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Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by BestDude: 3:20pm On Oct 17, 2018
Atiku US Case
Facts of the Matter

By Eyitemi Taire:

I actually downloaded the 328 page document on the 4 cases including Atiku and read it all. There are many points of interest.

The US govt were concerned about the $40m Atiku brought into US accounts, especially as he was a politically exposed person.

Please note that the funds were mostly brought from Panama and British Virgin Islands from the accounts of his business partner at Intel's, Mr Volpi. Surely if Atiku knew his funds were proceeds of corruption rather than the legitimate business of Intel's, he would have left the funds in the tax havens from where they came, and where they would have been safe from the prying eyes of the US govt.

Also interesting is that when notice was given to him that his accounts would be closed, he was allowed to transfer the funds, which he did...to the UK, no less! Again I would wonder why a smart 'criminal' such as him would keep his 'proceeds of corruption' in economies where they can be easily probed and seized.

The main accusation the US govt made against him was that $2.8m was paid to his accounts by Siemens. But the same accusers admitted that there was a consultancy agreement giving legitimacy to those funds. They also noted that Siemens' books showed purchase of watches worth $170k for 'P' and 'VP', which they ASSUMED to mean OBJ and Atiku. At no point did the report ever confirm the assumption.

His 4th wife who operated the accounts in question is a US citizen, who at the time was living in the US. It is interesting that she was made to answer questions and then nothing happened!

His lawyer, who is very prominent in those parts, at one point after an account was closed, opened an account for Atiku under his law firm and was a signatory to the account...hardly the actions of a lawyer who knows his client's funds are proceeds of corruption. In case you don't know, he could have gone to jail for that if the money was indeed proceeds of corruption. Again he was asked to answer questions and provide documents, and then nothing!

The same report details the profits from Intel across several countries in Africa, which ran into at least a couple of hundred millions per annum. $40m seems like a minor amount in that context.

I know that APC people are a bit allergic to thinking through issues before bandying slogans and propaganda around. But any one who has any amount of money in foreign accounts and is Nigerian knows how those funds are treated with extreme suspicion often to the point of shutting the accounts down. In fact when your principal Buhari went to England and said that all Nigerians are corrupt, there was a huge wave of British banks shutting Nigerian accounts down. I'm sure those people who were affected will protest vigorously that their money was not proceeds of corruption. Indeed the banks and the governments doing this know that, otherwise the funds would have been held pending investigation.

Please Sir, stop bandying these stories around. They don't help your Principal (Buhari) one bit. On the contrary, they make him look like a desperate man who will do anything and say anything to hold on to power, even though he cannot deliver the minimum results.


Lalasticlala Mynd44

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by bedspread: 3:23pm On Oct 17, 2018
Festus and his boys will just be Shouting Google it! Google it on twitter!

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by Afamed: 3:23pm On Oct 17, 2018
Don't be clever by half. You can't distort the elementary truth to promote your pay master. One of the numerous cases that involved Atiku, is the Congressman Jefferson, he's serving a jail term presently in US. Jefferson is one the accomplice of Atiku Abubakar in a corruption and bribing scandal in US. It's simple as ABC, tell Atiku to go to US.

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by madridguy(m): 3:24pm On Oct 17, 2018
No story, Atiku should go near US embassy first tongue Shikena

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by rusher14: 3:30pm On Oct 17, 2018
Be there typing rubbish.

Atiku's wife fled the states.

The criminal himself has been unable to fly to the states despite his wealth and status.

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by BestDude: 3:37pm On Oct 17, 2018
rusher14:
Be there typing rubbish.

Atiku's wife fled the states.

The criminal himself has been unable to fly to the states despite his wealth and status.
can you counter the OP with facts or your floppy disk brain memory can't process superior argument?

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by rusher14: 3:41pm On Oct 17, 2018
BestDude:
can you counter the OP with facts or your floppy disk brain memory can't process superior argument?

Are you ok?

Is it news that Atiku's wife has Fled the States?

Is it news that Atiku has been unable to visit the States for about a decade now?

Caution your tone.

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by REDshouse(m): 3:42pm On Oct 17, 2018
Let him enter us border first and lets see whatd next

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by Afamed: 3:52pm On Oct 17, 2018
BestDude:
can you counter the OP with facts or your floppy disk brain memory can't process superior argument?
Congressman Jefferson, is an accomplice in a case of bribing and corruption that involved Atiku in US. Presently Jefferson is serving a jail term in US. Tell Atiku to visit US. A return ticket to America is presently N500k which Atiku can easily pay. If he returns unblemished, I will definitely cast my 1 vote for him.

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by BestDude: 3:54pm On Oct 17, 2018
Afamed:

Congressman Jefferson, is an accomplice in a case of bribing and corruption that involved Atiku in US. Presently Jefferson is serving a jail term in US. Tell Atiku to visit US. A return ticket to America is presently N500k which Atiku can easily pay. If he returns unblemished, I will definitely cast my 1 vote for him.
conjecture... You have the doc abi? Go in and screen grab the section that holds your claim. Simple.

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by Omeokachie: 3:57pm On Oct 17, 2018
Why una dey waste una time nau?

Let Buhari and APC tell us why we should return them in 2019. Instead of providing answers and reasons, Keyamo was shouting Atiku cheesy

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by Afamed: 4:01pm On Oct 17, 2018
BestDude:
conjecture... You have the doc abi? Go in and screen grab the section that holds your claim. Simple.
I will give you a US government website. www.hsgac.senate.gov .Go to the website type Atiku in the search column. You will see all you need to know about the money laundering and bribing indictment of Atiku from page 173. What you will see there are not my words but directly from the US. Those indictments clearly show the kind of character of Atiku .

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by hucienda: 4:02pm On Oct 17, 2018
More investigative pieces like this!

Good one there, Mr Eyitemi Taire.

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by BestDude: 4:09pm On Oct 17, 2018
Afamed:

I will give you a US government website. www.hsgac.senate.gov .Go to the website type Atiku in the search column. You will see all you need to know about the money laundering and bribing indictment of Atiku from page 173. What you will see there are not my words but directly from the US. Those indictments clearly show the kind of character of Atiku .

Oga I have the PDF on my phone. All you people do... Is refer others to the site instead of stating your points convincingly...


Show me where it is stated that the wife fled... Or that Atiku has been banned from entering the US. He wired funds, who doesn't wire funds? Also note that the funds were spread across some years and not a whole swoop transfer.

It was a case study...

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by Afamed: 8:53pm On Oct 17, 2018
BestDude:


Oga I have the PDF on my phone. All you people do... Is refer others to the site instead of stating your points convincingly...


Show me where it is stated that the wife fled... Or that Atiku has been banned from entering the US. He wired funds, who doesn't wire funds? Also note that the funds were spread across some years and not a whole swoop transfer.

It was a case study...
You lack consistency.Was he indicted or not?

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by BestDude: 9:35pm On Oct 17, 2018
Afamed:

You lack consistency.Was he indicted or not?
Oga show prove from that screenshot that the money that was wired was actually stolen funds or shut up. Even the US can't prove it. They only raised alarm because of the amount that was coming in.. That is wired funds from offshore.

Semen on the other hand may have been advised by their lawyer to plead guilty in order to prevent further escalation of the matter...

Words like "alleged" doesn't mean you actually committed the crime... It is just an allegation. Going further you will see where they said "suspected". Look up the meaning of suspect and allegation... Those are like "guess" before concrete proves of claim.

Looking at the aforementioned dates, I can see OBJ's hand in it; he probably fed them the info of bribery scandal.

Why didn't they arrest the wife if they were so sure it was stolen funds? I mean the US legal system is pretty fast to apprehend anyone found wanting unlike what we have here in Nigeria where court case takes years but the wife was still moving around and went as far as opening other bank account until she "fled" according to you "A pieces"

The lawyer even went as far as telling other banks to open bank account for the wife... Again, why? Is the lawyer not afraid of being caught in a fraudulent scheme?

Again... The doc was labeled "a case study" ... What does case study mean again?

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by PaulNSK: 9:46pm On Oct 17, 2018
APC should tell us what Bubu has done so far
Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by ozo13(m): 9:47pm On Oct 17, 2018
BestDude:
Oga show prove from that screenshot that the money that was wired was actually stolen funds or shut up. Even the US can't prove it. They only raised alarm because of the amount that was coming in.. That is wired funds from offshore.

Semen on the other hand may have been advised by their lawyer to plead guilty in order to prevent further escalation of the matter...

Words like "alleged" doesn't mean you actually committed the crime... It is just an allegation. Going further you will see where they said "suspected". Look up the meaning of suspect and allegation... Those are like "guess" before concrete proves of claim.

Looking at the aforementioned dates, I can see OBJ's hand in it; he probably fed them the info of bribery scandal.

Why didn't they arrest the wife if they were so sure it was stolen funds? I mean the US legal system is pretty fast to apprehend anyone found wanting unlike what we have here in Nigeria where court case takes years but the wife was still moving around and went as far as opening other bank account until she "fled" according to you "A pieces"

The lawyer even went as far as telling other banks to open bank account for the wife... Again, why? Is the lawyer not afraid of being caught in a fraudulent scheme?

Again... The doc was labeled "a case study" ... What does case study mean again?
nawao .but why has he refused all this year to enter the US nah.may be he doesn't like the weather

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by BestDude: 10:22pm On Oct 17, 2018
ozo13:
nawao .but why has he refused all this year to enter the US nah.may be he doesn't like the weather
what has entering US got to prove?

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by onavae(m): 11:48pm On Oct 17, 2018
Afamed:
Don't be clever by half. You can't distort the elementary truth to promote your pay master. One of the numerous cases that involved Atiku, is the Congressman Jefferson, he's serving a jail term presently in US. Jefferson is one the accomplice of Atiku Abubakar in a corruption and bribing scandal in US. It's simple as ABC, tell Atiku to go to US.

I have listened to you guys tell this lie over and over again. congressman Jefferson was not jailed because of any dealings with Atiku. he was jailed after collecting several monies from a business woman who wanted to invest her money in the Nigerian oil and gas industry. Jefferson claimed he could get her in, but needed money to bribe Nigerian officials, but he just swallowed the money, did nothing and kept asking for more. frustrated, the lady went to FBI who set up a sting operation and caught him in the act collecting marked bills from the lady. that's what he went to jail for, he was playing the woman "419".

there's even a documentary about this.

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by blujoi(m): 1:13am On Oct 18, 2018
Atiku has not been able to enter the US because they have refused to issue him a visa, he requires a visa to enter. Atiku has been a private citizen for how long now, what do you think it will take for US to request for his extradition to face charges. Secondly did you also read the part where it was stated that after the investigation, the funds were not confiscated, they allowed him to take out the funds and he took it to the UK. Why do you think they allowed him to take it out?

Now, if you know the size of Intels, you will know that Intels is not a one man company, Intels operates in more than 5 countries. I have seen a couple of their invoices to one of the Major oil and gas companies for work done and one of those invoices are not less than $3m, and these are monthly invoices and it was more than one invoice, so imagine how much Intels makes from providing exclusive logistics services to at least 15 Oil and gas companies in Nigeria and then multiply that to the number of countries they operate. So do you think that Atiku couldn't have gotten $40m from his share of his interests in Intels in 8 years?
Let me tell you something else, If an iota of proof was established against Atiku, Obj would have made sure he completely obliterated Atiku using EFCC and US law enforcement agencies just like he did to Alameseiya of Bayelsa. Do you know why the Bayelsa governor was hunted down? Because he was selected to be Atiku's VP back then. Obj made sure he took him out, got him impeached at night and arrested in a foreign country. It is not beyond Obj to instigate the US authorities to stifle Atiku and make him a persona non-grata to US, due to his vindictiveness. I do not hold court for Atiku to say that he is not corrupt, none of these politicians are angels, but since PDP has chosen him as their presidential candidate, I prefer him to PMB, because he is more of a progressive minded individual than Buhari.


ozo13:
nawao .but why has he refused all this year to enter the US nah.may be he doesn't like the weather

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by blujoi(m): 1:20am On Oct 18, 2018
Thank you my brother for providing this enlightenment. You know that an often repeated lie with time starts to look like truth as long as its repeated over and over again. This was the case with Jefferson, he took the money and hid it in his freezer and was spending from it and all the time was name dropping that he had access to top Nigerian government officials and most especially that he was in direct talks with the then VP, Atiku.


onavae:


I have listened to you guys tell this lie over and over again. congressman Jefferson was not jailed because of any dealings with Atiku. he was jailed after collecting several monies from a business woman who wanted to invest her money in the Nigerian oil and gas industry. Jefferson claimed he could get her in, but needed money to bribe Nigerian officials, but he just swallowed the money, did nothing and kept asking for more. frustrated, the lady went to FBI who set up a sting operation and caught him in the act collecting marked bills from the lady. that's what he went to jail for, he was playing the woman "419".

there's even a documentary about this.

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by jpphilips(m): 1:37am On Oct 18, 2018
A lot have been said about Buhari, how he brought hardship on Nigerians, how he is responsible for all the suffering in Nigeria, is that theory backed with facts and global economic realities or the shenanigans of few individuals basking in the Euphoria of ignorance?
Since I must make a choice between our present loud political gladiators, I armed myself with Economics textbooks and news archive, here is what i discovered.

Nigeria an oil producing and oil dependent economy suffered a global economic hit called crude oil price shock
it is the sudden drop in price of crude oil in the commodity trading market, it has occurred at different times in History nearly every decade. Countries that are hardest hit by crude shock are basically countries that not only produce crude oil in significant amount but solely depend on it as their foreign exchange earner. While oil shocks have asymmetric effects in oil-exporting developing countries; lower oil prices lead to major revenue cuts and ensuing stagnation in the economy, but higher oil prices and accompanying higher revenues do not translate into sustained economic growth.

What are the effects of crude shock in oil producing developing economy?

Forex scarcity: Most developing economies whether oil producing or not depend on importation to survive, where foreign currency becomes scarce, industries, individuals that have significant need for forex will likely close shops giving birth to the second problem unemployment then finally the master Recession.

Unemployment: When industries no longer have forex to buy spare parts, can no longer afford raw materials, production slows, sales slows, profit eroded, workers sacked, since the volume of activities in the economy is directly proportional to the GDP, the GDP contracts and birth another economic monster Recession.

Recession is a chain reaction of unpalatable economic events that shows the economy is not experiencing growth but contracting, lets look at the effects of recession, high energy cost (energy in most developing economies are subsidized one way or another) crude shock and eventually recession erodes government revenues till a point where it could no longer afford subsidies and other things it used to afford.
In Nigeria where our Electricity Generation companies are subsidized, petroleum products are subsidized,you will understand that such partial or complete subsidy removal will quickly skyrocket the cost of living generally, transportation, cost of food etc are equally affected that leads to another monster called Inflation.

Inflation: is defined as a phenomenon where huge bills are in search of few goods, how is that possible? when the industries that produce goods closed down, imports could not be sustained due to Forex shortages where will the goods come from? the absence of those goods while the bills remain triggers inflation, causes hunger and eventually poverty and devaluation of local currency.

Devaluation is when global reserve currencies trade higher than your currency, of course you recall that an economy in crude shock first suffers Forex shortages, that robs the central bank (in the case of Nigeria) the ability to fix the currency at a reasonable exchange rate.
The local currency is allowed to float along a band the cbn thinks may not be too hurtful to the economy.
Forex ban is placed on certain commodities, debit cards like Visa, Mastercard et al are all placed on monthly transaction limits as a reflection of the reality of forex shortages.

Between 2015-2018, all these happened in the Nigerian economy, then I asked "are we the only oil dependent economies in the world? why us alone?
The answer took me to several countries in the world and I realized that other oil producing countries dont depend on oil alone, countries like Russia though the largest producer of crude oil in the world, has a robust defense industry that contribute significantly to its GDP, Russia equally enjoys large market shares in Gas distribution in Eurasia, by the time crude oil shock hit, Russia had over $400b in reserves,
It became clear that the only economic move that could hold off crude oil shock and other global economic shocks is a robust foreign exchange reserves (Savings).

Permit me to take us down our economic history, in 2008 during the global melt down, the then CBN governor prof. Chukwuma Charles soludo bragged that the Nigerian economy is immune to global shocks? That would have sounded ridiculous but it is true, what did he do? they launched an economic strategy called National Economic Empowerment And Development Strategy NEEDS.
This strategy recommended that once crude oil is sold, the balance above the budget benchmark is kept in an account called the ECA, by the time that government left and another took over in 2007, both the ECA & Foreign reserve account held over $68b in reserves, in a $200b economy at the time, that reserve was significant enough to whither any storm that comes the way of our economy, Much later into the crisis, Nigeria later relaxed its exchange rate to 155 to a dollar. now we know that Nigeria had in the past stood resilience in the face of global shocks with a culture of Savings.


Fast forward to 2015, The top four producers of crude oil in Africa by their production, Nigeria, Angola, Algeria and Egypt were all in recession even though Egypt does not significantly depend on oil but her economy was shattered. Algeria escaped recession because by 2014, just like Nigeria in 2008, Algeria had a foreign reserve balance of $90b in a $156.1b economy.You can see that the Robust reserve of Algeria was their savior in this modern crude shock era. The previous administration in Nigeria boasted of leaving behind a paltry $19b for a $500b economy at the time, that amount is not even enough to pay for imports let alone absorb global economic shocks, so Nigeria can be rightly described in late 2014 as an oil dependent economy with no savings. How important is this savings?

Lets take our research to the Second largest producer of crude oil Angola, just like Nigeria with no significant savings, Angola's challenges needs no introduction, let facts speak for itself

Angola suffered severe Forex & currency challenges just like Nigeria. According to Bloomberg
They not only devalued their currency, they equally allowed it to float like Nigeria's
Angola devalued its currency as the OPEC member sought to revive an economy still reeling from the oil-price crash four years ago.

The kwanza fell 11 percent to 187.95 per dollar by 3:35 p.m. in Luanda and depreciated 10 percent to 221.75 against the euro. The move came a day after the central bank allowed the currency to weaken in its first auction of foreign exchange since announcing it would end a dollar peg that’s been in place since April 2016.....Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-09/angola-kwanza-weakens-in-first-currency-auction-after-peg-lifted

Borrowing to fund Budget deficits, just like Nigeria, Angola has borrowed to the point of requesting a bail out from the IMF
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/08/angola-says-to-request-4-5-bn-imf-loan-as-crisis-lingers/

Unemployment Rate in Angola increased to 20 percent in 2017 from 19.90 percent in 2016.
https://tradingeconomics.com/angola/unemployment-rate


Inflation in Angola was a whooping 23.67 percent in December 2017, data on the national statistics agency's website showed on Wednesday.
Price growth on a month-on-month basis rose to 1.47 percent in January from 1.2 percent previously.

Poverty in Angola
According to Angola's 2001 MPI, more than 77% of the population was multidimensionally poor. ... The latest available World Bank figure for income poverty in Angola, from 2008, shows that 36.6% of the population is income poor. Angola's population is currently estimated at 29.7 million.

I can go on and on the list is endless, as a matter of undeniable fact, Angola just like Nigeria are the largest producers in Africa, they practically did not save enough and they were hit hard by crude price shock. to balance the analysis, it will be unfair to discuss those that didn't save without giving kudos to those that saved, like i said previously, Algeria save a whooping $90b when the going was good, as such its economy was immune to crude shock.

Russia like we said though had currency challenges during the period under review ostensibly because of western sanctions, Russia had over $400b in reserves by ending of 2014.

Saudi Arabia was immune to crude shock not without little currency & subsidy issues ostensibly because of its huge financing of the war in Yemen, they were sitting on a comfortable $732b by the end of 2014.

Some even blamed it on Avengers attack of 2016

Niger delta avengers was a non issue, if you noticed, I expunged them from my analysis, here is why;
You were in crude shock from late 2014, Avengers struck in 2016, since 2014, your GDP wasn't showing any growth but retrogression or doldrums meaning you were heading towards recession anyways as a result of crude shock.

If Avengers did not strike, OPEC would have asked us to cut production to boost prices,
read:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-28/opec-said-to-agree-on-first-oil-output-cut-in-eight-years
So Avengers or any form of production cut at the time was a non issue.

Nigerian people, what is your present government doing to stem this tide that has shocked the fabrics of our nation to the Marrow?


The vice president being the economic manager of the country Launched the EGRP, with it Nigeria even in recession was able to save $47b in our foreign reserve, at this pace, I have no doubt that this money will hit $100b in the next 4yrs, that is a guarantee that our economy will become immune to global shocks, not just crude shocks. (Algerian model)
The moment that money crossed $40b, forex shortages disappeared, importers stopped complaining, debit cards relaxed their limits etc, that was a killer stroke in our economic recovery strategy.inflation has responded to the potency of the EGRP to 11.23% from 18.8%.

Nigeria is building a Gas liquefying plant called the NLNG train 7 project, that will in a way increase revenue from Gas against depending on oil alone, there are other ongoing Gas projects like the AKK projects and other Gas for power projects (Russian model)
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/07/nnpc-signs-agreement-for-seven-critical-gas-projects/

In conclusion, I can state for a fact that the economic challenges of this country has nothing to do with Buhari under the circumstances he met on ground, we have a chance to fix culpability of blames where it rightly belongs on crude shock, or replace this government whose framework seems promising with another leadership of questionable integrity. past government whose inaction landed us in this mess in the first place.
A leadership in the past that we tasked to privatize our industries, all failed save for the one that ended up in his pocket, yet he claimed to create Jobs? How many jobs were lost in that privatization scam where 56 government entities perished?
Where is our NITEL, ALSCON, Nicon Insurance to mention a few? Leadership that claims to create jobs but his company PRODECO folded up? Leadership that claim to create jobs yet it was Buhari that sacked foreigners littered everywhere in his company, does an ordinary logistics company need that much foreigners?

Leadership that is a case study for corruption and money laundering by the US Senate committee on Homeland security, Leadership that preaches restructuring but but enjoys monopoly in Niger delta sea ports? Atiku is a walking scam, may we not walk into the scam called Atiku because of lie peddled and perfected by the same holocausts that landed us in bondage, every scam comes with a loud noise, say No to Atiku.........

You have my express authority to circulate at will

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by jpphilips(m): 1:59am On Oct 18, 2018
BestDude:
Atiku US Case
Facts of the Matter

By Eyitemi Taire:

I actually downloaded the 328 page document on the 4 cases including Atiku and read it all. There are many points of interest.

The US govt were concerned about the $40m Atiku brought into US accounts, especially as he was a politically exposed person.

Please note that the funds were mostly brought from Panama and British Virgin Islands from the accounts of his business partner at Intel's, Mr Volpi. Surely if Atiku knew his funds were proceeds of corruption rather than the legitimate business of Intel's, he would have left the funds in the tax havens from where they came, and where they would have been safe from the prying eyes of the US govt.

Also interesting is that when notice was given to him that his accounts would be closed, he was allowed to transfer the funds, which he did...to the UK, no less! Again I would wonder why a smart 'criminal' such as him would keep his 'proceeds of corruption' in economies where they can be easily probed and seized.

The main accusation the US govt made against him was that $2.8m was paid to his accounts by Siemens. But the same accusers admitted that there was a consultancy agreement giving legitimacy to those funds. They also noted that Siemens' books showed purchase of watches worth $170k for 'P' and 'VP', which they ASSUMED to mean OBJ and Atiku. At no point did the report ever confirm the assumption.

His 4th wife who operated the accounts in question is a US citizen, who at the time was living in the US. It is interesting that she was made to answer questions and then nothing happened!

His lawyer, who is very prominent in those parts, at one point after an account was closed, opened an account for Atiku under his law firm and was a signatory to the account...hardly the actions of a lawyer who knows his client's funds are proceeds of corruption. In case you don't know, he could have gone to jail for that if the money was indeed proceeds of corruption. Again he was asked to answer questions and provide documents, and then nothing!

The same report details the profits from Intel across several countries in Africa, which ran into at least a couple of hundred millions per annum. $40m seems like a minor amount in that context.

I know that APC people are a bit allergic to thinking through issues before bandying slogans and propaganda around. But any one who has any amount of money in foreign accounts and is Nigerian knows how those funds are treated with extreme suspicion often to the point of shutting the accounts down. In fact when your principal Buhari went to England and said that all Nigerians are corrupt, there was a huge wave of British banks shutting Nigerian accounts down. I'm sure those people who were affected will protest vigorously that their money was not proceeds of corruption. Indeed the banks and the governments doing this know that, otherwise the funds would have been held pending investigation.

Please Sir, stop bandying these stories around. They don't help your Principal (Buhari) one bit. On the contrary, they make him look like a desperate man who will do anything and say anything to hold on to power, even though he cannot deliver the minimum results.


Lalasticlala Mynd44

If you actually read that document and this was what you could make out of it, then your education is at its ebb.
First of all Atiku's case in that document is not up to 20 pages let alone 300+ as you claimed.

Secondly, the FBI interviewed Atiku's wife Ms Douglas and she admitted she doesn't know the sources of the money but they were cash transfers that belongs to her husband through a proxy lawyer, english isn't that difficult.

It simply means that Atiku was collecting bribes from different sources and routing it through the accounts, some of the accounts are AUN's account, infact the head of AUN told the committee just like Douglas that there are inflows that belong to Atiku but they barely know the source. That is Atiku's money laundering cases alone amount to over $40m
Jail term awaits.

On Jefferson, Atiku demanded for bribe from a US congress man, bribe which was later discovered in Jefferson's freezer that landed Jefferson in jail for 13yrs.
According to US penal code 201, asking, taking & giving bribe is punishable by not more than 15yrs imprisonment.

When he was issued a subpoena by the department of Justice, he ran away from the US in contravention of US penal code 104 which carries a sentence of not more than 3 months.
You can see that besides the money laundering case, Atiku is owing the US government, 15yrs (maximum sentence) and 3 months in prison.
If you think you are right, Atiku should go to the US and clear his doubts once and for all.


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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by ozo13(m): 6:13pm On Oct 18, 2018
blujoi:
Atiku has not been able to enter the US because they have refused to issue him a visa, he requires a visa to enter. Atiku has been a private citizen for how long now, what do you think it will take for US to request for his extradition to face charges. Secondly did you also read the part where it was stated that after the investigation, the funds were not confiscated, they allowed him to take out the funds and he took it to the UK. Why do you think they allowed him to take it out?

Now, if you know the size of Intels, you will know that Intels is not a one man company, Intels operates in more than 5 countries. I have seen a couple of their invoices to one of the Major oil and gas companies for work done and one of those invoices are not less than $3m, and these are monthly invoices and it was more than one invoice, so imagine how much Intels makes from providing exclusive logistics services to at least 15 Oil and gas companies in Nigeria and then multiply that to the number of countries they operate. So do you think that Atiku couldn't have gotten $40m from his share of his interests in Intels in 8 years?
Let me tell you something else, If an iota of proof was established against Atiku, Obj would have made sure he completely obliterated Atiku using EFCC and US law enforcement agencies just like he did to Alameseiya of Bayelsa. Do you know why the Bayelsa governor was hunted down? Because he was selected to be Atiku's VP back then. Obj made sure he took him out, got him impeached at night and arrested in a foreign country. It is not beyond Obj to instigate the US authorities to stifle Atiku and make him a persona non-grata to US, due to his vindictiveness. I do not hold court for Atiku to say that he is not corrupt, none of these politicians are angels, but since PDP has chosen him as their presidential candidate, I prefer him to PMB, because he is more of a progressive minded individual than Buhari.


but why will a highly place person like Atiku not to be granted the visa to enter US.u and I know something big must be wrong somewr.politics aside.don't u think something is wrong for him not to be granted the visa?

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by Yyeske(m): 7:02pm On Oct 18, 2018
Afamed:

I will give you a US government website. www.hsgac.senate.gov .Go to the website type Atiku in the search column. You will see all you need to know about the money laundering and bribing indictment of Atiku from page 173. What you will see there are not my words but directly from the US. Those indictments clearly show the kind of character of Atiku .
Thanks for this link, downloaded all pages already.

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by Yyeske(m): 7:05pm On Oct 18, 2018
jpphilips:


If you actually read that document and this was what you could make out of it, then your education is at its ebb.
First of all Atiku's case in that document is not up to 20 pages let alone 300+ as you claimed.

Secondly, the FBI interviewed Atiku's wife Ms Douglas and she admitted she doesn't know the sources of the money but they were cash transfers that belongs to her husband through a proxy lawyer, english isn't that difficult.

It simply means that Atiku was collecting bribes from different sources and routing it through the accounts, some of the accounts are AUN's account, infact the head of AUN told the committee just like Douglas that there are inflows that belong to Atiku but they barely know the source. That is Atiku's money laundering cases alone amount to over $40m
Jail term awaits.

On Jefferson, Atiku demanded for bribe from a US congress man, bribe which was later discovered in Jefferson's freezer that landed Jefferson in jail for 13yrs.
According to US penal code 201, asking, taking & giving bribe is punishable by not more than 15yrs imprisonment.

When he was issued a subpoena by the department of Justice, he ran away from the US in contravention of US penal code 104 which carries a sentence of not more than 3 months.
You can see that besides the money laundering case, Atiku is owing the US government, 15yrs (maximum sentence) and 3 months in prison.
If you think you are right, Atiku should go to the US and clear his doubts once and for all.


Please educate those kids please

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by Ziggylady(f): 7:08pm On Oct 18, 2018
After all said and done...my family and i as well every single person i know are Atikulating setiously..

No time abeg.
Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by engineerboat(m): 7:19pm On Oct 18, 2018
Afamed:

I will give you a US government website. www.hsgac.senate.gov .Go to the website type Atiku in the search column. You will see all you need to know about the money laundering and bribing indictment of Atiku from page 173. What you will see there are not my words but directly from the US. Those indictments clearly show the kind of character of Atiku .

No be only page 173.

Have you read the whole document


BMC people are so funny always thinking with their anus.


Why not copy the page 173 here or screen grab it

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by engineerboat(m): 7:21pm On Oct 18, 2018
Afamed:

You lack consistency.Was he indicted or not?

Show us where he was indicted mass and stop blabbing

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by engineerboat(m): 7:25pm On Oct 18, 2018
jpphilips:


If you actually read that document and this was what you could make out of it, then your education is at its ebb.
First of all Atiku's case in that document is not up to 20 pages let alone 300+ as you claimed.

Secondly, the FBI interviewed Atiku's wife Ms Douglas and she admitted she doesn't know the sources of the money but they were cash transfers that belongs to her husband through a proxy lawyer, english isn't that difficult.

It simply means that Atiku was collecting bribes from different sources and routing it through the accounts, some of the accounts are AUN's account, infact the head of AUN told the committee just like Douglas that there are inflows that belong to Atiku but they barely know the source. That is Atiku's money laundering cases alone amount to over $40m
Jail term awaits.

On Jefferson, Atiku demanded for bribe from a US congress man, bribe which was later discovered in Jefferson's freezer that landed Jefferson in jail for 13yrs.
According to US penal code 201, asking, taking & giving bribe is punishable by not more than 15yrs imprisonment.

When he was issued a subpoena by the department of Justice, he ran away from the US in contravention of US penal code 104 which carries a sentence of not more than 3 months.
You can see that besides the money laundering case, Atiku is owing the US government, 15yrs (maximum sentence) and 3 months in prison.
If you think you are right, Atiku should go to the US and clear his doubts once and for all.



Where is your evidence

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Re: Atiku US Case-fact Of The Matter,by Eyitemi Taire by BestDude: 7:36pm On Oct 18, 2018
engineerboat:


Where is your evidence
don't mind them. JPPhilips will always try to insult you just to appear superior.

Where is Oga Sagamite when you need him?

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