiniental, Afri, BankPHB etal are waiting patiently to see whether same will be applicable to the "Gambling" Banks.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by PapaBrowne(m): 11:59am On Jul 19, 2010
bidemi12:

People still dont know how dangerous it is for a family to own such huge stakes in a sensitive institution like a bank. Especially in a country where regulatory authorities do not function properly. Hmmmm, upon all that has happened people still do not understand. Amnesia is a serious disease in nigeria.

Sad commentary!! Statements like these contribute to the death of entrepreneurship. So individuals & families should be prevented from owning business because regulation is poor. My question: Who then would start banks??

However, that aside. Read your statement again and you will find that you've actually indicted Sanusi's CBN and not Family owned business.

Who is the regulatory authority for banks?? Isn't it Sanusi's CBN? If the CBN is not functioning properly, isn't that what Sanusi should be seeking to fix rather than making policies that are inimical to entrepreneurship??

Also ask yourself why most American financial institutions are names of people. Wells Fargo, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Charles Schwab all initially belonged to individuals or groups of individuals.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by bidemi12(m): 12:05pm On Jul 19, 2010
PapaBrowne:

Sad commentary!! Statements like these contribute to the death of entrepreneurship. So individuals & families should be prevented from owning business because regulation is poor. My question: Who then would start banks??

However, that aside. Read your statement again and you will find that you've actually indicted Sanusi's CBN and not Family owned business.

Who is the regulatory authority for banks?? Isn't it Sanusi's CBN? If the CBN is not functioning properly, isn't that what Sanusi should be seeking to fix rather than making policies that are inimical to entrepreneurship??

Also ask yourself why most American financial institutions are names of people. Wells Fargo, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Charles Schwab all initially belonged to individuals or groups of individuals.


keep deceiving yourselves. in this instance you want to imitate america. when it comes to following the rules of the game it then becomes a problem.
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by naijaking1: 3:58pm On Jul 19, 2010
bidemi12:


Myopic slowpoke. are you posting for the sake of it? did you read through my post thoroughly or were you jerking off at some p.o.rn site while trying to digest it too. I stated it was dangerous in a country like nigeria where regulatory institutions do not function properly. and what does your living in savannah at one time have to do with the issue at hand? fool.

The main reason why Nigeria is not moving forward is because of people like you. People who go overseas like Savannah, GA where there is good road, regular electric power supply, and yes private and personal banks, but when givien the opportunity to apply the same reasonable and proven administrative policies to Nigeria(Africa); they simply give in to retrogressive ethno-religious sentiments.
You know personal banks work quite well in the US, why are you against it in Nigeria? Why should private ownership of banks be one of the major issues Sanusi and Hausa/Fulani elites kick against Nigerian banks
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by Kobojunkie: 11:21pm On Jul 19, 2010
naijaking1:

The main reason why Nigeria is not moving forward is because of people like you. People who go overseas like Savannah, GA where there is good road, regular electric power supply, and yes private and personal banks, but when givien the opportunity to apply the same reasonable and proven administrative policies to Nigeria(Africa); they simply give in to retrogressive ethno-religious sentiments.
You know personal banks work quite well in the US, why are you against it in Nigeria? Why should private ownership of banks be one of the major issues Sanusi and Hausa/Fulani elites kick against Nigerian banks

You are still missing the point of the post to which you responded to there . . . .

bidemi12:


Myopic slowpoke. are you posting for the sake of it? did you read through my post thoroughly or were you jerking off at some p.o.rn site while trying to digest it too. [size=13pt]I stated it was dangerous in a country like nigeria where regulatory institutions do not function properly[/size]. and what does your living in savannah at one time have to do with the issue at hand? fool.

bidemi12:


keep deceiving yourselves. [size=13pt]in this instance you want to imitate america. when it comes to following the rules of the game it then becomes a problem.[/size]

ROFLMAO!!
Re: Sanusi Hits Banks Again: Calls Them 'Gambling Centers' by gozzilla(m): 1:18pm On Jul 21, 2010
This has always been my point from the very beginning of Sanusi's reign. First, i felt he was too spontaneous, and i still stand by that. I don't believe he has a long term plan for the banking sector. Every of his move has been more reactional than calculated. Now sanusi who at one time was a top director in one of our bank accuses the bank of being gambling centers. A banker should know better, he is the head of a "gambling center". His speech will not change any of that. Gambling has been all banks are all about. That is why the big international banks can go bankrupt in one bad deal. That is why the frauds at such banks are massive.

Now this is not to say that his accusation is wrong, but what is he doing about it. Now that the whole clean up euphoria is gone where are the real banking (really economic ) policies that the economy needs. Let him not end up making Soludo's tenujre look so good.

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