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|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 4:58pm On Sep 22, 2010|
Check out Myer-briggs
Fundamental to the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is the theory of psychological type as originally developed by Carl Jung.:xiii Jung proposed the existence of two dichotomous pairs of cognitive functions:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by Gamine(f): 5:06pm On Sep 22, 2010|
I'm actually working backwards from Myers-Briggs,
That's how I got to IFA
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by AwoOnifade(m): 5:29pm On Sep 22, 2010|
So baba, we good for Odi Meji and ready to move on to Irosun Meji? Or you want to explore Odi meji some more?
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 9:47pm On Sep 22, 2010|
^^^ Why don't you do the honours with Irosun Meji.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by AwoOnifade(m): 5:44am On Sep 23, 2010|
Ahere o ku iwo ni kan soso ninu oko,
Eru o ba aba niju
O dijo ojo ba ro
Ki ahere o too di eleni
A dia fun Egbe Ope ti somo bibu Agbonniregun
Ebo ni Won ni ko se
O si gbebo, O rubo
Nje owo ti n o se la ni Ifa
Bi Ifa ba hu kan, maa teji
Owo ti n o se la ni Ifa
Bi Ifa ba hu meji maa tekan.
Owo ti n o se la ni Ifa
Farmhouse the only occupants in the farm
The barn is not afraid of the wilderness
Not until the day that rain falls
Before the farmhouse becomes inhabitied
Ifa declerations to Egbe Ope, child of Agbonniregun
The told him to offer ebo and he head and did
The job I will prosper with is Ifa
If the Ikin remain one, imprint two
The job I will prosper with is Ifa
If the Ikin remain two imprint one
THe job I will prosper with is Ifa
Ifa says the religion and job this person should be doing is Ifa. This person also need to be truthful. Ase
Etala soju baragaga,
Adia fun aye ti sawo lo ile onidere,
Aye o ku mo, ni dere laye wa,
Awo rere ni redere.
Etala have spread eye,
Divined for earth that went to onidere house,
Earth never die, it is in idere ( means never dies),
A good babalawo must never died.
Ifa foressee blessing of long life for the person if he can make ebbo he will live long. Ase
I think two is good enough. It is good that we are putting down these things for people to see the beauty of our tradition. But you must remember the babalawo work very hard to learn these verses. The must become Eru to their masters to learn or in some cases must pay them. So let us not cheapen the sacrifice that they make to learn.
A question was asked about how long it takes for a babalawo to be trained, it varies from place to place and idividual to individual. Some students learn ifa at a scary pace and others take much longer. Average 5 years .But that is just preliminary training. Think of it as associate degree. Then from there they are more or less assistants, Then they will add to what they know from different teachers and different places. Its easier now because the foundation has been laid so they begin to learn specialized Ifa. This can take more years. Then we can say for lack of better comparisons. That person has a Bachelor's and can now maybe practice Ifa independently, So they must keep increasing themself until they true PHD babalawo. So depending on the person an average of 10 to 15 years is needed before than person is a real adept.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 9:31am On Sep 23, 2010|
Irosun also tells us of the need for patience before achievement in life. It tells us why people will meander around in life before finding and achieving their true destiny.
Apparently after choosing our ayanmo (destiny) in heaven we make our way down to earth crossing 7 hills until eventually at the last stage he are made to embrace a certain tree called the tree of forgetfulness. When we do so we forget our destiny that we've chosen, and our heavenly existence. Then we are born into this world in this state of having forgotten.
However all is not lost. Irosun tells us that our destiny will come to us in the form of dreams and subtle intimations. It is murky and can't be discerned clearly. There is a faculty given by a deity called Osun which helps us to see things that are not normally visible to the senses. When irosun meji comes out the client can be told to offer something to Osun and to pay close attention to dreams and fantasies, even waking day dreams.
expectations and things desired are often delayed in Irosun. I think that this is one meaning behind the titular awos:
Ahere o ku iwo ni kan soso ninu oko,
Eru o ba aba niju
O dijo ojo ba ro
Ki ahere o too di eleni
The Farmstead is lonely, but the barns should not be afraid or disconcerted. Their time is still coming. It seems like they've been abandoned but when the rains come they will become popular again.
Also there is a choice. Irosun talks a lot about choice contract. The choices made in heaven before birth and the choices made on earth after being born. because we have forgotten our choice contract (ayanmo) in heaven we often make wrong choices here on earth. This dichotomy of right and wrong choices is depicted as chosing between Fire and Water. Or a fair skinned husband or a dark skinned husband. Or sometimes depicted as a choice between Sunlight and Rain.
Fire, sunlight, or the fire skinned man because of their brightness and vivacity would seem like the better choice but in the stories we always find that water is the right choice in the end.
That is why the last line of the titular awo says that it is until the day that the rain falls that ahere (the farmhouse) will become popular again.
Olojo tere nnako
Ina pupa belej, ara nta
Ojo dudu bolojo, ara nta
Kaka nfe ina me fe omo, ara nta
Olueri ma gba mi
oo l'oko agbado
Olojo tere nna
Lord of Rain, you are welcome to the farm
You are welcome
Fair complexioned fire, my body is paining me
Dark complexioned water, my body is paining me
Instead of marrying fire I wil marry rain, my body is paining me
Olueri (god of rivers) rescue me
Rain is the husband of the corn
You are welcome
Lord of Rain you are welcome
You are welcome.
Once upon a time the earthworm was betrothed to Rainfall. However one day she meet the sunshine who was such a splendid fellow, dazzling and shining and shewing such promising prospects. When the sunlight winked at her, she thought, 'why am I wasting myself with that dull rainfall fellow. This other guy is much better'. That is how she jilted the rainfall. She packed into sunshines house.
But it wasn't long before she started to feel uncomfortable. Everything about this sunshine guy was just so oppressive sha. She began to appreciate that she had landed herself in a real hot peppersoup. She decided to run away from Sunshine. But sunshine found out and started to chase her. As he was blazing away behind her she was really feeling the heat as she ran. She started to cry out.
Ojo o , Aranta
Ina pupa beleje o
Omo Ara nta o Ojo
omo dudu bolojo
Ojo Ara nta Ojo
Rain O, my body is paining me
Fair complexioned Fire o
My body is paining me,
dark complexioned rainfall, my body is paining me
Rainfall my body is paining.
Rain fall became sympathetic to her plea and started a downpour on her. That was how the earthworm was saved from her stuppid choices based on what seemed better to her carnal mind.
Fire is bright and impressive but water is dark and obscure. It is very rare in life that what seems better is actually better. But we must be patient and let the unpromising water take time to blossom it's potential.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by AwoOnifade(m): 7:47pm On Sep 24, 2010|
Great. I like how the thread going
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by AwoOnifade(m): 4:37pm On Sep 26, 2010|
Ojo Awo loni.
Okuta a la ma seje,
difa fun owo,
Omo abimo marun, jere mararun,
Abufun Ese, omo abimo marun, jere mararun,
Won ni ebo ni ki won se
Omo owo ki ku loju owo,
Omo ese ki ku loju ese,
Iwa ki toju oniwa baje,
The stone break and have no blood,
Divined for hand,
That will give birth to five children and reap the fruit of his five children,
Also for feet that will give birth to five children and reap the fruit of all five
The children of hand will not died in the presence of hand,
The children of leg will not died in the presence of leg,
Someone behaviors will not perish in his presence.
Ifa said that the person shld make ebo for his or her children that he/she will see their benefit, and he/she should change his or her behaviour to good.
Thought I would get the ball rolling so that we can accomplish Baba Pastor's goal of going through the first 16 Odu Ifa.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by AwoOnifade(m): 5:00pm On Sep 26, 2010|
Did Baba Idinrete or Baba Pastor give you the information that you wanted? if not you can always get me at my yahoo id. I would love to see how I might be able to answer whatever questions you may have.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by oderemo(m): 5:05pm On Sep 26, 2010|
have you ever been to ode remo.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by AwoOnifade(m): 7:09pm On Sep 26, 2010|
No i have not been to ode remo
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 4:17pm On Sep 27, 2010|
Hi Gamine, please if you find any correlations between myers-briggs and Ifa could you kindly share. Thank you.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by AwoOnifade(m): 4:28pm On Sep 27, 2010|
Baba Pastor, for Owonrin meji, I only have that one verse I am willing share. How was your weekend? I look forward to when we can finish the 16 Olodu.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 6:05pm On Sep 27, 2010|
Good day sir. Please can you make more of an exposition of Owonrin Meji. For instance what kind of Ire would you predict from it. If you were divining and it came out with Ire Aiku (long life) for instance what would you tell you client?
I don't think that there is any need to rush through the 16 olodus. This is a discussion forum, we are not compiling an encyclopedia. Let other people come and join in and discuss and react to the thread post by post. This thread has been going for a few years now. Suuru ni baba Iwa. Patience is the father of good character.
I would be interested in seeing some contributions to the other threads in this forum. I wonder what your perspective is on pentecostal christianity/ Grail message/ Catholicism/ Atheism etc. I'm just curious.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by AwoOnifade(m): 7:20pm On Sep 27, 2010|
O baba pastor, thank you for your response as well as your interest in seeing my perspective on other issues. The truth is, I joined NL just for this thread as I saw it was a while that you expressed your desire to reach Ofun Meji and it seemed either you didn't have time or was a little disheartened being the major contributor for the thread. So i decided to help you add to this thread, and encounter a few friends on this forum that I could move with. Thats the main reason why i joined NL.
I will get back to you with some more things for Owonrin Meji.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 10:03am On Sep 28, 2010|
I find that Owonrin is usually referring to a group and an individuals situation within a group setting. The effect of the group is usually of detrimental effect to the individual. This odu talks about epidemic diseases. Diseases that afflict the whole community. It could also refer to bad company or being amongst people that are not well disposed towards you. The group/community situation may not be physical. It could also be spiritual. There is mention of the Egbe Orun, or Egberun. These are often translated heavenly mates.
The client might be sickly and said to be hovering between this world and the next (a fairy). There is a possibility that your companions on the other side are trying to pull you back to be with them. This is obviously a threat to the life of the client. How to appease the Egbe is what the Babalawo concentrate on.
I'll post some ese odu later to back up what I'm saying. The ese awoonifade provided mentions the fingers which are all individuals grouped together in a group of 5. Ebo is made that benefit is reaped from their harmonious interaction.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 3:58pm On Sep 28, 2010|
This is from the Erindinlogun:
Mo yun koro
mo bo koro
a da fun Ologbo jigolo
ti nfi ojojumo rin da na aje
Orisa goloo ni mo yun
Orunmila goloo ni mo bo
Aje ki i wole, ko pa omo ete je
awon Iya mi ko ni fi wa s'eran pa je
Omo ni won yio ma fi wa se o.
I went forth stealthily
I returned stealthily
This was divined for the Cat (ologbo jigolo)
That goes about everyday in the company of the witches.
Orisa, stealthily is how I went
Orunmila, stealthily is how I returned
The Witches will not enter and kill her own children
Our mothers will not take us as meat for the eating
They will rather regard us as their children.
This ese talks about the Cat that hangs out in dangerous company. There is no other animal that can hang with the witches. Gooromafiyun is what the Cat says. That is onomatopoeic. That is the yoruba translation of the sound that the cat is making called Purring in english. Gooro Gooro. Meaning to be unnoticed, or stealthy. That is why the cat slinks around the way it does. When The Cat went for divination because he was worried about the kind of society in which he found himself, they told him to make the requisite ebo. He did so. When the witches saw him they pounced on him, but when they looked into his eyes they saw that he had strange eyes. 'This one has eyes like us, he is one of us, leave him'. That's is how they left the cat. He just mosey-ed on out of there in his catlike way purring, 'gooro mafiyun, gooro mafibo'.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by Gamine(f): 3:56pm On Oct 27, 2010|
I only just read the thread from the beginning, lots of things are beginning to make sense. . .
Hopefully, I will come back with something insightful. . . .
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by NegroNtns(m): 4:17pm On Oct 27, 2010|
Pastor and Awo,
. . . . just popped in to pay my respects to you guys. Ibaa o! Great wisdom, GOD Bless you guys!
I love Ifa in its entirety, its unfortunate that some people fail to see it as the true religion of mankind and the order for the cosmos. Those people that were raised with it are indeed fortunate. I wasn't that fortunate, I was raised on the Quran and Arabic and Torah. But since becoming adult I have educated myself on the Bible and and other books of divinity. Still I thank GOD for returning to me to the true path. The Torah, Bible and Quran have all led me back to the religion of Abraham and his fore fathers; IFA!
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 10:55am On Oct 31, 2010|
I'm waiting with bated breath. Have you looked into Jung much? I think myers-briggs is derived from his psychological profiling.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by Kilode1: 10:23pm On Dec 30, 2010|
Where is Pastor AIO and the other Awo?
You all need to keep updating this thread. . This is amazing!!
Like Pastor AIO said, I'm not an Ifa initiate or student, but I'm very interested in and curious about my Yoruba religion, culture and history.
I sincerely believe that retaining the spirit and some of the values inherent in our culture is vital for our development. Powerful empires rarely attain greatness on borrowed languages, cultures and philosophies, a glance at history or even the current G8 Nations will tell the story better.
Pastor AIO said
Irete meji is an odu that talks about hitting rock bottom and coming back up again. The theme of Death and resurrection is strong in this. It is also this same process that is parallel during initiation which is a death and rebirth too. Ifa is said to spend 3 days and 3 nights under the earth before it re-emerges during the initiation. This same process can be portrayed as orunmila falling into a hole, or a well. Other times it is portrayed as throwing the Ikin (ifa) away into the sea, or into a lake. After 3 days it is miraculously retrieved.
@ Pastor AIO, The possible parallels between the Ifa story you alluded to[the bold quotes] and the belief by some Christians that Jesus spent 3 days and 3 nights in hell/hades after his death and before his resurrection is mind boggling to me. Any more thoughts?
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" Matt12:40
Maybe these beliefs are all connected to the same religious "life-source" but in different ways . . .
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by Kilode1: 10:34pm On Dec 30, 2010|
Don't you think the spread and "success" of Christianity and the Abrahamic Religions is due to the proselytizing elements they have. I mean, -adherents are encouraged to spread the faith, sometimes at the pain of death.
I'm not aware that Ifa has that kind of injunction, at least not on a macro-political scale like we have with Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Your thoughts?
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by otitokoro1: 1:19pm On Jan 19, 2011|
Is Ifa actually a religion? Sometimes I see ignorance of people in things they do not have much information about. Poem recitation is not the same as knowledge about a deity. Ifa was more of a statistic because it is means through which the yorubas decide and inquire about things. The science of ifa is to place things on Probability and when the highest part becomes the order of the day, the diviner goes with the best. Ifa even though was a means of inquiries from gods still may not be reliable.
So my concern is when people come out to begin to make a serious issue out of things like this. That being as it may, Jesus Christ was different from any other gods not because it was brought by the white men but because every religion acknowledge the fact about His role on this earth.
I will urge us to keep sentiment apart and follow the truth.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by bouleblch: 11:00pm On Jan 20, 2011|
greetings to all members of this forum,
i'm a newcomer, and i try my best to write in english, because i use to speak french.
i'm very happy discovering this forum and this topic.
i think that all africans must start by knowing and mastering there tradition before anything else.
without that, it's useless to talk about development.
after that, i'll be gratefull if somebody here can give me a clear vision on these odu : okanran-otura and otura-irosun
thanks you and god bless you.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by okooyinbo(m): 8:08pm On Jan 21, 2011|
Idinrete, o wu mi lori pupo! Mo ti pe lori erupe aiye yi die, sugbon, ohun ti o ko s'oke yi fi imo kun imo mi loni. Ifa a jeki o ye emi tire, Eledumare a jeki o ye emi tire ati gbogbo awon oninu're gbogbo. Ase! O se pupo.
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by lilshort: 11:58pm On Jan 21, 2011|
Aboru Aboye to all the Oluwo's here,Sir can you pls give me some details about this Odu-Ifa "OGBE-ATE'' ? Ifa Agbe wa oooo
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by Kilode1: 3:46pm On Jan 24, 2011|
Good deep stuff. O ku laakaye. . .
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by UyiIredia(m): 6:04pm On Jan 24, 2011|
lol >>> i miss 'em stories of Orunmila, Esu and co
|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by bouleblch: 10:42pm On Feb 07, 2011|
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|Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 11:11am On Feb 15, 2011|
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